One of the true “side effects” of Obamacare

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She's a communist LARPer. Runs into the streets to shout in front of the camera then runs back to her mansion. Nothing done, emotions high in her low IQ voter base, mission accomplished.
and something real or don't post.

the trumpian tropes are meaningless, inaccurate, and detract from your argument
 
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and BTW, obamacare is wildly successful and wildly popular.

i dont like it myself, but the facts dont lie
 
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Successful? Seriously? Not according to anyone I know, but I suppose it just depends on what you mean by success.
 
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Successful? Seriously? Not according to anyone I know, but I suppose it just depends on what you mean by success.

i guess you must know a lot of rich white dudes then.

again, i dont like the law.

but america does. by a HUGE margin.

here is why it is successful

 
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and BTW, obamacare is wildly successful and wildly popular.

i dont like it myself, but the facts dont lie

Nope and nope


Elizabeth Warren disagrees with you


The LA times is US Pravda comrade

WSJ is more toward the center.
 
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and BTW, obamacare is wildly successful and wildly popular.

i dont like it myself, but the facts dont lie

Obamacare is such a policy failure that even Bernie Sanders wants to replace it. Let that sink it.


And I forecasted this as early as 2017, so Elizabeth Warren is late to the party.

 
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i guess you must know a lot of rich white dudes then.

again, i dont like the law.

but america does. by a HUGE margin.

here is why it is successful

A 7 year old article from the LA times? I guess I'm convinced.
 
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what color is the sky in your world?

yes, of course WE all hate it. you can give me a million reasons why you dont like it.

america does not

 
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The law that single handedly destroyed the American healthcare system, Physician private practices, the American dream, your health, and instead fueled the rise of healthcare conglomerates.
 
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yet seth meyers likes obamacare.
The law that single handedly destroyed the American healthcare system, Physician private practices, the American dream, your health, and instead fueled the rise of healthcare conglomerates.
rose colored glasses.

healthcare conglomerates were already huge. obamacare did cost money but that goes without saying - covering lower middle class individuals who cant pay for their healthcare was always going to cost money.

from KFF, that ssdoc posted.

obamacare popularity 1.GIF

60% favorability amongst Americans.
 
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The KFF poll claims people like the improved access to care. That’s hard to believe from what I see on the daily. I’d like to know if the average person could connect the dots between passage of the ACA and the [negative] change of the healthcare system. I doubt it, because the media hasn’t done it for them and offered no critical analysis other than “Republicans hate it”.
 
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the people that i have with obamacare are generally frustrated by the costs but are overwhelming appreciative that they can actually see a doctor.
 
the people that i have with obamacare are generally frustrated by the costs but are overwhelming appreciative that they can actually see a doctor.
Let me rephrase this. “The people that I have with Obamacare are generally frustrated by the costs but are overwhelmingly appreciative that they can actually see a nurse practitioner.”
 
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I'm an "injector" lmao that is the new "it" term on social media
 
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you are very predictable.

if you do remember, trump had the white house and both senate and house (i think), but he couldnt get anything changed with the ACA. the GOP has neither the skill now will to enact any forward-thinking or innovative policy changes. lowering taxes and just letting the market handle everything can only take you so far. sometimes you actually have to DO something.

you can b$tch all you want, but obamacare isnt going anywhere.
 
Republicans had control of the white house, senate and house of representatives from 2016 to 2018
 
I personally don't care what anyone calls me as long as they pay their bills.
 
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Let me rephrase this. “The people that I have with Obamacare are generally frustrated by the costs but are overwhelmingly appreciative that they can actually see a nurse practitioner.”
they are happy they can see anybody

we are still waiting for trumps healthcare plan that he was going to release "in 2 weeks"...

that he announced on July 19, 2020.
 
Republicans had control of the white house, senate and house of representatives from 2016 to 2018

I agree that those two years were wasted in many ways.
However, unless “control of the senate” was 60 senators, then GOP didn’t really have control of the senate.
 
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I agree that those two years were wasted in many ways.
However, unless “control of the senate” was 60 senators, then GOP didn’t really have control of the senate.
I think it's impossible to repeal socialist policy, no matter how disastrous it is.

I think Obamacare helped a small subset of the population and hurt everyone else.

It would be amusing, if it weren't so tragic, that Democrats are clutching their pearls now about "bad insurance companies", that they enshrined into their socialist agenda are now even more empowered to fleece the American healthcare system.

If it's so successful, Democrats would be running on it. Ads on TV for Democrat politicians would proudly announce their winning message, "I helped bring you Obamacare!!!" Why aren't we seeing that?
 
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I think it's impossible to repeal socialist policy, no matter how disastrous it is.

I think Obamacare helped a small subset of the population and hurt everyone else.

It would be amusing, if it weren't so tragic, that Democrats are clutching their pearls now about "bad insurance companies", that they enshrined into their socialist agenda are now even more empowered to fleece the American healthcare system.

If it's so successful, Democrats would be running on it. Ads on TV for Democrat politicians would proudly announce their winning message, "I helped bring you Obamacare!!!" Why aren't we seeing that?
this was 3 days ago.

maybe you should expand your media selections?


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In the meeting, Biden referenced a Truth Social post from Trump in which the former president revived calls to repeal and replace the Affordable Care Act if he wins the 2024 election.


“My predecessor, once again — God love him — called for cuts that could rip away health insurance for tens of millions of Americans on Medicaid,” Biden said. “They don’t give up. But guess what, we won’t let these things happen.”
 
I doubt Biden could reference anything. I bet CBS/NBC/ABC wrote it up for him and he read it.
 
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this was 3 days ago.

maybe you should expand your media selections?


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In the meeting, Biden referenced a Truth Social post from Trump in which the former president revived calls to repeal and replace the Affordable Care Act if he wins the 2024 election.


“My predecessor, once again — God love him — called for cuts that could rip away health insurance for tens of millions of Americans on Medicaid,” Biden said. “They don’t give up. But guess what, we won’t let these things happen.”
You're really proving my point here. Biden doesn't want to say the toxic word, "Obamacare". And he LOVES insurance companies.

I support Medicaid by the way.
 
You're really proving my point here. Biden doesn't want to say the toxic word, "Obamacare". And he LOVES insurance companies.

I support Medicaid by the way.
block grants to states, correct?

i hate being in the position to defend the ACA, but it is indeed popular. and your thought about entitlements is true. hard to take back once given.
 
block grants to states, correct?

i hate being in the position to defend the ACA, but it is indeed popular. and your thought about entitlements is true. hard to take back once given.
Yeah, something where the fed matches the state with block grants is ok with me. The state needs to be on the hook for the spending because they have to balance their budgets, unlike the fed.

I've said many times on here that I support a fully socialized healthcare system if it completely unleashes and takes its hands off an entirely separate free market healthcare system. Insurance companies have zero place in either system. The socialized system would be a sort of VA/Medicaid/Medicare hybrid, with ubiquitous, government-run low cost clinics and hospitals.

As for the free market, there's no HIPAA, no EMTALA, no ICD-10 or CPT... It should run just like any other business environment. The safety net is the socialized system.
 
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I think it's impossible to repeal socialist policy, no matter how disastrous it is.

I think Obamacare helped a small subset of the population and hurt everyone else.

It would be amusing, if it weren't so tragic, that Democrats are clutching their pearls now about "bad insurance companies", that they enshrined into their socialist agenda are now even more empowered to fleece the American healthcare system.

If it's so successful, Democrats would be running on it. Ads on TV for Democrat politicians would proudly announce their winning message, "I helped bring you Obamacare!!!" Why aren't we seeing that?
i guess 40,000,000 is "a small subset of population". 12% of US population... and about 15% of the US population that is not medicare eligible...


you arent seeing the latter because it is so enshrined in the public mind as being good for many people.

fyi many repubs are concerned about attacking obamacare:
 
I've said many times on here that I support a fully socialized healthcare system if it completely unleashes and takes its hands off an entirely separate free market healthcare system. Insurance companies have zero place in either system. The socialized system would be a sort of VA/Medicaid/Medicare hybrid, with ubiquitous, government-run low cost clinics and hospitals.

As for the free market, there's no HIPAA, no EMTALA, no ICD-10 or CPT... It should run just like any other business environment. The safety net is the socialized system.
i agree with this..

universal baseline healthcare to provide well care, preventative medicine, ER and hospital medicine, palliative end of life care.

some baseline coverage for issues that affect quality of life. ie joint injections and epidurals.

no insurance involved. no entities double dipping and pushing up healthcare costs.

self funded care for the rich. and gofundmes.
 
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i agree with this..

universal baseline healthcare to provide well care, preventative medicine, ER and hospital medicine, palliative end of life care.

some baseline coverage for issues that affect quality of life. ie joint injections and epidurals.

no insurance involved. no entities double dipping and pushing up healthcare costs.

self funded care for the rich. and gofundmes.
I despise the word "coverage" but otherwise agree. Coverage is what insurance companies sell people. Healthcare is what we're offering.

edit: just want to point out liberals typically oppose this concept because it sets up "tiers of healthcare". I guess they currently have the "Platinum" Obamacare plan...
 
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and BTW, obamacare is wildly successful and wildly popular.

i dont like it myself, but the facts dont lie
wildly successful and wildly popular?!?! you crack me up. Just when I thought you were getting wise you say something ridiculous.

My sister and brother in law had to go on it temporarily and get their two young children on it. I heard first hand how horrific the entire process was. Getting signed up was a bureaucratic, red tape nightmare. Imagine trying to talk with someone on the phone from the DMV to get your health insurance. And then imagine being directed to a website that actually didn't work. It literally took them days, not hours, on the phone and on the website to set everything up. Complete nightmare. Then once they got coverage it was the bare bones high deductible crap that doesn't cover anything. Not a bad safety net I suppose, but hardly anything you personally would be satisfied with.... wildly popular my ass
 
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wildly successful and wildly popular?!?! you crack me up. Just when I thought you were getting wise you say something ridiculous.

My sister and brother in law had to go on it temporarily and get their two young children on it. I heard first hand how horrific the entire process was. Getting signed up was a bureaucratic, red tape nightmare. Imagine trying to talk with someone on the phone from the DMV to get your health insurance. And then imagine being directed to a website that actually didn't work. It literally took them days, not hours, on the phone and on the website to set everything up. Complete nightmare. Then once they got coverage it was the bare bones high deductible crap that doesn't cover anything. Not a bad safety net I suppose, but hardly anything you personally would be satisfied with.... wildly popular my ass

its not "good insurance". but its insurance.

and they CHOSE the high deductible crappy plan.

all the ACA does is basically ensure that you can get coverage and provides mimimum standards

and you are totally missing the point. i am not arguing for the quality of obamacare. all i am saying is that it is popular. an anecdote here and there means nothing.

what would have happened with your family before the ACA went into effect? would they have had coverage at alll?

also, what in the world made you think that I am wise?
 
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Know several people on Obamacare and never heard about such issues. Some folks use agent who does all the paperwork for you (and doesn’t cost you anything extra).

People who especially are self-employed love it more than they hate it.
 
its not "good insurance". but its insurance.

and they CHOSE the high deductible crappy plan.

all the ACA does is basically ensure that you can get coverage and provides mimimum standards

and you are totally missing the point. i am not arguing for the quality of obamacare. all i am saying is that it is popular. an anecdote here and there means nothing.

what would have happened with your family before the ACA went into effect? would they have had coverage at alll?

also, what in the world made you think that I am wise?
All government handouts are popular. All the freebies the dems throw out there are popular. That’s why they keep getting re-elected. Buying their voting base. They ain’t dumb. Unfortunately it just increases our tax burden

And I know you’re getting wiser bc I’m watching your posts closely 😉 i predict in 10 years after our country has been completely destroyed by liberal policies you’ll flip Republican
 
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Obamacare unlikely to be repealed

The most offensive part of the law - the mandate where democrats demanded every American spend their hard-earned money to buy insurance from their crooked insurance buddies - was repealed. That was my main issue with the law.

Other than that, it's is just another unfunded entitlement that shifts money around. People got kicked off the plans they liked and kicked away from docs they liked so they were forced to buy obamacare policies. And now they're covered under the ACA. So yeah, huge turnout!

I'm still waiting to hear a democrat say how great our American healthcare system is now, after they forced this thing down our throats.
 
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