Pediatric Neurocrtical care.....

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I am a MS 3 and interested in pediatric neurocritical but wondering what would be the best path to this goal:

1) peds Neuro + peds neuro critical care fellowship
2) picu + peds neuro critical care fellowship
3)peds neuro + picu

Any input would be greatly appreciated

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Pediatric neurocritical care is complicated. The safest bet is to get fully PICU trained so you can work. There are very few Pediatric NeuroICUs out there, and very few places to train specifically in pediatric NCC. Some pediatricians have done adult neuroICU fellowships, but they can't be boarded in pediatric critical care and can't work in general PICUs, so it's challenging for them to get to do what they want. Lurie Children's in Chicago has a fellowship, and expects people trained in Peds neuro or CCM prior to coming in.
 
I'll defer to typhoonegator here but I agree. From what I've heard it would be best to complete a PICU fellowship so that you can actually see the patient population you want to when you are done.
 
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Pediatric neuro critical care is currently a 'hot' topic, and places are starting to want people who do it, however there are very few dedicated pediatric neuro ICUs (meaning that they only take care of neuro cases). Instead, you become the sub subspecialist in neurocritical care, you're the liason with the neurosurgeons and neurologists, and together set the protocols for TBI, DI, status epilepticus. It's of course expected that you would be doing research of some sort within this scope as well. The best route is go peds-->critical care-->neurocritical care (1 more year after critical care). This will give you the ability and standing to work within the unit and do procedures, but you won't be doing outpatient stuff. If you want to work in a PICU and take care of a ventilator and multisystem organ failure (which happens even if the primary insult is neurological), then this is the way to go.

Doing peds neuro with further training/interest in neurocritical care is still valuable, but you will primarily be a neurologist. This puts you in the consultant role rather than primarily managing patients. Our neurologist who does critical care is extremely helpful. He interprets EEGs and MRIs and works with us closely for patients in resistant status epilepticus. But he doesn't touch the vents or get into the other organ systems all that much.
 
PICU followed by a neurocritical care fellowship is the highest yield way to go given the current training climate and culture-- hard pressed to find a PICU who will allow a non-PICU fellowship trained physician care for children in the PICU independently as an attending. Basically what others are saying here.
 
What about someone who does peds neurology + pediatric critical care......would allow more latitude in a critical care setting?
 
Maybe, but you'd be more PICU skilled than peds neuroICU skilled. However, I believe peds NCC fellowships take people who have already done PICU fellowships (like the Chicago Children's program).
 
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