Prolonged sore throat from LMA

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Have any of you guys heard of this?

I recently recieved a call from the surgery center. Apparantly a patient that recieved an anesthetic for a minor foot procedure is complaining of a sore throat that has lasted almost two weeks with difficulty swallowing. I don't know if it has been continuous for the two weeks, or it has gotten worse, it was just a message left. I reviewed the chart and saw that it was a brief hour long procedure with a 4 LMA placed easily in a tall guy. No intubation. Is it possible this is from the LMA? It doesn't make sense to me...

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I personally had surgery for a kidney stone about 8 months ago. I had an LMA placed and afterwards developed an ulcer on my uvula along with a bad case of uvulitis that lasted ablout two weeks. It hurt really really bad to swallow or even talk. I spoke to the attending that did the anesthesia and she said there was no difficulty in placing the LMA and stated that she has never seen this happen before. I spoke to one of the ENT guys at our institution and he said that he's seen it a couple of times. He usually prescribes a short course of steroids to help with the inflammation. I hope this helps.
 
Our ENT guys have told us they have seen a couple of pharyngeal nerve palsies (sorry; can't come up with the specific nerves) that lead to dysphagia that were thought to be the result of an LMA.
 
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Interesting.....

Good to know. I never had this happen in residency and my three years in private practice. And have placed thousands of LMA's. But the symptoms of uveitis that you describe sound like what the patient is complaining of. And it was also in an LMA that was placed easily with good lubrication. I had instructed the patient to go to primary care to have his mouth examined.
 
I had an LMA placed and afterwards developed an ulcer on my uvula along with a bad case of uvulitis that lasted ablout two weeks. It hurt really really bad to swallow or even talk. I spoke to the attending that did the anesthesia and she said there was no difficulty in placing the LMA and stated that she has never seen this happen before.

I have. Happened to a patient of mine that I placed an LMA in a couple of years ago.

I went and saw the patient POD#4 because he was complaining of a sore throat. The service asked me to come see him. I looked inside his oropharynx and saw a large, ulcerated looking line in the soft palate extending to the uvula. I reassured him that he'd be okay, and overall he didn't seem too upset about it... just wanted me to know.

It took me a day or so before I realized what had happened.

I used to have the tip of the LMA completely deflated when I inserted. As such, I would place my fingertip completely at the end of it when I put it in, inserting my index finger all the way down - at the tip - to get it seated. Apparently, in this guy, I scratched his soft palate with my fingernail as I inserted the damn thing.

Now, what I routinely do is leave a small amount of air - just enough to keep the tip inflated - and keep my index finger away from the tip. I try to "seat" the LMA by adjusting it proximally instead of "going deep" with my finger. I then inflated and feel the adjustment by palpating their throat externally.

So far, this has worked great and I've not yet again had such a problem.

-copro
 
have seen a several times.

It's not necessarily traumatic placement ...could be pressure related ischemia of the mucosal.
 
Trauma from the Yankauer suction?

Nah. Probably not. This would happen a lot, if so. (Unless you are using the small, sharp "pediatric" one... a.k.a. the retropharyngeal biopsying device.)

-copro
 
I put one in myself just for kicks. My throat hurt for a week. I wonder why we don't get more complaints.
 
I put one in myself just for kicks. My throat hurt for a week. I wonder why we don't get more complaints.


How the hell did you manage that???? That's something i would pay money to watch...:D
 
I have. Happened to a patient of mine that I placed an LMA in a couple of years ago.

I went and saw the patient POD#4 because he was complaining of a sore throat. The service asked me to come see him. I looked inside his oropharynx and saw a large, ulcerated looking line in the soft palate extending to the uvula. I reassured him that he'd be okay, and overall he didn't seem too upset about it... just wanted me to know.

It took me a day or so before I realized what had happened.

I used to have the tip of the LMA completely deflated when I inserted. As such, I would place my fingertip completely at the end of it when I put it in, inserting my index finger all the way down - at the tip - to get it seated. Apparently, in this guy, I scratched his soft palate with my fingernail as I inserted the damn thing.

Now, what I routinely do is leave a small amount of air - just enough to keep the tip inflated - and keep my index finger away from the tip. I try to "seat" the LMA by adjusting it proximally instead of "going deep" with my finger. I then inflated and feel the adjustment by palpating their throat externally.

So far, this has worked great and I've not yet again had such a problem.

-copro

1) You wear gloves, right?
2) You trim your nails, right?

Seriously, though, a few at my institution leave the cuff at atmospheric pressure for insertion. They say it helps prevent folding of the cuff. Unrelated to your problem as listed above, but just another thought.
 
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I put one in myself just for kicks. My throat hurt for a week. I wonder why we don't get more complaints.

In July when I was on anesthesiology, a urologist told us in front of the patient that he wanted her to get an LMA instead of a tube, because the patient was worried about getting a sore throat. We did it just to not cause a scene, but she still woke up with a sore throat. Then we laughed and laughed...
 
Our ENT guys have told us they have seen a couple of pharyngeal nerve palsies (sorry; can't come up with the specific nerves) that lead to dysphagia that were thought to be the result of an LMA.

Had a 50 something pt. last year for shoulder repair in beach chair position that was tubed uneventfully. Complained of sore throat in PACU. Seen by attending but nothing focal noted. 2 days later called surgeon complaining of difficulty swallowing and tongue deviation. Seen at outside ER and sent to see ENT. Was told she had hypoglossal nerve (CN XII) palsy. Resolved in 10 days with no treatment. In further literature search found a couple of case reports of this from ETT and several from LMA placement (unilateral and bilateral). Most resolved with or without treatment (steroids).

TM
 
Had a 50 something pt. last year for shoulder repair in beach chair position that was tubed uneventfully. Complained of sore throat in PACU. Seen by attending but nothing focal noted. 2 days later called surgeon complaining of difficulty swallowing and tongue deviation. Seen at outside ER and sent to see ENT. Was told she had hypoglossal nerve (CN XII) palsy. Resolved in 10 days with no treatment. In further literature search found a couple of case reports of this from ETT and several from LMA placement (unilateral and bilateral). Most resolved with or without treatment (steroids).

TM
wow..that's very weird. when i was an intern i had a pt that had the same exact thing!! same situation! beach chair, shoulder case. ETT
 
Even though the little picture in the LMA package tells you to stick your finger in when you place the LMA, I never do. Just use a tongue blade to hold down the tongue, and slip in the LMA partially inflated. Lubed and gently. Which sounds pretty erotic - but I'm just a little surprised that this guy developed almost two weeks of a sever sore throat from an LMA placed easily and left in for only an hour. I also don't inflate them very much as long as they are spontaneously ventilating.
 
This is anecdotal as all get-out, but it seem like I have seen 3 to 1 blood tinged LMAs to ETTs over the past few years.

IMHO LMAs are a great addition to our profession. But when in doubt, I lean toward a real airway.
 
I used to have the tip of the LMA completely deflated when I inserted. As such, I would place my fingertip completely at the end of it when I put it in, inserting my index finger all the way down - at the tip - to get it seated. Apparently, in this guy, I scratched his soft palate with my fingernail as I inserted the damn thing.

Now, what I routinely do is leave a small amount of air - just enough to keep the tip inflated - and keep my index finger away from the tip. I try to "seat" the LMA by adjusting it proximally instead of "going deep" with my finger. I then inflated and feel the adjustment by palpating their throat externally.

So far, this has worked great and I've not yet again had such a problem.

-copro

I'm curious to see how many folks deflate the LMA before insertion. As a CA-1, I tend to just do what my attending tells me but I definitely prefer keeping inflated and just using a tongue blade as opposed to sticking my fingers all the way in with a deflated LMA. I seem to have much more success as well with keeping it inflated.
 
While most place are using disposable LMA, if this was a reusable LMA you need to check if it was cleaned properly. I have heard that LMA when cleaned improperly, like soaking in cidex solutions will cause prolonged sore throat due to the cidex leaching out from the LMA into the patient. :eek:
 
dude that's NOTHING....look at this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAskavry0jw

I cant believe he bags himself!!

Medicare announced its latest cost-saving initiative today. Instead of buying more equipment to deal with rising numbers of aged gomers inhabiting MICU's, hospitals will be encouraged to initiate "ventilator-share programs", in which patients are required to bag themselves 12 hours a day, thus halving the number of machines needed for daily operations. Policy analysts cited this as a "brilliant advance" which will, among other things, reduce the number of so-called Ventilator-Associated Pneumonia, not that VAP is relevant, Medicare having decided not to reimburse for VAP in any case.
 
I only joined this forum to provide you all with some patient feedback so I won't be joining your discussions but I hope this feedback is helpful to you all.

I am a 67 year old 5' 4" 150 Lb Retired Electrical Engineer.

I had bilateral total knee on July 19, 2016 it has been over three months and I have a horse sounding voice ever since the surgery and an increasing soar throat. The surgery lasted a little over 3 hours.

I was told by the surgeon ( very experienced ) that an LMA was used. I have an appointment with an E.N.T. in a few days. I just found this web site today in my search for what may be causing my discomfort. I also found this article that may indicate what caused the problem and I pass it on to you for your benefit.

https://airwayjedi.com/tag/complications-lma/
 
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I only joined this forum to provide you all with some patient feedback so I won't be joining your discussions but I hope this feedback is helpful to you all.

I am a 67 year old 5' 4" 150 Lb Retired Electrical Engineer.

I had bilateral total knee on July 19, 2016 it has been over three months and I have a horse sounding voice ever since the surgery and an increasing soar throat. The surgery lasted a little over 3 hours.

I was told by the surgeon ( very experienced ) that an LMA was used. I have an appointment with an E.N.T. in a few days. I just found this web site today in my search for what may be causing my discomfort. I also found this article that may indicate what caused the problem and I pass it on to you for your benefit.

https://airwayjedi.com/tag/complications-lma/
Experienced anesthesiologists already know of the dangers of overinflation (or bad LMA seating), but thank you. Unfortunately, medicine is not engineering, i.e. not an exact science, and so is LMA placement. Good luck to you. I haven't heard of any irreversible damage after LMAs... yet.

By the way, your surgeon might be experienced in surgery, but there is a reason anesthesiology is a 3-year residency (completely unrelated to surgery) after one year of internship after medical school, with a difficult board certification process. Grey's Anatomy is fiction, a lot of fiction, and most surgeons don't know a lot about what we do and why. So please take everything you hear about your anesthesia with a grain of salt.
 
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I only joined this forum to provide you all with some patient feedback so I won't be joining your discussions but I hope this feedback is helpful to you all.

I am a 67 year old 5' 4" 150 Lb Retired Electrical Engineer.

I had bilateral total knee on July 19, 2016 it has been over three months and I have a horse sounding voice ever since the surgery and an increasing soar throat. The surgery lasted a little over 3 hours.

I was told by the surgeon ( very experienced ) that an LMA was used. I have an appointment with an E.N.T. in a few days. I just found this web site today in my search for what may be causing my discomfort. I also found this article that may indicate what caused the problem and I pass it on to you for your benefit.

https://airwayjedi.com/tag/complications-lma/

Any relation to sarah jessica parker?
 
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By the way, your surgeon might be experienced in surgery, but there is a reason anesthesiology is a 3-year residency (completely unrelated to surgery) after one year of internship after medical school, with a difficult board certification process. Grey's Anatomy is fiction, a lot of fiction, and most surgeons don't know a lot about what we do and why. So please take everything you hear about your anesthesia with a grain of salt.

Absolutely and my surgeon whose has been seeing me some 30 years about my knees and other issues is aware as I am how specific training needs to be for a particular discipline. And LMA was indeed used, it is in the report by the anesthetist. I mentioned my surgeon because he is the one I was meeting with and asked him what was used in my throat. I had met with an anesthetist prior to surgery and the one that actually installed the device a day after the surgery but at that point it was too early to detect the issue. I previously had 6 surgeries at the same facility with the same anesthetist with no problems but this surgery was with a different anesthetist.

Just to be clear, I am not blaming anyone or looking for a law suit. I don't live my life that way. I just want to know what caused it and get it fixed because after this long my mind was getting concerned it was something far worse. I have not heard of anyone having this problem before and even yet not lasting this long.

So I posted here to see if any of you have had a patient that has experienced this for so long.

Thank you!
 
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Absolutely and my surgeon whose has been seeing me some 30 years about my knees and other issues is aware as I am how specific training needs to be for a particular discipline. And LMA was indeed used, it is in the report by the anesthetist. I mentioned my surgeon because he is the one I was meeting with and asked him what was used in my throat. I had met with an anesthetist prior to surgery and the one that actually installed the device a day after the surgery but at that point it was too early to detect the issue. I previously had 6 surgeries at the same facility with the same anesthetist with no problems but this surgery was with a different anesthetist.

Just to be clear, I am not blaming anyone or looking for a law suit. I don't live my life that way. I just want to know what caused it and get it fixed because after this long my mind was getting concerned it was something far worse. I have not heard of anyone having this problem before and even yet not lasting this long.

So I posted here to see if any of you have had a patient that has experienced this for so long.

Thank you!
I have seen occasional bad sore throats for days, but nothing comparable. Definitely no prolonged hoarseness from LMAs, which suggests a nerve injury or a laryngeal cartilage dislocation, or possibly other things. You do need to see an ENT doc (and not rely on advice from strangers on forums or Dr. Google). Even if some of us may have seen this before, you need to be examined by a specialist, as planned, and do what s/he recommends.

Some articles for my colleagues here:
http://anesthesiology.pubs.asahq.org/article.aspx?articleid=2027840
http://journals.lww.com/anesthesia-...oid_Cartilage_Dislocation_Caused_by_a.37.aspx

Don't be surprised if this thread gets closed. It's forum policy. I hope you'll get better soon. Thank you for educating us.
 
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Don't be surprised if this thread gets closed. It's forum policy. I hope you'll get better soon. Thank you for educating us.

Educating you? Never ever, I came here to learn but of course never to get doctored, and certainly not by dr. google as you say. If you wish I will provide an update as to the diagnosis otherwise you most likely won't see me here again.

Thank you very much!
 
Educating you? Never ever, I came here to learn but of course never to get doctored, and certainly not by dr. google as you say. If you wish I will provide an update as to the diagnosis otherwise you most likely won't see me here again.

Thank you very much!
I personally would be interested to hear the diagnosis and prognosis.

I wasn't being sarcastic about the educating part. I sincerely appreciate your posts. Some complications are so rare that most of us don't ever see them, or learn about them. By posting here, you have reminded us that LMAs (although wonderful devices) can cause serious problems, and I am sure people will take notice.
 
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I was actually more offended by this comment "In July when I was on anesthesiology, a urologist told us in front of the patient that he wanted her to get an LMA instead of a tube, because the patient was worried about getting a sore throat."

Did they then inform the urologist on what type of stent to use...? I mean if everyone's so worried about the sore throat why not just mask the patient... :rolleyes:
Love it when surgeons tell us how to do our jobs.
 
Absolutely and my surgeon whose has been seeing me some 30 years about my knees and other issues is aware as I am how specific training needs to be for a particular discipline. And LMA was indeed used, it is in the report by the anesthetist. I mentioned my surgeon because he is the one I was meeting with and asked him what was used in my throat. I had met with an anesthetist prior to surgery and the one that actually installed the device a day after the surgery but at that point it was too early to detect the issue. I previously had 6 surgeries at the same facility with the same anesthetist with no problems but this surgery was with a different anesthetist.

Just to be clear, I am not blaming anyone or looking for a law suit. I don't live my life that way. I just want to know what caused it and get it fixed because after this long my mind was getting concerned it was something far worse. I have not heard of anyone having this problem before and even yet not lasting this long.

So I posted here to see if any of you have had a patient that has experienced this for so long.

Thank you!
sorry to hear about the sore throat, but it's not from the LMA. The symptoms you're having 3 months after the surgery are not attributable to an LMA. There's a reason there probably isn't even a single case report describing a situation like yours 3 months out. It's bc it's not because of an LMA but from something else. And without knowing all the details, we can't tell you exactly what the cause is. And it's good to hear you're not looking for a lawsuit because it would be a huge waste of time and money for yourself.
 
sorry to hear about the sore throat, but it's not from the LMA. The symptoms you're having 3 months after the surgery are not attributable to an LMA. There's a reason there probably isn't even a single case report describing a situation like yours 3 months out. It's bc it's not because of an LMA but from something else. And without knowing all the details, we can't tell you exactly what the cause is. And it's good to hear you're not looking for a lawsuit because it would be a huge waste of time and money for yourself.

Well if he didn't have a sore throat prior to surgery and then after surgery he has had a sore throat for the past 3 months then what would it be attributable to? Seems odd that he was asymptomatic prior to surgery, the anesthesiologist inserted a large object in the back of his throat, and ever since then has had a sore throat. Not sure what else it could be related to.
 
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Anyone use a cuff inflator with a manometer? I think its good practice to do so for LMAs and ETTs. It doesn't seem to be very common but I have been using one for a few years. Don't see any reason not to
 
Anyone use a cuff inflator with a manometer? I think its good practice to do so for LMAs and ETTs. It doesn't seem to be very common but I have been using one for a few years. Don't see any reason not to
There is. Have you seen how much one of those manometer costs? It's $200+, ridiculous.

Tell me where I can buy one cheap.
 
Anyone use a cuff inflator with a manometer? I think its good practice to do so for LMAs and ETTs. It doesn't seem to be very common but I have been using one for a few years. Don't see any reason not to
I don't see a need or the point for short OR cases. Just inflate the cuff to no leak and be done wth it.

93% of the time when I pick up a patient from the ICU with a cuff inflated by RT there's a leak and I need to add air to get a seal.

A couple weeks ago I picked up a trach'd patient and on the elevator down to the OR I noticed tube feeds bubbling up out of the mouth with every ambu bag breath.

For every case of pressure ischemia & tracheal stenosis avoided with that device, I bet there are a bunch of avoidable aspiration events. I'm not a fan.
 
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There is. Have you seen how much one of those manometer costs? It's $200+, ridiculous.

Tell me where I can buy one cheap.

The one made by Ambu is $133. Not cheap by any means. But also not 200+ like some of the other ones
 
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I don't see a need or the point for short OR cases. Just inflate the cuff to no leak and be done wth it.

93% of the time when I pick up a patient from the ICU with a cuff inflated by RT there's a leak and I need to add air to get a seal.

A couple weeks ago I picked up a trach'd patient and on the elevator down to the OR I noticed tube feeds bubbling up out of the mouth with every ambu bag breath.

For every case of pressure ischemia & tracheal stenosis avoided with that device, I bet there are a bunch of avoidable aspiration events. I'm not a fan.

But the point of the device is to avoid under pressure as well as over pressure. It just takes the guesswork out of the equation.
 
But the point of the device is to avoid under pressure as well as over pressure. It just takes the guesswork out of the equation.

I think you overestimate how hard it is to inflate a cuff to a sufficient but not excessive level.

We need this device the way ophthalmologists need this invention to help administer eye drops ....

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... and shoes so I can walk around barefoot without anyone knowing.

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Damnit! I knew I should have filed the patent for those shoes when I had the chance!
 
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I think you overestimate how hard it is to inflate a cuff to a sufficient but not excessive level.

We need this device the way ophthalmologists need this invention to help administer eye drops ....

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... and shoes so I can walk around barefoot without anyone knowing.

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Yes its not rocket science thats for sure!

Bottom line is care needs to be taken with inflation of cuffs. I suspect that there is a tendency to overinflate (rather than under) to ensure a good seal. Probably not a big deal for a short case but potentially problematic for a longer one.

I wonder if a documented manometer reading could help from a medico-legal perspective? But my guess is that lawyers will always find a way around
 
I am indifferent to those studies. Well, not totally indifferent ... those guys used etomidate as their standard induction agent for all comers. If they're doing that, it makes me wonder what other foolish things they're doing. ;)

Also, as a general comment on most research that's done to measure procedural complications, the studies are done at academic institutions. You know who's performing those procedures? Newbies. At least 1/3 of the cuffs in that control group were surely filled by their equivalent of CA1 residents. SOP for a CA1 is to put a unit-dose (one 10 mL syringeful) into the cuff. I don't believe those studies findings are likely to be relevant to my own practice.

I don't overinflate ETT cuffs, and I bet the vast majority of attending anesthesiologists out there don't either.


Those manometers are an inferior tool to the anesthesia machine itself. If you're really worried about cuff pressure, just use the anesthesia machine to set cuff pressure at an acceptable circuit leak. That's a more rational approach than choosing a cuff pressure.
 
I am indifferent to those studies. Well, not totally indifferent ... those guys used etomidate as their standard induction agent for all comers. If they're doing that, it makes me wonder what other foolish things they're doing. ;)

Also, as a general comment on most research that's done to measure procedural complications, the studies are done at academic institutions. You know who's performing those procedures? Newbies. At least 1/3 of the cuffs in that control group were surely filled by their equivalent of CA1 residents. SOP for a CA1 is to put a unit-dose (one 10 mL syringeful) into the cuff. I don't believe those studies findings are likely to be relevant to my own practice.

I don't overinflate ETT cuffs, and I bet the vast majority of attending anesthesiologists out there don't either.


Those manometers are an inferior tool to the anesthesia machine itself. If you're really worried about cuff pressure, just use the anesthesia machine to set cuff pressure at an acceptable circuit leak. That's a more rational approach than choosing a cuff pressure.

How much do you put
 
I am indifferent to those studies. Well, not totally indifferent ... those guys used etomidate as their standard induction agent for all comers. If they're doing that, it makes me wonder what other foolish things they're doing. ;)

Also, as a general comment on most research that's done to measure procedural complications, the studies are done at academic institutions. You know who's performing those procedures? Newbies. At least 1/3 of the cuffs in that control group were surely filled by their equivalent of CA1 residents. SOP for a CA1 is to put a unit-dose (one 10 mL syringeful) into the cuff. I don't believe those studies findings are likely to be relevant to my own practice.

I don't overinflate ETT cuffs, and I bet the vast majority of attending anesthesiologists out there don't either.


Those manometers are an inferior tool to the anesthesia machine itself. If you're really worried about cuff pressure, just use the anesthesia machine to set cuff pressure at an acceptable circuit leak. That's a more rational approach than choosing a cuff pressure.

If its CA1s overinflating cuffs then its partly the attendings' fault for not teaching them. A manometer could be a good teaching tool to show how much volume is needed.

Anyways, I don't doubt that you and many others take great care in cuff inflation. Not everyone does. Ultimately its the end result that matters
 
WOW! This thread got busy.. I really appreciate the relevant comments to my issue. first may I politely reply to this..

Ezekiel2517 said:
sorry to hear about the sore throat, but it's not from the LMA. The symptoms you're having 3 months after the surgery are not attributable to an LMA. There's a reason there probably isn't even a single case report describing a situation like yours 3 months out. It's bc it's not because of an LMA but from something else.

Please accept this respectfully. I mean no disrespect.

Having worked as a trouble shooter of highly technical plant machinery and an electrical engineer, for some 40 years, Once I learned that I knew enough to know I did not know anything in the larger picture, I quit making statements like that.

Read this article , Notice= 9 Months before full recovery I have included an excerpt quoted below.
http://journals.lww.com/anesthesia-...oid_Cartilage_Dislocation_Caused_by_a.37.aspx


IARS said:
Case Report
A 57-year-old, 70-kg, 155-cm woman, ASA physical status I, underwent right total knee replacement under general anesthesia at another institution. Her airway was managed uneventfully with a LMA. While insertion was noted to be without difficulty on one attempt, the size of the LMA used was not recorded. The duration of the procedure was 50 min.

The patient noticed hoarseness immediately postoperatively and sought consultation 4 wk later. Examination at that time by fiberoptic laryngoscopy showed an anteromedial dislocation of the right arytenoid cartilage with a flaccid and bowed vocal cord.

Six weeks postoperatively, the patient returned to the operating room for reduction and chemical splinting of the right arytenoid cartilage. This was performed under general anesthesia using intravenous propofol for induction and maintenance supplemented with fentanyl and succinylcholine for muscle relaxation. The airway was managed with infraglottic jet ventilation. After arytenoid reduction a total of 7.5 U of botulinum toxin was injected into the right thyroarytenoid and lateral cricoarytenoid muscles. The patient's hoarseness resolved within 4 wk postoperatively, and she was symptom free 9 mo later with normal arytenoid position and mobility.
I just read, I know nothing about this.

Ezekiel2517 said:
There's a reason there probably isn't even a single case report describing a situation like yours 3 months out.

Really ??

You probably should read this also http://anesthesiology.pubs.asahq.org/article.aspx?articleid=2027840
The Journal of the American Society of Anesthesiologists said:
Case 2

A 54-yr-old woman, weighing 52 kg, underwent a dilatation and curettage and a breast biopsy. Preoperative assessment did not disclose any relevant medical history. After induction with 100 micro gram fentanyl and 3 mg [center dot] kg-1propofol, a fully deflated, size 3 LMA, lubricated with silicone spray, was easily inserted. The cuff was inflated with 30 ml air. Anesthesia was maintained with propofol, and the patient spontaneously breathed 60% N2O in oxygen. The procedure lasted 60 min. During recovery, the LMA was gently expelled by the patient. A few hours later, the patient complained of sore throat and dysphagia. The next day, hoarseness occurred. On the third day, the patient was aphonic and exhibited severe dysphagia, with laryngeal incompetence. A direct laryngoscopy showed an immobilized right vocal cord. The electromyogram confirmed a right recurrent nerve palsy. Dysphagia lasted 4 months, and dysphonia lasted 6 months. Six months after surgery, a stroboscopic examination showed partial recovery of vocal cord mobility.

Ezekiel2517 said:
And without knowing all the details, we can't tell you exactly what the cause is.

Now your talking sense..
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;) (Nerve damage and cartilage damage have indeed been reported according to links some of you all have provided. ) (All I know is what I am reading )

As I said I did not come here to get doctored but I really appreciate the input. I came here to try to be informed before seeing a doctor. I read a lot and watched several videos of LMA insertion and removal including articles provided in links by FFP and others on this forum. Not to argue with them but to understand what they are telling me.

My appointment with the ENT last Wednesday did not go well. I chose the one of three in the firm because of her experience , years in the discipline.

Right out the gate when I said my voice sounded hoarse and I had a sore throat, She argued with me. That neither was true.. Ok trying to be a "Patient" patient and defer to her expertise, I explained that I "wondered" if there was a possibility that my issue was caused by either insertion, / over inflation / or improper removal of the LMA. (Admittedly I know nothing about this )

I was a bit put back when she insisted over and over that there was
"ENT" said:
nothing to deflate - inflate and there is no "Cuff" in an LMA.


She spent - maybe 15 seconds looking down my throat through some round disc with a hole in the center positioned in front of her face and held there by a head band ( Yes, A head Mirror) I thought those were gone in the last century ... ( I have no problem with it, I suppose it is still a useful tool )

That was the entire exam. Your fine, ... have a good day............

Well I was glad she did not see anything obvious but I determined I would seek another ENT for another opinion, I am not a hypochondriac, My throat does indeed hurt and people do notice my horse voice.

My wife and I decided to explore other possibilities before making another appointment. I don't doctor myself, but I think my wife and I found out what is causing the problem.

We started looking at the side affects of the meds I was taking ( not that many really) Lipitor, Muscle relaxant, Oxycodine - generic for Percoset... as needed for pain.

Voila -- Sore throat and Horse voice both clearly listed as side affects for Percoset. I have been on it since the surgery.

I have noticed that the problem is more severe and noticeable at varying times (maybe depending on frequency of dosage), I will monitor it more closely in relation to when I take the pain reliever.

It seems, after all the forms we fill out including telling doctors what meds we are taking, (Do they read this stuff? ) This could have and should have been diagnosed as a possible cause a long time ago by a doctor, not an electrical engineer and his accountant wife.

Thanks all of you. Very Much!
 
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If you have doubts about the care you have received from your ENT, the best course of action is (as you noted) to seek a 2nd professional opinion.

Closing per SDN's terms.
 
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