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Today was supposed to be an exciting day with applications officially being done! My dog got super sick last night and had a negative explore today and is now spending the night at one of my wonderful DVMs houses being closely monitored and I just feel sick about it. I've had a really rough year as it is and this is just the cherry on top.
AND I have an exam tomorrow. I hate this week so much.
 
We’re only a month into school but already my class is starting to have rumblings about how much they hate our school and wish they went somewhere else. It’s very disappointing to hear especially coming from our class executive board.

They keep saying we’re going to lose accreditation over NAVLE scores but fail to realize that these scores are often reflective of the COVID period of classes.
 
honeypot999 said:
We’re only a month into school but already my class is starting to have rumblings about how much they hate our school and wish they went somewhere else. It’s very disappointing to hear especially coming from our class executive board.

They keep saying we’re going to lose accreditation over NAVLE scores but fail to realize that these scores are often reflective of the COVID period of classes.
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Like every vet school had a bit of a drop because of Covid classes graduating. A fourth year told me she knew people in c/o 2023 who didn’t study at all because tests were all online unproctored and then proceeded to not study for the navle. I’m sure it will get better again for everyone in the coming years!
 
honeypot999 said:
We’re only a month into school but already my class is starting to have rumblings about how much they hate our school and wish they went somewhere else. It’s very disappointing to hear especially coming from our class executive board.

They keep saying we’re going to lose accreditation over NAVLE scores but fail to realize that these scores are often reflective of the COVID period of classes.
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So highly unlikely, that this view point just breeds unnecessary negativity. The AVMA COE accreditation standards and standings are available online. Michigan had a standing of "accredited"; so there's zero chance of them losing accreditation due to NAVLE right now.

/rant over drama that doesn't need to exist
 
honeypot999 said:
We’re only a month into school but already my class is starting to have rumblings about how much they hate our school and wish they went somewhere else. It’s very disappointing to hear especially coming from our class executive board.

They keep saying we’re going to lose accreditation over NAVLE scores but fail to realize that these scores are often reflective of the COVID period of classes.
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This might be total hearsay lol but I seem to recall that there is a clause that if a school loses accreditation that previously had accreditation then any current vet students will still graduate as an AVMA-approved student, it only affects incoming students.
 
awesomenessity said:
This might be total hearsay lol but I seem to recall that there is a clause that if a school loses accreditation that previously had accreditation then any current vet students will still graduate as an AVMA-approved student, it only affects incoming students.
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This is the case. The AVMA would not leave 100s of students up **** creek without a paddle
 
Oh good glad I'm not talking out of my butt 😆 I remember there was some concern our school might lose accreditation at one point and that clause was very reassuring during that time haha
 
I love my job. I love my job. I love my job.

*On my weekend of on call my clients gave to me*
9 emergencies today
1 dramatic death
1 piss bath
*and a partdridge in a pear tree*

And people wonder why we only work 4 days and not 5 and don't take more emergency call.😴
 
Vet school is so overwhelming and I feel like I’m being dumped with so much information. But learning about clinical skills and working in my school clinic solidified my choice on wanting to be a vet.

But also please have mercy, I’m just a clueless first year. 😭
 
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Not really a rant lol but I need some opinions :laugh: Since Ducky has asthma now I have been feeding her two meals of steamed hay a day (lots of hay at a time, so it lasts her until the next feeding). But this means I am spending SO much time prepping meals for her. The part that takes the longest is filling her giant hay bags... right now I have two hay bags so I can make her dinner bag and her breakfast bag for the next morning at the same time. Takes me about 20 mins to fill one bag. Should I get more hay bags and just bang out a bunch of them at one time, meal prep style? Only real catch: They're like $100 a bag lol. Or should I just accept that it will take me at least an hour to feed my horse every day 🙃
 
Ask everyone to give you hay bags for Christmas or a gift card for the horse supply store to help cut the cost down? I’d totally buy at least a few additional bags to be able to prep more beforehand. Plus if you ever go out of town having bags already prepped would be way easier on a horse sitter. But I do remember how difficult budget can be during residency.
 
JaynaAli said:
Ask everyone to give you hay bags for Christmas or a gift card for the horse supply store to help cut the cost down? I’d totally buy at least a few additional bags to be able to prep more beforehand. Plus if you ever go out of town having bags already prepped would be way easier on a horse sitter. But I do remember how difficult budget can be during residency.
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That's a good idea! I think I found some that are big enough and are like half the price so hopefullyyyy those work out haha. I ordered a trial one so we'll see if they work. Ducky has a lot of internet fans so maybe they'll buy her hay nets if I make her an amazon wishlist 🤣
 
awesomenessity said:
That's a good idea! I think I found some that are big enough and are like half the price so hopefullyyyy those work out haha. I ordered a trial one so we'll see if they work. Ducky has a lot of internet fans so maybe they'll buy her hay nets if I make her an amazon wishlist 🤣
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I guarantee her fans will crowdfund hay nets for her 😂😂😂😂
 
Our 8.5-9 year old rabbit was just diagnosed with mammary cancer. She's feeling good and we caught the mass within a month of it appearing. But it's hard to ask my older bunny to go through surgery to remove it (if she'd be a good candidate). She's part of a bonded pair and I just don't know what we're going to do for the other one if the worst happens. Were taking it step wise and were getting imaging in a week from tomorrow, but it's just a hard one to hear.

She's also a lop and has middle ear disease. At least the antibiotic she's on is cherry and banana flavored and she'll like it.
 
7billionth reason I wanna quit.
Dog presented for bleeding from mouth and butt. Gave estimate for all the things. O only approved coags and chem 17 which if course came back normal. Has been to 2 other vets and only did exams. O calls wanting a referral for someone to be able to tell her what's going on with her dog....I'm refer you straight to IM or ER. Oh wait they're gonna want all the diagnostics I recommended first.🤬 I'm having my tech call them back cause I literally cannot.


Eta (mini rave wring form i know):my throat punchy mood dissipated today when my sweet old client couple invited me to her husband's 80th bday party later this month. It was so sweet and adorable and was just what I needed to dissipate the internal rage that's been going on the last few days.
 
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That moment when a client demands to go to a referral center and states they know she's coming. Then the referral center calls asking why we didn't do a true transfer with a doctor conversation and then have to tell their receptionist that the client didn't like being told we don't know what's wrong 🙄
 
battie said:
That moment when a client demands to go to a referral center and states they know she's coming. Then the referral center calls asking why we didn't do a true transfer with a doctor conversation and then have to tell their receptionist that the client didn't like being told we don't know what's wrong 🙄
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Update: client called hours later saying I was wrong about it maybe being GI vs endocrine and was "just an abscess". Okay, lady. Have never seen a down and out doodle with a SQ abscess before. Sorry for worrying about life threatening foreign material vs Addison's
 
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Also an human PICU NP. My human medical professionals as clients are 50/50 from perfect to sub-optimal 🙄
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Some of my absolute favourite clients were a MD couple who were both retired radiologists. Didn't have to explain things in super lay terms, they had no concerns with cost, and were constantly fascinated by vet stuff.
 
Trilt said:
Some of my absolute favourite clients were a MD couple who were both retired radiologists. Didn't have to explain things in super lay terms, they had no concerns with cost, and were constantly fascinated by vet stuff.
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My best human health care clients have been MDs. I explained heart failure to a cardiologist once and he took it in stride. And then had an MD of unknown origin not think twice of hospitalizing his Shih Tzu for AHDS/HGE.
 
I regretted being a vet a lot ,especially this week. First time in 2 years practicing in SA industry, I had a case of ovarian remnant for a spay 1 year back. And when all these happened, I was away at a conference, so my other colleagues had to help with the case. Unfortunately it happened to a patient with a difficult owner that despite saying okay when we asked to come for a discussion in a few days (as our ultrasound machine was undergoing maintenance that time), actually posted it to social media, and threaten to viral us. Then the owner immediately brought their pet to different vets without discussing with us. Thankfully the other clinic found the remnant.

All throughout the conference, I was wrecked with guilt. Now that the owner keep scolding us in the clinic WhatsApp, I can barely go to work without feeling embarrassed to my other colleagues. I have smeared their name in the mud. My confidence had hit rock bottom. Each day, the thought to resign grows larger. I had the best regular clients, but I feel all those wonderful interactions have been swept away, replaced by this looming feeling that I am nothing but a bad vet. I was never, and will never be a good enough vet, that's what I'm feeling now. I'm so sorry for the negative post
 
Okiskir said:
I regretted being a vet a lot ,especially this week. First time in 2 years practicing in SA industry, I had a case of ovarian remnant for a spay 1 year back. And when all these happened, I was away at a conference, so my other colleagues had to help with the case. Unfortunately it happened to a patient with a difficult owner that despite saying okay when we asked to come for a discussion in a few days (as our ultrasound machine was undergoing maintenance that time), actually posted it to social media, and threaten to viral us. Then the owner immediately brought their pet to different vets without discussing with us. Thankfully the other clinic found the remnant.

All throughout the conference, I was wrecked with guilt. Now that the owner keep scolding us in the clinic WhatsApp, I can barely go to work without feeling embarrassed to my other colleagues. I have smeared their name in the mud. My confidence had hit rock bottom. Each day, the thought to resign grows larger. I had the best regular clients, but I feel all those wonderful interactions have been swept away, replaced by this looming feeling that I am nothing but a bad vet. I was never, and will never be a good enough vet, that's what I'm feeling now. I'm so sorry for the negative post
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You are not a bad doctor. At all. Remnants happen. I apparently missed a SQ abscess a week or so back, and got fixated on primary GI for the clinical signs. We all miss things eventually. An ovarian remnant can even be ectopic and in weird spots. Without the records, you can say anything about your medical and surgical skills.

If the clinic owner is genuinely blaming you for this (you weren't even there for the follow-up!), I strongly encourage you to leave. It's an associates market and you don't need that negativity in your life.
 
battie said:
You are not a bad doctor. At all. Remnants happen. I apparently missed a SQ abscess a week or so back, and got fixated on primary GI for the clinical signs. We all miss things eventually. An ovarian remnant can even be ectopic and in weird spots. Without the records, you can say anything about your medical and surgical skills.

If the clinic owner is genuinely blaming you for this (you weren't even there for the follow-up!), I strongly encourage you to leave. It's an associates market and you don't need that negativity in your life.
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Thank you for your encouragement! Unfortunately the practice owner is quite upset with what happened and didn't seem to want to discuss much about it with me. But I do understand why she's upset. I called the pet owner personally today and apologized for what had happened. The owner are understandably upset and angry, but I feel much better after personally apologizing to him. I do feel a bit "abandoned" by my colleagues as I had helped them with their cases when they are not around, but when this issue came up, they'd rather not deal with it and rather wait for me to come back to actually discuss with the owner. But it is what it is, I learn a lot from this experience.

Sorry for being such a downer, but I'm glad to be able to share this bit and I'm feeling much much better. I'm 3 years out, and in my country, there's no ER or GP, we would have to do everything unfortunately. It's fun, I love it, but I do hope to be able to find a career where I don't have to do surgery one day. I'm very nervous about surgery after what had happened.
 
Okiskir said:
Thank you for your encouragement! Unfortunately the practice owner is quite upset with what happened and didn't seem to want to discuss much about it with me. But I do understand why she's upset. I called the pet owner personally today and apologized for what had happened. The owner are understandably upset and angry, but I feel much better after personally apologizing to him. I do feel a bit "abandoned" by my colleagues as I had helped them with their cases when they are not around, but when this issue came up, they'd rather not deal with it and rather wait for me to come back to actually discuss with the owner. But it is what it is, I learn a lot from this experience.

Sorry for being such a downer, but I'm glad to be able to share this bit and I'm feeling much much better. I'm 3 years out, and in my country, there's no ER or GP, we would have to do everything unfortunately. It's fun, I love it, but I do hope to be able to find a career where I don't have to do surgery one day. I'm very nervous about surgery after what had happened.
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Coming from a respectful place, but what do you think you have to apologize for? Ovarian remnants aren't really the entire fault of the surgeon, and it was absolutely not your fault this happened while you were gone. It's the job of an owner to handle these situations; it comes with ownership.

I hope you're able to find some place that can give you great membership and better support. Again, I highly encourage you to find somewhere else. Life is too short to work somewhere you don't want to
 
@Okiskir literally every vet makes mistakes. Some are severe and result in the death of an animal, some are so mild that they don’t even have clinical consequences. Most errors fall somewhere in between these extremes.

What matters is how you handle it, professionally and personally. First, of course, acknowledging that you made a mistake and owning that. Second, doing what you can to make it right for the animal and the owner. Third, learning from the experience so that you don’t make the mistake again, and hopefully contributing to your own QA/QC process.

Personally, you need to disassociate the concepts of mistakes and abilities. Making a mistake doesn’t make you a bad vet. How you handle that error is what differentiates the good from the bad. What benefit is there from stewing over the problem, to yourself, the animal, your colleagues and the owner? None. You’re only hurting yourself. It sucks that this happened with a nasty owner, but do NOT give them space in your head.
 
Okiskir said:
Thank you for your encouragement! Unfortunately the practice owner is quite upset with what happened and didn't seem to want to discuss much about it with me. But I do understand why she's upset. I called the pet owner personally today and apologized for what had happened. The owner are understandably upset and angry, but I feel much better after personally apologizing to him. I do feel a bit "abandoned" by my colleagues as I had helped them with their cases when they are not around, but when this issue came up, they'd rather not deal with it and rather wait for me to come back to actually discuss with the owner. But it is what it is, I learn a lot from this experience.

Sorry for being such a downer, but I'm glad to be able to share this bit and I'm feeling much much better. I'm 3 years out, and in my country, there's no ER or GP, we would have to do everything unfortunately. It's fun, I love it, but I do hope to be able to find a career where I don't have to do surgery one day. I'm very nervous about surgery after what had happened.
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This literally happened to the best surgeon I know (veteran shelter vet). When we went back in there was ovarian tissue in the omentum. This is not a reflection of you or your abilities. You colleagues should be supporting you, not scorning you. This could have happened to any one of them. I’m just a lowly vet student but I hope this helps. Feel better ❤️
 
Okiskir said:
Sorry for being such a downer, but I'm glad to be able to share this bit and I'm feeling much much better. I'm 3 years out, and in my country, there's no ER or GP, we would have to do everything unfortunately. It's fun, I love it, but I do hope to be able to find a career where I don't have to do surgery one day. I'm very nervous about surgery after what had happened.
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So don't let this shake your confidence in surgery! I spayed a cat with 3 ovaries once. I would have missed the 3rd ovary if I hadn't happened to just get really good visualization on the ovarian pedicle. I've also done an ovarian remnant surgery for one of my colleagues, and found that cat also had a 3rd ovary and a partial 3rd uterine horn. I made a really big incision so I could see everything really well, and I could actually see the scarring where she ligated the uterine stump and two ovarian pedicles. Sometimes animals don't come with the standard equipment!
 
dogtorwannabee said:
Long time lurker, first time posting...
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Meds can be life changing if you’re not on something currently. And if you are, you may not be on the right one for *you.*
I’d definitely discuss with a doctor if they think starting medication or changing/adding a different med could help you 💜
 
With thanksgiving coming up and the rest of the holiday season, I know I am about to be asked at least a million times if I have heard anything from vet school admissions. I keep saying no news right now is good news, but that does not help ease their curiosity. The more people ask the more worried and anxious I get. I feel like I need the equivalent of a swear jar for everyone who asks me about it, that way I will at least have some $$ to pay for all this
 
This is my second cycle applying and my mom has been absolutely ruining the idea of vet school for me. I have always wanted to be a vet but she is constantly asking things and doing things that I have set boundaries avo it and she just doesn’t listen to me. She even called a school to ask them questions without my knowledge. and then she guilt trips me or manipulated me by saying things like “i’m sure there’s so many other pre vet students who wish their mom would help them..” and i just cannot take it anymore. It is to the point where i nearly want to pull my applications because i’m afraid this incessant nagging about any and all things related to vet med will not end even after i get into vet school. If anyone has thoughts/advice I would love to hear it
 
Kodiak-Bear said:
This is my second cycle applying and my mom has been absolutely ruining the idea of vet school for me. I have always wanted to be a vet but she is constantly asking things and doing things that I have set boundaries avo it and she just doesn’t listen to me. She even called a school to ask them questions without my knowledge. and then she guilt trips me or manipulated me by saying things like “i’m sure there’s so many other pre vet students who wish their mom would help them..” and i just cannot take it anymore. It is to the point where i nearly want to pull my applications because i’m afraid this incessant nagging about any and all things related to vet med will not end even after i get into vet school. If anyone has thoughts/advice I would love to hear it
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Is she communicating to them in a way that can be tied back to you? If so, I would reach out to the schools and let them know this is happening without your consent. Usually, they are pretty understanding of these situations because it is outside of the student's control.

I would be livid if my parents did anything like that. My dad still thinks I went to college in Boston (I was several hours from there). There needs to be a balance between being overly invested and indifference.
 
I'm terrified that I'm going to get below a C in Biochemistry. I will need to notify schools and the one acceptance I do have will probably be rescinded.

I completely bombed a midterm, probably got like a 20% or lower. There was not a single question that I could confidently answer and the time crunch during the exam made it impossible to think about improving my answers.

I studied my ass off for an entire week. I feel defeated. If I do get a horrible grade on this exam I really need to ace the final somehow to salvage my grade.

I've always been a pretty good student without being attached to the differences between a B- or an A+. I have never had to worry about potentially failing my class and now the stakes feel like the highest its every been 😥
 
renacuaja said:
Is she communicating to them in a way that can be tied back to you? If so, I would reach out to the schools and let them know this is happening without your consent. Usually, they are pretty understanding of these situations because it is outside of the student's control.

I would be livid if my parents did anything like that. My dad still thinks I went to college in Boston (I was several hours from there). There needs to be a balance between being overly invested and indifference.
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She said she didn’t mention my name or anything but this is kind of insane behavior right? I just keep trying to rationalize it because she’s my mom but this is too much
 
renacuaja said:
I'm terrified that I'm going to get below a C in Biochemistry. I will need to notify schools and the one acceptance I do have will probably be rescinded.

I completely bombed a midterm, probably got like a 20% or lower. There was not a single question that I could confidently answer and the time crunch during the exam made it impossible to think about improving my answers.

I studied my ass off for an entire week. I feel defeated. If I do get a horrible grade on this exam I really need to ace the final somehow to salvage my grade.

I've always been a pretty good student without being attached to the differences between a B- or an A+. I have never had to worry about potentially failing my class and now the stakes feel like the highest its every been 😥
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To me biochem was the hardest prerequisite. What was the average, there may be hope of a curve? My own biochem class back then was significantly curved due to low averages. Everyone says this but it really does help: office hours and practice practice practice. You’ve got this!
 
Kodiak-Bear said:
This is my second cycle applying and my mom has been absolutely ruining the idea of vet school for me. I have always wanted to be a vet but she is constantly asking things and doing things that I have set boundaries avo it and she just doesn’t listen to me. She even called a school to ask them questions without my knowledge. and then she guilt trips me or manipulated me by saying things like “i’m sure there’s so many other pre vet students who wish their mom would help them..” and i just cannot take it anymore. It is to the point where i nearly want to pull my applications because i’m afraid this incessant nagging about any and all things related to vet med will not end even after i get into vet school. If anyone has thoughts/advice I would love to hear it
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your mom needs to go on an information diet. no news until you're ready to share. change the subject when she brings it up, and if she persists, then time to leave the room/house or end the phone call. repeat until she gets it.
 
katiemcat said:
To me biochem was the hardest prerequisite. What was the average, there may be hope of a curve? My own biochem class back then was significantly curved due to low averages. Everyone says this but it really does help: office hours and practice practice practice. You’ve got this!
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Just got my grade back. I GOT AN 80 (sorry if this is moving it into rave territory). Class average was a lot lower so he's allowing test corrections as well.

I have no idea how that happened. I'm half tempted to ask the prof if he mixed up my test answers which someone else.
 
We’ve had many farewell parties at work lately. I can’t wait till one of them is mine. As it stands, my location is probably going to see a complete turnover in staff over the next 6 months - including all of the doctors. Corporate came in to do a “how can we help you” type meeting last month and essentially offered no real support, the gist of the meeting being “you’ll have to find what works for you.” The one thing we asked repeatedly for was an increase in pay/ retention bonuses for our one tech and an assistant who had been with the practice for years. These are our last trained support staff who can assist with anesthesia. They offered the assistant a higher position (more stress and work since we have a part time PM) with a fifty cent pay raise.

Obviously, she found a better job in the field and I’m very happy for her. Now we’re at a point where we can only do limited surgeries or we’ll have to have another doctor run anesthesia. We’re going to lose so much money as a clinic because corporate didn’t want to pay someone a couple more dollars an hour. Nonsense. Utter ****ing nonsense.
 
Posting because I just need an outlet. 1st time applicant, and I decided to take a gap year in between veterinary school and undergrad. This year has been extremely draining because I moved to a new area all by myself, and I still don't have friends and all I do is work at a mentally-draining job and where they don't even support me going to veterinary school. That's besides the point, but since submitting my applications is August, I am starting to drive myself crazy. Every single day I get calls from my parents about if I've heard from schools. I have received some interviews; however, recently got my first rejection. I ended up telling my parents about the rejection, in which they stated "that's like getting rejected from a fast food restaurant". I have never had a great relationship with my parents, and maybe they meant it as a joke, but after all these years that just hurts after putting in all of this work. They then proceed to ask me "What are your plans for next year?" As they don't believe I get in anywhere. I understand you need to have a backup plan in case you don't get in; however, they are so discouraging. I am so extremely nervous because within the next few weeks my in-state decisions will come out, and if I get rejected, not only will I be extremely upset, but my parents will make it so much worse. Anyways, sorry for the rant, I just needed to let it out to like-minded individuals that know what this process is like. It has been so exhausting and I am just at a loss of what to do while I wait for my future to unfold.
 
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