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ItsOverZyvox said:
We landed on the moon.
We can get internet on cell phones.
4 minute mile has been shattered...


Yet we can't prevent birds from entering plane engines!! :mad:
Tell them engineers to get on it!
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Well...you want them to prevent bird ingestion to begin with, or develop engine that can sustain it? Two different things...

But the chance of both engines (sometimes even 4 engines) taking in birds and causing catastrophic failure is verrrrrry rare. Think of how many flights there are a day. And you're talking millions and millions of dollars in development, if it's even possible. Imagine how expensive and inefficient that would be to the industry!
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SpirivaSunrise said:
Well...you want them to prevent bird ingestion to begin with, or develop engine that can sustain it? Two different things...

But the chance of both engines (sometimes even 4 engines) taking in birds and causing catastrophic failure is verrrrrry rare. Think of how many flights there are a day. And you're talking millions and millions of dollars in development, if it's even possible. Imagine how expensive and inefficient that would be to the industry!
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Two different things with a same purpose... Imagine if the US Air didn't have Hudson to land or if it plowed into a building or a bridge... Totally different story right?

Andrew Maloney, an attorney and partner with Kreindler & Kreindler LLP in Manhattan, said the US Airways crash will very likely have a major impact on ongoing discussions about the bird problem at New York's LaGuardia Airport, where the plane took off today.

Maloney, whose firm specializes in aviation issues, said city and Port Authority officials want to clear the area surrounding LaGuardia Airport of birds, but environmentalists don't want the birds, mostly seagulls and Canada geese, disturbed from their nesting grounds.
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Yet, the first step to prevent this sort of disaster is to gather up them environmentalist and flog them to knock some sense into em..
 
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SpirivaSunrise said:
Z should check off the list and see how many of those he's flown in/out of. :D

I counted 17.
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20. But we didn't have internet when I traveled out of some of those ports... Like Long Beach...
 
Off topic, but related to engines...here's a small project he's involved with...mostly because of the PR work. Thought it might interest you, being the environmentalist that you are! :smuggrin:

I asked him if he's going on the test flight...he said no, company's life insurance wouldn't cover it! Haaa.




Tokyo, December 16, 2008:Japan Airlines (JAL) announced today that it will be the first airline to conduct a demonstration flight using a sustainable biofuel refined from the energy crop, camelina. The airline also announced that the demo flight is planned for January 30, 2009 out of Haneda Airport, Tokyo.

A blend of 50% biofuel and 50% traditional Jet-A jet (kerosene) fuel will be tested on the Pratt & Whitney JT9D engines of a JAL-owned Boeing 747-300 aircraft. The biofuel component to be used will be a mixture of three second-generation biofuel feedstocks: camelina (84%), jatropha (under 16%), and algae (under 1%). This will make the JAL biofuel demonstration flight the first one to be powered by camelina, and the first using a combination of three sustainable feedstocks. It will also be the first biofuel demo by an Asian carrier, as well as the first one using Pratt & Whitney engines.


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Camelina, also known as gold-of-pleasure or false flax, is an energy crop, given its high oil content and ability to grow in rotation with wheat and other cereal crops. The crop is mostly grown in more moderate climates such as the northern plains of the U.S, and originally hails from northern Europe and Central Asia. It can be grown even in dry areas, poor soil and at high altitudes. It is classified as a ‘traditional’ crop, but is considered next-generation given that its primary use is as a biofuel feedstock.
The camelina to be used in the JAL demo flight was sourced by Sustainable Oils, Inc., a U.S.-based provider of renewable, environmentally clean, and high-value camelina-based fuels. Terasol Energy sourced and provided the jatropha oil, and the algae oil was provided by Sapphire Energy.

JAL, Boeing, Pratt & Whitney, and Honeywell’s UOP have committed to the use of second-generation biofuel feedstocks that are more efficient and sustainable energy than first-generation counterparts. Second-generation biofuel feedstocks, such as camelina, jatropha and algae, do not compete with natural food or water resources and do not contribute to deforestation practices.

The approximately 1 hour demo flight out of Haneda Airport, Tokyo operated by JAL staff with no passengers onboard is planned for January 30, 2009. The flight will be the final stage in a 12 month process to conclusively confirm the sustainable biofuel’s operational performance capabilities and potential commercial viability. The JAL biofuel flight is expected to bring the airline industry significantly closer to finding a suitable sustainable biofuel that will help reduce the impact of carbon dioxide emissions (CO2) generated by aviation, whilst also reducing the industry’s reliance on traditional petroleum-based fuels.

JAL Environmental Affairs Vice President Yasunori Abe explained, ‘The highest levels of safety will be adhered to throughout the whole biofuel demonstration flight. Prior to takeoff, we will run the No. 3 engine (middle right) using the fuel blend to confirm everything operates normally. In the air, we will check the engine’s performance during normal and non-normal flight operations, which will include quick accelerations and decelerations, and engine shutdown and restart.”

Once the flight has been completed, data recorded on the aircraft will be analyzed by Pratt & Whitney and Boeing engineers. Several of the engine readings will be used to determine if equivalent engine performance was seen from the biofuel blend compared to typical Jet A-1 fuel.

The fuel for the JAL demo flight was successfully converted from plant-based crude oil to biojet fuel by Honeywell’s UOP, a refining technology developer, using proprietary hydro-processing technology to complete the fuel conversion. The fuel was then blended with typical jet fuel to create the 50% biofuel blend. Subsequent laboratory testing by Boeing, UOP, and several independent laboratories verified the biofuel met the industry criteria for jet fuel performance. Ground-based jet engine performance testing by Pratt & Whitney of similar fuels further established that the biofuel blend either meets or exceeds the performance criteria that is in place for commercial aviation jet fuel today.

“Our feedstock selection was based on firm sustainability criteria designed to avoid the mistakes of preceding biofuel generations,” said Boeing Biofuels Program Manager Tim Rahmes. “Working together with Japan Airlines and our other industry partners we’ve successfully partnered to create a next-generation, plant-derived jet fuel blend that, through extensive testing, has replacement fuel qualities that meet or exceed all of the current jet fuel specification properties.”

"This biofuels program is an important part of Pratt & Whitney's overall commitment to the environment and we are proud to be working with our long-time customers Japan Airlines and Boeing," said Greg Gernhardt, Pratt & Whitney Vice President, Commercial Engines & Global Services, Asia-Pacific Region. "Over the past several months, we have worked together to secure, evaluate and ensure the safety and performance of this biofuel. We are excited to work together in the research and development of sustainable fuels for the future."
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I only got 14 airports on that list...I feel so inadequate...
 
SpirivaSunrise said:
Off topic, but related to engines...here's a small project he's involved with...mostly because of the PR work. Thought it might interest you, being the environmentalist that you are! :smuggrin:

I asked him if he's going on the test flight...he said no, company's life insurance wouldn't cover it! Haaa.
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And how much water and petroleum does it take to produce 1 gallon of fuel from this camelina??
 
worst airlines I ever flew in terms of customer service: Northwest, United, and Spirit

Best Airlines: Continental, JetBlue


and yeah, we all know zpack only flys on private jets so whatever....
 
I fly coach. But I do get to board the plane first! :smuggrin:

Best service Qantas. Smelliest flight.. From Tahiti to Moorea.. in a single engine prop.. it was a french pilot.
 
ItsOverZyvox said:
And how much water and petroleum does it take to produce 1 gallon of fuel from this camelina??
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I'm just as skeptical as you are about some of this...but he showed me a pretty neat powerpoint on the efficiency of some of these alternative sources. I'll have him send me some of the slides.
 
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ItsOverZyvox said:
I fly coach. But I do get to board the plane first! :smuggrin:

Best service Qantas. Smelliest flight.. From Tahiti to Moorea.. in a single engine prop.. it was a french pilot.
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Qantas is the way to fly :cool:
 
ItsOverZyvox said:
I fly coach. But I do get to board the plane first! :smuggrin:

Best service Qantas. Smelliest flight.. From Tahiti to Moorea.. in a single engine prop.. it was a french pilot.
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Best service I can remember was on an Alitalia flight back in the day. But service isn't the same today...even on first class overseas flights.

Smelliest flight? Haha...I'm not even sure I want to know why...
 
I flew Alitalia and I thought I was going to die.

But their cracker and cheese box was yummy :luck:
 
NTSB ADVISORY
************************************************************
National Transportation Safety Board
Washington, DC 20594
January 21, 2009
************************************************************
NTSB ISSUES UPDATE ON INVESTIGATION INTO DITCHING OF US
AIRWAYS JETLINER INTO HUDSON RIVER
************************************************************
In its continuing investigation of US Airways flight 1549,
which ditched into the Hudson River adjacent to Manhattan at
approximately 3:30 p.m. on January 15, 2009, the National
Transportation Safety Board has developed the following
factual information:
The right engine has been externally examined and
documented. An examination of the first stage fan blades
revealed evidence of soft body impact damage. Three of the
variable guide vanes are fractured and two are missing. The
engine's electronic control unit is missing and numerous
internal components of the engine were significantly
damaged.
What appears to be organic material was found in the right
engine and on the wings and fuselage. Samples of the
material have been provided to the United States Department
of Agriculture for a complete DNA analysis. A single
feather was found attached to a flap track on the wing. It
is being sent to bird identification experts at the
Smithsonian.
The left engine has been located in about 50 feet of water
near the area of the Hudson River where the aircraft
ditched. The NTSB is working with federal, state and local
agencies to recover the engine, which is expected to occur
sometime on Thursday.
The NTSB has learned that the right engine experienced a
surge during a flight on January 13, 2009, and that
subsequent maintenance actions included the replacement of a
temperature probe. Investigators from the NTSB's
Maintenance Records group are researching this report by
examining applicable maintenance records and procedures.
The NTSB's Survival Factors group is in the process of
interviewing passengers to learn more about the events
surrounding the ditching and the emergency evacuation and
rescue. The Operations and Human Performance group is
interviewing US Airways flight operations training
personnel.
The checked and carry-on baggage is in the process of being
removed from the aircraft. Representatives from the NTSB's
Office of Transportation Disaster Assistance are working to
coordinate efforts with US Airways to return these items to
the passengers.
The on-scene documentation of the airplane is expected to be
completed by the end of the week. Preparations are underway
to facilitate movement and more permanent storage of the
airplane so that more detailed documentation of the damage
can be performed at a later date.
************************************************************
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National Transportation Safety Board.
 
Geez... they could've just said..

Yuppers....the plane hit some birds...
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SpirivaSunrise said:
NTSB ADVISORY
************************************************************
National Transportation Safety Board
Washington, DC 20594
January 21, 2009
************************************************************
NTSB ISSUES UPDATE ON INVESTIGATION INTO DITCHING OF US
AIRWAYS JETLINER INTO HUDSON RIVER
************************************************************
In its continuing investigation of US Airways flight 1549,
which ditched into the Hudson River adjacent to Manhattan at
approximately 3:30 p.m. on January 15, 2009, the National
Transportation Safety Board has developed the following
factual information:
The right engine has been externally examined and
documented. An examination of the first stage fan blades
revealed evidence of soft body impact damage. Three of the
variable guide vanes are fractured and two are missing. The
engine's electronic control unit is missing and numerous
internal components of the engine were significantly
damaged.
What appears to be organic material was found in the right
engine and on the wings and fuselage. Samples of the
material have been provided to the United States Department
of Agriculture for a complete DNA analysis. A single
feather was found attached to a flap track on the wing. It
is being sent to bird identification experts at the
Smithsonian.
The left engine has been located in about 50 feet of water
near the area of the Hudson River where the aircraft
ditched. The NTSB is working with federal, state and local
agencies to recover the engine, which is expected to occur
sometime on Thursday.
The NTSB has learned that the right engine experienced a
surge during a flight on January 13, 2009, and that
subsequent maintenance actions included the replacement of a
temperature probe. Investigators from the NTSB's
Maintenance Records group are researching this report by
examining applicable maintenance records and procedures.
The NTSB's Survival Factors group is in the process of
interviewing passengers to learn more about the events
surrounding the ditching and the emergency evacuation and
rescue. The Operations and Human Performance group is
interviewing US Airways flight operations training
personnel.
The checked and carry-on baggage is in the process of being
removed from the aircraft. Representatives from the NTSB's
Office of Transportation Disaster Assistance are working to
coordinate efforts with US Airways to return these items to
the passengers.
The on-scene documentation of the airplane is expected to be
completed by the end of the week. Preparations are underway
to facilitate movement and more permanent storage of the
airplane so that more detailed documentation of the damage
can be performed at a later date.
************************************************************
This message is delivered to you as a free service from the
National Transportation Safety Board.
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ItsOverZyvox said:
You must've been working goofy shifts and lost all your senses.
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This is true. And we're in a severe Tc shortage. I've had to hit the generators 71 times on first run over the past three days alone...

But I'm typing up a post now that may interest you (Re: what it takes to open up an indie nuclear pharm...I know you've asked me this before, but I never answered your question).
 
SpirivaSunrise said:
This is true. And we're in a severe Tc shortage. I've had to hit the generators 71 times on first run over the past three days alone...

But I'm typing up a post now that may interest you (Re: what it takes to open up an indie nuclear pharm...I know you've asked me this before, but I never answered your question).
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I asked that? I don't remember...
 
:smuggrin:

Come open one near my house. I'll provide some funding...but you'll have to work 24-7.
 
SpirivaSunrise said:
lol...why did you think you were going to die?
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Haha...well, it was a combination of the rough take off (no big deal unto itself), but the interior color reminded me of a discount bus I took in Vietnam. I guess I was just getting flashbacks :(

Wonder if that airline is going to improve this year now that it's "back."
 
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