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What is the natural history of chronic pain in working-aged adults? Rhetorical question: it doesn't recover. So maybe more injections, surgeries, PRP, etc is where the waste really lies.
Maybe limiting options to harmless, less costly interventions like acupuncture, CBT, PT, yoga, etc WILL save money.

1. Pain. 2001 May;92(1-2):195-200.
A cross-national study of the course of persistent pain in primary care.
Gureje O1, Simon GE, Von Korff M.
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Data from the World Health Organization's study of psychological problems in general health care were used to examine the course of persistent painsyndromes among primary care patients. Across 15 sites in 14 countries, 3197 randomly selected primary care patients completed baseline and 12-month follow-up assessments of pain, other somatic symptoms, and anxiety and depressive disorders (the Composite International Diagnostic Interview), and an assessment of occupational role disability (the Social Disability Schedule). Of patients with a persistent pain condition at baseline, 49% had not recovered 12 months later. The probability of non-recovery varied significantly across study centers and was significantly associated with the number of pain sites at baseline. After adjustment for age, sex, and study center, baseline anxiety or depressive disorder did not predict non-recovery of persistent pain. Among those without a persistent pain disorder at baseline, the rate of onset was 8.8% with a significant variability in risk across centers. The baseline characteristics predicting the onset of persistent pain disorder were psychological disorder, poor self-rated health, and occupational role disability. A persistent pain disorder at baseline predicted the onset of a psychological disorder to the same degree that a baseline psychological disorder predicted the subsequent onset of persistent pain. Persistent pain conditions are common among primary care patients, and the probability of resolution over 12 months is approximately 50%. We found a strong and symmetrical relationship between persistentpain and psychological disorder. Impairment of daily activities appears to be a central component of that relationship.

2. Pain. 2002 Sep;99(1-2):299-307.
The course of chronic pain in the community: results of a 4-year follow-up study.
Elliott AM1, Smith BH, Hannaford PC, Smith WC, Chambers WA.
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Little is known about the course of chronic pain in the community. Such information is needed for the prevention and management of chronic pain. We undertook a 4-year follow-up study of 2184 individuals living in Grampian, UK to describe patterns and predictors of change in chronic pain over time. In October 2000, participants completed a postal questionnaire including case definition questions, the chronic pain grade questionnaire, the SF-36 and socio-demographic questions. Information from this questionnaire was compared to information collected from a similar questionnaire in 1996. A response rate of 83% was achieved for the follow-up study. The overall prevalence of chronic pain (pain or discomfort present either all the time or on and off for 3 months or longer) increased from 45.5% at baseline to 53.8% at follow-up. Seventy-nine percent of those with chronic pain at baseline still had it at follow-up. The average annual incidence was 8.3% and the average annual recovery rate was 5.4%. Individuals in the study samples who are in lowest quartile of SF-36 domains--physical functioning, social functioning and bodily pain at baseline--were more likely to developchronic pain at follow-up, and respondents who were retired were less likely to develop chronic pain. Individuals in the study samples in the lowest quartile of SF-36 domains, bodily pain and general health at baseline, were less likely to recover from their chronic pain, as were those aged 45-74 compared with those aged 25-34. We concluded that chronic pain is a common, persistent problem in the community with relatively high incidence and low recovery rates. The lack of association between onset or recovery from chronic pain and most traditional socio-demographic factors, highlights the need to broaden the range of factors included in studies of chronic pain aetiology.

3. Eur J Pain. 2004 Feb;8(1):47-53.
The course of non-malignant chronic pain: a 12-year follow-up of a cohort from the general population.
Andersson HI1.
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The high prevalence of chronic pain (duration >3 months) reported from different populations indicates a public health problem. Knowledge of the long-term course of chronic non-malignant pain is incomplete and scarce. This paper describes a follow-up of a cohort recruited from a survey in the general population. The cohort (n=214) consisted initially of individuals with widespread or located (neck-shoulder) pain or without chronic pain. The individuals were initially examined and replied to questionnaires on pain, social factors, lifestyle, medication and health care after two and 12 years. The deaths during the period were obtained from the population register. Complete data exist for 77% of the eligible individuals. After 12 years one-third of the individuals initially without pain reported chronic pain, and among those with initial chronic pain 85% still reported chronic pain. The number of painful areas was the strongest predictor of chronic pain 12 years later (OR 15.8; >3 locations vs. 0) whereas a social factor (having a close friend) decreased the risk (OR 0.44). The onset of chronic pain during the same period was related to the physical workload (work with bent positions; OR 5.31; yes vs. no). Mortality was significantly higher in the group initially reporting widespread pain compared with the other groups. The chronicity of widespread chronic pain supports early and intense intervention among individuals with located pain. The association between chronic widespread pain and increased mortality needs further investigation but may deepen the view of chronic pain as a public health problem.

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Truthfully, the modalities I listed are based more upon low risk & low cost. I'm not sure anything is compellingly beneficial.
 
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What is the natural history of chronic pain in working-aged adults? Rhetorical question: it doesn't recover. So maybe more injections, surgeries, PRP, etc is where the waste really lies. Maybe limiting options to harmless, less costly interventions like acupuncture, CBT, PT, yoga, etc WILL save money.

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Show me the data that "Qi Management" is good replacement for EBM Pain Management and appropriate use of public money!

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What is the natural history of chronic pain in working-aged adults? Rhetorical question: it doesn't recover. So maybe more injections, surgeries, PRP, etc is where the waste really lies. Maybe limiting options to harmless, less costly interventions like acupuncture, CBT, PT, yoga, etc WILL save money.


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A Review of Chronic Noncancer Pain: Epidemiology, Assessment, Treatment, and Future Needs

Jennifer Hah, M.D., M.S., Sean Mackey, M.D., Ph.D.


http://dx.doi.org/10.1176/appi.focus.130301


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The 2011 Institute of Medicine report Relieving Pain in America estimates that 100 million adult Americans are affected by chronic pain, costing a staggering $560 billion to $635 billion annually. In the context of this immense personal and socioeconomic burden, it is essential that all stakeholders, including providers, patients, third-party payers, and policy makers, understand the necessities of appropriate, accurate assessment and treatment of patients with chronic pain. This review examines the psychosocial consequences of pain and existing disparities in treatment. Particular emphasis is given to the challenge of using prescription opioids in the treatment of chronic noncancer pain, given the ongoing epidemic of deaths from prescription opioid overdose. Strategies for initial risk assessment and ongoing monitoring are discussed for detecting opioid misuse, abuse, and addiction. In addition, the challenges of treating patients with comorbid pain and substance use disorder are reviewed, and the role of the addiction specialist is highlighted. The biopsychosocial model of pain is reviewed as a framework for the interdisciplinary, multimodal approach to pain management, which is often necessary to treat patients with complex chronic pain conditions and comorbid psychiatric diagnoses. An interdisciplinary team consisting of pain specialists, mental health providers, physical/occupational therapists, nurses, and primary care providers is necessary not only for ongoing assessment of multiple relevant outcomes but also for overseeing the delivery of multimodal treatments (e.g., medications, interventions, physical/occupational therapy, and psychosocial education). To move toward personalized treatment of patients with pain, future needs in research, clinical care, and education are discussed.


Amazing that one can reach such a different conclusion about what a population-based model for pain care should look like when you bring bonafide content experts to the table: Evidence-based pain specialists should advocate for *THIS* version of the future and not more moo-shu pain pork. Despite what meta-analyticians like Roger Chou and Rick Deyo would have you believe, magical thinking, naturopathic medicine, and acupuncture detoxification won't help people with chronic pain and states should not waste public Medicaid dollars on such nonsense. Instead, ask legitimate pain specialists and what really works.
 
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Kathy Foley on "The Impact of the Politics of Pain on Clinical Care"

 
Traveler what is your interest in opioid/pain policy? Are you an opioid user and if so, for what diagnosis?
 
Traveler what is your interest in opioid/pain policy? Are you an opioid user and if so, for what diagnosis?
My interest is as an allied healthcare professional with experience working closely with a pain & palliative care team at an academic/research cancer center, concerned citizen, and former chronic pain patient. Moderate spinal canal stenosis with flattening of the ventral spinal cord C3-C4 and C5-C6 (7mm compressed to 4.6 mm @ C5-C6). Severe right neural foraminal narrowing at C3-C4. Cervical fusion C3-C4, C4-C5, C5-C6 in 2010. No, I am not an opioid user.
 
What does 'allied health professional' mean? And you recollection of you MRI of your cervical MRI report is amazingly vivid. Do you carry a copy of the report with you?
 
Clergyman & clinically trained chaplain (C.P.E. residency). I do, in fact, have a copy of my medical records - looked it up since you had asked for my diagnosis to make sure I remembered the MRI correctly. I have also had anatomy & physiology with lab, so I am not unfamiliar with the language. Even so, why should someone who lived with severe pain for 1.5 years, and spent six figures on surgery, epidural steroid injections, and a host of other treatment modalities not have a good recollection of the pathology found in their cervical spine?

And where does Richard Payne fit into the narrative of Foley and Portenoy launching an opioid overdose epidemic?
 
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Vivid recounting of imaging 'abnormalities' are a common part of the 'pain narrative' amongst people with age appropriate anatomy but disproportionate pain.

I did not watch the "Payne" vid but I will. More importantly, though, both Portenoy & Foley now - after launching an opioid epidemic amongst CNP pt' - now identify themselves as palliative care specialist.

Don't use your position to enable.
 
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Vivid recounting of imaging 'abnormalities' are a common part of the 'pain narrative' amongst people with age appropriate anatomy but disproportionate pain.

I did not watch the "Payne" vid but I will. More importantly, though, both Portenoy & Foley now - after launching an opioid epidemic amongst CNP pt' - now identify themselves as palliative care specialist.

Don't use your position to enable.
You can also blame spineless herd-brained doctors (that's all of us) for following like sheeple and agreeing to go along with it, and knowingly throwing out 2000 years of horrific human experience and knowledge about opium and other opiates. To blame everything on one or two people is to refuse to accept your/our own responsibility for following the herd and what you/we knew to be wrong and what people 2000 years ago, or a 100, or 40 years ago, could have told us about opiates.
 
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Vivid recounting of imaging 'abnormalities' are a common part of the 'pain narrative' amongst people with age appropriate anatomy but disproportionate pain.

There is no such thing as "age appropriate anatomy". This is a nonsesensical PROP talking point. Anatomy is either normal, or abnormal.

PROP uses this crap to deny elderly patients appropriate pain care. Of course, by extension, we would have age appropriate blood pressure, kidney function, and memory loss as well, and thus there would, be no need to treat those "normal for age" conditions.

Heck, even cancer is inevitable eventually. But if PROP had its way, there'd be no reason for radiation or chemo; after all, it's just an expected part of getting old.
 
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"PROP uses this crap to deny elderly patients appropriate pain care."

Explain how you came to this assertion.
 
Well, if you are going to describe their imaging as "age appropriate anatomy", and they have concordant pain, will you be offering care?

I noticed you didn't respond to my other points - should we just accept 180/95 as "age appropriate" blood pressure? A creatinine of 1.7 as "age appropriate" renal function? Or is it only "age approprite" when it relates to pain?
 
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Well, if you are going to describe their imaging as "age appropriate anatomy", will you be offering care?

I noticed you didn't respond to my other points - should we just accept 180/95 as "age appropriate" blood pressure? A creatinine of 1.7 as "age appropriate" renal function? Or is it only "age approprite" when it relates to pain?

Crotchety old man....Must have gotten age appropriate hair loss and wrinkles.
Unfused epiphyseal plates at age 5. How about age 30?

How about age matched controls without pain having disc herniation and DDD. Does that make you feel better if we use those terms? 6 of one, 1/2 dozen other.
 
Well, if you are going to describe their imaging as "age appropriate anatomy", will you be offering care? I noticed you didn't respond to my other points - should we just accept 180/95 as "age appropriate" blood pressure? A creatinine of 1.7 as "age appropriate" renal function? Or is it only "age approprite" when it relates to pain?

Peter, once ANY movement begins embracing non-evidence based garbage and unprovable mumbo-jumbo/moo-shu pork as an alternative to evidence-based pain care they've lost credibility. Through the lens of the population-based practitioner, the only thing that counts is money. There are NO credible spine care content experts in the PROP movement. All evidence-based pain physicians should ridicule the loonies who perpetuate "age-appropriate" this or that.
 
Anatomy is either normal, or abnormal. Abnormal anatomy, with concordant pain, warrants treatment.

Or are you and Dr. C advocating we just put you guys on an ice floe when you hit 65?
 
Careful Dave
No you are not the embodiment of evil. Your just a guy trolling for procedures under the guise of patient advocacy or empathy. I've called you out for advocating for discography & stim/RFA in injured workers and you don't like the heat. Get used to it because there is a lot more to come, & Nick ain't here to defend you.

Your type is too common in IPM.
You don't want to get lumped in with the likes of me!
 
Crotchety old man....Must have gotten age appropriate hair loss and wrinkles.
Unfused epiphyseal plates at age 5. How about age 30?

How about age matched controls without pain having disc herniation and DDD. Does that make you feel better if we use those terms? 6 of one, 1/2 dozen other.
I'm a pain doc. I don't treat imaging in isolation.
 
Anatomy is either normal, or abnormal. Abnormal anatomy, with concordant pain, warrants treatment.

Or are you and Dr. C advocating we just put you guys on an ice floe when you hit 65?

I'm for soylent green. By the time I'm that old the caps will have melted. And normal vs abnormal anatomy is nonsense. Anatomy changes with time and that does not make it abnormal. Anatomy has variants that are normal. Diss bulge, loose height, loose hydration. That is not abnormal anatomy. But it can cause findings on imaging that are perceived as abnormal by the less educated in regards to spine.
 
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Here is how it works : research changes policy, policy changes payment, payment changes practice.

Right? Don't we all know this...:)
That's how it SHOULD work. But when a lobbying group like PROP tries to shortcircuit the process and goes straight to the legislature, all bets are off
 
I'm for soylent green. By the time I'm that old the caps will have melted. And normal vs abnormal anatomy is nonsense. Anatomy changes with time and that does not make it abnormal. Anatomy has variants that are normal. Diss bulge, loose height, loose hydration. That is not abnormal anatomy. But it can cause findings on imaging that are perceived as abnormal by the less educated in regards to spine.
The minimizers among us might spew nonesense like that. Those of us who know better recognize that abnormal anatomy can be a pain generator. You ignore minimal, "age appropriate" imaging finding at your (and your patients') peril. Abnormal biomechanics, regardless of eitiology, can be a source of pain.
 
That's how it SHOULD work. But when a lobbying group like PROP tries to shortcircuit the process and goes straight to the legislature, all bets are off

Everyone knows that PROP is only trying to engage stakeholders, energize the pain medicine field, and involve patients in a careful, proactive discussion about the LIMITS of evidence-based medicine: Nothing like a good, spirited, transparent critique of the state of the art of pain care...forging alliances and building bridges to a better future for everyone...that's how I think of the movement...
 
Everyone knows that PROP is only trying to engage stakeholders, energize the pain medicine field, and involve patients in a careful, proactive discussion about the LIMITS of evidence-based medicine: Nothing like a good, spirited, transparent critique of the state of the art of pain care...forging alliances and building bridges to a better future for everyone...that's how I think of the movement...
Shouldn't that ALL be in violet?
 
For most working-aged adults with CNP a referral to IPM is
choosing unwisely.
 
The job of the pain physician needs to morph from being the back stabbing drug dealer to be the limiter of care. We need to be there to teach our patients to self actualize, to help them cope, and to get them more active. There is a role for procedures and medications. But these are not the top 2 things that ought to be done. Counseling, psychology, and ending the catastrophizing. We have been enabling and getting paid to do so, and the effect is miserable on society. Saying no is the most important thing we can do. No to procedures, no to a higher dose, no when not appropriate. And write down exactly why that is what we are doing in their chart and get that chart to their other providers.
 
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I'm not sure we need to limit care. But we need to limit unnecessary care and labeling with pseudo diagnoses for profit.
 
The job of the pain physician needs to morph from being the back stabbing drug dealer to be the limiter of care. We need to be there to teach our patients to self actualize, to help them cope, and to get them more active. There is a role for procedures and medications. But these are not the top 2 things that ought to be done. Counseling, psychology, and ending the catastrophizing. We have been enabling and getting paid to do so, and the effect is miserable on society. Saying no is the most important thing we can do. No to procedures, no to a higher dose, no when not appropriate. And write down exactly why that is what we are doing in their chart and get that chart to their other providers.
My job is to do what's best for my patient. I will leave it to you, UHC, Anthem, the Blues, etc, to limit care.
 
I'm not sure we need to limit care. But we need to limit unnecessary care and labeling with pseudo diagnoses for profit.
Could you provide us with a few examples of "pseudodiagnoses", oh great oracle?
 
Just curious, Dr. C - is it just a coincidence that you started advocating for the use of acupuncture, clinical psych, neuropsych, PT, and sleep as part of a multimodal approach at almost the exact same time you joined a clinic that offers those exact services? (https://www.corvallisclinic.com/services_specialties)
 
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The job of the pain physician needs to morph from being the back stabbing drug dealer to be the limiter of care. We need to be there to teach our patients to self actualize, to help them cope, and to get them more active. There is a role for procedures and medications. But these are not the top 2 things that ought to be done. Counseling, psychology, and ending the catastrophizing. We have been enabling and getting paid to do so, and the effect is miserable on society. Saying no is the most important thing we can do. No to procedures, no to a higher dose, no when not appropriate. And write down exactly why that is what we are doing in their chart and get that chart to their other providers.

That is very reasonable and true. That is not what bureaucrats are paying for....
 
Just curious, Dr. C - is it just a coincidence that you started advocating for the use of acupuncture, clinical psych, neuropsych, PT, and sleep as part of a multimodal approach at almost the exact same time you joined a clinic that offers those exact services? (https://www.corvallisclinic.com/services_specialties)

At least it is being done by a medically-trained practitioner and not a Noctor. I just hope she's not billing Medicaid...

https://www.corvallisclinic.com/providers/benie-pham-do
 
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There is no such thing as "age appropriate anatomy". This is a nonsesensical PROP talking point. Anatomy is either normal, or abnormal.

PROP uses this crap to deny elderly patients appropriate pain care. Of course, by extension, we would have age appropriate blood pressure, kidney function, and memory loss as well, and thus there would, be no need to treat those "normal for age" conditions.

Heck, even cancer is inevitable eventually. But if PROP had its way, there'd be no reason for radiation or chemo; after all, it's just an expected part of getting old.
Uhh, there IS age appropriate blood pressure and kidney function. Also heart function.
 
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There is a lot of money to be made by labeling normal radio graphic senescence as pathology. Facetogenic, discogenic, SI dysfunction...
 
There is a lot of money to be made by labeling normal radio graphic senescence as pathology. Facetogenic, discogenic, SI dysfunction...

Ditto for moo-shu pork!

http://kxan.com/2015/07/25/acupuncture-and-deep-massage-therapy-go-mainstream-in-central-texas/

"Acupuncture advocates point to studies that show it is effective in treating chronic pain, infertility, several women’s health issues, digestive and stress problems, post operative healing, and even allergies."

How often are people recommending it?

http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/...or-you-use-acupuncture-and-chiropractic/?_r=0

"Some patients who paid for the care privately may have been eligible for insurance coverage, said Dr. Charles Elder of the Kaiser Permanente Center for Health Research, the paper’s first author. “Alternative treatments work for a lot of patients,” he said, but communicating with your doctor is important. “If I don’t know what my patients are doing, I can’t advise them.”
 
There is a lot of money to be made by labeling normal radio graphic senescence as pathology. Facetogenic, discogenic, SI dysfunction...
I have a waiting list to become a patient accepted into my practice. So while you pathetically continue to attempt to impugne my character, please understand that it has almost no relation to reality or the facts on the ground.

This is consistent with your inability to even abide by the PROP guidelines you impose on others, so by all means, go right ahead trying to legitimize your venomous vitriol. I, for one, am underwhelmed.
 
There is a lot of money to be made by labeling normal radio graphic senescence as pathology. Facetogenic, discogenic, SI dysfunction...
Just out of curiosity (and I know you will ignore my request because you never feel the need to actually back up your BS), exactly what radiographic facetogenic pathology corresponds to clinical complaints? To my knowledge, there is zero literature to justify this. Facet symptoms are treated based on clinical findings, regardless what the imaging shows.
 
Going in to see one of my favorite patients. And therein lies the problem. Myelopathy, cervical and lumbar post-laminectomy syndrome. I was there when L3 got injured in the OR, I did his SCS, I did the revision after another surgery to extend is fusion. No aberrant behaviors or side effects. MSContin 100 tid, MSIR 30 QID prn. He is my lost generation. I can talk with him about the max safe dose and how we are just 300mg over....I may not be able to make myself force him to wean. He is college educated, works FT. I can present the info and wean xx mg per month over time. Going to see him and present the info.
 
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Just out of curiosity (and I know you will ignore my request because you never feel the need to actually back up your BS), exactly what radiographic facetogenic pathology corresponds to clinical complaints? To my knowledge, there is zero literature to justify this. Facet symptoms are treated based on clinical findings, regardless what the imaging shows.
Reviewed a consult. "Normal" MRI from radiologist. Pain doc said "severe facet degeneration on MRI".

2 sets of bilat 2 level FJI, then MBB, then RFA bilat 2 level. Repeated 1 month later because first one failed. Then discharged from practice. Total cost was $23,000. (And no, not HOPD but ASC).

I know this is not your practice, but Just saying...

FYI he still has back pain...
 
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Going in to see one of my favorite patients. And therein lies the problem. Myelopathy, cervical and lumbar post-laminectomy syndrome. I was there when L3 got injured in the OR, I did his SCS, I did the revision after another surgery to extend is fusion. No aberrant behaviors or side effects. MSContin 100 tid, MSIR 30 QID prn. He is my lost generation. I can talk with him about the max safe dose and how we are just 300mg over....I may not be able to make myself force him to wean. He is college educated, works FT. I can present the info and wean xx mg per month over time. Going to see him and present the info.

There is no safe dose. "If you're not tapering; you're harming."
 
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Reviewed a consult. "Normal" MRI from radiologist. Pain doc said "severe facet degeneration on MRI".

2 sets of bilat 2 level FJI, then MBB, then RFA bilat 2 level. Repeated 1 month later because first one failed. Then discharged from practice. Total cost was $23,000. (And no, not HOPD but ASC).

I know this is not your practice, but Just saying...

FYI he still has back pain...
So because some feral overuses, we should never do diagnostic mbb/facets?
 
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