Think medical school is for you? You’re probably wrong

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Interesting article: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/glob...for-you-youre-probably-wrong/article19609445/

Katherine Sinclair is an MSc. candidate in the department of history at the University of Oxford

Dear Aspiring Medical Student,

Congratulations on your near-perfect GPA and your MCAT scores. Kudos, also, on your impressive (if slightly boring) list of extra-curriculars, and your volunteer work.

If I remember correctly, you’ll be preparing your application this month. By the time of your interview (in February or March), you will have memorized ‘Doing Right’ (a guide to ethics for medical trainees). You’ll have bought a suit (because you didn’t already have one). Some polished shoes. You’ll wake up early.

You will do everything right because you are a perfectionist and you have deduced all the ‘correct’ answers. You’ll even have anticipated those questions which (they say) cannot be anticipated.

But if you’re like me, the most difficult questions that you will face during the application process will have nothing to do with your skills or qualifications.

The difficult questions will have to do with your motivation. “Why do you want to be a physician?”

And if you are serious about getting in, you’ll know that this is your cue to lie.

Because, we all know, the right answer is not the true answer.

“I want to be a physician because I want to help people” you say.

They nod, and stick a gold star on your application, but not before they ask the inevitable follow-up: “Why not be a nurse? Don’t nurses do just as much to help patients as doctors?”

“Hmm,” you falter, in mock surprise. “I guess I would rather be a physician because I want to be actively diagnosing patients, rather than simply administering treatments. I feel that my science background qualifies me to assume the broader work of managing a patient’s case in addition to their bedside care.”

This is the right answer – the one you’ve been trained to give – the one that conveniently omits all the other reasons that you want to join the Cult of Aesculapius.

Money.

Prestige.

Security.

These are the real reasons, though you’ll never hear candidates admit them.

Physicians (even aspiring ones) will do anything to maintain an illusion of martyrdom.

“We are not in it for the money,” they say. “We’re not like the financiers or the Bay Street Lawyers.”

Maybe they’re not. But they aren’t so different, either.

It would be ludicrous to claim that students don’t go to medical school for the money. It’s just that money is not the primary motivator. Fear is.

Medical students are not like other students. They are used to being the best, to being treated as if they are gifted (of course, many of them are gifted.)The thing with medical students is that most of them have never experienced failure. Not big failure, anyway. Maybe they got mono during their freshman year. Maybe they failed a test once, in the second grade. Still, they play it safe. Having achieved perfection in high school, their goal is simply not to mess it up. For this reason, they do not cope well with uncertainty. They want concrete rules that will make success a simple matter of obedience and effort.

Perhaps instinctively, medical students know that once they leave the artificial world of grades and prizes, there is nothing to separate them from their academically-less-gifted peers. Once they graduate, their ‘merit’ will no longer be judged according to familiar metrics. Their 4.0 averages will mean very little in the real world. In fact, students with poorer grades might actually outperform them. They might be better networkers, better coffee-getters, better elevator-pitchers. More importantly, they might have the real-world experience that medical students spend a lifetime in school avoiding.

Medical school is the easy answer. Once you are in, you are in, you can no longer fail. You can pack your stethoscope and check your baggage on a one-way trip to the upper-middle classes.

But medical school is only a deferral. Eventually, the real world catches up.

Toronto ER doctor Brian Goldman attributes burnout among medical residents (which he rates at 50 per cent) to systematic hostility in the hospital, where “it is possible to go years without hearing anyone say you’re doing well.”

Is this a symptom of hostility in the workplace? Or is this real life, finally catching up?

Most graduate interns (the coffee-getters, the phone-picker-uppers) would say that ‘thanklessness’ is part of the job description. Employers treat their interns just as badly as physicians treat their medical residents. The difference is that interns are prepared for hostility in the workplace whereas medical residents are not. And, unlike the average intern, they do not have the solace of ‘doing what they love.’ If they have entered the profession for the wrong reasons, the fault lines may not appear until they begin to work full-time in their late-twenties. By then, they will have invested four years and tens of thousands of dollars in their training. A change of mind is simply not an option.

So, dear aspiring medical student, before you pay that (rather hefty) application fee, ask yourself, “why am I doing this?” And be honest. Because the fact is, the leading cause of death among doctors under the age 35 is suicide. We could blame it on the hospitals, but we would be missing the wider truth. Your burnout starts here; when you apply for something you don’t actually want and then kill yourself chasing it.

Caring for the sick is a noble goal, but it should not be the de facto destination for all straight-A students. This is the brain drain that no one is talking about. We are losing a lot of talent. Medical residents and their patients are paying the price.

I can say this because, like you, I chased the medical school dream. And when I got the acceptance, I almost convinced myself that I had to go.

Good luck with your interviews.

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I get the impression that you hate your job, but then I realize that's not quite right. It's more that you think you're so... I don't know, special, or uniquely self-aware that all these other premeds are just totally clueless about anything. It's very interesting to see repeated on a daily basis.
 
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How self-aware can someone be at age 21, especially when the med school admissions process is so utterly consuming?!
 
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Eh. The same could be said about any number of careers. She (the author) seems like one to think doctors should be separated from the air of exceptionality society puts on them, yet she uses the very idea that doctors (and med students) are special in an attempt at rhetoric. I don't think she is as profound as she wants to come off as being.

The article is restating what has been preached ad nauseam on SDN for years.
 
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You realize that the author is a History grad student focusing on "20th Century Genetics in the Interwar Period" right? I'm not seeing much insight here that the average pre-med on SDN lacks.
 
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You realize that the author is a History grad student focusing on "20th Century Genetics in the Interwar Period" right? I'm not seeing much insight here that the average pre-med on SDN lacks.
For a second I thought the byline was a joke and that the article was going to be satire.
 
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Thumbs up for that title. I'm just amused.
 
You really think all premeds have a 4.0 and haven't experienced life or failure? I'm really glad that you didn't pursue medical school, partially because you clearly wanted to spend your life doing something else, and also because it would have been a shame to waist a desperately desired seat. It's pretty small-minded of you to assume that most aspiring doctors feel the same way you did.
 
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You realize that the author is a History grad student focusing on "20th Century Genetics in the Interwar Period" right? I'm not seeing much insight here that the average pre-med on SDN lacks.

I think she's just jelly and trying to make herself feel better for not pursuing med school when she had that acceptance in hand. :p
 
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Isn't burnout more prevalent in certain specialities?
My feeling is that the medical field is broad and can satisfy ppl with different preferences.
 
How self-aware can someone be at age 21, especially when the med school admissions process is so utterly consuming?!
There are people who can think and do medical school admissions at the same time.
 
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Isn't burnout more prevalent in certain specialities?
My feeling is that the medical field is broad and can satisfy ppl with different preferences.

More prevalent? Sure. However, you are going to see burnout in all specialties.
 
Good thing us non trads have experienced our fair share of failure and we know what we're getting into
 
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You realize that the author is a History grad student focusing on "20th Century Genetics in the Interwar Period" right? I'm not seeing much insight here that the average pre-med on SDN lacks.
Did you read the article? She was accepted to medical school. So obviously she's smarter than you are portraying her to be.
 
If she were really the iconoclast she's pretending to be, she could have done an MD/PhD in history. That would have been a combo that was maverick, interesting, and yes, I dare say, even employable. Now, alas, she'll be none of the above.
 
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If she were really the iconoclast she's pretending to be, she could have done an MD/PhD in history. That would have been a combo that was maverick, interesting, and yes, I dare say, even employable. Now, alas, she'll be none of the above.
Usually the PhD in an MD/PhD program has to be a science.
 
Did you read the article? She was accepted to medical school. So obviously she's smarter than you are portraying her to be.

Meh. I'd like to know why she didn't go to med school. She clearly didn't have all the "insight" she talked about in the article when she made the decision not to matriculate. The fodder for her article is either her own opinion from the outside or put together from complaints of people who have been through the process. Either way, it's nothing she's gone through personally. It's like she got accepted and chickened out, and now is trying to make pre-meds second guess themselves via a bitter article. Which is good, in a way, for pre-meds to realize that it's not going to be fun and games. But bad to generalize things in such a way that poorly portrays the process.
 
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Did you read the article? She was accepted to medical school. So obviously she's smarter than you are portraying her to be.

I know plenty of plebs who were accepted to "medical school". Doesn't mean $&?@.

The article reeks of over simplification, generalizations, and butthurt.
 
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Did you read the article? She was accepted to medical school. So obviously she's smarter than you are portraying her to be.

Yes, I read the article. I'm not sure what being smart has to do with anything. The fact that she was accepted doesn't really mean a whole lot. This is about knowing your author. She is a pre-med counseling premeds about whether medical school is worth it or not. Aren't you the one constantly telling pre-meds that they don't have standing to weigh in on certain debates? It is my personal opinion, but I'd love to hear thoughts on this topic and people digging into it, its very important. But, from a pre-med to tell people that they are "wrong" while really not having any foundation is not a good starting point.
 
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Did you read the article? She was accepted to medical school. So obviously she's smarter than you are portraying her to be.
Right she was accepted to med school, but never went to med school. Thus, like the average premed, she has zero first-hand knowledge of what it's like to be a med student.

EDIT: mimelim beat me to it.
 
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More prevalent? Sure. However, you are going to see burnout in all specialties.
And ppl from all walks of life experience burnout.
The author never attended med school. I'd rather hear about this from ppl that have gone through the process.

(And it looks like at least 2 others feel the same).
 
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Usually the PhD in an MD/PhD program has to be a science.
DV, you do realize that I'm an MD/PhD with a non-biomedical science PhD, right? :laugh:

The fact that most MD/PhDs do their PhDs in one of the biomedical sciences is exactly my point. I did mine in a physical science, which is unusual enough. It's even more uncommon for MD/PhDs to do humanity or social science PhDs, and that would be an unconventional pathway for her to have taken, a way for her to have really taken a road less traveled. But straight history degrees? The coffee shops, libraries, and bookstores of the country are full of people with those. Does no one else appreciate the irony of her calling out cookie cutter premeds?

FWIW, if anyone is interested, there are a few MD/PhDs in history out there. I'm in the midst of reading a book by a guy at NYU who did one. ("The Good Doctor" by Barron Lerner).
 
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Yes, I read the article. I'm not sure what being smart has to do with anything. The fact that she was accepted doesn't really mean a whole lot. This is about knowing your author. She is a pre-med counseling premeds about whether medical school is worth it or not. Aren't you the one constantly telling pre-meds that they don't have standing to weigh in on certain debates? It is my personal opinion, but I'd love to hear thoughts on this topic and people digging into it, its very important. But, from a pre-med to tell people that they are "wrong" while really not having any foundation is not a good starting point.
Or she has great insight into the reasons why people go into medicine.
 
DV, you do realize that I'm an MD/PhD with a non-biomedical science PhD, right? :laugh:

The fact that most MD/PhDs do their PhDs in one of the biomedical sciences is exactly my point. I did mine in a physical science, which is unusual enough. It's even more uncommon for MD/PhDs to do humanity or social science PhDs, and that would be an unconventional pathway for her to have taken, a way for her to have really taken a road less traveled. But straight history degrees? The coffee shops, libraries, and bookstores of the country are full of people with those. Does no one else appreciate the irony of her calling out cookie cutter premeds?

FWIW, if anyone is interested, there are a few MD/PhDs in history out there. I'm in the midst of reading a book by a guy at NYU who did one. ("The Good Doctor" by Barron Lerner).
My point is that it is unusual for an MD/PhD to do a PhD in History.
 
And ppl from all walks of life experience burnout.
The author never attended med school. I'd rather hear about this from ppl that have gone through the process.

(And it looks like at least 2 others feel the same).

Well, there have been quite a few physician surveys on burnout across all specialties, so this isn't new information. Of course, others experience burnout, but I don't think many people disagree that medicine tends to have higher rates of burnout than most professions.
 
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Or she has great insight into the reasons why people go into medicine.

Or reposted a standard pre-allo "why medicine" thread without really a whole lot to add other than, "I got in, I'm as good as you, but I'm not going." I think its reasonably written, definitely has some good stuff in there. But, so does my 14 year old brother in laws' book report on Grapes of Wrath. I'm still going to read Steinbeck.
 
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Or reposted a standard pre-allo "why medicine" thread without really a whole lot to add other than, "I got in, I'm as good as you, but I'm not going." I think its reasonably written, definitely has some good stuff in there. But, so does my 14 year old brother in laws' book report on Grapes of Wrath. I'm still going to read Steinbeck.
Yes, except that Steinbeck novel doesn't cost 6 figures, after which you can't turn back.
 
You really think all premeds have a 4.0 and haven't experienced life or failure? I'm really glad that you didn't pursue medical school, partially because you clearly wanted to spend your life doing something else, and also because it would have been a shame to waist a desperately desired seat. It's pretty small-minded of you to assume that most aspiring doctors feel the same way you did.
Who are you even talking to? You realize this was from an article and isn't the OP's original content, and even if it was, they are far beyond you in the path of being a physician.
 
Anyone who is all for single payer should read the employment report linked to in that second article. 16.6% of Canadian specialists can't find employment and a further 30 some odd percent pursue additional fellowships just to become more competitive in the marketplace. That's damn near 50% of specialists ending up not working post residency/fellowship.

http://www.royalcollege.ca/portal/p...documents/policy/employment_report_2013_e.pdf

Anyway, back to the topic at hand. I just found the report to be interesting. It really shows the road we're headed down.
 
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The lesson is that it's impossible to know if medicine is right for you until you're a physician. Unless you're the OP.
 
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For anyone currently studying for the MCAT verbal section, do you think that the author's tone is condescending, presumptuous or both?
 
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seems like some bull$hit boo hoo to me, someone just needs to sack up and shut up
 
The lesson is that it's impossible to know if medicine is right for you until you're a physician. Unless you're the OP.

I think you can know that medicine isn't for you without being a physician (which I'm assuming is the author's situation). Knowing that you will like being a physician is probably a lot harder unless you have experienced it.
 
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Some valid comments and observations that she has had, but the article has painted pre-meds in a very generalized way, which is not accurate at all.

Though I will say, the "going to school to continue academics and delay the real-world" rings a bit true. I am a student in nature, but good thing I've had real world experience in college.
 
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"It would be ludicrous to claim that students don’t go to medical school for the money. It’s just that money is not the primary motivator. Fear is."

"Medical students are not like other students. They are used to being the best, to being treated as if they are gifted (of course, many of them are gifted.)The thing with medical students is that most of them have never experienced failure. Not big failure, anyway. Maybe they got mono during their freshman year. Maybe they failed a test once, in the second grade. Still, they play it safe. Having achieved perfection in high school, their goal is simply not to mess it up. For this reason, they do not cope well with uncertainty. They want concrete rules that will make success a simple matter of obedience and effort."


These are all hilariously extreme generalizations that do not speak well to the demography of medical students today nor her skill as a writer. Oh and her MANY comments on pre-med not understanding the real world? I wonder why the number of non-trads is rising as well. I hope she's enjoying "the real world" while pursuing that MSc.
 
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This is so hilarious. OP is trying to justify her reason for choosing dermatology since real medicine was too hard for her and now she's posting some random ass article written by some random butt hurt graduate student trying to convince herself she's all that.

Moral of the story. If your going to be a wimp in real life, your going to be a wimp in medicine. Medicine isn't for little girls with 4.0's.
 
^^^troll^^^




I would agree that majority of incoming freshmen who think that they want to be doctors are wrong in their aspirations and won't make it anyway. However, people on SDN aren't average pre-meds who have next to no idea what they are getting into.
 
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This is so hilarious. OP is trying to justify her reason for choosing dermatology since real medicine was too hard for her and now she's posting some random ass article written by some random butt hurt graduate student trying to convince herself she's all that.

Moral of the story. If your going to be a wimp in real life, your going to be a wimp in medicine. Medicine isn't for little girls with 4.0's.

You clearly have no idea what derm entails.
 
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This is so hilarious. OP is trying to justify her reason for choosing dermatology since real medicine was too hard for her and now she's posting some random ass article written by some random butt hurt graduate student trying to convince herself she's all that.

Moral of the story. If your going to be a wimp in real life, your going to be a wimp in medicine. Medicine isn't for little girls with 4.0's.
Try trolling harder. The article is not me. And I'm a male. As far as what is real medicine, it would make sense if it wasn't coming from someone questioning about doing plastic surgery research.
 
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This is so hilarious. OP is trying to justify her reason for choosing dermatology since real medicine was too hard for her and now she's posting some random ass article written by some random butt hurt graduate student trying to convince herself she's all that.

Moral of the story. If your going to be a wimp in real life, your going to be a wimp in medicine. Medicine isn't for little girls with 4.0's.
First off, DV is a dude.

Second, I'd chill with the personal assaults. DV is a solid contributor to this forum that was posting an interesting article for debate and dissection.
 
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You really think all premeds have a 4.0 and haven't experienced life or failure? I'm really glad that you didn't pursue medical school, partially because you clearly wanted to spend your life doing something else, and also because it would have been a shame to waist a desperately desired seat. It's pretty small-minded of you to assume that most aspiring doctors feel the same way you did.
:smack: oh and it's "waste" and not waist.
 
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