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Current CA-2 beginning the job hunt, looking for non AMC private practice track.
Checkout northwell anesthesia. Not Napa or true pp but I’ve heard good things.
How is working for a large organization as an employee ever a good thing? You're just a gruntCheckout northwell anesthesia. Not Napa or true pp but I’ve heard good things.
This is the case for most places in New York and I don’t think that’s necessarily bad just depends on what you want out of the job/careerHow is working for a large organization as an employee ever a good thing? You're just a grunt
I had inquired into one of the Northwell positions at one of their hospitals, they said they're a "lifestyle" group and value free time, their hours are 7a to 6pm at the least on weekdays and then call. In my head I'm wondering how the hell is that a lifestyle job... In my current gig that would be equivalent to being 1st or 2nd call every dayThis is the case for most places in New York and I don’t think that’s necessarily bad just depends on what you want out of the job/career
One mans call is another man's lifestyle. NYC docs have been deluded into working low paying jobs and being told its the norm. I cant imagine how little they save compared to anesthesiologists in other parts of the country when so much goes to housing and property taxes/state taxes.I had inquired into one of the Northwell positions at one of their hospitals, they said they're a "lifestyle" group and value free time, their hours are 7a to 6pm at the least on weekdays and then call. In my head I'm wondering how the hell is that a lifestyle job... In my current gig that would be equivalent to being 1st or 2nd call every day
1) Spouses with high paying jobsOne mans call is another man's lifestyle. NYC docs have been deluded into working low paying jobs and being told its the norm. I cant imagine how little they save compared to anesthesiologists in other parts of the country when so much goes to housing and property taxes/state taxes.
It’s all “relative”! Lol.I had inquired into one of the Northwell positions at one of their hospitals, they said they're a "lifestyle" group and value free time, their hours are 7a to 6pm at the least on weekdays and then call. In my head I'm wondering how the hell is that a lifestyle job... In my current gig that would be equivalent to being 1st or 2nd call every day
When do you normally get out on a non call/late day?I had inquired into one of the Northwell positions at one of their hospitals, they said they're a "lifestyle" group and value free time, their hours are 7a to 6pm at the least on weekdays and then call. In my head I'm wondering how the hell is that a lifestyle job... In my current gig that would be equivalent to being 1st or 2nd call every day
3-4PMWhen do you normally get out on a non call/late day?
Anywhere from before noon to maybe 5 latest at hospital and ASCs. If really busy day at ASC then could be 5 to 7p (this is where the bulk of our money comes from so good to be there and get units). Hoping that once enough staff come back on board we can improve precall\post call being offWhen do you normally get out on a non call/late day?
Trust me, I'm inhaling what you're smoking because long days aren't my jam either, but the devil's advocate in me also chuckles a bit when a good majority of professionals in this world work 8-12 hr days and we clutch our pearls when a job has you working similar hours. I say this all tongue in cheek. There are certainly many respondents on here who will say they make 600k leaving everyday a 1pm and maybe they do, but I wouldn't write off a gig as 'non-lifestyle' if they work until 6pm everyday. I think it more depends on call frequency (both weekday and weekend) and "Am I working post call?" is where jobs interfere with lifestyle. I'd call a 7a-6pm with 2 call a month still a "lifestyle" job.I had inquired into one of the Northwell positions at one of their hospitals, they said they're a "lifestyle" group and value free time, their hours are 7a to 6pm at the least on weekdays and then call. In my head I'm wondering how the hell is that a lifestyle job... In my current gig that would be equivalent to being 1st or 2nd call every day
Trust me, I'm inhaling what you're smoking because long days aren't my jam either, but the devil's advocate in me also chuckles a bit when a good majority of professionals in this world work 8-12 hr days and we clutch our pearls when a job has you working similar hours. I say this all tongue in cheek. There are certainly many respondents on here who will say they make 600k leaving everyday a 1pm and maybe they do, but I wouldn't write off a gig as 'non-lifestyle' if they work until 6pm everyday. I think it more depends on call frequency (both weekday and weekend) and "Am I working post call?" is where jobs interfere with lifestyle. I'd call a 7a-6pm with 2 call a month still a "lifestyle" job.
Trust me, I'm inhaling what you're smoking because long days aren't my jam either, but the devil's advocate in me also chuckles a bit when a good majority of professionals in this world work 8-12 hr days and we clutch our pearls when a job has you working similar hours. I say this all tongue in cheek. There are certainly many respondents on here who will say they make 600k leaving everyday a 1pm and maybe they do, but I wouldn't write off a gig as 'non-lifestyle' if they work until 6pm everyday. I think it more depends on call frequency (both weekday and weekend) and "Am I working post call?" is where jobs interfere with lifestyle. I'd call a 7a-6pm with 2 call a month still a "lifestyle" job.
There are a lot of professions that consistently work 8-12 hour days (lawyer immediately comes to mind) and some don't get paid nearly as well as we do, while others possible laugh at our income and lack of bonuses. There's a lot of nuance in all of this but a 60 hr work week for a professional (MD, JD, MBA) is not an unusual thing. I wouldn't be shock if a private practice in a major city like NYC has long days just because the sheer volume is going to be higher than other places.If you left at 6pm everyday that would mean at you’re the last person on the relief list everyday at my job. Working 7a - 6pm everyday is not sustainable and majority of professionals in other other industries to not work 11 hours a day with overnight call mixed in.
Totally agree lots of JD and MBA types out there hustle a ton too but they get rewarded much better for their efforts and retain a plausible ownership stake in their destiny. They sure as hell aren't doing a ton of work for near free (e.g. medicaid and no-pay patients) or taking call for near free. Their time is billed and paid at hundreds per hour. They also aren't doing nonsensical stuff like sharing a room with coworkers to attend a conference where they present because their sad CME fund is $2000 or zero.There are a lot of professions that consistently work 8-12 hour days (lawyer immediately comes to mind) and some don't get paid nearly as well as we do, while others possible laugh at our income and lack of bonuses. There's a lot of nuance in all of this but a 60 hr work week for a professional (MD, JD, MBA) is not an unusual thing. I wouldn't be shock if a private practice in a major city like NYC has long days just because the sheer volume is going to be higher than other places.
i agree with all of thisTotally agree lots of JD and MBA types out there hustle a ton too and they but they get rewarded much better for their efforts and retain a plausible ownership stake in their destiny. They sure as hell aren't doing a ton of work for near free (e.g. medicaid and no-pay patients) or taking call for near free. Their time is billed and paid at hundreds per hour. They also aren't doing nonsensical stuff like sharing a room with coworkers to attend a conference where they present because their sad CME fund is $2000 or zero.
That said those JD and MBA types are in a soulless rat race and often don't have anything near the happiness we get from helping patients, so I'll take our job over theirs no question. But I still spite our overall setup for lacking the financial and administrative supports that other professional workers have.
Do you think that’s a common W2 base hourly pay? Mine’s certainly less (less for overtime too).55-60hrs/week of non-call work plus call is a ton of work and should be well compensated.
If base pay is $200/hr, 60 hrs /week is $12k/week.
We have occasional 12hr days but we make up for with equally frequent 2-4hr days and days off.
Do you think that’s a common W2 base hourly pay? Mine’s certainly less (less for overtime too).
1) Spouses with high paying jobs
2) Many do not live in NYC, or if they do they live in a Borough or Westchester, especially if they have children
3) Single. 300k salary can actually get you pretty far as a single person in Manhattan. Everyone (just about) moves when the kid shows up, unless they have family money and especially if they want to own
Do you think that’s a common W2 base hourly pay? Mine’s certainly less (less for overtime too).
Exactly, what's the point of working like a dog if you don't get to see your family and kids grow up. I'd rather make a little less and work decent hours to be able to be at home before bed time for my kid.Just do the math on your hourly wage if you are employed and working 7a-6p everyday with some amount of call on top. Assuming 6-8 weeks of vacation, I would want to be approaching and clearing $700k at that workload. If not, I’d be moving on for greener pastures. At that workload, I would never see my young kids, as I would be out the door before they woke up and home as they were getting ready for bed. No thanks.
You have the 2nd Shxttiest job on SDN. #1 honor belongs to anbuitachi.Do you think that’s a common W2 base hourly pay? Mine’s certainly less (less for overtime too).