The local medical university in my state did a study where they estimated the percent of people in my state that have either had COVID or have been vaccinated. It was over 70% in many counties, and that was a month ago.
I don't think he/she was saying that, but I agree with you. The vaccines have been hugely helpful where they've been widely given. You're still my favorite woke virtue-signaling liberal, though.
This was best portrayed in The Holy Grail. "Bring out yer dead!"
I definitely believe this, and I'm guessing it's more or less the same across the country (vermont likely had the lowest prevalence of infection but has had a great vaccine drive).
Sure which is why (thankfully) I haven't had to worry about my kids during all of this.
I think that's likely the result of all the Christmas family super spreader events having all been diagnosed by early January more than anything. After the holidays, we went back to how things were in summer/early Fall.
They're going to tell you something about statistics showing "it's still possible" to get COVID if you've been vaccinated, which technically is true. It's an overreaction in my opinion, because the risk is negligible and the risk of serious disease is even less. I'm ready to move on with life post COVID-hysteria. Some people are not. I think COVID has unearthed significant mental illness in people that were better able to hide it, pre-pandemic.
If science is correct and Vax people have essentially zero risks of getting complicated Covid, the issue most will come up with is you still can get it/be a carrier/infect others who are not vaccinated.
The greater the number of unvaccinated people you allow into your store --> greater number of potentially infected and infectious people --> greater chance that some of your staff get sick. As you pointed out, the vaccine is 95%, not 100% effective.
Thank you! Glad you said it's not logical. I have no issue with private business owners doing whatever they want. I'm free to not visit their establishments. The issue is when big tech, and big businesses that you can't avoid doing business with start making illogical demands and rules.
I can't like this enough.
"If you don't like that I drive drunk, just stay off the roads"
No? Your (generic you, not you personally) stupid choices put me at risk in both scenarios (and in both scenarios the risk is still quite small) and the equally stupid "if you're scared don't leave the house" applies to both.
These are the kind of people I like to avoid. Seriously impossible to discuss anything because the extreme cases will be used.
Huh?
Vast majority of drunk driving accidents aren't fatal either.
FTFY
Yes, everyone get the vaccine so COVID will go away. Where a mask still, if you choose. Control what you can control. At the same time, people would be best served by stopping the hysteria over things they can't control, like what other people are doing. Viruses are going to be here. Life goes on.
I don't think you've exactly nailed the issue. There are people like me who don't want to make adjustments in our lives based on THEORETICAL risks that may never materialize. If the vaccine works, my argument is that we need to get rid of the fear, nonsense, and controlling people's behavior. I shouldn't drive a car either based on the real (not theoretical) risk that I might lose control and kill a pedestrian.
I think you're last statement is accurate, although I would argue that many, if not most, are willing to change their decisions based on the level of inconvenience vs danger.
Are water fountains closed? I haven't noticed, but I'm now realizing that I am never looking for water fountains, since I am one of those folks who is always lugging some water around with me.
Anecdotes are not evidence. None of this in any way suggest widespread long-term negative effects from the vaccines.
Exactly.
There were a few restaurants that closed down temporarily in my area due to super-spreaders. I'd worry about the loss of business from a person spreading an infectious disease and driving away my clientele; I would probably take whatever unreasonable steps to mitigate that.
Distancing parties and frequent cleaning to limit droplet transmission would suffice for the most part. Air scavenging would deal with the remaining indoors occupation danger due to SARS-CoV-2 aerosols, whether patrons are vaccinated or not. Were I a restaurateur, air scavenging is what I would have invested in during 2020 to mitigate the future risk to my clientele and business. This would remove the politics of mask vs. mask less or vaxx vs. vaxxless from the consideration, and allow the patrons to enjoy their meals and relaxation without controversy. And there would then be no public health reason to close down with that in place.
It’s typical mechanical engineering sorcery.
I LOL-ed at this. Air or gas scavenging practice is quite common in anesthesiology and veterinary applications, too...whether you (meaning a general person, not you in particular) get the underlying mechanics or not is unimportant. Fact is, it works.
Is this one of those things where any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic?
When I was on ortho when I was a resident, one of the surgeons was describing to a pt what was going to happen with their surgery for total knee replacement. As he went on, he then said "And then we'll sprinkle on some magic dust", with the requisite odd look from the pt. He then said that "to describe the growth factors is a 65 minute lecture, so we just call it magic dust". The pt was satisfied.
doesn't nearly every hospital require the flu vaccine? everyone around here does.
That sounds like an expensive technology. How much would that run your average business owner?
