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What Do Employed Physicians Have to Do to Get Ahead?
Leigh Page
|November 18, 2015
Employed Physicians Who Want to Be Leaders
Some doctors want nothing more than to spend all their time seeing patients. Others have visions and ambitions of taking on a leadership role, whether in a hospital, healthcare system, or their own large group practice. Motivations vary: Some of these physicians want to have more control of the system; others want more money that a higher position or more responsibility may bring. But the path from a sole focus on clinical patient care to administrative leadership is not always clear, and the ascent is not certain. Here's how some physicians have moved up in the organization.
An Option for Physicians Who Want It
Many employed doctors aren't initially interested in moving into roles outside of clinical medicine, according to Peter Angood, MD, president and CEO of the American Association for Physician Leadership in Tampa, Florida (formerly the American College of Physician Executives). "It can be paradoxical," Dr Angood says. "Physicians often seek employment to get away from bureaucracy and focus on clinical activities, but getting into administrative work involves setting aside clinical work." Also, you may have to deal with the rules and regulations you were trying to escape.
However, Dr Angood says administrative work can be very rewarding and is often closely related to clinical activities. When you're trying to find ways to improve infection rates or integrate a group practice into the system, for example, "you're still pursuing your clinical work, but on a larger stage," he says.
Brooke Buckley, MD, chief of the division of general surgery at 380-bed Anne Arundel Medical Center in Annapolis, Maryland, also finds that many employed doctors aren't interested in administrative jobs. She thinks this runs counter to their self-interest. "It behooves us to participate in the system," she says. "Administrative decisions affect your clinical practice, and these decisions often involve input from committees where doctors serve."
Employed physicians in hospitals, health systems, or group practices can tackle a variety of work beyond their clinical duties that might make their jobs more rewarding and could lead to full-time administrative positions.
These opportunities often start with serving on a committee or council and taking on a project, such as reducing infections or helping clinicians become more efficient. From there, you might go on to more substantial roles, such as heading a local group of employed doctors, chairing a division or department, serving on the board of a medical practice, becoming an officer on the hospital medical staff, or serving as a physician representative in a physician-hospital organization. Beyond that, the sky's the limit. You might even become CEO of the whole organization—a position that is increasingly common for physicians to hold.
Doctors Surprised That They Enjoyed Administration
Some current physician-leaders actually had no plans to get involved in administrative functions in their careers. Timothy Jahn, MD, chief clinical officer at Baptist Health in Kentucky, did not intend to go into administration when he stopped serving as an emergency physician in the Navy and joined a large emergency medicine group practice in Wisconsin. But as a newcomer to the group, his shifts in the emergency department (ED) kept changing. "It was wreaking havoc on my sleep patterns," he recalls.
For some respite, Dr Jahn turned to the administrative side of the practice, and he found he liked the work. He served as treasurer of the board and founded its audit committee. He also chaired a committee dealing with the group's retirement plan, which had assets worth more than $100 million.
Dr Jahn then moved on to work at a healthcare system, where he oversaw ED operations at one of its hospitals. "I realized I could make a difference for a few patients as an emergency physician, but as an administrator, I could have an impact on 300,000 ED patients a year."
In contrast, other employed physicians set their sights on the administrative track from the get-go. "I see myself in a physician-leader role within a medical group or as the chief medical officer," says 36-year-old Michael Hanak, MD, an employed family physician at Rush University Medical Center in Chicago, who is just starting his career.
"It helps if you can define your goals early," he says. "That allows you more time to focus your energies on the skills and experiences that will help you pursue them." His interests include clinical informatics, quality improvement, and population health.
Dr Hanak has moved ahead rather quickly. Like many young physicians, he joined a key committee: the medical center's quality committee. The committee chair moved on a year and a half later, and Dr Hanak was named interim chair and then full chair. "It was a matter of timing," he said. "It doesn't usually work out that way."
Working on Committees
Dr Hanak says newcomers serving on a committee or council need to be patient and hard-working. "When you're starting out, it's hard for people to take your opinions as fact. It's important to act as a sponge—to do as much learning as possible," he says.
The next step is taking on a project, such as finding ways to reduce hypertension rates. "This will earn you more attention," Dr Hanak says. "Small successes lead to bigger roles. They get you the opportunity to be heard."
Employed physicians working on committees are often allowed to work fewer clinical hours. They may be allowed to see fewer patients or log fewer relative value units, Dr Buckley says. "That's an advantage employed physicians have over self-employed physicians on staff," she says. "They have to give up time from their practice to join a committee."
Dr Hanak adds that if you are assigned a project, you might also get extra compensation for meeting specific measurable goals, such as a reduction in hypertension rates. He says the promise of extra payment might involve signing a written agreement.
Dr Angood recommends initially serving on a committee to see whether the work appeals to you. "If you decide you don't like it, you can go back to full-time clinical work," he says. For many doctors, he says, committee work is as far as they want to go outside of their clinical duties, but they may be comfortable doing it for years.
You Need to Have a Certain Skill Set
Working on a committee, interacting with other parts of the organization, and ultimately taking on an administrative role require a certain skill set, according to Linda Komnick, who recruits physician-executives for Witt/Kieffer, an executive search firm.
"You need what we call 'soft skills,'" she says. "You have to have the ability to communicate effectively and persuasively and to deal with organizational politics. You have to understand how to motivate others and know how to inspire and empower others. And you need to know how to build a consensus across a broad spectrum of constituent groups."
Soft skills are essential for an administrative post, Dr Jahn says. "You're the interface between the administration and physicians," he says. "You can't be a bull in a china shop." The physician-administrator is "the change agent," he explains. Many rank-and-file physicians are wary of the changes going on throughout healthcare, such as healthcare IT; greater use of population health management; and new payment mechanisms, such as bundled payments. "As a physician-administrator, you need to be willing to deal with those changes and explain them to others," he says.
As you move up the leadership ladder, having a mentor can help, Dr Angood advises. "Mentors can be peers, nonclinical administrators, or doctors who are already in administration," he says. "They can help you understand the environment, learn how to balance clinical and leadership roles, or provide confidential feedback on your performance." His association offers a mentorship-matching program. "Like in a dating service, prospective mentors and protégés fill out questionnaires to find the right fit," he says.
Working With Others Helps Build Leadership Skills
Many physicians looking to get ahead get a master's degree in business administration (MBA) or degrees that closely fit a physician-administrator's work, such as the certified physician executive (CPE) degree awarded by Dr Angood's association.
But Dr Jahn doesn't view such degrees as all that important. "They're not hiring you because of your MBA," he says. "It's because of your medical background." He has a CPE degree, but it took him 25 years to earn it, owing to his busy schedule. He says he was more interested in the courses than in the degree itself—courses on such issues as quality of care and malpractice.
In fact, most physician executives don't have a business degree. In a 2010 Witt/Kieffer survey of healthcare CEOs,[1] only 30% said their most senior physician-leader has a business or medical management degree, but 21% of the positions required a degree. However, Komnick says a degree can help. "Experience is more important than having an MBA, but having both is even better," she says.
Although courses toward a degree can provide a great deal of useful knowledge, working directly with others is still the best way to gain leadership skills, according to Dr Hanak. For example, he just finished a 1-year term as chair of the Young Physicians Section of the American Medical Association.
In a county, state, or national medical society, "you have an opportunity to build personal relationships with peers and mentors and learn leadership skills," he says. "You gain the ability to adapt, which is probably one of the more important qualities of leadership. Also, you begin to think in terms of the big picture. It's hard to see the big picture when you're spending 95% of your time in clinical practice."
Dr Buckley has also taken a leadership role in organized medicine. Since joining the Maryland State Medical Society, known as MedChi, she has developed an expertise in state legislation and has formed relationships with several legislators. At age 39, she is currently serving as MedChi's president-elect.
Time to Step Up to the Plate
In order to move ahead with your career, "they say you need to be available, affable, and able," Dr Buckley says. She remembers that when she was a member of the American Medical Association Resident and Fellow Section, she didn't follow that advice. Burdened with the long hours of a surgery resident, she was checking her emails only every 3 or 4 days. "I missed several important email exchanges and was perceived as uninterested," she says. Her work for the group stalled.
Now she makes a point of being available for projects. In her current position at Anne Arundel, she and other physicians noticed that a lot of patients with gastrointestinal bleeding were getting lost in the system and not always getting the care they needed. The physicians got together and put together a protocol to deal with these patients. "I was the only one taking notes, and so I was nominated to write a draft protocol," she says. She then became the go-to person on gastrointestinal bleeding.
Dr Buckley has also learned to take advantage of fleeting opportunities. Shortly after she joined an acute care group at Anne Arundel, the hospital was looking for a doctor to run the group. "They wanted someone who was dual-boarded in surgery and surgical critical care," she says. She is boarded only in surgery but asked to apply anyway. "I said, 'Look, I think I can do this.'" She got the job.
For Dr Buckley, being available at Anne Arundel and MedChi means that she has to carefully arrange her personal life. She is married with three small children, but she has a nanny and can do a lot of her writing work at night, when the kids are asleep. All of the family's meals are ordered out, a service cuts her grass, and she lives 1 minute away from the hospital. "It's all about having a village," she says. When she gets called away on MedChi business, her coworkers have agreed to swap work with her.
You Might Have to Make a Hard Decision
So far, Dr Buckley says, administration has been "just a side job" in her career. At her small hospital, there's no stipend for being chief of the general surgery division. "Making extra money only comes when you become a full-time administrator," she says. "I regard this as an educational phase."
She says she'll soon have to decide whether she wants to become a full-time administrator. Many hospitals, she says, won't allow full-time administrators to continue clinical care, and she is not sure she wants to give that up. This seems to be a bigger problem for surgeons, who must perform a minimum number of surgeries to stay proficient. Administrators who are primary care physicians are often allowed to spend half a day a week or so seeing patients.
Dr Jahn doesn't see patients anymore, but he still wants to keep his ties with clinical medicine. His board certification is expiring soon, and he plans to take his boards again. As an administrator, "being board-certified is important for your credibility," he says.
Dr Hanak says physicians starting on an administrative track need to focus their interests on what they plan to do. Family physicians who want to be a department chair, for example, would focus early in their career on matters in family medicine, but a family physician who wants a wider role would have to keep up with other specialties, he says.
Not every doctor would like being an administrator, Dr Jahn says. He works long hours—perhaps longer than most administrators. He's in the office from 8 AM to 6 PM. Then he goes home and spends time with his family for 3 hours and works at home from 9 PM to midnight, mostly answering emails. He gets 150-200 emails a day. He also has to travel, but "I'm OK with that," he says. He drives to the Baptist Health hospitals and clinics around Kentucky—racking up 45,000 miles in less than 2 years—and he flies about two to three times a month.
Burgeoning Opportunities
Administrative opportunities for physicians are opening up—especially in hospitals, which need more physician-leaders to liaise with all the doctors they've been hiring, and to deal with new payment policies that require a close familiarity with clinical care.
"The Affordable Care Act has increased demand for healthcare delivery models that require a deep understanding of clinical care, and they often depend on physician-leaders for help with implementation," Dr Angood says.
Witt/Kieffer's 2010 survey of healthcare CEOs revealed positions that were virtually nonexistent in its 2000 survey, such as chief quality officer, chief executive of employed physician groups, chief medical informatics officer, chief clinical integration officer, and chief operations officer.
Komnick says recruiters are straining to fill the demand. "Many qualified physician-administrators are looking at three or four opportunities at the same time," she says, adding: "Organizations are accepting lower levels of qualification than they used to." More than one third of CEOs in the Witt/Kieffer survey said their most senior physician executive had less than 2 years' experience on the senior management team.
In addition, more organizations are looking for physician-CEOs, according to Dr Angood. Most of the hospitals on the US News & World Report honor roll, he says, are physician-led. "Hospitals are looking for physician-leaders because they have a double-edged benefit: They have administrative skills, and they understand how the organization can provide better patient care," he says.
Faced with a growing need for physician-leaders, many health systems provide leadership and management training on site, Dr Angood says. Some of them contract with his group to provide this training. He adds that around one half of healthcare organizations pay for in-house training or outside degree programs for certain physicians.
Conclusion
Getting ahead in a healthcare organization can involve limited steps, such as joining committees or taking on a specific project. Or it can involve full-time work in a growing number of positions in the organization. In any case, it will require interpersonal and leadership skills that you may have to develop. For the right kind of person, this work can be very rewarding.
References
Medscape Business of Medicine © 2015 WebMD, LLC
What Do Employed Physicians Have to Do to Get Ahead?
Leigh Page
|November 18, 2015
Employed Physicians Who Want to Be Leaders
Some doctors want nothing more than to spend all their time seeing patients. Others have visions and ambitions of taking on a leadership role, whether in a hospital, healthcare system, or their own large group practice. Motivations vary: Some of these physicians want to have more control of the system; others want more money that a higher position or more responsibility may bring. But the path from a sole focus on clinical patient care to administrative leadership is not always clear, and the ascent is not certain. Here's how some physicians have moved up in the organization.
An Option for Physicians Who Want It
Many employed doctors aren't initially interested in moving into roles outside of clinical medicine, according to Peter Angood, MD, president and CEO of the American Association for Physician Leadership in Tampa, Florida (formerly the American College of Physician Executives). "It can be paradoxical," Dr Angood says. "Physicians often seek employment to get away from bureaucracy and focus on clinical activities, but getting into administrative work involves setting aside clinical work." Also, you may have to deal with the rules and regulations you were trying to escape.
However, Dr Angood says administrative work can be very rewarding and is often closely related to clinical activities. When you're trying to find ways to improve infection rates or integrate a group practice into the system, for example, "you're still pursuing your clinical work, but on a larger stage," he says.
Brooke Buckley, MD, chief of the division of general surgery at 380-bed Anne Arundel Medical Center in Annapolis, Maryland, also finds that many employed doctors aren't interested in administrative jobs. She thinks this runs counter to their self-interest. "It behooves us to participate in the system," she says. "Administrative decisions affect your clinical practice, and these decisions often involve input from committees where doctors serve."
Employed physicians in hospitals, health systems, or group practices can tackle a variety of work beyond their clinical duties that might make their jobs more rewarding and could lead to full-time administrative positions.
These opportunities often start with serving on a committee or council and taking on a project, such as reducing infections or helping clinicians become more efficient. From there, you might go on to more substantial roles, such as heading a local group of employed doctors, chairing a division or department, serving on the board of a medical practice, becoming an officer on the hospital medical staff, or serving as a physician representative in a physician-hospital organization. Beyond that, the sky's the limit. You might even become CEO of the whole organization—a position that is increasingly common for physicians to hold.
Doctors Surprised That They Enjoyed Administration
Some current physician-leaders actually had no plans to get involved in administrative functions in their careers. Timothy Jahn, MD, chief clinical officer at Baptist Health in Kentucky, did not intend to go into administration when he stopped serving as an emergency physician in the Navy and joined a large emergency medicine group practice in Wisconsin. But as a newcomer to the group, his shifts in the emergency department (ED) kept changing. "It was wreaking havoc on my sleep patterns," he recalls.
For some respite, Dr Jahn turned to the administrative side of the practice, and he found he liked the work. He served as treasurer of the board and founded its audit committee. He also chaired a committee dealing with the group's retirement plan, which had assets worth more than $100 million.
Dr Jahn then moved on to work at a healthcare system, where he oversaw ED operations at one of its hospitals. "I realized I could make a difference for a few patients as an emergency physician, but as an administrator, I could have an impact on 300,000 ED patients a year."
In contrast, other employed physicians set their sights on the administrative track from the get-go. "I see myself in a physician-leader role within a medical group or as the chief medical officer," says 36-year-old Michael Hanak, MD, an employed family physician at Rush University Medical Center in Chicago, who is just starting his career.
"It helps if you can define your goals early," he says. "That allows you more time to focus your energies on the skills and experiences that will help you pursue them." His interests include clinical informatics, quality improvement, and population health.
Dr Hanak has moved ahead rather quickly. Like many young physicians, he joined a key committee: the medical center's quality committee. The committee chair moved on a year and a half later, and Dr Hanak was named interim chair and then full chair. "It was a matter of timing," he said. "It doesn't usually work out that way."
Working on Committees
Dr Hanak says newcomers serving on a committee or council need to be patient and hard-working. "When you're starting out, it's hard for people to take your opinions as fact. It's important to act as a sponge—to do as much learning as possible," he says.
The next step is taking on a project, such as finding ways to reduce hypertension rates. "This will earn you more attention," Dr Hanak says. "Small successes lead to bigger roles. They get you the opportunity to be heard."
Employed physicians working on committees are often allowed to work fewer clinical hours. They may be allowed to see fewer patients or log fewer relative value units, Dr Buckley says. "That's an advantage employed physicians have over self-employed physicians on staff," she says. "They have to give up time from their practice to join a committee."
Dr Hanak adds that if you are assigned a project, you might also get extra compensation for meeting specific measurable goals, such as a reduction in hypertension rates. He says the promise of extra payment might involve signing a written agreement.
Dr Angood recommends initially serving on a committee to see whether the work appeals to you. "If you decide you don't like it, you can go back to full-time clinical work," he says. For many doctors, he says, committee work is as far as they want to go outside of their clinical duties, but they may be comfortable doing it for years.
You Need to Have a Certain Skill Set
Working on a committee, interacting with other parts of the organization, and ultimately taking on an administrative role require a certain skill set, according to Linda Komnick, who recruits physician-executives for Witt/Kieffer, an executive search firm.
"You need what we call 'soft skills,'" she says. "You have to have the ability to communicate effectively and persuasively and to deal with organizational politics. You have to understand how to motivate others and know how to inspire and empower others. And you need to know how to build a consensus across a broad spectrum of constituent groups."
Soft skills are essential for an administrative post, Dr Jahn says. "You're the interface between the administration and physicians," he says. "You can't be a bull in a china shop." The physician-administrator is "the change agent," he explains. Many rank-and-file physicians are wary of the changes going on throughout healthcare, such as healthcare IT; greater use of population health management; and new payment mechanisms, such as bundled payments. "As a physician-administrator, you need to be willing to deal with those changes and explain them to others," he says.
As you move up the leadership ladder, having a mentor can help, Dr Angood advises. "Mentors can be peers, nonclinical administrators, or doctors who are already in administration," he says. "They can help you understand the environment, learn how to balance clinical and leadership roles, or provide confidential feedback on your performance." His association offers a mentorship-matching program. "Like in a dating service, prospective mentors and protégés fill out questionnaires to find the right fit," he says.
Working With Others Helps Build Leadership Skills
Many physicians looking to get ahead get a master's degree in business administration (MBA) or degrees that closely fit a physician-administrator's work, such as the certified physician executive (CPE) degree awarded by Dr Angood's association.
But Dr Jahn doesn't view such degrees as all that important. "They're not hiring you because of your MBA," he says. "It's because of your medical background." He has a CPE degree, but it took him 25 years to earn it, owing to his busy schedule. He says he was more interested in the courses than in the degree itself—courses on such issues as quality of care and malpractice.
In fact, most physician executives don't have a business degree. In a 2010 Witt/Kieffer survey of healthcare CEOs,[1] only 30% said their most senior physician-leader has a business or medical management degree, but 21% of the positions required a degree. However, Komnick says a degree can help. "Experience is more important than having an MBA, but having both is even better," she says.
Although courses toward a degree can provide a great deal of useful knowledge, working directly with others is still the best way to gain leadership skills, according to Dr Hanak. For example, he just finished a 1-year term as chair of the Young Physicians Section of the American Medical Association.
In a county, state, or national medical society, "you have an opportunity to build personal relationships with peers and mentors and learn leadership skills," he says. "You gain the ability to adapt, which is probably one of the more important qualities of leadership. Also, you begin to think in terms of the big picture. It's hard to see the big picture when you're spending 95% of your time in clinical practice."
Dr Buckley has also taken a leadership role in organized medicine. Since joining the Maryland State Medical Society, known as MedChi, she has developed an expertise in state legislation and has formed relationships with several legislators. At age 39, she is currently serving as MedChi's president-elect.
Time to Step Up to the Plate
In order to move ahead with your career, "they say you need to be available, affable, and able," Dr Buckley says. She remembers that when she was a member of the American Medical Association Resident and Fellow Section, she didn't follow that advice. Burdened with the long hours of a surgery resident, she was checking her emails only every 3 or 4 days. "I missed several important email exchanges and was perceived as uninterested," she says. Her work for the group stalled.
Now she makes a point of being available for projects. In her current position at Anne Arundel, she and other physicians noticed that a lot of patients with gastrointestinal bleeding were getting lost in the system and not always getting the care they needed. The physicians got together and put together a protocol to deal with these patients. "I was the only one taking notes, and so I was nominated to write a draft protocol," she says. She then became the go-to person on gastrointestinal bleeding.
Dr Buckley has also learned to take advantage of fleeting opportunities. Shortly after she joined an acute care group at Anne Arundel, the hospital was looking for a doctor to run the group. "They wanted someone who was dual-boarded in surgery and surgical critical care," she says. She is boarded only in surgery but asked to apply anyway. "I said, 'Look, I think I can do this.'" She got the job.
For Dr Buckley, being available at Anne Arundel and MedChi means that she has to carefully arrange her personal life. She is married with three small children, but she has a nanny and can do a lot of her writing work at night, when the kids are asleep. All of the family's meals are ordered out, a service cuts her grass, and she lives 1 minute away from the hospital. "It's all about having a village," she says. When she gets called away on MedChi business, her coworkers have agreed to swap work with her.
You Might Have to Make a Hard Decision
So far, Dr Buckley says, administration has been "just a side job" in her career. At her small hospital, there's no stipend for being chief of the general surgery division. "Making extra money only comes when you become a full-time administrator," she says. "I regard this as an educational phase."
She says she'll soon have to decide whether she wants to become a full-time administrator. Many hospitals, she says, won't allow full-time administrators to continue clinical care, and she is not sure she wants to give that up. This seems to be a bigger problem for surgeons, who must perform a minimum number of surgeries to stay proficient. Administrators who are primary care physicians are often allowed to spend half a day a week or so seeing patients.
Dr Jahn doesn't see patients anymore, but he still wants to keep his ties with clinical medicine. His board certification is expiring soon, and he plans to take his boards again. As an administrator, "being board-certified is important for your credibility," he says.
Dr Hanak says physicians starting on an administrative track need to focus their interests on what they plan to do. Family physicians who want to be a department chair, for example, would focus early in their career on matters in family medicine, but a family physician who wants a wider role would have to keep up with other specialties, he says.
Not every doctor would like being an administrator, Dr Jahn says. He works long hours—perhaps longer than most administrators. He's in the office from 8 AM to 6 PM. Then he goes home and spends time with his family for 3 hours and works at home from 9 PM to midnight, mostly answering emails. He gets 150-200 emails a day. He also has to travel, but "I'm OK with that," he says. He drives to the Baptist Health hospitals and clinics around Kentucky—racking up 45,000 miles in less than 2 years—and he flies about two to three times a month.
Burgeoning Opportunities
Administrative opportunities for physicians are opening up—especially in hospitals, which need more physician-leaders to liaise with all the doctors they've been hiring, and to deal with new payment policies that require a close familiarity with clinical care.
"The Affordable Care Act has increased demand for healthcare delivery models that require a deep understanding of clinical care, and they often depend on physician-leaders for help with implementation," Dr Angood says.
Witt/Kieffer's 2010 survey of healthcare CEOs revealed positions that were virtually nonexistent in its 2000 survey, such as chief quality officer, chief executive of employed physician groups, chief medical informatics officer, chief clinical integration officer, and chief operations officer.
Komnick says recruiters are straining to fill the demand. "Many qualified physician-administrators are looking at three or four opportunities at the same time," she says, adding: "Organizations are accepting lower levels of qualification than they used to." More than one third of CEOs in the Witt/Kieffer survey said their most senior physician executive had less than 2 years' experience on the senior management team.
In addition, more organizations are looking for physician-CEOs, according to Dr Angood. Most of the hospitals on the US News & World Report honor roll, he says, are physician-led. "Hospitals are looking for physician-leaders because they have a double-edged benefit: They have administrative skills, and they understand how the organization can provide better patient care," he says.
Faced with a growing need for physician-leaders, many health systems provide leadership and management training on site, Dr Angood says. Some of them contract with his group to provide this training. He adds that around one half of healthcare organizations pay for in-house training or outside degree programs for certain physicians.
Conclusion
Getting ahead in a healthcare organization can involve limited steps, such as joining committees or taking on a specific project. Or it can involve full-time work in a growing number of positions in the organization. In any case, it will require interpersonal and leadership skills that you may have to develop. For the right kind of person, this work can be very rewarding.
References
- Witt/Kieffer. Transformation of physician executives: new accountability for quality, performance, integration. Fall 2010. http://www.wittkieffer.com/file/thought-leadership/practice/Physician%20Executive%20Survey%20Report%202010.pdf Accessed August 11, 2015.
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