What is up with all the negativity.

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I have been seeing a lot of negative responses to some posts. I know for one I am very new to this site and I am going to ask as many questions as I possibly can. Isn't SDN made to student and encourage people? What is up with all the negative stuff. I see a few people talking about how this is the millionth post about this topic. What if they are new or not sure how this site works? I am just saying, In my most humble text please lighten up and less snarky. Also, to the ones that are SUPER-DUPER sweet and supportive I just wanna say thank you very much.
 
On the whole, I've found the people on SDN to be very helpful. But sometimes a really lazy or outright stupid question can tax people's patience. For example, there are many questions that can be answered by a google search, or by browsing the stickies here.

I have been seeing a lot of negative responses to some posts. I know for one I am very new to this site and I am going to ask as many questions as I possibly can. Isn't SDN made to student and encourage people? What is up with all the negative stuff. I see a few people talking about how this is the millionth post about this topic. What if they are new or not sure how this site works? I am just saying, In my most humble text please lighten up and less snarky. Also, to the ones that are SUPER-DUPER sweet and supportive I just wanna say thank you very much.
 
Tech savvy people know that the search feature on the forums sucks, but they aren't tech savvy enough to use Google instead (site:forums.studentdoctor.net). Couple that with paranoid premeds that competition is competition, and you have SDN.

There are helpful people, but I have noticed there are many people with a chip on their shoulder than not.
 
I know what you mean OP. While some of the questions are admittedly stupid, or have the intention of getting people fired up over topics that are known to be controversial here (MD vs DO, URM advantage, "Got a B, am I doomed?" etc...), there are a lot of posters who ask good questions, and then get flamed for not using the search function. This drives me crazy because there are plenty of topics that I LIKE to see multiple threads about. If people spend so much of their time on SDN that they are able to pick up on these "common question" patterns, that's their problem and they should either answer the question or KINDLY refer them to the search function if it bothers them so much.
 
I have been seeing a lot of negative responses to some posts. I know for one I am very new to this site and I am going to ask as many questions as I possibly can. Isn't SDN made to student and encourage people? What is up with all the negative stuff. I see a few people talking about how this is the millionth post about this topic. What if they are new or not sure how this site works? I am just saying, In my most humble text please lighten up and less snarky. Also, to the ones that are SUPER-DUPER sweet and supportive I just wanna say thank you very much.
Well, you see after a few years here, you find the same questions asked over and over and over. Sometimes there's a twist, mostly there's not. Now I've got a bit of patience for this...when I first got on SDN it was the first time I'd been a part of any internet forum and I wasn't totally clear on the road rules either. If the last thread that addresses your topic is a year or more old, people generally don't mind the question being asked again (though many will point out the search function).
It's when the same question is asked multiple times and those threads are all on the front page of the forum and the question/topic is in the title of all of them (and in the stickies at the top of the page), and someone else comes along that can't be bothered to even scan down one page of titles (not even read all the threads, just scan titles) that people start becoming annoyed. Because what that says about the newbie is that they think they're a special snowflake. And what's apparent to everybody else is that they're not. You're not going to get anywhere by thinking you're the princess in the Disney movie. You get somewhere by work and effort. If you can't even put in the minimal effort to read 1 page of thread titles, how are you going to make it into and through medical school?
And if you get upset by a bunch of random strangers on the internet being polite but short with you, how on earth are you going to deal with the rejections and disappointments and myriad other stresses of this process without breaking?

So, best of luck to you, and feel free post away- somebody will answer your questions. Just be prepared to not always like the answer. Ya' know, kinda like the rest of life.
 
Well, you see after a few years here, you find the same questions asked over and over and over. Sometimes there's a twist, mostly there's not. Now I've got a bit of patience for this...when I first got on SDN it was the first time I'd been a part of any internet forum and I wasn't totally clear on the road rules either. If the last thread that addresses your topic is a year or more old, people generally don't mind the question being asked again (though many will point out the search function).
It's when the same question is asked multiple times and those threads are all on the front page of the forum and the question/topic is in the title of all of them (and in the stickies at the top of the page), and someone else comes along that can't be bothered to even scan down one page of titles (not even read all the threads, just scan titles) that people start becoming annoyed. Because what that says about the newbie is that they think they're a special snowflake. And what's apparent to everybody else is that they're not. You're not going to get anywhere by thinking you're the princess in the Disney movie. You get somewhere by work and effort. If you can't even put in the minimal effort to read 1 page of thread titles, how are you going to make it into and through medical school?
And if you get upset by a bunch of random strangers on the internet being polite but short with you, how on earth are you going to deal with the rejections and disappointments and myriad other stresses of this process without breaking?

So, best of luck to you, and feel free post away- somebody will answer your questions. Just be prepared to not always like the answer. Ya' know, kinda like the rest of life.
True me I am very salty when needed and I make it my business to ask questions, when you want to learn you have thay right to be a sponges. Yes, I believe people need to use the research button for sure!! Dealing with stress is my middle name.. life is stressful bt you can let yourself get overwhelmed of course dont you agree?😉
 
True me I am very salty when needed and I make it my business to ask questions, when you want to learn you have thay right to be a sponges. Yes, I believe people need to use the research button for sure!! Dealing with stress is my middle name.. life is stressful bt you can let yourself get overwhelmed of course dont you agree?😉
Sure, be sponges by all means. Soak it up. Appropriate, researched, thought out questions will be answered with tact and a sincere desire to help a brother/sister out.
Just don't be whiny kids demanding that everybody be nice and the world be fair, 'cause it just ain't. We try to leave that to the pre-allo forum. Here's where the adults hang out.
 
My sister had a new baby five months ago, and watching how other people are with the baby emphasizes the point to me that some people love kids, while others are more indifferent or even dislike them. In the same way, some people like mentoring noobs while others don't. Try not to be offended when other people are less gung ho about your new premed "baby" than you are. A newborn isn't new and interesting anymore to a lot of people who are dealing with teenagers. Focus on the people whose posts you find helpful and ignore the rest. Finally, as others have suggested, you may feel differently yourself after you've been here for a while. I've been on SDN for a decade now; it doesn't take long for some of today's most eager noobs to become tomorrow's crop of curmudgeons. 😉
 
My sister had a new baby five months ago, and watching how other people are with the baby emphasizes the point to me that some people love kids, while others are more indifferent or even dislike them. In the same way, some people like mentoring noobs while others don't. Try not to be offended when other people are less gung ho about your new premed "baby" than you are. A newborn isn't new and interesting anymore to a lot of people who are dealing with teenagers. Focus on the people whose posts you find helpful and ignore the rest. Finally, as others have suggested, you may feel differently yourself after you've been here for a while. I've been on SDN for a decade now; it doesn't take long for some of today's most eager noobs to become tomorrow's crop of curmudgeons. 😉
Thanks Qof You are thee best!! Have I told you that lately!!!
 
True me I am very salty when needed and I make it my business to ask questions, when you want to learn you have thay right to be a sponges. Yes, I believe people need to use the research button for sure!! Dealing with stress is my middle name.. life is stressful bt you can let yourself get overwhelmed of course dont you agree?😉

I LOLed. Can I use this button to gain a publication or two?
 
I wouldn't take it to heart because the ones giving bad/mean/negative advice often don't know what they are talking about. My first thread here, everyone bashed me when I did absolutely nothing wrong. Stating how they hated my choice of schools, when hey, I liked the curriculum and the standards to become licensed are set by a professional. I didn't set the standards, so if you don't like the program or how someone else does things, that's not their problem lol.

Things change, and the entire education game is changing rapidly. This is a good thing, since education was limited to just upper middle class before, but it does mean more competition. Those who are already established and practicing in their field (often the ones giving advice here), are EXTREMELY threatened by the future competition so they try to bully away newbies with questions. That's what I've noticed here. I thought this would be a good forum for advice, but its really clear that a good 25% of the forum are people who are unhappy with their jobs (less $$$) or unhappy with future competition entering their industry, so they try to scare them away (which doesn't work). Ironically, all it does is push their future competition to work harder lol.

You have to remember that these people giving advice on this forum are NOT the ones who make decisions about who is let into programs circa 2014+ (things were very different even just 5 years ago), and these people are NOT the ones making future business decisions for yourself (you will likely be self-employed). So take everything they say with a grain of salt because they really aren't the best people to seek advice from. They likely entered their/your industry pre-recession and pre-social media (which was JUST 5 years ago), when the job market was massively different.

There are a lot of helpful people though! I lurked for years before I joined. A lot of the good advice seems to be in posts that are years old now though.
 
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I wouldn't take it to heart because the ones giving bad/mean/negative advice often don't know what they are talking about. My first thread here, everyone bashed me when I did absolutely nothing wrong. Stating how they hated my choice of schools, when hey, I liked the curriculum and the standards to become licensed are set by a professional. I didn't set the standards, so if you don't like the program or how someone else does things, that's not their problem lol.

Things change, and the entire education game is changing rapidly. This is a good thing, since education was limited to just upper middle class before, but it does mean more competition. Those who are already established and practicing in their field (often the ones giving advice here), are EXTREMELY threatened by the future competition so they try to bully away newbies with questions. That's what I've noticed here. I thought this would be a good forum for advice, but its really clear that a good 25% of the forum are people who are unhappy with their jobs (less $$$) or unhappy with future competition entering their industry, so they try to scare them away (which doesn't work). Ironically, all it does is push their future competition to work harder lol.

You have to remember that these people giving advice on this forum are NOT the ones who make decisions about who is let into programs circa 2014+ (things were very different even just 5 years ago), and these people are NOT the ones making future business decisions for yourself (you will likely be self-employed). So take everything they say with a grain of salt because they really aren't the best people to seek advice from. They likely entered their/your industry pre-recession and pre-social media (which was JUST 5 years ago), when the job market was massively different.

There are a lot of helpful people though! I lurked for years before I joined. A lot of the good advice seems to be in posts that are years old now though.
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You've only participated in one other thread and that was on a completely different board. The Psych people aren't often over here nor we there.
Why are you drawing conclusions about the personalities and responses of one group of people based on the actions of a different group of people?
That's not the way to be a good scientist or a good psychologist now, is it...
 
I wouldn't take it to heart because the ones giving bad/mean/negative advice often don't know what they are talking about. My first thread here, everyone bashed me when I did absolutely nothing wrong. Stating how they hated my choice of schools, when hey, I liked the curriculum and the standards to become licensed are set by a professional. I didn't set the standards, so if you don't like the program or how someone else does things, that's not their problem lol.

Things change, and the entire education game is changing rapidly. This is a good thing, since education was limited to just upper middle class before, but it does mean more competition. Those who are already established and practicing in their field (often the ones giving advice here), are EXTREMELY threatened by the future competition so they try to bully away newbies with questions. That's what I've noticed here. I thought this would be a good forum for advice, but its really clear that a good 25% of the forum are people who are unhappy with their jobs (less $$$) or unhappy with future competition entering their industry, so they try to scare them away (which doesn't work). Ironically, all it does is push their future competition to work harder lol.

You have to remember that these people giving advice on this forum are NOT the ones who make decisions about who is let into programs circa 2014+ (things were very different even just 5 years ago), and these people are NOT the ones making future business decisions for yourself (you will likely be self-employed). So take everything they say with a grain of salt because they really aren't the best people to seek advice from. They likely entered their/your industry pre-recession and pre-social media (which was JUST 5 years ago), when the job market was massively different.


There are a lot of helpful people though! I lurked for years before I joined. A lot of the good advice seems to be in posts that are years old now though.
Also, while you're welcome to your opinion, you obviously have a number of facts badly wrong if you're talking about medicine.
Psychology, I have no clue, maybe you're right, but again, this isn't the Psych board.
 
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You've only participated in one other thread and that was on a completely different board. The Psych people aren't often over here nor we there.
Why are you drawing conclusions about the personalities and responses of one group of people based on the actions of a different group of people?
That's not the way to be a good scientist or a good psychologist now, is it...

I don't know why you are so much about my own opinions and what I've personally noticed lol. As I stated, I lurked for years. I would read this board several times a week for years. So just because I didn't participate, doesn't mean I wasn't reading ;-)
 
I don't know why you are so much about my own opinions and what I've personally noticed lol. As I stated, I lurked for years. I would read this board several times a week for years. So just because I didn't participate, doesn't mean I wasn't reading ;-)

Well... sweeping generalizations (especially based on incorrect information) tend to rub me the wrong way.
My personal experience with the non-trad board has been a lot of occasionally snarky, non-sugarcoating, but very helpful and encouraging people. Most of whom are pre-meds or in training themselves. Since the bulk of your post was referencing established (physicians, psychologists, ???) who are discouraging of pre-(med, psych, ???) students, I assumed you were referencing more the Psych board. There are very few active med students/residents/attendings that post here; if you've been reading for the past few years you might have noticed this. Q and Goro are some of the well respected exceptions. I don't know where you're drawing your dismal conclusions from, but as I said, you're welcome to your opinion.

Why am I posting at all? Well that's part of a forum, no? To respond to people and their opinions with your own. Also because I'm bored right now.
... it doesn't take long for some of today's most eager noobs to become tomorrow's crop of curmudgeons. 😉
Also this ^^^
I've always been a bit of a curmudgeon and I've actively been here just over 3 years now. Seeing people demand sweetness and light when the reality is that they don't have a snowball's chance in hell is trying for me and I usually just ignore it, knowing that they will disappear in a couple of months when reality sets in or the novelty wears off. I guess the combination of a lull in pressing responsibilities right now and the latest round of "why won't you be nice to me" just has me on here for something to do.
 
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I'm generally not too fanatical about the search function, but there are some exceptions.

First, I do think it demonstrates a bit of laziness when there are 3-4 posts on the exact same topic in the top 15 posts.

Second, our friend @QofQuimica has invested a great deal of time putting together a bunch of stickies at the top of the Nontrad forum page. These are a veritable gold mine of valuable information if anyone bothers to read them. One of them starts with the words "please read: Nontrad FAQ " it links all of the commonly asked questions (including the the ones that show up 3-4 times in the first 15 posts) among a whole host of things that come up for nontrads. Get your questions answered without even relying on the search function!

I consider skimming through at least the topic list in that thread mandatory reading for a Nontrad.

Lastly, the great thing about a thread on a topic is that you can get multiple responses, perspectives, solutions, and experiences relayed by other posters on that topic. When you have people add on a similar question or the same with a twist rather than start a brand new thread you can get a very long comprehensive resource several pages long all in one spot and you don't have to hop around to 20 different threads.

When you have people start new posts to ask the same questions you often wind up with 10 posts on the same topic each with 10 or fewer helpful responses. It makes it far less efficient to get the information people need. And people do get burned out repeating themselves especially when it's over a very short time frame.

I like to think that the folks in the Nontrad forum are a little more helpful and less drama oriented than pre allo, but people all have different ways of giving advice and some, even some very knowledgable folks on here, are very blunt in their approach.

I would also like to address the comment that the people on here aren't involved in making decisions about who is let into programs. We have one current adcom person that participates in this forum, a couple former student adcom members, as well as other experienced folks with various ties to adcoms that drop in occasionally.
 
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I wouldn't take it to heart because the ones giving bad/mean/negative advice often don't know what they are talking about. My first thread here, everyone bashed me when I did absolutely nothing wrong. Stating how they hated my choice of schools, when hey, I liked the curriculum and the standards to become licensed are set by a professional. I didn't set the standards, so if you don't like the program or how someone else does things, that's not their problem lol.

Things change, and the entire education game is changing rapidly. This is a good thing, since education was limited to just upper middle class before, but it does mean more competition. Those who are already established and practicing in their field (often the ones giving advice here), are EXTREMELY threatened by the future competition so they try to bully away newbies with questions. That's what I've noticed here. I thought this would be a good forum for advice, but its really clear that a good 25% of the forum are people who are unhappy with their jobs (less $$$) or unhappy with future competition entering their industry, so they try to scare them away (which doesn't work). Ironically, all it does is push their future competition to work harder lol.

You have to remember that these people giving advice on this forum are NOT the ones who make decisions about who is let into programs circa 2014+ (things were very different even just 5 years ago), and these people are NOT the ones making future business decisions for yourself (you will likely be self-employed). So take everything they say with a grain of salt because they really aren't the best people to seek advice from. They likely entered their/your industry pre-recession and pre-social media (which was JUST 5 years ago), when the job market was massively different.

There are a lot of helpful people though! I lurked for years before I joined. A lot of the good advice seems to be in posts that are years old now though.
As kras said, maybe what you're saying is true of the Psych forum. I'm not a regular reader of that forum, nor am I a psychologist, so I don't know the ins and outs of their training system. But for sure what you're saying is *not* true of this board, nor of the other medicine-oriented forums.

First off, my hospital is hiring, and I already feel grossly overworked after being here just two weeks. So if you want to go to med school, complete a residency, and take some of my shifts so that I can have more time off, not only will I *not* feel threatened by you, I'll even forward your CV to the right people and do what I can to help roll out the red carpet for you. At this point, I value my time more than I value earning even more money.

Speaking of which, I'm not unhappy with my salary, not by any stretch of the imagination, especially if we include my benefits, and especially since I get paid overtime and extra for working nights, which is making me seriously consider becoming a nocturnist (where I only work nights). If I were in private practice, I could make up to 50% more than I'm making as an academic physician. But I digress.

Third, if you're a premed, the people who are ahead of you here are indeed some of the very people who will be making admissions decisions for you. I have four years of adcom experience. I'm currently a new assistant prof at a university with a med school, and I may well end up serving on the adcom again at some point.

Finally, nor, if you go into medicine, are you likely to be self-employed. I am a salaried employee of the university and the state of Florida. In private practice, many of my colleagues are either hospital employees or work for large corporations that have contracts to staff hospitals or clinics. These models are becoming more common for physicians, not less. The days of the self-employed GP who has his own office are numbered.

I'm sorry if you've had an unpleasant experience on one of our forums, but I do feel it's important to point out for the sake of other noobs/premeds that what you're saying here is not the case when it comes to medicine.
 
I wouldn't take it to heart because the ones giving bad/mean/negative advice often don't know what they are talking about. My first thread here, everyone bashed me when I did absolutely nothing wrong. Stating how they hated my choice of schools, when hey, I liked the curriculum and the standards to become licensed are set by a professional. I didn't set the standards, so if you don't like the program or how someone else does things, that's not their problem lol.

Things change, and the entire education game is changing rapidly. This is a good thing, since education was limited to just upper middle class before, but it does mean more competition. Those who are already established and practicing in their field (often the ones giving advice here), are EXTREMELY threatened by the future competition so they try to bully away newbies with questions. That's what I've noticed here. I thought this would be a good forum for advice, but its really clear that a good 25% of the forum are people who are unhappy with their jobs (less $$$) or unhappy with future competition entering their industry, so they try to scare them away (which doesn't work). Ironically, all it does is push their future competition to work harder lol.

You have to remember that these people giving advice on this forum are NOT the ones who make decisions about who is let into programs circa 2014+ (things were very different even just 5 years ago), and these people are NOT the ones making future business decisions for yourself (you will likely be self-employed). So take everything they say with a grain of salt because they really aren't the best people to seek advice from. They likely entered their/your industry pre-recession and pre-social media (which was JUST 5 years ago), when the job market was massively different.

There are a lot of helpful people though! I lurked for years before I joined. A lot of the good advice seems to be in posts that are years old now though.

Yeah you're right, I'm threatened by the guy that took an algebra course three times and ended up with a B- 👍

EDIT: actually it was pre-algebra LOL
 
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Lol, sure I try to point out that we behave better than pre allo and you all go down this road

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A sense of humor (though perhaps sophomoric) still does not equal rampant paranoia and d0ucebaggery. So I think we're still ahead 😉
 
To the OP. ..the best to you, but it's all been said. After the 10,000th new thread on "Am I too old," I mean, it's as annoying as pop-ups.
 
I have been seeing a lot of negative responses to some posts. I know for one I am very new to this site and I am going to ask as many questions as I possibly can. Isn't SDN made to student and encourage people? What is up with all the negative stuff. I see a few people talking about how this is the millionth post about this topic. What if they are new or not sure how this site works? I am just saying, In my most humble text please lighten up and less snarky. Also, to the ones that are SUPER-DUPER sweet and supportive I just wanna say thank you very much.

I would have to agree. I've been a "lurker" on this board for a few years and just now recently started posting. I have done countless searches and though searching is great I will say that it's always nice to see a fresh perspective on some things. Things are constantly changing and evolving in the field of medicine. People who responded to certain questions as premed or med students 3-4 years ago are now possibly doctors and have even more insight. The purpose of a forum is that it stays active and constantly evolves...If this involves repetitions on some topics then so be it. What I don't get is why people take the time respond negatively in the first place. If it bothers them THAT BAD then they should just move on.
 
I would have to agree. I've been a "lurker" on this board for a few years and just now recently started posting. I have done countless searches and though searching is great I will say that it's always nice to see a fresh perspective on some things. Things are constantly changing and evolving in the field of medicine. People who responded to certain questions as premed or med students 3-4 years ago are now possibly doctors and have even more insight. The purpose of a forum is that it stays active and constantly evolves...If this involves repetitions on some topics then so be it. What I don't get is why people take the time respond negatively in the first place. If it bothers them THAT BAD then they should just move on.
It's pretty easy to tell the poster who searched around a bit from one who did nothing except notice the New Thread button beckoning to them. Some questions actually don't need a fresh perspective. And new, low quality threads push good conversations off the first page of threads as well as mucking up the search results when people do do the right thing and try to search before asking "I'm 27, am I too old?"
 
It's pretty easy to tell the poster who searched around a bit from one who did nothing except notice the New Thread button beckoning to them. Some questions actually don't need a fresh perspective. And new, low quality threads push good conversations off the first page of threads as well as mucking up the search results when people do do the right thing and try to search before asking "I'm 27, am I too old?"
Yes, but that doesn't let me know if I'm too old. Maybe 27 is too old for that guy, the answer could be different for me!
 
I don't know what's negative is actually negative. Or what's positive is positive.

But what I once found interesting about trying to get into medical school is no longer. And part what comprised my curtain call from what was once daily reading here was being booed for being negative.

I don't know what any of these things mean. Positive, negative. If I give my patient percocet and he loves me for it am I positive. Is he positive. Are we negative. We make positive money for a positive number of people for doing this dance. And paying the rent is positive.

For f@ck's sake.

This is about as interesting as taxes.

Which is why it's all premeds being positive and a few tireless saints of monotony.

It's a natural cycle that is neither positive nor negative--that results in it being mostly premeds being positive. And monotonous.
 
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I have done countless searches and though searching is great I will say that it's always nice to see a fresh perspective on some things. Things are constantly changing and evolving in the field of medicine. People who responded to certain questions as premed or med students 3-4 years ago are now possibly doctors and have even more insight.

You can always add your "new perspective" questions and "twist on the issue" questions onto the existing topic. That way you get your new responses while minimizing the issues mentioned by other posters.

i.e. "I'm also a nurse wanting to make the switch to medicine, but I also have two kids..........ya day yada yada and question"

As for why people bother to comment, I'm guessing it's to try to deter the behavior from being repeated.
 
Nas, I see your sense of humor remains intact into residency, thank God. I believe this is a good sign.
"As interesting as taxes," lol, but perhaps doing taxes is interesting for some that are =/>27 year olds. 😉

SDN has member policing for the too tedious. It always has had this, as far as I can tell. This is one of the few places where people won't hesitate to tell you to do a search first, and then they will want you to search some more--not just here--but to search elsewhere as well. They will say, in essence, "You might want to add something to that huge bowl of dried, puffed rice you are eating."

This is an interesting place though. . .it's like people "interested" in medicine miss the notion that pursuing medicine generally comes down to being like Cortes and having the ships destroyed. I think that picture can clarify a lot of these tired questions.
 
I don't know what's negative is actually negative. Or what's positive is positive.

But what I once found interesting about trying to get into medical school is no longer. And part what comprised my curtain call from what was once daily reading here was being booed for being negative.

I don't know what any of these things mean. Positive, negative. If I give my patient percocet and he loves me for it am I positive. Is he positive. Are we negative. We make positive money for a positive number of people for doing this dance. And paying the rent is positive.

For f@ck's sake.

This is about as interesting as taxes.

Which is why it's all premeds being positive and a few tireless saints of monotony.

It's a natural cycle that is neither positive nor negative--that results in it being mostly premeds being positive. And monotonous.



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I was just going to ask him if I could have some of whatever he's on.
 
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