What kind of medicine can a DPM prescribe?

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You may "rotate" through general medicine, but you do not have the depth of exposure to safely practice general medicine (i.e. education in systems based medicine + sum of 3rd/4th year rotations + PGY-1 year in general med and beyond).

Gee, I guess I'd better stop medically managing all of my hospital patients than! :laugh:

I can promise you that when you actually start rotating through hospitals and meet/work with DPM's, your attitude will greatly change. I bet that when rotating, some of the interns you will work under will be DPM's. As an intern, if I didn't know my medicine, I would have been in big trouble while taking call on my medical and surgical rotations.

The obvious problem with our profession is training. There are still a decent number of pods out there with little or no surgical training. BUT, make no mistake, pods coming out of a 3-year residency (which is now the standard) are the most highly trained foot and ankle surgeons in the country.

Out of curiosity, name ONE instance where a DPM's scope of practice has been decreased (and don't say Texas which will never really happen). On the other hand, Louisiana has just increased their scope to include ankle (which makes 3-4 states where we don't have ankle privileges).

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Keep in mind that the limit to their scope is by choice, not by law. A cardiologist is also trained in internal med, and is permitted to medically manage medical conditions of the knee...
Choice as well as training. Let's walk through the specialties:

We'll start with the "broad scope" (and low pay) ones you actually have a shot at matching as a DO ;)...
FP: Head to toe, right? Well, no sx, refer almost everything but the real basics like flu, HTN, gastritis, STDs
IM: "All systems?" "Advanced" dx? Still no sx, still have to refer/consult fellowship trained colleagues often
Peds: actually one of the broadest scopes, but only in a select population, refers out sx
ER: stabilize patient, either floor or door them, then move on to another... no time for advanced dx or tx
Psych: deal with crackpots, treat "pathology" that is almost purely subjective
Path: can do a lot of stuff and every system, but pt contact consists of reading pt chart (often a dead pt)
PM&R: basically non-sx ortho... a PT who can prescribe Rx

Now come some more advanced IM fellowships or similar specialties which narrow your scope a whole lot more. By becoming the ultimate authority on a system and its pathology, you are also giving up a huge chunk of your scope. And despite what you may think, these guys wouldn't "hang up a shingle and practice as a GP" unless it was an absolute last resort...
GI, Cards, Uro, ID, Endo, Rheumato, Neuro, Onc

The surgical specialties...
OB: nice mix of clinic and surg, but again, a limited patient population and organ system
Gen or Trauma Sx: fairly good variety and income... if you can take the absolutely hellish hours
System Sx (neuro, CT, vasc, plastics, etc): interesting, but probably most limited scope of all specialties
Ortho: A+ specialty with clinic/sx mix, but most restrict their own scope after spine/hand/etc fellowship

The NPC or "lifestyle" tracks (mised well forget these since you aren't at a top 50 MD school)...
Derm: good stuff + nice hours, but you are down to one organ system, a lot of narcissistic pts
Rad: all systems, but like path, minimal patient contact means you get rusty on pharm and clinical dx/tx
Anesth: great hours and job... but for years and years? CRNA popularity also limits your income
Optho: fantastic hours, but if you thought neuro had a narrow scope... what does optho have?

...and that brings us to podiatry. When you think about it, DPMs can do pretty much any pathology up to the knee... derm, tendons, bones (trauma, reconstructive, elective), sports med, wounds, peds, orthotics/braces/prosthesis, path, etc. There is room for subspecialty if one seeks it out. It might be a small region of the body, but it's all systems within those parts. All things considered, that means the scope is actually pretty broad. If a DPM does not choose to limit their own scope by choice or training, then they are basically a F&A ortho who will additionally take care of lower extremity derm, nail, and wound care. Pod really is a nice mix that has aspects of ortho, derm, ID, rad, vasc, and endo all rolled into one, assuming you choose to acquire and utilize all of the training.

The bottom line is that, regardless of what your degree is, unless you are a small town doc forced to tackle everything or a guy who wants to get sued, nobody does it all. You are limited by what you are trained for, and that's why a lot of the seemingly broad specialties (IM, peds, path, rad, surg, etc) have plentiful fellowship offerings. Everyone has their role because they are the best for those pathologies and problems. Each student has his/her own interests, aspirations, and strengths. Sorry, but you are not going to be House from TV... diagnosing everything head to toe, doing any and every procedure, and then assisting in the OR surgery on your own patients. There are referrals and consults for a reason... the knowledge base is too vast for any physician to have "unlimited scope" and "treat the whole body."

Go ahead and dog on podiatry if you like, but if it were an MD specialty, it'd be pretty darn popular. You will see in a few years that you will probably end up fighting tooth and nail with other MD/DO grads over the small handful of specialties that actually let you begin your career before age 35 and might eventually provide you a decent income yet allow a life outside the hospital. GL
 
Choice as well as training. Let's walk through the specialties:

We'll start with the "broad scope" (and low pay) ones you actually have a shot at matching as a DO ;)...
FP: Head to toe, right? Well, no sx, refer almost everything but the real basics like flu, HTN, gastritis, STDs
IM: "All systems?" "Advanced" dx? Still no sx, still have to refer/consult fellowship trained colleagues often
Peds: actually one of the broadest scopes, but only in a select population, refers out sx
ER: stabilize patient, either floor or door them, then move on to another... no time for advanced dx or tx
Psych: deal with crackpots, treat "pathology" that is almost purely subjective
Path: can do a lot of stuff and every system, but pt contact consists of reading pt chart (often a dead pt)
PM&R: basically non-sx ortho... a PT who can prescribe Rx

Now come some more advanced IM fellowships or similar specialties which narrow your scope a whole lot more. By becoming the ultimate authority on a system and its pathology, you are also giving up a huge chunk of your scope. And despite what you may think, these guys wouldn't "hang up a shingle and practice as a GP" unless it was an absolute last resort...
GI, Uro, ID, Endo, Rheumato, Neuro, Onc

The surgical specialties...
OB: nice mix of clinic and surg, but again, a limited patient population and organ system
Gen or Trauma Sx: fairly good variety and income... if you can take the absolutely hellish hours
System Sx (neuro, CT, vasc, plastics, etc): interesting, but probably most limited scope of all specialties
Ortho: A+ specialty with clinic/sx mix, but most restrict their own scope after spine/hand/etc fellowship

The NPC or "lifestyle" tracks (mised well pretend don't exist since you aren't at a top 50 MD school)...
Derm: good stuff + nice hours, but you are down to one organ system, a lot of narcissistic pts
Rad: all systems, but minimal patient contact
Anesth: great hours and job... but for years and years? CRNA popularity also limits your income
Optho: fantastic hours, but if you thought neuro had a narrow scope... what does optho have?

...and that brings us to podiatry. When you think about it, DPMs can do pretty much anything pathology up to the knee... derm, tendons, bones (trauma, reconstructive, elective), sports med, wounds, peds, orthotics/braces/prosthesis, path, etc. There is room for subspecialty if one seeks it out. It might be a small region of the body, but it's all systems within those parts. All things considered, that means the scope is actually pretty broad. If a DPM does not choose to limit their own scope by choice or training, then they are basically a F&A ortho who will additionally take care of lower extremity derm, nail, and wound care. Pod really is a nice mix that has aspects of ortho, derm, ID, rad, vasc, and endo all rolled into one, assuming you choose to acquire and utilize all of the training.

The bottom line is that, regardless of what your degree is, unless you are a small town doc forced to tackle everything or a guy who wants to get sued, nobody does it all. You are limited by what you are trained for, and that's why a lot of the specialties (path, anesth, peds, rad, surg, etc) have fellowships. Everyone has their role because they are the best for those pathologies and problems. Each student has his/her own interests, aspirations, and strengths. Sorry, but you are not going to be House from TV... diagnosing everything head to toe, doing any and every procedure, and then assisting in the OR surgery on your own patients. There are referrals and consults for a reason... the knowledge base is too vast for any physician to have "unlimited scope" and "treat the whole body."

Go ahead and dog on podiatry if you like, but if it were an MD specialty, it'd be pretty darn popular. You will see in a few years that you will probably end up fighting tooth and nail with other MD/DO grads over the small handful of specialties that actually let you begin your career before age 35 and might eventually afford you a decent income yet a life outside the hospital. GL

Great post, Feli. Well thought out! :thumbup:
 
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Let's just get the facts straight before you go making sweeping generalizations.

CPMS:Academic performance: The class of 2011 has an average cumulative GPA of 3.39. The average science GPA is 3.25. The average MCAT score is 23.

DO:The class of 2011 has a 3.64 average overall GPA and a 3.59 average science GPA. MCAT:The average MCAT score is 26.63, with a median writing sample of O.

Those entrance stats aren't "neck and neck" as you say.

Furthermore, should the "trivia" bit be true, realize that DO students are going through their systems courses concurrently with pharm, while the DPMs go through their watered down version of systems concurrently.

Also, DPM class averages for the class of 2011 are not surpassing the DO class averages (just a little "trivia" for you).

You may "rotate" through general medicine, but you do not have the depth of exposure to safely practice general medicine (i.e. education in systems based medicine + sum of 3rd/4th year rotations + PGY-1 year in general med and beyond).

Lastly, a physician may not want to hang a shingle as a GP, but should the need arise, a physician is permitted to respond to any medical situation. Same can't be said for a podiatrist, and with the way recent scope of practice confrontations are panning out for DPMs, won't be long before all you're doing is digging out ingrowns :laugh:

Being the mod that you are, you should probably just go ahead and close this thread and save yourself further embarrassment.

Last post to complete my "Trifecta of Posts!" before a flame war/pissing contest breaks out from our D.O. friends. :scared:

How can you be so negative toward pods, when you interact with them all of the time at school?
 
Furthermore, should the "trivia" bit be true, realize that DO students are going through their systems courses concurrently with pharm, while the DPMs go through their watered down version of systems concurrently.

Also, DPM class averages for the class of 2011 are not surpassing the DO class averages (just a little "trivia" for you).

You may "rotate" through general medicine, but you do not have the depth of exposure to safely practice general medicine (i.e. education in systems based medicine + sum of 3rd/4th year rotations + PGY-1 year in general med and beyond).

Lastly, a physician may not want to hang a shingle as a GP, but should the need arise, a physician is permitted to respond to any medical situation. Same can't be said for a podiatrist, and with the way recent scope of practice confrontations are panning out for DPMs, won't be long before all you're doing is digging out ingrowns :laugh:

These words suits a real Doctor or resident or fourth year MD or DO. You are just a 1st year student who has just taken bareminimum bikini anatomy and physiology with no exposure to residency or rotations or medical practice (not your 120 hr shadowing but real interaction as MD-DPM-DO) coming here and blabbering abt what we should do, what you should do is lame.

You first graduate, get a decent residency, get some real credidintials and then come and argue. i will respectfully listen to your arguments. but with your present standing its worthless to argue with you. get the heck out of here. You are just a 1st year with zero exposure. its like arguing with an illiterate the merits of Astrobiology.
 
Maybe we should be nicer to those DO students.

Afterall, they do practice OMM. It would be awful to see one of my pod mates get omm'd.
 
the way recent scope of practice confrontations are panning out for DPMs, won't be long before all you're doing is digging out ingrowns :laugh:

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Who the heck is providing you with these news that Pods are having confrnatations of scope of practice and getting reduced. the truth is that we got ankle priviledges in states which previously didnt had ankle. We are now eligible by medcaid and medicare to perform many procedures (eg: Comprehensive physical examination) which till recent years were way out of our reach. The only thing that went against DPMs was in texas and that too is still under court. So its not yet decided. Pods are still doing ankle in texas.

Iam suprised and amused to read what you are saying. Either you are really ignorant & have no idea what is going on in real world or you are a very dirty sociopath spreading false rumors and provocating people and disrupting peace and harmony.

If you really have character. Then seriously go ahead and cite/find one news article or proof that shows one confrontation as you are stating here went against Podiatrists.

A little secret for you, listen carefully okie! if you cant remember this then write it down and if you cant write it down then print and paste in your room. WE ARE HERE TO STAY! and i assure you we will do what we are trained for. So live with it!
 
Maybe we should be nicer to those DO students.

Afterall, they do practice OMM. It would be awful to see one of my pod mates get omm'd.

I guess we have to invite our Allopathic M1s and premeds (the hardcore allopathics) . Lol we can have fun watching our little bonny explaining them their questions of quackery and sorcery.Believe me we really dont wanna go that way. there are plenty of threads in pre-osteopath forum that got locked.Its amazing to see this idiot coming here and arguing with us who got a bigger d..k when these people themselves have to explain to their MD countrerparts as to why they went to ostheo route and what their whole training is all abt. Dont you think its ironic:laugh:
 
You may "rotate" through general medicine, but you do not have the depth of exposure to safely practice general medicine (i.e. education in systems based medicine + sum of 3rd/4th year rotations + PGY-1 year in general med and beyond).

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Oh boy! may god enlighten your pea sized brain.
 
Out of curiosity, name ONE instance where a DPM's scope of practice has been decreased (and don't say Texas which will never really happen). On the other hand, Louisiana has just increased their scope to include ankle (which makes 3-4 states where we don't have ankle privileges).

Man this guy is lunatic. Wat has the DMU DO admission standards come to:confused: they accepted this ***** who makes up stuff like kids.
 
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Man this guy is a bloodyliar and lunatic. Wat has the DMU DO admission standards come to:confused: they accepted this characterless(who makes up stuff) *****.

Settle down Cool! It is OK man. This is a learning process and Boner is no exception to it. I had a lot of pre-conceived notions about medicine when I first started as well. I think we all do. When you're actually a physician working in a hospital system (in my case, one of the largest teaching hospitals in the country) and you see MD/DO/DPM, not to mention the countless number of clinicians and midlevels, working together and constantly soliciting each other for advise, you see how it really works.

On many of my patients, I'm speaking with medicine, ID, vascular, etc on a daily basis. There is no omnipotent doc at the hospital that knows it all (although a few think they do). The fact of the matter is we all work together.

In medicine, the only thing an ego usually ends up doing is hurting the patient.
 
In medicine, the only thing an ego usually ends up doing is hurting the patient.

Wow that should be a bumper sticker. All your posts have been well placed and well said. You've pretty much summed it up for all us docs, future or current. Thanks.
 
Settle down Cool! It is OK man. This is a learning process and Boner is no exception to it. I had a lot of pre-conceived notions about medicine when I first started as well. I think we all do.

Bull s....t learning process. This thread is constantly read by Pre-Pods, what kind of message are they getting after reading this BONER's false news. Its not just learning, he is malicious. He is making up false news only with intent to provocate and disrupt our discussions. Its not like he is a 10yr old who is honestly seeking knowledge or has preconcieved notions. It appears more like someone at DMU really pissed him off and he just want to post whatever comes in his brain whether the content is genuine or madeup.

As a moderator plzzz delete those ignorant posts. There is 0% truth in anything he has posted. Apart from scaring future pre-pods and irritating new pods, the post will serve no other purpose.
 
As a moderator plzzz delete those ignorant posts. There is 0% truth in anything he has posted. Apart from scaring future pre-pods and irritating new pods, the post will serve no other purpose.

He doesn't need to be censored just because he's naive. Let him ramble on about how much of a god he is; perhaps he can reflect on his ego inflated comments after he's finshed up his DO degree and is out in the real world of medicine. Maybe he will realize what a pompous elitist he has been in an attempt to overcome what is seemingly some sort of inferiority complex.

To be fair, he is right about the DMU class profile stats. I do not exactly see how this is relevent though or makes podiatry students less intellegent than, for instance, DO students. If that is what he is implying he is sorely mistaken and would honestly be doing himself a disservice by making that kind of argument. He must remember that Allopathic MD schools hold higher class profiles than his class at DMU (Allopathic class profiles are usually 3.8 GPA with 30+ MCAT), yet DO's claim to be equal in intellegence to MD's. You can't knock pod student "class profile averages" without subordinating your own to MD's, and if you have had statistics you should understand that averages often mean jack s*** anyway.
 
Holy crap, I give one little cheap shot and then it looks like a fight between the 4th and 5th row is going to break out. And whats up with IlizaRob posting his gay porn here, as a mod he should know better:D .
 
Holy crap, I give one little cheap shot and then it looks like a fight between the 4th and 5th row is going to break out. And whats up with IlizaRob posting his gay porn here, as a mod he should know better:D .

Look, I cant help that the paparazzi just wont leave Jonwill alone, taking pictures of him without his knowledge and all. But when I saw it all over the internet I couldnt resist. :D

...and to all the self-proclaimes super-geniuses of the 3rd row out there...I salute you.
 
Boner
You'd be hard pressed to find a medical specialty that doesn't have a year of general medicine/surgery incorporated into their PGY-1.

Psychiatrist- only 4 months

Orthopedic Surgery - 1st year combines - "The first year must include a minimum of six months structured education in surgery, including multi-system trauma, plastic surgery, burn care, intensive care and vascular surgery. " from AAOS website

In reality, each specialty will learn enough from each 1st year rotation to not kill and save the patient's life. And quite possibly how to treat them and make them better according to that years latest recommendations.

Almost no physician or surgeon learns the updated recommendations for each specialty every year.

So 25 years into practice you will still remember how to save the patient's life but maybe not how to manage the issue long term. This goes for all specialties.


Most specialties have incorporated the "medicine/intern" year into the total years of the residency. So no longer do OBGYN, Ortho, Gen surg.... do a IM or intern/ transitional year. Only Derm, Optho (can't think of anymore) do a transitional year which is mostly medicine but not completely.

One other thing to consider to all the MS1 and MS2 students, When you are on your rotations your resident or intern makes all the decisions, this will continue into your intern year. At first almost everything is run by the resident. This is how all residency programs work. The intern gets the call goes "oh sh_t" then collects their thoughts and calls the resident to either confirm the plan or ask for help. And during morning rounds if you get a good resident you be asked "what do you want to do for the patient" if you get a crapy resident you will be told what to do.

Even in code situations the same hierarchy holds. The intern does not run a code. Even though you will hold the same ACLS card that I the DPM hold you as an intern will not run a code unless there are about 4 -5 codes running at the same time. The intern will learn from attending codes and watching the residents and assisting when needed.
 
Look, I cant help that the paparazzi just wont leave Jonwill alone, taking pictures of him without his knowledge and all. But when I saw it all over the internet I couldnt resist. :D

...and to all the self-proclaimes super-geniuses of the 3rd row out there...I salute you.

SOMEBODY had to take that picture and you and I both know who the "paparazzi" REALLY is :laugh::laugh::laugh:
 
a DO here, no flame wars. As an ER resident, we love our DPMs, hell we love all our consultants. I think someone already mention this above, if you have a license and have DEA number for your scripts, you could write anything you want, including controlled substances. But no practicing doctors and Nurse parctioners would prescribed out of their specialty comfort zone. If somethig happen to your patient, it's your fault. I could write for psych meds but i'll always get a psych consult first!. Also if you have a non-compliant patient, your job is not to script meds for all his ailments, only ones pertinent to your specialty and refer appropriately. Of course if it's life threatening, we would gladly see them in our ER, just call the EMS for him.
 
a DO here, no flame wars. As an ER resident, we love our DPMs, hell we love all our consultants. I think someone already mention this above, if you have a license and have DEA number for your scripts, you could write anything you want, including controlled substances. But no practicing doctors and Nurse parctioners would prescribed out of their specialty comfort zone. If somethig happen to your patient, it's your fault. I could write for psych meds but i'll always get a psych consult first!. Also if you have a non-compliant patient, your job is not to script meds for all his ailments, only ones pertinent to your specialty and refer appropriately. Of course if it's life threatening, we would gladly see them in our ER, just call the EMS for him.


Well said :thumbup:
 
a DO here, no flame wars. As an ER resident, we love our DPMs, hell we love all our consultants. I think someone already mention this above, if you have a license and have DEA number for your scripts, you could write anything you want, including controlled substances. But no practicing doctors and Nurse parctioners would prescribed out of their specialty comfort zone. If somethig happen to your patient, it's your fault. I could write for psych meds but i'll always get a psych consult first!. Also if you have a non-compliant patient, your job is not to script meds for all his ailments, only ones pertinent to your specialty and refer appropriately. Of course if it's life threatening, we would gladly see them in our ER, just call the EMS for him.


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Let's just get the facts straight before you go making sweeping generalizations.

CPMS:Academic performance: The class of 2011 has an average cumulative GPA of 3.39. The average science GPA is 3.25. The average MCAT score is 23.

DO:The class of 2011 has a 3.64 average overall GPA and a 3.59 average science GPA. MCAT:The average MCAT score is 26.63, with a median writing sample of O.

Those entrance stats aren't "neck and neck" as you say.

Furthermore, should the "trivia" bit be true, realize that DO students are going through their systems courses concurrently with pharm, while the DPMs go through their watered down version of systems concurrently.

Also, DPM class averages for the class of 2011 are not surpassing the DO class averages (just a little "trivia" for you).

You may "rotate" through general medicine, but you do not have the depth of exposure to safely practice general medicine (i.e. education in systems based medicine + sum of 3rd/4th year rotations + PGY-1 year in general med and beyond).

Lastly, a physician may not want to hang a shingle as a GP, but should the need arise, a physician is permitted to respond to any medical situation. Same can't be said for a podiatrist, and with the way recent scope of practice confrontations are panning out for DPMs, won't be long before all you're doing is digging out ingrowns :laugh:

Being the mod that you are, you should probably just go ahead and close this thread and save yourself further embarrassment.

Well I am not going into podiatry but I do respect the profession greatly. The pay of podiatrists is impressive. Doing cosmetic procedures for the foot that improve both form and function can cost $2000 per toe, to $20,000 per foot. Maybe the GPA and entrance stats are not exceptional, but some of the top podiatrists today might have been proactive in choosing the profession, instead of picking it as an alternate to medicine. Some of these people might have had high GPAs and MCATs.

I think if they are letting NPs be family doctors, then podiatrists could definitely handle it with appropriate additional training.

I don't think most specialists want to respond to every medical situation. They don't want to be responsible, and give a referal.

I know a podiatrist that lives in a big ass house, and he did training at Yale, so you can do well in the field.
 
Uhh, I doubt most procedures are cosmetic. I think most are about functionality.
 
Uhh, I doubt most procedures are cosmetic. I think most are about functionality.

I definitely agree with that statement you made. I have in the past watched a few videos of podiatrists trying to define the term "cosmetic foot surgery" and they say that it is first and foremost fixing the function of the foot, and second making it look good. They say this subsequently makes the foot fit into the high healed shoe better. Now there are some procedures that are just cosmetic, but even the doctors that are leaders in cosmetic foot surgery claim that it is function they are fixing first. One that might be purely cosmetic would be shorting the toe, is that correct? This however eliveates pain in certain shoes. It seems gray to me.
 
We have the same unrestricted DEA license as a MD/DO. If you want to manage those diabetic or high blood pressure patient, you are certainly entitled to and you can prescribe those medications. It's up to you if you have the time and the patience to medically manage everything.


This still fustrates me. Yes you have a general license and DEA meaning that you can prescribe whatever you want. However this does not mean that you should. I can not speak for other states but in NYS, you are limited to your scope only. This means you cannot treat BP or diabetics (even if they cause whatever foot related problems there are). It should be referred to a general physician. For example, dentists are physicians also with unlimited prescribing rights but this one was still penalized for prescribing out of scope.

http://www.op.nysed.gov/oct08.htm

Nora B. Tuliao, New York, NY

Profession: Dentist; Lic. No. 042482; Cal. No. 24018

Regents Action Date: October 21, 2008
Action: Application for consent order granted; Penalty agreed upon: 1 year stayed suspension, 1 year probation, $500 fine.

Summary: Licensee did not contest the charge of issuing a prescription for Prozac 20 mg. and Celexa 20 mg. to a patient, although the prescription was unrelated to any dental condition.


However, lets look at your state... Arizona, from Arizona Board of Podiatry,

"Podiatrist" is synonymous with podiatric physician and surgeon and means a person who, within the limitations of this chapter; is registered and licensed to practice podiatry by means of diagnosis or medical, surgical, mechanical, manipulative or electrical treatment of ailments of the human foot and leg, but does not include amputation of the foot, toe or leg nor administration of an anesthetic other than local.

From Arizona Board of Pharmacy

77. "Prescription order" means either:

(a) An order to a pharmacist for drugs or devices issued and signed by a duly licensed medical practitioner in the authorized course of the practitioner's professional practice.

I do not want to turn this into a debate but the law is clear on what you can and cannot treat. While you guys are highly skilled physicians, you cannot prescribe out of scope. Only MD/DO have generalized prescribing privillages where they can prescribe anything they want. We were taught this way in school, and tested (in fact recent boards question showed RX with out of scope prescribers prescribing things like BCP asking us if we would dispense or not dispense).

On another note, when prescribing to answer other podiatrist and podiatrist student, you can also get into a lot of trouble if you are prescribing for somebody that is not your patient (ie family and friends). This has been said many times even by podiatrists.

SECTION 32-854.01 UNPROFESSIONAL CONDUCT (Arizona Board of Podiatry)

11. Failing or refusing to maintain adequate records on a patient for at least seven years or failing or refusing to make the records available to a physician or another podiatrist within twenty-one days after request and receipt of proper authorization.

14. Prescribing controlled substances to members of the podiatrist's immediate family.

15. Providing any controlled substance or prescription-only drug for other than accepted therapeutic purposes. (Keep in mind that accepted is based on standard of care also)

18. Violating any federal or state law applicable to the practice of podiatry. (Refer to what practice of podiatry is)

From Arizona Board of Pharmacy

Medical practitioner-patient relationship" means that before prescribing, dispensing, or administering a prescription-only drug, prescription-only device, or controlled substance to a person, a medical practitioner, as defined in A.R.S. § 32-1901, shall first conduct a physical examination of that person or have previously conducted a physical examination.

I hope this helps a lot and if anybody has any questions, can PM me. I consider it a professional courtesy when I reject an out of scope RX as it is a professional misconduct itself to cover up for somebody. I am not talking about the unknown but the clear cut ones where a patient is prescribed Ambien 10 mg, #30 for the 5th month in a row.
 
This still fustrates me. Yes you have a general license and DEA meaning that you can prescribe whatever you want. However this does not mean that you should. I can not speak for other states but in NYS, you are limited to your scope only. This means you cannot treat BP or diabetics (even if they cause whatever foot related problems there are). It should be referred to a general physician. For example, dentists are physicians also with unlimited prescribing rights but this one was still penalized for prescribing out of scope.

Are there some states where the scope is pretty broad? Can a podiatrist prescribe marijuana in California after a foot surgery?
 
Are there some states where the scope is pretty broad? Can a podiatrist prescribe marijuana in California after a foot surgery?

If no other thing works, I am sure it is okay. CA has some of the whackiest laws though and while their legislative process means well, is also one of the reasons why they are going bankrupt.
 
marijuana for foot procedure recovery....now i've heard everything

Here is a very sexy cannabis doctor who went to Ross University School of Medicine in the Caribbean. She is board certified in California for Family Medicine. Her practice is on Melrose Ave in Los Angeles. Check out her site:

Sona Patel MD
http://doc420.com/
 
Here is a very sexy cannabis doctor who went to Ross University School of Medicine in the Caribbean. She is board certified in California for Family Medicine. Her practice is on Melrose Ave in Los Angeles. Check out her site:

Sona Patel MD
http://doc420.com/

she looks like a washed up version of heidi montag
 
This still fustrates me. Yes you have a general license and DEA meaning that you can prescribe whatever you want. However this does not mean that you should. I can not speak for other states but in NYS, you are limited to your scope only. This means you cannot treat BP or diabetics (even if they cause whatever foot related problems there are). It should be referred to a general physician. For example, dentists are physicians also with unlimited prescribing rights but this one was still penalized for prescribing out of scope.


http://www.op.nysed.gov/oct08.htm

Nora B. Tuliao, New York, NY

Profession: Dentist; Lic. No. 042482; Cal. No. 24018

Regents Action Date: October 21, 2008
Action: Application for consent order granted; Penalty agreed upon: 1 year stayed suspension, 1 year probation, $500 fine.

Summary: Licensee did not contest the charge of issuing a prescription for Prozac 20 mg. and Celexa 20 mg. to a patient, although the prescription was unrelated to any dental condition.


However, lets look at your state... Arizona, from Arizona Board of Podiatry,

"Podiatrist" is synonymous with podiatric physician and surgeon and means a person who, within the limitations of this chapter; is registered and licensed to practice podiatry by means of diagnosis or medical, surgical, mechanical, manipulative or electrical treatment of ailments of the human foot and leg, but does not include amputation of the foot, toe or leg nor administration of an anesthetic other than local.

From Arizona Board of Pharmacy

77. "Prescription order" means either:

(a) An order to a pharmacist for drugs or devices issued and signed by a duly licensed medical practitioner in the authorized course of the practitioner's professional practice.

I do not want to turn this into a debate but the law is clear on what you can and cannot treat. While you guys are highly skilled physicians, you cannot prescribe out of scope. Only MD/DO have generalized prescribing privillages where they can prescribe anything they want. We were taught this way in school, and tested (in fact recent boards question showed RX with out of scope prescribers prescribing things like BCP asking us if we would dispense or not dispense).

On another note, when prescribing to answer other podiatrist and podiatrist student, you can also get into a lot of trouble if you are prescribing for somebody that is not your patient (ie family and friends). This has been said many times even by podiatrists.

SECTION 32-854.01 UNPROFESSIONAL CONDUCT (Arizona Board of Podiatry)

11. Failing or refusing to maintain adequate records on a patient for at least seven years or failing or refusing to make the records available to a physician or another podiatrist within twenty-one days after request and receipt of proper authorization.

14. Prescribing controlled substances to members of the podiatrist's immediate family.

15. Providing any controlled substance or prescription-only drug for other than accepted therapeutic purposes. (Keep in mind that accepted is based on standard of care also)

18. Violating any federal or state law applicable to the practice of podiatry. (Refer to what practice of podiatry is)

From Arizona Board of Pharmacy

Medical practitioner-patient relationship" means that before prescribing, dispensing, or administering a prescription-only drug, prescription-only device, or controlled substance to a person, a medical practitioner, as defined in A.R.S. § 32-1901, shall first conduct a physical examination of that person or have previously conducted a physical examination.

I hope this helps a lot and if anybody has any questions, can PM me. I consider it a professional courtesy when I reject an out of scope RX as it is a professional misconduct itself to cover up for somebody. I am not talking about the unknown but the clear cut ones where a patient is prescribed Ambien 10 mg, #30 for the 5th month in a row.

I have the ultimate respect for pharmacists and what they do. I use them and encourage doctors of all degrees to take advantage of their training. I routinely give them a call for a medication substitute or dosing suggestions when the patient's current meds or medical conditions warrant it.

However, some pharmacists have made decisions about my prescriptions without knowing my training or the reason behind them. If patient safety is an issue by all means do not fill the Rx. But do not deny an postop antiemetic, hypnotic, or anxiolytic simply because you feel a DPM shouldn't be prescribing it. I had one pharmacist who refused a patient an antiemetic and questioned whether someone who was not a "real doctor" even knew what it was for. I obviously turned him into his state board.

If a DPM is writing obviously out of scope (oral contraceptives), practicing illegally (narcotics abuse), or even routinely writes for obvious in scope meds that may cause harm then turn them in to their state board. But before you condemn a DPM because they wrote for something that "doesn't treat the foot" or is "only something a MD/DO should write for", give the DPM a call and see the reasons they prescribed it. Ambien, xanax/buspar, zofran, Ca channel blockers, vasodilators, schedule 2 narcotics all may be used by DPMs well within their scope.
 
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