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Hi I'm new here. I intend to be pre-med, but I am a bit curious about some of the other health professions as well. I started this thread to find out why the podiatrists on this board became podiatrists. I don't want to start any fighting, just generally curious. I know a lot of people who say "I always wanted to be a doctor...ever since I was five"- is it the same with any of you? Do you have a great passion for feet? Well, if you could tell me what factors influenced your decision to choose podiatry, rather than medicine,dentistry, veterinary, medical, chiropractic or optometry schools I'd really appreciate it. I'm especially interested in why you favored podiatry over podiatry, because they seem a little similar to me. You'll probably see me posing this question on the other boards.

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Well, I'll put in my pennies, which is sure to inflame someone's sensibilities.

Being a podiatrist, but more importantly for me, a first year DO student, my very strong impression is that most pre-med students choose podiatry out of default.

It is very competitive to gain entry into an MD or DO school and pretty much non-competitive to get into a DPM school. Everyone knows how hard a person has to work to even minimally qualify as a candidate for medical school and it has likely taken many years. I was building my resume' for about 9 years before I first applied. There are thousands who do this every year and there are thousands who do not get into MD or DO school. Among those, there are some who become desperate thinking perhaps that they'll never become a doctor and that they've done everything humanly possible to get in. Then, along comes an unsolicited podiatry school flyer. They do some investigation and figure that it's better than NOT becoming a doctor and wasting all of those years of sacrifice.

Now, this is in no way intended to besmirch podiatry. I'm just pointing out what it is I think motivates most pod students to sign up.
 
i think there is alot of truth to that statement, alot of people did choose this out of default or at least became interested in it out of default...
however there are some who chose this position willingly, I myself am one of them, as are lot of others i have spoken with at school, they could all be lying to me but I dont think they are, these are very intelligent people with good study habits, i dont know there mcats but I am guessing they could have obtained entrance into a medical school in the US their senior year of college...

i dont think there is really a problem with that outlook either...
so long as the people who choose this profession out of default explore their options and gain an understanding of what it is to be a pod...although then i guess they are not choosing it out of default but rather by a well informed decsion...

i guess the same thing could be said for alot of dentists and do's...but alot of those who chose their careers out of "default" do make a go out of it and find themselves loving what they do...especially if they checked it our before they applied...
 
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I'm considering podiatry because I like the fact that it's very specialized. Also, I like the idea of only having to work with 1 area of the body. I guess I would rather be a master of one small thing than a jack of all trades. But I'm still investigating....Podiatry or PA. I only wish there was a DPM program a little closer (I'm from TX). Additionally, I keep hearing bad things about the job outlook (i.e. that PT's and MD's cover the scope of practice and therefore there won't be a demand).

Any thoughts?
 
dont stress about the demand
we are definately needed
anyone who tells u something different doesnt have any idea of what they are taking about
there are other specialties that encroach on us
but we do just fine regardless
there is competition amongst all fields...
its tough to navigate through it in the beginning
but you find your niche and bust your butt in the beginning and everything works out fine

PT's definalty are not a threat to us, nothing against them, they just do not have the training to deal with the lower extremity the way we do
the adage goes..once someone gets one bad result form a foot, they never want to touch it again
and given all of the complications that come along with diabetes...bad results are very common

as far the job outlook goes...dont expect a job form a hospital whe you get out..your probably going to have to work at someones office until you either setup your own place or you buy theirs...but make no mistake..getting started is rough

anyways..best advice i can give you is to explore anything that looks interesting...and talk to a few people in practice and see what they think of their fields, most professional schools have a list of alumns you can shadow...so you could try that
..goodluck and keep us posted
-j
 
p.s.
i think there are schools in
arizona(it just opened i think)
cali
ohio
fl
chicago
philly(temple, supposedly beautiful)
NY(where i go)

none in tx(sorry), though i know there are some great residency programs there
-j
 
Ok, let me tell you my little story of pursuing a DPM.

Well, I chose to pursue Podiatry because, as everyone has assumed correctly, I was not a viable candidate for medical school. The first two years were very challenging and fun. We learned all of the basic science courses in-line with any other medical school. And no matter what people tell you, it was very legitimate stuff. It was not watered down like some have said in the past. BUT, here is the twist. The next year (ie, 3rd year) was an absolute joke. We had lectures, but most of our time was spent in clinic doing the same stuff we were taught to do our 2nd year. Ok, to be fair we did do a little more like debride diabetic ulcers and learn how to retract in surgery, but trust me, I was absolutely furious that we were just doing remedial palliative care stuff for 1 whole year. In my humblest opinion, this is where the roads diverges for most, if not all podiatry schools from medical schools.

The 4th year was a breath of fresh air in that we had the option of visiting podiatry residency programs, more correctly termed "externships." Well, not to boast, I was in the top 5% of my class and did externships and visited the best of the best programs. For those DPMers that are reading this I am referring to Northwest, Northern Virginia, Tucker, West Penn, Consortium, etc.. I was so hyped about visiting these places because these were the best of the best and trained the most talented-gifted podiatrists in the nation. But it just didnt do it for me. Yeah, in these programs you were in the OR majority of the time and were doing the "cutting edge" procedures such as hybrid external fixes and reconstructive surgery, but I was not impressed. How could this be? Here are some of the many reasons:

1. MOST of these procedures you will not perform while in practice and if you do it is only because you either teach at these programs or have strong affiliations with these top programs.
2. No matter what you will never escape the negative association of DPM = Doing Palliative Medicine. (Note: Palliative means to treat the symptoms of disease without curing it, such as cutting fungal toenails, Yuck!)
3. When in practice, if you are in the OR at least 4-5 times a month you are successful. (Note: This was a quote from a very successful graduate from Tucker) This is compared to an average orthopedist that is in surgery at least 10-15 times a week.
4. Foot and Ankle Orthopedists on average make $400,000, but a podiatrist makes on average $100,000, and thats being extremely generous.
5. I've heard all the arguments saying that podiatrists are just as well trained as any Foot and Ankle Orthopod in the nation. But I ask this, why go to 4 years of medical school, 5 years of orthopedic training, and 1 year of fellowship to just make $300,000 more a year? Because its worth it! Surgery is more about technique. If you learn to do surgery on all parts of the body from the spine to the foot, you will be more of a confident and capable surgeon than someone who trained for 3 years doing just the foot.
6. "Podiatry is a dying field" and "there are a lot of bad apples out there and our purpose is to train the good ones to overcome the association of the podiatric field with those bad apples" quotes from the attendings at the Consortium.
7. "We are only surgical specialists, we are not responsible for the rest of the body, we do surgery on the foot and have the internists do the other things for the patient." I hate this quote from the first moment I heard it and I still hate it every time I hear it!
8. Ok here is the kicker. I did apply to these programs and was unsuccessful at getting them, but let me tell you this. The interview process is just as messed up as this whole damm profession. At the interview for these programs they ask you specific questions that most attendings wouldnt even know and if for some reason you do well on these interviews you get the program. It doesnt matter if you are in the top 5% of your class, did volunteer work, research, excellent LORs, etc... It all comes down to specific dumb ass questions that dont even match up to measuring ones intelligence. Am I bitter for not getting these programs? Hell no, I am grateful that this whole process revealed my calling, and that is general surgery.

So where am I now? Well luckily for me I researched the option of going back to medical school towards the end of my 3rd year in podiatry school. I re-took my MCATs (Note: podiatry school let me matriculate with a 19 N), got kick ass LORs from the general surgeons I worked with while on my general surgery rotation for podiatry school, did volunteering, and all the rest of the stuff that adcoms look for and will be going to a allopathic school in the US this fall.

I hate to say that this profession sucks, because it really doesnt. It is the best profession for those who have parents or relatives that are podiatrists because it will provide a stable source of employment and patient base when you get out from residency. Plus it gives a descent sense of living for those who want to raise a family and watch their grass grow. But if you really want to help people with their lives go into general medicine. I wish I looked into other options such as post-bacc programs before applying to podiatry school cause I really wanted to cure the sick and not just partially treat their symptoms. But, in retrospect podiatry school was good for me in that it taught me many things about myself and trained my mind to think like a physician, it just didnt provide the opportunity for me to practice to the potential that I wanted.

So, these are my thoughts on podiatry school and the profession. If you can truly be happy doing palliative care then go for it. But if you are going into podiatry to become a surgeon, think twice because it is not all its glamoured up to be. But like everyone says, each and every person is different. If it is your calling go for it and you will never be wrong. For me my calling is general surgery, and even though I am in debt $100,000 it was well damm worth it.

Just my thoughts, cheers!:clap:
 
Plastix.MD,

Strong work and excellent insight. I could not have said it better. Everything you said rung true. Well done!!!!!
I hope other students or potential students read your post and pay heed.

Unfortunately I finished pod school, my residency and practiced four years before I woke up. I quess I was hoping that everything would improve and maybe I was wrong. I am too saddled with the huge debt. On the bright side I am starting my preliminary medicine intership in July and starting my anesthesiology residency in July 2005. Maybe I will see in the OR someday.
Good luck.
 
drjdiz,

Anesthesiology is nice choice (ie, I read your other post) because:
1. Every day is a new day (no chronically ill patients)
2. Work schedule is similar to a "normal" career
3. Avg income is > $200,000 (way way way better than 90% of the pods out there)
4. Everyone in anesthesia is nice, articulate, and very well spoken, at least all of the residents and attendings that I have encountered.

Good luck and have fun during your PGY-1. :clap:
 
hey all
congrats on finding your niche
hope it all works out for u
but i really just want to stress that i KNOW that podiatry is not a dying field...regardless of what some attending said

however i wont argue that there are bad apples in the bunch and that it is an aim of podiatry to overcome the bad assciations that exist

look i am not about to get into a long winded discussion about who makes more money or not....but you can make alot of money in podiatry, in fact you can make as much if not more than alot of the other fields that require an md/do...but of course i am not gonna say that you are gonna earn more than a plastic surgeon b/c by and large..that just isnt true

also some of your stats arent really accurate...a BUSY pod will be in the or/ambulatory surgery center for 3-4 cases a week...try and tell me i am wrong and that i am dreaming or whatever..but this is also something i know is true....however...the pods that favor a more relaxed lifestyle may only do 1 or 2 cases a month
and as far as pallative care goes....i mean its true that we are not going to cure diabetes as DPMs, but we can correct/cure alot of deformities/injuries..alleviate pain, and generally help to improve a pt's life..which is good enough for me and most dentists/anesthiologists(esp pain management)/ rheumotologists/nephrolgists/etc out there

but i think we should all remeber that whatever you are thinking about pursuing..you should do so after really examing all of the pros and cons...be informed before you decide on a career...and do something you love...
and it will all be fine
 
jconway,

I honestly applaud your support for podiatry. I agree that podiatry is not a "dying" field. But it was a little freaky to have a high profile attending state this. I think that you have yet to see what I have seen, but if your heart is in podiatry I can and will not badger you for that. I am sure it is a very well, thought-out decision and am sure you will do well as a podiatrist.

I completely agree that one should evaluate the pro's and con's about a profession before leaping into it blindly. I feel bad for the pre-med students that read this forum to help their decision because it is filled with many negative comments, but I think these comments are necessary because like many, podiatry has scarred me, but in the same sense I would not be in my position were it not for podiatry and the doors it opened for me.

The field of podiatry has promise because it does help diabetics with neuropathic foot ulcers, atheletes with plantar fasciitis, newborns with clubfeet, teens with pes plano valgus, etc... There is a definite need for podiatrists, but you have to have the desire to treat these entities. Many people pursue medicine in hopes of curing the sick, gaining prestige, and developing economic stability. If those are the primary factors driving you to become a physician I have to say that podiatry does not fulfill these criteria as well as other medical professions. But like everything else I have said, this is strictly my opinion. I understand that you may not share a similar view, but I stand firm after having experienced and seen things to convince of this biased, and in my opinion, truthful reality. Whatever the actual reality may be it is refreshing to have optimistic students lead the future of podiatry.

Thank you for giving the other side to this as it makes for a more complete argument. I wish you the best of luck and success in your podiatric endeavors. :)
 
Originally posted by Plastix.MD
...I wish I looked into other options such as post-bacc programs before applying to podiatry school cause I really wanted to cure the sick and not just partially treat their symptoms...

...For me my calling is general surgery-plastics...
I was compelled to post because a few of your comments seem to scream the question, "If you were so turned off by podiatry's scope of practice ('only partially treating symptoms'), then why plastics?" I commend you for having the guts to drop it all and chase your dream, but to say you want to pursue an MD for the sake of plastics when you 'really wanted to cure the sick' makes me a little curious of your motives. I guess it's really none of my business, but heck, if you post it it's fair game. :p
 
First off, podiatry school does a lot of illicit advertising. Yes, I was very naive coming out of undergrad, but was sold on a very tainted image on what podiatry entailed. Should I have done more research? Of course I should have and that is why I stated I should have looked into post-bacc's.

Plastics does not entail just cosmetics. If you knew anything about PRS, you would know that those initials stand for plastic-reconstructive-surgery. If you think walking around with a cleft lip your whole life is not "as sick or ill" as a patient with congestive heart failure I think you have a very skewed view of medicine. Anyways, I really find no need to reinforce an idea that I have brewed and scrutinized for many years. Just wanted to claify the imagination you had about me pursuing PRS to just do "nose jobs" and "lipo."
 
Originally posted by Plastix.MD
...If you knew anything about PRS, you would know that those initials stand for plastic-reconstructive-surgery...

...Just wanted to claify the imagination you had about me pursuing PRS to just do "nose jobs" and "lipo"...
I am aware what PRS stands for and of the various procedures the specialty entails. :)

I'm just surprised that having felt restricted, as a pod, from 'curing the sick,' why it was Plastics that prompted you to give it all up and not Critical Care, Infectious Disease, Oncology, Gen Surg, or Ortho (if it's the surgical rights issue). Sorry, if I've pushed some buttons. Your comments are most informative, and I agree that exposing the negatives of any field is necessary to help assure that applicants arent pursuing a career with false assumptions. It seems as though a lot of ex-pods went into podiatry thinking the field was more like general medicine than dentistry, concerning practice rights, residency, and salary. I can understand the resentment. It's just sad to see guys on here think about quiting because they felt 'lied to' or because of the comfort level they have with the letters after their name. Considering most American kids have a family dentist, those that grow up to be dental students are fully aware of what they're getting themselves into. Unfortunately, this is not the case with podiatry.
 
Originally posted by Buster Douglas
Considering most American kids have a family dentist, those that grow up to be dental students are fully aware of what they're getting themselves into. Unfortunately, this is not the case with podiatry.

Your argument is a good one, even though most American kids do NOT grow up having a family dentist. The bulk of American kids never even visit a dentist. :wow:
 
Interesting thread, I just want to say we pods dont just treat symptoms. We treat pedal manifestations of systemic disease as well as pedal LE disorder. You dont only treat symptoms of diabetic ulcers, fungal infections, infection, fractures ect.
If you want to practice as a MD, I can see podiatry being confining.
Personally, I dont see podiatry being confining at all. There is so much pathology in the LE. At least no more confining than some other specialties.
The draw back is if you dont like what you do as a podiatrist you have to go back to school, but how many MDs actually switch specialties? I would be interested to know. I suspect it is a low number.
 
Nicely put, plastix

I've said the exact things that you mentioned in your post. I've been saying them ad nauseum for the past 2 or 3 years. Like Dr. Diz, I finished pod school, did my pointless residency and chipped and clipped for 3 years. Then, I woke up. I'm now finishing my 1st year of DO school at Western/COMP and I feel like a new man.
 
DPM made it to southern california physician magazine. you guys should check it out. It talks about DPM surgery rights, hospital priviledges with agreement between CMA, COA, CPMA
 
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