Anyone know of how successful applicants are coming out of this program? I'm especially interested if there is a better chance of being accepted to USC Keck for OOS students if they go through this program.
Especially since tuition is $50k
I hate to break the news, but it looks as if the USC MGM management have changed this program from being designed for people wanting to attend medical school to those wanting to enter allied health. They even changed the entire website design. This might seem like a trick in wording to those who hadn't seen -- or remember -- the site from last year, but trust me, the MGM program has changed. I also know the program representatives, and have spoken with them in person several times. Keep reading, trust me.
Have a look at the new program description (that excludes premeds):
http://keck.usc.edu/en/Education/De...of_Science_in_Global_Medicine/Curriculum.aspx
"The Master of Science in Global Medicine is offered by the Departments of Preventive Medicine and Educational Affairs of the Keck School of Medicine. The program aims to train medical, dental, and pharmacy students, current physicians and allied health professionals, and those planning to pursue degrees in the allied health professions to analyze and address critical issues in global medicine."
You don't have to take my opinion for it, but I believe that this program is now officially on par with public health masters programs in regard to the benefit that premedical applicants will receive from completing it in terms of medical school application "enhancement." Like a public health masters, sure, premeds can do it, but it's not for getting your foot in the door anywhere, and it's not going to jump out of the page on your AMCAS profile to application screeners at med schools when your GPA and/or MCAT is low.
However, there is something that you might not be aware of that USC appears to have done to mitigate the essential cancellation of purpose for the MGM program. If you want to know what that is, PM me. I don't want to say anything publicly about it until I know more.
All I'll say is that when Dr. Midlife chased the USC MGM rep off the board with one of her classic harangues, and I tried to mediate and suggest that we work together to help the USC MGM people understand the SMP crowd's needs for more science options and affiliation with their medical campus, USC's MGM managers appear to have listened (to me, that is).
If you want a laugh, and have a few minutes, check out me sparring with Dr. Midlife:
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showpost.php?p=13191079&postcount=9
Here's me saying that USC MGM should collaborate with us to create a hard science track:
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showpost.php?p=13194265&postcount=11
Here's my jewel from this thread:
"Further, and possibly most damaging of all, the USC MGM program will miss feedback from us regarding their ability to structure a program that competes with the hard science SMPs back East. That's my opinion. I already emailed them about tailoring a mostly science courseload in their program, and they didn't seem too keen on it. If they knew what I know, I suspect that they'd encourage more sciences and relatively few global medicine classes. Feedback from this place would help them develop their curriculum. People like the dean of admissions at UCD SOM wouldn't have been telling me that the USC MGM program is soft on the sciences, and not as accurate of a predictor of med school success as the SMPs back East. Think about it."
If I can bask in my own self-satisfaction for another minute or so, I don't believe that I would have learned what I did unless I didn't just take people's advice on this forum for finding SMP only options for my specific academic and personal history. I didn't just "read the low GPA sticky" as Dr. Midlife suggested, or apply to SMPs back East, only.
I hate to say I told you so, Dr. Midlife, and robflwanker, but I told you so.
Thank you so much for sharing this information. I think that it is important to show that distinction and to also do your research especially if you are interested in doing a true SMP. However, I still think this is still an excellent program and for those who are interested in Global Health (like me), it would be a different outlet to maybe separate yourself from thousands of applicants applying. Have you applied to any SMP's?
I'm just going to leave this here:
http://keck.usc.edu/Education/Acade...spx?_id=E4C04DFBB59E4B9C82E07BF4A781F5BB&_z=z
Hi mdformee,
You seem to have a lot of insight and strong opinions for this program. Just curious, where are you applying to instead/where will you be going in the fall? (I'm assuming you're applying for smp this fall).
I do have insight, and opinions, and yes they are strong, but I just don't want to see someone invest time and $ under any type of false pretense that USC's MGM program will perform academic repair, because it won't. On the flip side, their program is good in the ways that a public health program is good for the SMP crowd. Which makes it not for the SMP crowd. That's all I'm trying to say.
Besides, if I hadn't posted what I did about them excluding premeds in their purpose, or removing the "real" science components of their elective options, I have my doubts about any of you knowing this until after you've already showed up to day 1 at the program (and paid tuition, of course). Most of you wouldn't have known that you didn't know, which isn't your fault, but as I've said in earlier threads, I've been researching this program for some time, and my post history shows this.
But in other news, yeah, I'm applying to Touro CA's MSMHS, since it has a great linkage, but I'm also applying to Georgetown. A friend of mine is an alumni of Georgetown, and he wrote me a letter of recommendation. I said that I would apply to Georgetown's SMP to him in 2006, and it's mostly for that reason. This person basically inspired me to leave nursing, and since his background was similar to mine, he showed me that getting into medical school isn't something that is beyond my grasp if I devoted myself 100% to my goal.
What I'm probably (99.9%) going to do (and where I've been accepted, already) is attend UCSF's Biomedical Imaging M.S. program. This program is designed to introduce various imaging techniques aimed at understanding pathologies of disease, morphological characteristics of disease, as well as monitoring response to therapy and assessing the underlying mechanisms and etiologies of everything from vascular disease to meningitis. During this program, I'll be trying to land a research gig under someone at UCSF. This program may also offset the fact that I may be going DO and trying to match into a competitive residency, since it is UCSF, after all.
If I don't have a lot of interviews this Fall, I'll be doing a second year at UCSF by doing the program part time, increasing my research, and including a thesis. If research is limited, or something changes, I will be applying to UC Berkeley for a Masters in Translational Medicine to do during the second year.
I have also applied to USC's Masters in Molecular Microbiology and Immunology, but honestly, the UCSF program is kind of a golden ticket. The USC program is nice, though, and it's courses mirror 1st and 2nd year medical school courses. I'd bet that my USMLE step scores would go up if I did the USC program.
But anyhow, this is the long and short of what it is that I'm doing. When I know more, I'll create a nice, detailed write up titled "California SMP" or something so that people like me with 3.3+ and 30+ scores from California have the benefit of all of this research I've done. I'm writing it in this thread, too, so that people stumble across it eventually, and end up doing more research on the topics and not just applying to Tufts, BU, etc.
PM me with any questions.
Hey MDforMee, I actually called the office of this program again and they said they still have the core systems and principles in their program. So we'll still get some of the hard sciences for the clinical track. Just a bit confused by what you mean when they removed the "real" sciences.
Edit: But I'm also applying for a few other programs as well. Touro MSMHS as you know and will probably do a last minute Tufts and PCOM MS as well.
I like Touro's MSMHS. It's a good program. But anyhow, I quoted "real" sciences because their actual sciences are modules on various diseases, like malaria, TB, etc. They used to have the "real" GM 530 - Foundations of Medicine: Anatomy, Physiology & Pathology (4 units each) series, but cancelled it, this year.
And, sorry for raining on your parade, guys, but IMO USC's MGM reps knew that the program had been changed, and didn't tell any of you about it. The way it sounds to me is that they're still playing that same spiel about 90% of the class getting into medical school thing when you call in, when their website update says that the program isn't for premeds. 👎
Hmm..By cancel, do you mean they moved it from the required courses to electives??
Correct me if I'm wrong..this is the website I get all my info from:
http://keckmed.usc.edu/msgm/curriculum.html
Hmm..By cancel, do you mean they moved it from the required courses to electives??
Correct me if I'm wrong..this is the website I get all my info from:
http://keckmed.usc.edu/msgm/curriculum.html
They had a different website last year. On the older website, it listed the GM 530 courses as electives.
But they still do. It's just split into three different classes.
But they still do. It's just split into three different classes.
I'm in this program. MDforMEE, sorry to say but you are wrong on so many levels.
Evenlf, you are correct. MEDS 530B is offered both fall and spring semesters! I'm taking it right now, and took core principles (now called Foundations of Medical Sciences per Keck SOM)...both are VERY science heavy.Hi Mika252, I just called and verified that the updated website is this one: http://keckmed.usc.edu/msgm/curriculum.html
and also the MEDS 530 series are still part of the curriculum as electives.
Current and previous students have been very successful in their applications, and many have been accepted this cycle. While there is no linkage with Keck SOM, you will be taking small, personal classes with medical school faculty (physicians, deans, physicians that serve on the adcom, etc) and they are all extremely helpful. They are more than willing to answer questions, host admissions workshops, and also prepare students for the interviews. It's on a very personal level, and definitely adds to one's application.Anyone know of how successful applicants are coming out of this program? I'm especially interested if there is a better chance of being accepted to USC Keck for OOS students if they go through this program.
Especially since tuition is $50k
I'm in this program. MDforMEE, sorry to say but you are wrong on so many levels.
Like I said, I don't have anything against the USC MGM program, but in this case:
1. They had a different website last year
2. The new website (that I'd never seen until this year) excludes premeds in its purpose
3. The same new website eliminated the science options
I felt obligated to tell the forum about these changes. If the purpose of the program had changed, and if they eliminated science options, while at the same time, I'd found a potentially better program at USC, well, I'll just leave it at that.
I was also one of the program's biggest defenders, as you can see from my post history. I even volunteered to attend it, at one point. But if the program representatives weren't being honest with you guys, and no one caught what looked to be a shift in the program, that's nearly fraud, and you all would have spent 50k and taken a year out of your lives based on a false assumption. I'm not sure that you're aware of the magnitude of seriousness this type of error I caught has.
Yes you're absolutely right. I'm not sure where he is getting his information from.Both Evenif and I called the office to confirm, this is the official website and it does have the science classes http://keckmed.usc.edu/msgm/curriculum.html
Yes you're absolutely right. I'm not sure where he is getting his information from.
Also, some of the "Global Health Module" courses count for science GPA.
Yes you're absolutely right. I'm not sure where he is getting his information from.
Also, some of the "Global Health Module" courses count for science GPA.

Website
http://keck.usc.edu/Education/Degre...of_Science_in_Global_Medicine/Curriculum.aspx
Program Description on Website
"The Master of Science in Global Medicine is offered by the Departments of Preventive Medicine and Educational Affairs of the Keck School of Medicine. The program aims to train medical, dental, and pharmacy students, current physicians and allied health professionals, and those planning to pursue degrees in the allied health professions to analyze and address critical issues in global medicine."
Allied Health Professions Definition
"Allied health professions are health care professions distinct from dentistry, optometry, nursing, medicine, and pharmacy."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allied_health_professions
Electives
Elective Courses (at least 12 units)
Malaria (2 units)
Tuberculosis(2 units)
Maternal and Child Health I (2 units)
Maternal and Child Health II (2 units)
HIV/AIDS (2 units)
Tropical Diseases (2 units)
Cultural Competence in Health and Medicine (2 units)
Health and Human Rights (2 units)
Health Status of Indigenous Peoples of America (2 units)
Immunity in an Infectious World (2 units)
Emerging and Re-emerging Infectious Diseases (2 units)
Human Hepatitis Viruses (2 units)
Global Toxicity and Carcinogenesis (2 units)
Grantwriting for Non-Government Organizations (2 units)
GM-526 Alternative and Eastern Medicine: A Biomedical Approach (2 units)
GM-550 Clinical Medicine and Healthcare Reform in Taiwan (2 units)
GM-551 Clinical Medicine and Socioeconomic Factors in Uganda (2 units)
I'm out of here.
Jennifer said in a few weeks people will know. If you applied long before the deadline you'll know before then, so probably by the end of the month or maybe even sooner and we'll start hearing back. They also said they'd be taking as many qualified students as possible when I asked for class size. So...no idea what that means!
Website
http://keck.usc.edu/Education/Degre...of_Science_in_Global_Medicine/Curriculum.aspx
Program Description on Website
"The Master of Science in Global Medicine is offered by the Departments of Preventive Medicine and Educational Affairs of the Keck School of Medicine. The program aims to train medical, dental, and pharmacy students, current physicians and allied health professionals, and those planning to pursue degrees in the allied health professions to analyze and address critical issues in global medicine."
Allied Health Professions Definition
"Allied health professions are health care professions distinct from dentistry, optometry, nursing, medicine, and pharmacy."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allied_health_professions
Electives
Elective Courses (at least 12 units)
Malaria (2 units)
Tuberculosis(2 units)
Maternal and Child Health I (2 units)
Maternal and Child Health II (2 units)
HIV/AIDS (2 units)
Tropical Diseases (2 units)
Cultural Competence in Health and Medicine (2 units)
Health and Human Rights (2 units)
Health Status of Indigenous Peoples of America (2 units)
Immunity in an Infectious World (2 units)
Emerging and Re-emerging Infectious Diseases (2 units)
Human Hepatitis Viruses (2 units)
Global Toxicity and Carcinogenesis (2 units)
Grantwriting for Non-Government Organizations (2 units)
GM-526 Alternative and Eastern Medicine: A Biomedical Approach (2 units)
GM-550 Clinical Medicine and Healthcare Reform in Taiwan (2 units)
GM-551 Clinical Medicine and Socioeconomic Factors in Uganda (2 units)
I'm out of here.
Since you're here Erin, can you answer a few questions? Which classes did you take? How are you enjoying them? How long did it take you to hear back? =D And how are you managing your budget and housing?
Again, that's the OLD website.
Mika252, I took a bunch of classes. They all had their ups and downs like any other classes. CORE, as ilovepeaches mentioned, is very intense and is on par w/med school classes. The other electives are unique and interesting. While a couple of the basic required courses can seem to drag on, in retrospect they gave me an incredible base of knowledge of all things health. Of course, some professors are more captivating than others, but yes it is all what you make of it and how much effort you put in. If you take the time to connect with the professors, it will surely benefit you.
Well, I'm surviving on grants and student loans. I applied in February, but didn't have my MCAT score in until mid-June. I think I got my acceptance letter in early July 🙂
Everything that ilovepeaches said is right. Ultimately, you have to make the most out of every opportunity you're given and participate in the available extracurriculars etc.
Good luck everyone! Just work hard and you'll be golden.
Wait...there are grants available for this? o.o
Hello everyone!
I have been following this thread closely for the past few weeks; getting all nervous about when people will find out about acceptance into the program. For people asking about hearing back, I got an acceptance letter in the mail two days ago and sent in my statement of intent yesterday! Soo hello to future classmates. 😛