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I'm interested in doing a lot of overseas rotations/summer programs and want to eventually work with Doctors Without Borders, does anyone know which medical schools put particular emphasis on this or might have better connections/relationships overseas? Any especially cool programs anyone's heard of?
 
I'm interested in doing a lot of overseas rotations/summer programs and want to eventually work with Doctors Without Borders, does anyone know which medical schools put particular emphasis on this or might have better connections/relationships overseas? Any especially cool programs anyone's heard of?
Albert Einstein is pretty famous for its overseas programs.

But seriously, have you sat down and calculated how much a private med school costs? And then compared those costs with how much you'd make in Medicines Sans Frontieres? If you're really, truly serious about doing international medicine, my advice to you is to attend the very cheapest medical school you can: probably your state school. You can do overseas electives from any school with a little extra legwork on your part. However, you're likely to find the debt load of a school with more "established" foreign programs (i.e. a private school) basically forces you to remain stateside in the long run.

Of course, you may ignore this advice if you have the good fortune of being independently wealthy.
 
NYU and UWash come to mind for global health departments that provide opportunities and/or help support international medical rotations. From what I've been reading, it's not very difficult to find a foreign rotation, but you typically have to do the footwork yourself. So it's good to be figuring this out early.

MSF (that's French for DWB) helps defer your student loans, or pays your student loan interest, while you serve: http://www.doctorswithoutborders.org/volunteer/field/physicians.cfm

You can serve as a physician for as little as 6 months. I don't think many people make a career of it.

I HIGHLY recommend that you get some experience doing medical care in terribly impoverished areas, before you bet your career on that flavor of service. It's not for everybody, and you don't have to go to Africa to help the world.

Best of luck to you.
 
Thanks you guys. What I'm hearing is that it sounds like it doesn't really matter where you go to medical school-that you can do international rotations just about anywhere. (Fortunately, money is not an issue for me for med school)

As far as experience goes, I've been working in inner city hospitals and with indigent populations for a couple years now. Does this count as the experience you were talking about? I've worked in clinics as a volunteer and patient care assistant and as a clinical researcher. What other things would you reccomend doing before doing any serious abroad rotations/volunteering so I can be more useful?
 
Awesome. I was going to start a thread on the exact same topic in a week or two. U of Rochester also has some sort of international health experience program.
 
I'm interested in doing a lot of overseas rotations/summer programs and want to eventually work with Doctors Without Borders, does anyone know which medical schools put particular emphasis on this or might have better connections/relationships overseas? Any especially cool programs anyone's heard of?

Hey- I was in the exact same position you're in when I applied to med school and ended up at the University of Miami, at the suggestion of Paul Farmer. I really can't say enough good about it. You can get some info at http://www.jayweisscenter.org for the student pathway and residency program they run. My personal bias is that it's hard to beat, although Harvard, and Baylor are up there too with their programs-- it's very very different than schools that just offer opportunities abroad. Your coursework, research, preceptor sessions etc are all tied in to social medicine, so you are constantly engaged in that mindset. Lots of international opportunities here, plus if you've ever been to Miami, you'll know you dont have to go very far to feel like you're in a foreign country.
 
With respect to finding out how well you stomach international work before diving in:

If you are working in impoverished areas in the US, with immigrants and urban poor, that's awesome preparation. But you can go home at night, right? It would be useful to find out how you like it when the comforts of home are simply not available.

Discomfort might seem trivial, but if you are in a high humidity area and you can't take a shower, or there's lots of dust and you can't do laundry or get clean, or you're claustrophobic under a mosquito net, that kind of thing, it's good to find out how well you tolerate it. Do you have asthma? Can you handle heat? altitude? monsoons? For how long? Discomfort can trump altruism. I think it's a good idea to do at least one very modest homestay overseas before you sign up for a global health career.

There are lots of other factors about overseas work, which can be exhausting to some people, that you're probably already exposed to in the US. Language barriers. Racism aimed at every color. Hopelessness. Institutional failures. I think global health work has a special flavor of day-after-day-how-do-I-keep-doing-this-ness.

But maybe I don't know anything. I'm just a premed who's done about a month of patient care in Central America. Can't wait to do more, really.
 
Here are some resources I found:

UCSF
- program listing: http://www.medschool.ucsf.edu/intlprograms/Programs/
- also, from their curriculum, you get 27 weeks of "discretionary" electives, including up to a month out of the country. http://medschool.ucsf.edu/curriculum/clinical/guide/section6/advancedstudies.asp
- get on their listserv! http://www.medschool.ucsf.edu/interest_groups/International

Arizona
- http://www.globalhealth.arizona.edu/

U of Washington
http://depts.washington.edu/ihg/

PIH
- this is Paul Farmer's org. Sometimes they take med students for special need areas. http://www.pih.org

NYU
- Center for Global Health through the med school offers a track, not clear if it's pre-residency: http://globalhealth.med.nyu.edu/whatwedo/ghtrack.html

Doctors for Global Health: http://www.dghonline.org/index.html
 
Agree with above posters, cheap school is good.

I can tell you that "international work" is one of those things that almost every med student plans to do, much in the same way that 80% of students "plan" to stay in academics even though only 5% do.

I wasn't pointing that out to discourage, merely to state that whereever you go there will be plenty of talk about international medicine.

If you're really interested in it I'd suggest you start reading up on stuff and if you're REALLY interested in it look into an MPH or something like that. So many students seem to think that going to central america for 2 weeks and handing out ibuprofen is "relief work."

From JAMA 2006

Duffle Bag Medicine[A Piece of My Mind]
Roberts, Maya YSM II

WHILE THE SELF-STYLED MEDICAL MISSIONARIES ARE piling into the back of the truck, I spot a young man, at most 19, wearing a cowboy hat, smoking a cigarette, and leaning against the makeshift frame that converts the backs of pickups into the primary form of public transportation here in Guatemala. He is not a licensed medical professional; he is an American on vacation and he is about to distribute medication to patients.

I do not think he is aware of the power he radiates in this community. We are in a modest-sized village in the temperate green midlands of Guatemala, the coffee region. The most substantial source of income here is from day labor on the plantations, during the November-to-March harvesting season. Clean bottled water and fresh produce can be purchased at a lively outdoor market on Tuesdays and Fridays. However, for most families, these are luxuries that agricultural day labor cannot consistently support.

This impoverished community has been home to a religious mission for 30 years. The mission orchestrates various projects, including coffee production for export, a reforestation initiative, and a permanent medical clinic. The mission also sponsors transient field clinics: groups of visiting physicians and nonmedical volunteers travel to various remote satellites of this village and deliver medical care for the day.

While conducting nutritional research here, I have watched groups arrive, travel to deliver care at transient day clinics, and depart after a week. The main goal of these clinics is for the volunteers to listen to medical concerns and to dispense medication to all who arrive. Some missionary groups have only one physician for every dozen or so volunteers. The physicians traveling with the group are responsible for delivering the care and for supervising the others, in an unavoidably hectic makeshift clinic. Some of the missionaries speak Spanish, but most do not. I have not come across a missionary who speaks Kaqchiquel, which is the only language spoken by many people in the remote areas. One volunteer I spoke with translates Spanish for a group. This interpreter tells me that they all bring heavy duffle bags full of drugs, and by the end of the trip they hand out whatever is left, whatever they can, whatever the illness.

The teenager I spotted wears ripped jeans while working in the midst of a prevailing culture where even the poorest tuck in their shirts. He has confidently slung a stethoscope around his neck, proclaiming an ability to provide medical care, an assertion that is at best questionable. He is from a small US town; all he needs to do to be part of this transient medical team is to finance his flight to Guatemala. He freely donates his time and energy, but he delivers “care” without the appropriate training, without knowledge of the predominant language, and without any clear accountability.

For many volunteers, this is not just about a mission, religious or medical. The mission's administration ensures that this project also provides a wholesome family vacation destination. These missionaries bring donated pills—vitamins, acetaminophen, antibiotics. They also bring their stylishly sloppy jeans, their teenagers, and their hunger for their homeland's cuisine, served three times a day in the mission's cafeteria. This young man and his group are genuinely proud that they spend their vacation here and are especially proud of their contribution. But I worry that this pride prevents them from acknowledging that their actions may actually be harmful and do not necessarily address the complex needs of this community. Their short-term work is not integrated into a local infrastructure. Health promoters—local men and women trained to recognize serious ailments and to treat minor ones—are not introduced to these groups. Public health and preventive measures are not part of the overarching goals for the transient clinics; this inhibits the project's long-term potential and puts the community at risk of receiving inappropriate care.

An ex-patriot friend of mine living in this community suggested this mental exercise:

A foreigner sets up a clinic in your city. He does not speak much English, he will leave after a week or so, and he is not very likely to ever return. This foreigner tells you that he is a physician in his home country, but that he has never been to your community before and is not going to be working with your family physician or with other health professionals in your local health care structure. Would you take your children to see him if you had any other choice?

The people in this area do not have many options for medical care. Their community is rife with hunger, poverty, malnutrition, and high infant mortality. This community has severe medical needs and meager options for how to address them; it has become a practicing ground for first-year medical students and a venue where well-meaning missionaries can feel good about a one-time contribution without ultimately being responsible for their actions. These day clinics focus on treating as many patients as possible. “First do no harm,” which could serve as a point of reflection and perhaps as one safeguard, has not been incorporated into the ideology.

Let us explore a very simple example: vitamins.

A shipment of donated vitamins arrives to help this malnourished community. Missionaries load it into the pickup trucks, set up clinic, and give a bottle of vitamins to every parent who arrives. The volunteers emphasize to the parent that the vitamins are important and that they help children grow healthy and strong.

There are a number of possible outcomes from this gift:

1. The child eats the vitamins, but, like many children, eats most of the bottle in one sitting and gets constipated. The vitamins do not eliminate the parasites, which continue to inhabit his gut, and the child now has the unenviable combination of persistent parasitic infection and vitamin-induced constipation.
2. The child takes the vitamins and also happens to feel better. The next time an illness occurs, the mother drags the child down to the permanent clinic, because there is no field clinic that day, and tells the physician she needs vitamins. The physician explains that what the child really needs in metronidazole. She explains that she will give her child both. The physician writes both prescriptions, assuming that the vitamins will not harm the patient. The mother heads to the pharmacy, where she is told that the metronidazole is 14Q (queztales), and the vitamins are 50Q. She has enough for the previously suggested vitamins but decides to skip the unfamiliar drug.
3. Many Guatemalan-produced vitamins are not in chewable form; they are injectables. Local health promoters tell me that vitamin B12 is thought to give a high upon injection. Following the volunteers' encouragement of vitamin use, there is a subsequent increase in complications from the nonsterile injections.
There are serious risks associated with eager distribution and inappropriate use of antibiotics. This is indeed an issue for the transient clinics. However, when volunteers follow neither their home country's guidelines nor those of the local system, even the distribution of seemingly innocuous pills, like vitamins, can be frankly dangerous.

The use of untrained volunteers to deliver care and medication is not acceptable in the United States and should not be considered acceptable elsewhere. The inability to follow up with patients and the lack of long-term responsibility for medical care is a serious and largely ignored problem. This community does offer a legitimate opportunity for physicians to evaluate people who are ill, but no one can ultimately benefit from medical care that has no accountability.

Instead of trying to fine-tune this type of missionary involvement, I would like to propose restructuring how the volunteers interact with the community. First, volunteers should reflect on how their specific strengths can address the prevailing medical needs of the community. Non–medically trained missionaries can still address health issues, perhaps through the collaborative creation of a culturally sensitive teaching program. Some programs can run almost entirely on the energy and human companionship that all volunteers can bring. They can gather up children to draw a Guatemalan version of the food pyramid with chalk on one of the few paved roads in town. They can spend the afternoon cooking and cleaning with various families, observing the Guatemalans' practices and reflecting on their own culture's similarities and differences. Volunteers who want to donate money or supplies can refill local health promoters' medical kits.

Finally, missionaries with genuine medical experience can reinforce the local medical infrastructure. They can review and revise local medical kits with the health promoters, teaching about medicine in the process. Clinicians should strive to integrate with the local staff and existing medical system. They should not enable or support nonmedical volunteers delivering poorly controlled care. Honest acknowledgment of limitations permits volunteers to work more effectively and to provide prudent care with a lasting, positive impact.

The young man on the back of the pickup truck neither demonstrated adequate respect for the standards of this community, nor exhibited insight into the consequences of his actions. Instead, he was fearlessly confident in his ability to help the local population, limited only by the number of vitamins and antibiotics he carried.

There is profound need in this community, but right now the vast amount of donated time, energy, and money does more to stoke the egos of the Americans sojourning here than it does to improve the lives of these Guatemaltecas. We need to respect the cultural setting and the local health care infrastructure while we are volunteering our services. We need to take long-term responsibility for our actions and for those we oversee. We must begin by acknowledging our own social history because recognizing the attitude we bring to our patients enables us to deliver effective care.

Maya Roberts, YSM II

New Haven, Connecticut, [email protected]

A PIECE OF MY MIND (Young RK, ed)
 
The people in this area do not have many options for medical care. Their community is rife with hunger, poverty, malnutrition, and high infant mortality. This community has severe medical needs and meager options for how to address them; it has become a practicing ground for first-year medical students and a venue where well-meaning missionaries can feel good about a one-time contribution without ultimately being responsible for their actions.

The use of untrained volunteers to deliver care and medication is not acceptable in the United States and should not be considered acceptable elsewhere. The inability to follow up with patients and the lack of long-term responsibility for medical care is a serious and largely ignored problem. This community does offer a legitimate opportunity for physicians to evaluate people who are ill, but no one can ultimately benefit from medical care that has no accountability.

Amory - Thanks for posting this excellent article. It really outlines the difficulties of practicing community-based medicine when you're not able to provide continuity of care at the same time.

I agree with Maya Roberts - it's frustrating to see med students participate in immigrant-based/international-based "volunteer" things in which idealism outweighs practical considerations. (I've been guilty of this myself, so maybe I shouldn't talk.) For instance, a lot of students set up student-run, urban health clinics for illegal immigrants. That's great, but most of the clinics are set up for evenings and weekends, when most students are free. However, many urban illegal immigrants work in restaurants (dishwashers, waiters, line cooks, janitors, etc), so their peak work hours are in the evenings and the weekends. Or a lot of students want to set up HIV or TB screenings for immigrants, which is a great idea. Until you stop and consider what you're going to do in the event that someone has a positive test. How are you going to make sure that they get adequate treatment? Would you know where to they can go to get treatment, without needing to present a social security number? How expensive will this treatment be? etc.

As far as experience goes, I've been working in inner city hospitals and with indigent populations for a couple years now. Does this count as the experience you were talking about? I've worked in clinics as a volunteer and patient care assistant and as a clinical researcher. What other things would you reccomend doing before doing any serious abroad rotations/volunteering so I can be more useful?

Honestly - just go to med school, and learn as much as you can in your MS1/MS2/MS3 years. In order to do truly useful work as a volunteer, it's important to understand the practical aspects of delivering care in community-based (as opposed to hospital-based) medicine.

I really think that getting solid clinical experience as a med student is the best preparation you can have for serious international rotations, because you'll know how to deliver good care in the most practical way.
 
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