How many students do not receive admission?

Hey everyone. I've used the search function and cannot find an answer to a very specific question: How many applicants do not receive admission to ANY school? I saw on the AACP website that Pharmacy schools received over 90,000 apps and only 10,000 or so people were enrolled last year. Surely the 90,000 number is referring to number of applications and not applicants because I find it hard to believe that 80,000 or so do not get in. Thanks in advance for your responses. The information will be very helpful to me because I am trying to decide if I should apply to some masters programs as well.

Good question -- we should form a pharmacy society or something for rejects; didn't i read somewhere that the ms program was for those who got rejected to the doctorate program? anyone receiving an invitation yet? also, what's the rate for the ms program? Application is available for those who is interested in this society/organization, application fee: None. Feel free to e-mail or PM me...yes, you can be anonymous about it...this will definitely help, 👍

Even if 50% got in, you should still have a backup plan.

Those trying to do two years can just keep working toward a degree. Those of us graduating will have to start paying back loans in six months if we don't enroll in some kind of graduate program.

I'd love to just apply again the next year, but that's not a luxury I'd have. I need to get my act together, accept this possibility, and register for the GRE 🙁

AcesFull said:

Hey everyone. I've used the search function and cannot find an answer to a very specific question: How many applicants do not receive admission to ANY school? I saw on the AACP website that Pharmacy schools received over 90,000 apps and only 10,000 or so people were enrolled last year. Surely the 90,000 number is referring to number of applications and not applicants because I find it hard to believe that 80,000 or so do not get in. Thanks in advance for your responses. The information will be very helpful to me because I am trying to decide if I should apply to some masters programs as well.

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It will depend on the strength of your application. If you have good scores as well as a strong personal statement, LOR, and interview, then chances are very good you'll be admitted.

AcesFull said:

How many applicants do not receive admission to ANY school?

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From what I have seen, acceptance rates to medical profession programs ranges from 6 - 16% at ANY school.

ForcedEntry said:

From what I have seen, acceptance rates
to medical profession programs ranges from 6 - 16% at ANY school.

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But that's also because there's zillions of premeds and post-bacs.

binghamkid said:

It will depend on the strength of your application. If you have good scores as well as a strong personal statement, LOR, and interview, then chances are very good you'll be admitted.

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This is easier said than selected...with over 90,000 this is a tough task for most admission officer...but i would like to know the specific of the rejections...specifically, it's funny how you get a well-prepared rejection letter saying we had a competitive pool this year, so and so, please call or email us for specific reason...try again next year or apply to another program (ms)...why don't they just said it directly to face, you should apply to another program but not pharmacy, it's unlikely we will accept you, don't waste your money! this is interpreted as good-luck in your academic endeavors.....and so if it's had to do with GPA, i would physically go there myself and look at every applicant's application...detail-ly (my word specific), why was this student's GPA lower than mine and got accepted, or why i had experience but this student did not, etc...did it had to do with my race, sex, or what?? really???....ok it's not biased...then something got to give...his may sounds like a Hollywood movie ...as students we do not have access to the so-called admission "top secret" or confidential file....

rxgales said:

This is easier said than selected...with over 90,000 this is a tough task for most admission officer...but i would like to know the specific of the rejections...specifically, it's funny how you get a well-prepared rejection letter saying we had a competitive pool this year, so and so, please call or email us for specific reason...try again next year or apply to another program (ms)...why don't they just said it directly to face, you should apply to another program but not pharmacy, it's unlikely we will accept you again, don't waste your money! .....and so if it's had to do with GPA, i would physically go there myself and look at every applicant's application...detail-ly (my word specific), why was this student's GPA lower than mine and got accepted, or why i had experience but this student did not, etc...did it had to do with my race, sex, or what?? really???....ok it's not biased...then something got to give....ok this may sounds like a Hollywood movie ...but really as students we do not have access to the so-called admission "top secret" or confidential file....

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No.

Asking why he got in and you diiiiiidn't is simply whining. What you need to do is go back to the admissions folks and ask what you can do to strengthen YOUR application.

It's really not your business why someone else got in over you, and the adcom owes you nothing in the form of explanation why they made the choices they did. It could be something as simple as "that person was an in-state applicant," or "that person dressed more appropriately" or "that persn represents a minority group we're trying to attract," or anything else. It's not important why someone else was selected; you need to find out what to do to improve YOUR application to give yourself the best chance at being the one who gets selected next time.

Change your perspective on "how come he got in and I didn't????" Seriously- if someone approached me with that attitude, I'd make sure their application got put waaaaaay down in the pile, and I certainly wouldn't be interested in finding out what's so special about it. On the other hand, if you contacted me and said you missed selecttion for this year and you'd like some suggestions for strengthening your application for next year, it will sho that you're interested in improving your chances, not just in denigrating others' applications.

I hope that makes sense to you. Best of luck.....

rxgales said:

This is easier said than selected...with over 90,000 this is a tough task for most admission officer...but i would like to know the specific of the rejections...specifically, it's funny how you get a well-prepared rejection letter saying we had a competitive pool this year, so and so, please call or email us for specific reason...try again next year or apply to another program (ms)...why don't they just said it directly to face, you should apply to another program but not pharmacy, it's unlikely we will accept you, don't waste your money! this is interpreted as good-luck in your academic endeavors.....and so if it's had to do with GPA, i would physically go there myself and look at every applicant's application...detail-ly (my word specific), why was this student's GPA lower than mine and got accepted, or why i had experience but this student did not, etc...did it had to do with my race, sex, or what?? really???....ok it's not biased...then something got to give...his may sounds like a Hollywood movie ...as students we do not have access to the so-called admission "top secret" or confidential file....

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First of all, the attitude with which you react to a reject letter will determine many things. If you decide that the rejection letter means that you should not become a pharmacist, then so be it. Frankly, that's not what a rejection letter means. If you believe that the admissions committee likes to reject people, then you're not giving them enough credit as an institution. The reason your desired profession is respected and hard to get into is because there's only a limited # of spots. An institution will look out for themselves first: They have NO obligation to you as a candidate to pick you or to tell you not to apply. By applying to their institution, you are playing in their court and as a result, you have to abide by their rules. However, their rules are fair and apply to every single applicant. You can choose to believe that, when they say "the pool is competitive and that they wish you the best of luck on your endeavors", that you are a failure and that you can't ever be a pharmacist, or you can take it upon yourself to figure out what you need to do to get past that competitive pool. If you want to be a pharmacist that badly, you won't let something like a rejection letter stop you. As an individual desiring to become a professional, think, act, and speak like a professional should. There is no place for defeatism or a sense of entitlement in the academic or work environment. You must decide what you want to achieve, and determine how to achieve it.

In the meantime, while you're sitting there complaining how life is unfair, the other candidates who were rejected are already quietly preparing their applications, calling up the admissions office and requesting an overview of their file so they can determine what they need to do to strengthen their application. Their attitude is progressive and constructive, and the admissions committee will commend them and recognize them for that. While it will not guarantee admission, it will definitely go a long way. There is no one RIGHT way to get into pharmacy school. GPA and PCAT are just numbers which they can base part of their consideration of the application. The rest of the application revolves around you and your personality. Are you a leader? Are you willing to collaborate with others? Do you have a proper mentality and work ethic needed as a pharmacist? Why do you want to be a pharmacist? Who are you as an individual? Can you communicate well? These are all questions they will consider. No matter what happens, everyone who gets into pharmacy school deserves to go to pharmacy school because the admissions committee has made a qualified decision based on the information they have. Undoubtedly, many qualified individuals also get rejected even though they deserve to go to pharmacy school as well. However, it's not your place as an applicant to call their ability to judge applications into question. You have a right to apply; in doing so, you should accept that the process is how the process is. Be a professional and play by the rules of your profession.

According to this TABLE, there were 14,650 applicants through PharmCAS. Of those people, 4,932 were offered at least one acceptance while 9,718 people had no acceptance. That means that about 33.7% of PharmCAS applicants get in to at least one PharmCAS school. Of course, this stat does not include the non-PharmCAS schools but this percentage provides some information on acceptance rates.

do those numbers include incomplete applications as well as complete?

i wonder how many people apply and their applications aren't complete or they never meet the requirements.

leoproductionz said:

do those numbers include incomplete applications as well as complete?

i wonder how many people apply and their applications aren't complete or they never meet the requirements.

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A lot. A look at individual school websites reveals that a lot of them reject 50% of applicants just for not meeting the requirements.

leoproductionz said:

do those numbers include incomplete applications as well as complete?

i wonder how many people apply and their applications aren't complete or they never meet the requirements.

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That number is looking the number of applicants who used the PharmCAS system, so I suppose that number includes people with incomplete applications.

Besides, those who do not complete the applications due to missing the deadline, not having the necessary coursework, etc. really aren't true rejections in the sense that the school considered and rejected them. These people rejected themselves that is separate from the issue of competitiveness in pharmacy school admissions. The true answer to how difficult getting into pharmacy school comes from how many people with completed applications. Considering incomplete applications would skew the numbers toward higher difficulty since the incompleteness of the application most likely had nothing to do with the difficulty of acceptance.

I think the ultimate number we are trying to get at is how many qualified students meeting the minimum requirements (GPA, PCAT, completed prerequisites, completed application) do NOT gain acceptance into a pharmacy school.

The additional problem we have with getting this magic number is you'll have fully qualified students applying to a few schools that greatly surpass their statistics.

For example, a fully qualified student who has a 3.2 only applying to USN and UCSD. Now, before everyone jumps on me and says GPA is only part of the application, that isn't my ultimate point. Say this student could have gotten into a new program (ie Sullivan, Jefferson, etc...) but didn't apply...well then that skews what you're ultimately trying to get.

So what I wanna knows....is there a way to tease out this number?

confettiflyer said:

I think the ultimate number we are trying to get at is how many qualified students meeting the minimum requirements (GPA, PCAT, completed prerequisites, completed application) do NOT gain acceptance into a pharmacy school.

The additional problem we have with getting this magic number is you'll have fully qualified students applying to a few schools that greatly surpass their statistics.

For example, a fully qualified student who has a 3.2 only applying to USN and UCSD. Now, before everyone jumps on me and says GPA is only part of the application, that isn't my ultimate point. Say this student could have gotten into a new program (ie Sullivan, Jefferson, etc...) but didn't apply...well then that skews what you're ultimately trying to get.

So what I wanna knows....is there a way to tease out this number?

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That is a valid point. Obviously, the difficulty for a 4.0 GPA, 99 PCAT student is quite lower than the 3.0 GPA, 70 PCAT student. However, I haven't seen anything from AACP that breaks the acceptance rates down by GPA in general or at each school.

OOPS i totally had a grammar error at the end...dang it, and i spent a better part of today complaining about poor grammar. doh 🙁

I think that, in the end, this number is impossible to tease out as you'd have to ask "what if" this student applied to X or Y easier school. There would be too many assumptions involved regarding the applicant's interview performance and the actions of each individual adcom at each hypothetical school.

hey i just have one question. Im in my first year of pre- pharmacy at a community college and would like to no you recomondation on the path i need to follow. Do i need to apply straight to pharmacy school or do i need to finish my first 4 years?

hey i just have one quick question. Im in my first year of pre-pharmacy t a community college and i would like your advice on what path i should follow. Do i need to finish my four years or can i apply to pharmacy school right after my 2 years.