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Hello.

Hopefully I am welcome here as I am not a Psychologist, student nor plan on being one. My name is Jimmie Gonzalez and I am a writer/director currently writing a screenplay which involves a Psychology student starting an internship at a Psychiatric hospital.

I was hoping to either open a thread answering some questions or better yet meet someone who can officially be a credited consultant in these PRE stages of a new independant film.

Below is an example of some of the questions and key plot points that I would like to solodify:

- How many years of schooling would a student require to be a Doctor of psychology?

- How soon after receiving a doctorate would a psychiatrist start an internship.

- Would an intern be allowed to see patients one on one.


Anyone interested please repsond to this thread or contact me @ [email protected]


Thank You
Jimmie Gonzalez
Spacetoonz Films
 
You use the terms psychologist and psychiatrist almost interchangeably.

The training process is quite different.

Psychiatry: 4 years college --> 4 years medical school --> 4 years of residency (the first year of which is the 'intern' year) --> possible 1-2 years of fellowship if specializing within the field of psychiatry.
You are a physician once you graduate from medical school. You can specialize in a wide variety of medical fields, such as surgery, medicine, pediatrics, and psychiatry. This process of specialization is done via residency. As a psychiatrist, you are qualified to treat mental health issues and can prescribe medications. You can see patients on your own as an intern - in fact, you do this in medical school. As medicine is a hierarchy in which you consult your superiors, however, you are expected to consult with those who have had more training than you during medical school, intern year, and throughout the rest of residency.

Psychology: 4 years college --> graduate school
I am more hazy on the details of this as it specifically relates to psychology, although I think graduate school to obtain a Ph.D. in this field is usually ~ 5 years. Not everyone who calls themself a psychologist has a Ph.D., however. Some obtain master's degrees. There is another option for graduate psychology education called the PsyD, which is similar in some ways to a Ph.D., although I believe it is generally slightly less lengthy. If you want a more detailed account of psychology training, you could try posting in the psychology forum.
Most psychologists focus on therapy training during their graduate work. Both psychiatrists and psychologists are qualified to perform therapy.
 
There is a bit of confusion in your post - psychology and psychiatry are two different disciplines. You'll get more feedback if you post this on the psychology board. But in a nutshell, I've provided some brief answers to your questions - for clinical psychology.

spacetoonz said:
- How many years of schooling would a student require to be a Doctor of psychology?
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Psychologists complete a 4-year bachelor's degree, and then attend graduate school. The amount of time varies, but graduate school is typically 4 or 5 years, followed by 1 year of internship (see below).

spacetoonz said:
- How soon after receiving a doctorate would a [psychologist] start an internship.
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For clinical psychologists, the internship year is a requirement for the doctorate. Therefore, psychologists complete 4 or 5 years of graduate school, followed by a year of internship (thus, total time is typically 5 or 6 years). Following successful completion of the internship, the PhD (or PsyD) is awarded.

spacetoonz said:
- Would an intern be allowed to see patients one on one.
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Yes. In fact, psychology grad students see patients one on one, as well. Assessment training begins in year 1 of graduate school, and therapy training typically begins in the 2nd year of grad school. Thus, by the time they leave for internship, psychology trainees have already completed several years of one on one clincal work. BUT, as grad students and interns are unlicensed, all clinical work is supervised. That means students/interns see patients and then discuss the case with the supervisor. The supervisor carries the liability for the case, as does the training institution.


Anyone interested please repsond to this thread or contact me @ [email protected]


Thank You
Jimmie Gonzalez
Spacetoonz Films[/QUOTE]
 
Just a few clarifying points:

Clinical psychologist is a protected term (much like psychiatrist, etc), so it is a doctoral level clinical (there were some OLD grandfathered MS people, but that might include 4-5 people in the entire nation, if that) Training is typically 4-5 years of grad school, 1 year internship. The degree is given then.....but there is still a 1-2 year post doc, then licensure. PhDs/PsyDs go through the same clinical training, though (in general) there is more of a research focus for PhDs and more of a clinical focus for PsyDs.

Both a psychiatrist and clinical psychologist can work in a hospital and see patients, but in two different capacities. A psychiatrist hands med management, psych-related medical issues, etc. A clinical psychologist handles psych assessments/report writing, therapy/intervention, etc.

-t
 
Spacetoonz,

It seems like you're trying to find a PsychIATRIST as a consultant. A PsychIATRIST, having attended medical school, is a doctor in the true sense of the word. With a medical license and the ability to prescribe medications and perform procedures (eg ElectroConvulsive Therapy), the PsychIATRIST has a fuller picture of mental illness.

A PsychIATRIST is going to have a better sense of work in a PsychIATRIC hospital. A PsychOLOGIST, on the other hand, plays a supporting role to the PsychIATRIST. It's important to choose your consultants carefully. Good luck in your search.
 
PsychMD2100 said:
Spacetoonz,

It seems like you're trying to find a PsychIATRIST as a consultant. A PsychIATRIST, having attended medical school, is a doctor in the true sense of the word. With a medical license and the ability to prescribe medications and perform procedures (eg ElectroConvulsive Therapy), the PsychIATRIST has a fuller picture of mental illness.
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Uhm.....

PsychMD2100 said:
A PsychIATRIST is going to have a better sense of work in a PsychIATRIC hospital. A PsychOLOGIST, on the other hand, plays a supporting role to the PsychIATRIST. It's important to choose your consultants carefully. Good luck in your search.
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Both are independent practitioners, one doesn't play a 'support' role to the other.

-t
 
billypilgrim37 said:
Looks like somebody failed Latin 1. 😉
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psych=mind; iatrieia=healing, care; logia=study of.

I think that should give a sense of how psychiatrists and psychologists are different.
 
Therapist4Chnge said:
Uhm.....



Both are independent practitioners, one doesn't play a 'support' role to the other.

-t
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Therapist4Change,

I stand by my earlier post that PsychIATRISTS have a fuller picture of mental health. As a PsychOLOGIST, how do you treat metabolic abnormalities, overdoses, and other Axis III conditions?

As an "independent practitioner", do you admit patients to the hospital? As a PsychOLOGIST, what do you do when someone has to be committed involuntarily? While Florida may have its own laws, every state in which I've worked does not allow PsychOLOGISTS to make these kind of decisions.

To Spacetoonz, find a PsychIATRIST. A PsychOLOGIST simply supports the PsychIATRIST.
 
PsychMD2100 said:
Therapist4Change,

I stand by my earlier post that PsychIATRISTS have a fuller picture of mental health. As a PsychOLOGIST, how do you treat metabolic abnormalities, overdoses, and other Axis III conditions?

As an "independent practitioner", do you admit patients to the hospital? As a PsychOLOGIST, what do you do when someone has to be committed involuntarily? While Florida may have its own laws, every state in which I've worked does not allow PsychOLOGISTS to make these kind of decisions.

To Spacetoonz, find a PsychIATRIST. A PsychOLOGIST simply supports the PsychIATRIST.
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Psychologists can play a supportive role to a psychiatrist, e.g. in an inpatient psychiatric hospital where the psychologist is consulted for assessments but the psychiatrist basically leads the team.

But psychologists do all sorts of things on their own too, don't they? Can't someone who wants to see a psychologist just go ... and see one? For therapy, for example.

Or if a school district wants to assess children for whatever reason, who do they hire? A psychologist, no?

I'm not a psychologist, so I'm sure there a tons of other examples I don't know about, but there are at least those.

Psychologists can also do independent research, no? So I conclude that the raison d'etre of psychologists is far, far, far more broad than simply to assist psychiatrists.
 
Then we should agree to disagree. The vast majority of the research surrounding mental illness, dx'ing, etc is done by PsychOLOGISTS, and the last time I checked, that is how we are informed as practitioners.

A hospital is only a small area of practice for psychology, so instead of nitpicking and trying to subjugate psychology, you should instead learn a bit more before spouting off generalities and misinformation. I am sure you know everything there is to know while still in training, but in the event you may still have more to learn, I'd add this topic to the list. The scope of practice of psychology extends beyond the walls of a hospital.

-t
 
spacetoonz said:
Hello.

Hopefully I am welcome here as I am not a Psychologist, student nor plan on being one. My name is Jimmie Gonzalez and I am a writer/director currently writing a screenplay which involves a Psychology student starting an internship at a Psychiatric hospital.

I was hoping to either open a thread answering some questions or better yet meet someone who can officially be a credited consultant in these PRE stages of a new independant film.

Below is an example of some of the questions and key plot points that I would like to solodify:

- How many years of schooling would a student require to be a Doctor of psychology?

- How soon after receiving a doctorate would a psychiatrist start an internship.

- Would an intern be allowed to see patients one on one.


Anyone interested please repsond to this thread or contact me @ [email protected]


Thank You
Jimmie Gonzalez
Spacetoonz Films
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Therapist4Change,

You still haven't responded to the earlier question of what you do for Axis III conditions or what you do when a patient needs to be admitted. Moreover, as a student yourself, you stand to learn a lot about the treatment of mental illness.

The vast majority of the psychological literature is trash. Your claim about psychological literature, especially as it relates to Dx, is laughable. DSM, just to remind you, is a product of the American PsychIATRIC Association--the real APA.

Before you learn more about the treatment of mental illness, I suggest you learn to read carefully. The OP, spacetoonz, raised the question of finding a consultant in the setting of a "Psychiatric hospital" (see above). Yes, there are spheres outside of a psychiatric hospital but let's stay on topic, shall we?
 
PsychMD2100 said:
The vast majority of the psychological literature is trash.
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On this note, I'll exit....since you have shown your ignorance.

OP, please feel free to continue on topic, sorry for the detour. If you have any questions about clinical psychology, please feel free to drop me a PM.

-t
 
As a psychiatric PGY-IV, I hope my psychology colleagues do not take offense at the "trash" comment.

Several of the advances in psychiatry were due to psychologists & psychology.
 
PsychMD2100 said:
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The vast majority of the psychological literature is trash. Your claim about psychological literature, especially as it relates to Dx, is laughable. DSM, just to remind you, is a product of the American PsychIATRIC Association--the real APA.
...Yes, there are spheres outside of a psychiatric hospital but let's stay on topic, shall we?
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Some people, including some psychIATRISTS 🙄 I know would argue that the DSM is "laughable", as well.

I'm growing dismayed at your readiness to bash not only psychologists, but also FMGs, DOs, and anyone else who crosses your path who is following a somewhat different path than yours. You've made plenty of positive contributions here, but working a bit more on "playing well with others" would be appreciated.
 
OldPsychDoc said:
Some people, including some psychIATRISTS 🙄 I know would argue that the DSM is "laughable", as well.

I'm growing dismayed at your readiness to bash not only psychologists, but also FMGs, DOs, and anyone else who crosses your path who is following a somewhat different path than yours. You've made plenty of positive contributions here, but working a bit more on "playing well with others" would be appreciated.
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OPD,

Thanks for the post. Here are some questions.

How much progress do we get from a forum that is more concerned about hurting feelings than the contest of ideas?

Are we going to write every single post with the fear that someone may not like it or that it may bruise their ego?

There are some criticisms which I consider out of bounds, ie race, religion, etc. But within our accepted SDN boundaries, what do we have to fear about expressing our views? What you consider "bashing", I and many others may consider a different viewpoint.

"Playing well with others" is nice but it shouldn't replace a lively discussion about mental health.
 
PsychMD2100 said:
How much progress do we get from a forum that is more concerned about hurting feelings than the contest of ideas?
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Your contest <sic> in this thread sucks.

Just a few of the annoying and sucky points you have made...

a) Your statement, "the vast majority of psychological literature is trash" is (especially on a psychiatric forum) an ad populum logical fallacy. Exactly where did you come by that factual gem? I am curious, do you know the precise percentage that is trash? 78.48%? Higher? Lower?

b) the continued capitalization of iatrist and ologist is, in my oh so humble opinion, played out. Please, stop.

c) You seem to imply that the creation of the DSM is the apex of psychiatry. Perhaps a venerable of collection of sacred writings? It ain't a bible. I believe it has significant flaws. Any intelligent design theory or implied inspired creation of the DSM to cite superiority of psychiatry over psychology is a poor argument.

So to sum up. Your ideas suck in this thread. I hope I didn't hurt your feelings.
 
Milo said:
Your contest <sic> in this thread sucks.

Just a few of the annoying and sucky points you have made...

a) Your statement, "the vast majority of psychological literature is trash" is (especially on a psychiatric forum) an ad populum logical fallacy. Exactly where did you come by that factual gem? I am curious, do you know the precise percentage that is trash? 78.48%? Higher? Lower?

b) the continued capitalization of iatrist and ologist is, in my oh so humble opinion, played out. Please, stop.

c) You seem to imply that the creation of the DSM is the apex of psychiatry. Perhaps a venerable of collection of sacred writings? It ain't a bible. I believe it has significant flaws. Any intelligent design theory or implied inspired creation of the DSM to cite superiority of psychiatry over psychology is a poor argument.

So to sum up. Your ideas suck in this thread. I hope I didn't hurt your feelings.
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Milo,

I think you're going to need Otis on this one. Is that really all you have?

a) The percentage of PsychOLOGY literature that is trash has been found to be precisely 86.3789% after an exhaustive multi-center trial. (p < .05)

b) PsychIATRY should be distinguished from PsychOLOGY. If you don't like my use of capitalization, then you should stop reading my posts.

c) DSM is a "venerable of [sic] collection of sacred writings." DSM is the word, the way, and the life :laugh: If you took the time to read my earlier post, then you'd understand that it was rebutting the assertion that PsychOLOGY research is responsible for the diagnostic methods used today.

Start looking for Otis because you're more likely to find a fictitious dog than a reasoned argument.
 
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