Minorities in med school

clc8503 · Apr 1, 2005

I do not mean to sound racist. However, I think racism is a huge issue in medicine at the present moment. Schools like Meharry, Morehouse and Howard are averaging flat 3.0 GPAs. I dont even want to know their average MCAT scores are. Minorities are 78% at these schools. For the most part, these schools only accept minorities. Is this fair? I do not think it is. Since when did being a physician be about race or ethnicity. I always thought it was about being a capable individual. I do not mean to discredit these schools. However, I believe that they turn several applicants away each year that are more deserving than the 3.0 minorities that they prefer. This sounds illegal to me. Can someone please explain this to me? If I have offended anyone then I appologize. Replies are greatly appreciated.

Yours,
Caraway

MedicineBird · Apr 1, 2005

clc8503 said:
I do not mean to sound racist. However, I think racism is a huge issue in medicine at the present moment. Schools like Meharry, Morehouse and Howard are averaging flat 3.0 GPAs. I dont even want to know their average MCAT scores are. Minorities are 78% at these schools. For the most part, these schools only accept minorities. Is this fair? I do not think it is. Since when did being a physician be about race or ethnicity. I always thought it was about being a capable individual. I do not mean to discredit these schools. However, I believe that they turn several applicants away each year that are more deserving than the 3.0 minorities that they prefer. This sounds illegal to me. Can someone please explain this to me? If I have offended anyone then I appologize. Replies are greatly appreciated.

Yours,
Caraway

They're all private schools. They can accept whoever their little hearts desire.

sunUCB · Apr 1, 2005

yeah, same with schools like loma linda that use religion as a factor in admissions (not the only factor, obviously)....they can do whatever they want, it's not illegal.

Revolution #9 · Apr 1, 2005

LOL... This guy makes his first post a controversial post? Forget it... I'm not feeding the troll.

confettiflyer · Apr 1, 2005

Ah but then the OP is ignoring the clear and obvious need of minority doctors to serve those communities. You can pretend race doesn't exist, or you can confront it and do something about it. Race blind is just that....blind. And yes these are privates, so they can do whatever they want. So bitch and whine all you want, or better yet start your own school 🙂

2badr · Apr 1, 2005

Minorities in med school

I do not mean to sound racist. However, I think racism is a huge issue in medicine at the present moment. Schools like Meharry, Morehouse and Howard are averaging flat 3.0 GPAs. I dont even want to know their average MCAT scores are. Minorities are 78% at these schools. For the most part, these schools only accept minorities. Is this fair? I do not think it is. Since when did being a physician be about race or ethnicity. I always thought it was about being a capable individual. I do not mean to discredit these schools. However, I believe that they turn several applicants away each year that are more deserving than the 3.0 minorities that they prefer. This sounds illegal to me. Can someone please explain this to me? If I have offended anyone then I appologize. Replies are greatly appreciated.

Yours,
Caraway

You know, if you use the search function, I'm sure you'll find plenty of posters beating the dead horse.

Others just use the 10 foot pole rule. 👍

45408 · Apr 1, 2005

confettiflyer said:
Ah but then the OP is ignoring the clear and obvious need of minority doctors to serve those communities. You can pretend race doesn't exist, or you can confront it and do something about it. Race blind is just that....blind. And yes these are privates, so they can do whatever they want. So bitch and whine all you want, or better yet start your own school 🙂

my sentiments exactly

dr.z · Apr 1, 2005

All 3 of them accepts non-minority students as well.

virilep · Apr 1, 2005

clc8503 said:
I do not mean to sound racist. However, I think racism is a huge issue in medicine at the present moment. Schools like Meharry, Morehouse and Howard are averaging flat 3.0 GPAs. I dont even want to know their average MCAT scores are. Minorities are 78% at these schools. For the most part, these schools only accept minorities. Is this fair? I do not think it is. Since when did being a physician be about race or ethnicity. I always thought it was about being a capable individual. I do not mean to discredit these schools. However, I believe that they turn several applicants away each year that are more deserving than the 3.0 minorities that they prefer. This sounds illegal to me. Can someone please explain this to me? If I have offended anyone then I appologize. Replies are greatly appreciated.

Yours,
Caraway

interesting point. but you have to look at the demographics. let's say you take their class and locate doctors that graduated 8 years ago versus people that graduated 8 years ago from Mayo. Find out what percent of the doctors from each school serve underserved areas (i.e. inner-city). then you'll see why they can use this as a just cause. they each have their own goals. We could bring up the same argument for caribbean schools, but since that's a money issue, no one can really say. anyhow... I know people that graduated from Meharry... they seem to be happy

sylvamoon · Apr 1, 2005

clc8503 said:
I do not mean to sound racist. However, I think racism is a huge issue in medicine at the present moment. Schools like Meharry, Morehouse and Howard are averaging flat 3.0 GPAs. I dont even want to know their average MCAT scores are. Minorities are 78% at these schools. For the most part, these schools only accept minorities. Is this fair? I do not think it is. Since when did being a physician be about race or ethnicity. I always thought it was about being a capable individual. I do not mean to discredit these schools. However, I believe that they turn several applicants away each year that are more deserving than the 3.0 minorities that they prefer. This sounds illegal to me. Can someone please explain this to me? If I have offended anyone then I appologize. Replies are greatly appreciated.

Yours,
Caraway

This has really gotten annoying. When people see minorities in schools that are 78% white, they assume "somebody took my spot". When minorities then choose to attend a 78% minority school you assume applicants that are "more deserving" have been turned down. You probably can't help it, but listen to yourselves. I'm writing this to every one of you that make these statements. You probably cannot help it because you were raised in a society that makes you feel a sense of entitlement.

Translate the statements you made to what you really feel:

Minorities (especially black people) are less intelligent and less deserving of accomplishing the same professional goals as I am. They should not be doctors because they could not possibly be qualified. They do not deserve anything. Everybody knows they are lazy and stupid. I am not a minority. Therefore I am better. It makes me angry when they succeed because it doesn't help me to maintain the superior position I thought I had. I also get angry because it makes me look bad. Many of my non-minority friends made it, but I did not. I have to blame someone for my shortcomings. Oh, there goes a black guy. He took my spot. Now I feel better. I have an excuse.

MeMyselfI · Apr 1, 2005

sylvamoon said:
This has really gotten annoying. When people see minorities in schools that are 78% white, they assume "somebody took my spot". When minorities then choose to attend a 78% minority school you assume applicants that are "more deserving" have been turned down. You probably can't help it, but listen to yourselves. I'm writing this to every one of you that make these statements. You probably cannot help it because you were raised in a society that makes you feel a sense of entitlement.

Translate the statements you made to what you really feel:

Minorities (especially black people) are less intelligent and less deserving of accomplishing the same professional goals as I am. They should not be doctors because they could not possibly be qualified. They do not deserve anything. Everybody knows they are lazy and stupid. I am not a minority. Therefore I am better. It makes me angry when they succeed because it doesn't help me to maintain the superior position I thought I had. I also get angry because it makes me look bad. Many of my non-minority friends made it, but I did not. I have to blame someone for my shortcomings. Oh, there goes a black guy. He took my spot. Now I feel better. I have an excuse.

I think you hit the nail right on the head!!! :laugh:

Great post
!!!! 👍 😀

clc8503 · Apr 1, 2005

Revolution #9 said:
LOL... This guy makes his first post a controversial post? Forget it... I'm not feeding the troll.

This is my first time to post, yet I am a forum troll! You completly contradict yourself by saying this. The last time I checked, a forum troll posted all the time. However, that is not the case with me. People like you are the ones who are supporting such unfair practices in med school admissions. I was curious about these unfair policies and know I have to listen to your ****. Kiss my ***. You are probally one of those students who have a poor GPA/MCAT and are relying on these schools for acceptance. With the exception of you, I appologize for offending anyone.

Yours,
Caraway

riceman04 · Apr 1, 2005

clc8503 said:
I do not mean to sound racist. However, I think racism is a huge issue in medicine at the present moment. Schools like Meharry, Morehouse and Howard are averaging flat 3.0 GPAs. I dont even want to know their average MCAT scores are. Minorities are 78% at these schools. For the most part, these schools only accept minorities. Is this fair? I do not think it is. Since when did being a physician be about race or ethnicity. I always thought it was about being a capable individual. I do not mean to discredit these schools. However, I believe that they turn several applicants away each year that are more deserving than the 3.0 minorities that they prefer. This sounds illegal to me. Can someone please explain this to me? If I have offended anyone then I appologize. Replies are greatly appreciated.

Yours,
Caraway

Keep in mind that anyone can apply to these schools. But since the undergraduate programs are the most well known of all HBCU's, people tend to assume that these schools must only be primariliy for African Americans, which is not true for the medical school. Hence, this is why you have more minorities than others applying to these schools.

riceman04 · Apr 1, 2005

clc8503 said:
This is my first time to post, yet I am a forum troll! You completly contradict yourself by saying this. The last time I checked, a forum troll posted all the time. However, that is not the case with me. People like you are the ones who are supporting such unfair practices in med school admissions. I was curious about these unfair policies and know I have to listen to your ****. Kiss my ***. You are probally one of those students who have a poor GPA/MCAT and are relying on these schools for acceptance. With the exception of you, I appologize for offending anyone.

Yours,
Caraway

Well, since it is so unfair then why dont you and a larger percentage of your caucasian (and uncle tom) buddies committ to working in underserved areas. Or are you one of those people who believe the poor deserve not to receive health care b/c "they make bad decisions."

And I do not have poor grades/MCAT scores ( I know you were not refering to me the first time). You just sound socially inept! And by the way, please get your definition of racism straight!

SitraAchra · Apr 1, 2005

quick question: HBCU = ?? I'm guessing Historically Black...something something

clc8503 · Apr 1, 2005

sylvamoon said:
This has really gotten annoying. When people see minorities in schools that are 78% white, they assume "somebody took my spot". When minorities then choose to attend a 78% minority school you assume applicants that are "more deserving" have been turned down. You probably can't help it, but listen to yourselves. I'm writing this to every one of you that make these statements. You probably cannot help it because you were raised in a society that makes you feel a sense of entitlement.

Translate the statements you made to what you really feel:

Minorities (especially black people) are less intelligent and less deserving of accomplishing the same professional goals as I am. They should not be doctors because they could not possibly be qualified. They do not deserve anything. Everybody knows they are lazy and stupid. I am not a minority. Therefore I am better. It makes me angry when they succeed because it doesn't help me to maintain the superior position I thought I had. I also get angry because it makes me look bad. Many of my non-minority friends made it, but I did not. I have to blame someone for my shortcomings. Oh, there goes a black guy. He took my spot. Now I feel better. I have an excuse.

I was only referring to the minorities who get in with a poor GPA/MCAT. I have nothing but respect for a student, regardless of race, that works his gluteus off in college to gain acceptance. For your info, I have already been invited for an interview at my state med school. I am not jealous of anyone. I think it is unethical to admit at 2.9 or 3.0 student because of their race. More than anything, I can't stand minorities, like yourself, who think people owe them something. With my 3.6 GPA and 31 MCAT, I'm not jealous of the 3.0 students at the minority med schools that accept slackers based on their race. In return, I would like to tell you that I wish you luck on using your race to compensate for your lack in knowledge. State schools do not look at race. They only look at if you are a resident of the state. African Americans have the same opportunities as whites. They just have to make the grades, just as whites do. I have found that the schools that you claim accept 78% whites usually have a very high avrergae GPA/MCAT. Take this information as you must. These schools do not so favoitism toward whites. They give their seats to the most competative applicants, like all schools should do.

Yours,
Caraway

clc8503 · Apr 1, 2005

riceman04 said:
Well, since it is so unfair then why dont you and a larger percentage of your caucasian (and uncle tom) buddies committ to working in underserved areas. Or are you one of those people who believe the poor deserve not to receive health care b/c "they make bad decisions."

And I do not have poor grades/MCAT scores ( I know you were not refering to me the first time). You just sound socially inept! And by the way, please get your definition of racism straight!

I believe that poeple in underserved areas deserve a doctor who relies on more than his/her race to open up the doors in their life. I, along with most of the public, would not want a 2.7-3.0 surgeon working on me. However, that's just my prerogative.

Yours,
Caraway

confettiflyer · Apr 1, 2005

clc8503 said:
African Americans have the same opportunities as whites. They just have to make the grades, just as whites do.

Er? I'm not African American or white, but everyone knows by and large this isn't true. This idealized statement was made "from above" with disregard for what's really going on in the real world. Racism still exists, and cultural idiosyncrasies and socioeconomics exist.

I for one would rather take the 3.3 28 MCAT student who managed to do it being raised by a single parent and living in dire straits, versus the 3.8 32 MCAT trust fund baby you see tooling around Newport Beach w/ their SLK. Future doctors are not all test scores and GPA's, 5 digits do not completely represent your ability to contribute to society as a physician.

With that said...i can make the same statement from above, that whites are underrepresented minorities at my state school (univ. of california, race blind admissions), i mean they have the same opportunities right? they just need to try harder... /sarcasm

Mimidoc^2 · Apr 1, 2005

clc8503 said:
This is my first time to post, yet I am a forum troll! You completly contradict yourself by saying this. The last time I checked, a forum troll posted all the time. However, that is not the case with me. People like you are the ones who are supporting such unfair practices in med school admissions. I was curious about these unfair policies and know I have to listen to your ****. Kiss my ***. You are probally one of those students who have a poor GPA/MCAT and are relying on these schools for acceptance. With the exception of you, I appologize for offending anyone.

Yours,
Caraway

Please think before responding. You claim a desire not to offend anyone, yet certain words and phrases you use (e.g. "these unfair policies) are bound to incite contention.

riceman04 · Apr 1, 2005

clc8503 said:
I believe that poeple in underserved areas deserve a doctor who relies on more than his/her race to open up the doors in their life. I, along with most of the public, would not want a 2.7-3.0 surgeon working on me. However, that's just my prerogative.

Yours,
Caraway

Then why is it that people in those areas have such difficulty relating with a non-minority citizen?

One's ability to become a great surgeon is definitely not infuenced by one's undergraduate career. If that were the case then all those people who received 4.0's in undergrad should not be the ones dealing with mal practice law suits because they made careless mistakes. I am not saying that many of these law suits are not frivolous, rather I am pointing out the flaw in your argument.
And yes, it would be ideal to have doctors who rely on more than just their race to open up doors. But the problem is many who posses this quality do not want to work in areas where their services are desperately needed.

Now, if people are not passing medical school classes, then that is a different story!

clc8503 · Apr 1, 2005

confettiflyer said:
Er? I'm not African American or white, but everyone knows by and large this isn't true. This idealized statement was made "from above" with disregard for what's really going on in the real world. Racism still exists, and cultural idiosyncrasies and socioeconomics exist.

I for one would rather take the 3.3 28 MCAT student who managed to do it being raised by a single parent and living in dire straits, versus the 3.8 32 MCAT trust fund baby you see tooling around Newport Beach w/ their SLK. Future doctors are not all test scores and GPA's, 5 digits do not completely represent your ability to contribute to society as a physician.

With that said...i can make the same statement from above, that whites are underrepresented minorities at my state school (univ. of california, race blind admissions), i mean they have the same opportunities right? they just need to try harder... /sarcasm

Don't talk to me like I have been spoon fed. I have never even met my father. I was raised my a single mother who sometimes barely made enough money to put food on the table. I have held down a steady job since I was 15. I am currently paying my own way through college. I can do it and still make the grades! You guys have no excuse and the fact that you think you do because of your race sickens me. Afrocan Americans are not the only ones that struggle, some of us Caucasians do too.

Yours,
Caraway

cliff MD · Apr 1, 2005

clc8503 why do you enjoy controversies. I cant stand people that enjoys arguement. At this age you are suppose to know better. It is time for us to stop blaming someone for our failure and learn to take responsibility for our own actions. So you apply to Medical school and got rejected...so what.. It happens to people everyday. I looked at the aamc stats on number of minorities in Med school, I do not think that it is that much. That is very sad for you to make a generalization on a certain race about having low GPA and mcat score. Please learn to give credit to anyone that struggles to attend college or even have the strength to take the mcat. I am studying for it right now, and it is hell. If you ask me if it determines if someone is going to be a good doctor or not, I will say hell no. One time in history blacks were not allowed to study with the whites or even attend schools with them. These schools were the only ones that accepted blacks. Should you blame the poor black kid in your class for your failure, no. If you want it bad, retake the mcat and reapply to all white schools or to make your point, start your own medical school.

Revolution #9 · Apr 1, 2005

clc8503 said:
This is my first time to post, yet I am a forum troll! You completly contradict yourself by saying this. The last time I checked, a forum troll posted all the time. However, that is not the case with me. People like you are the ones who are supporting such unfair practices in med school admissions. I was curious about these unfair policies and know I have to listen to your ****. Kiss my ***. You are probally one of those students who have a poor GPA/MCAT and are relying on these schools for acceptance. With the exception of you, I appologize for offending anyone.

Yours,
Caraway

Haha...
3.65 GPA
37R MCAT
And I am as white as they come.
I know, I just fed the troll, but what the hell? Everyone else is taking this guy seriously.

clc8503 · Apr 1, 2005

cliff MD said:
clc8503 why do you enjoy controversies. I cant stand people that enjoys arguement. At this age you are suppose to know better. It is time for us to stop blaming someone for our failure and learn to take responsibility for our own actions. So you apply to Medical school and got rejected...so what.. It happens to people everyday. I looked at the aamc stats on number of minorities in Med school, I do not think that it is that much. That is very sad for you to make a generalization on a certain race about having low GPA and mcat score. Please learn to give credit to anyone that struggles to attend college or even have the strength to take the mcat. I am studying for it right now, and it is hell. If you ask me if it determines if someone is going to be a good doctor or not, I will say hell no. One time in history blacks were not allowed to study with the whites or even attend schools with them. These schools were the only ones that accepted blacks. Should you blame the poor black kid in your class for your failure, no. If you want it bad, retake the mcat and reapply to all white schools or to make your point, start your own medical school.

I am certainly no reject. I do not believe I will become one neither. My GPA/MCAT scores are above average for my state's school. I shadow a Cardiologist and a General Internalist. I arranged both of these shadowing opportunities myself. I have letters of reccomedation from PhDs and MDs. However, you guys believe what you want. I guess some schools have to cut the slow learners some slack. I will leave you guys with that.

Goodbye and Farewell,
Caraway

riceman04 · Apr 1, 2005

SitraAchra said:
quick question: HBCU = ?? I'm guessing Historically Black...something something

Historically Black Colleges and Universities 🙂

riceman04 · Apr 1, 2005

Revolution #9 said:
Haha...
3.65 GPA
37R MCAT
And I am as white as they come.
I know, I just fed the troll, but what the hell? Everyone else is taking this guy seriously.

I hope I get your MCAT score on this April test. But I will settle for a 32R

cliff MD · Apr 1, 2005

clc8503, I did not know that only dummies and minorities have 2.9~3.0 gpa in college. Are you sure that you did not change your log on ID, because you sound like the troll that posted all those crap on SDN the last time. My black friend is a Senior and a Electrical Engineering student with a 3.75.... no wait, my ENGINEERING MATHEMATICS teacher gave him an A on our last test because he was black. Please give credit to those that deserve it... because if someone told me that I received my grade because of my race, I will be very pissed, and I do not want to tell someone the same. Dont be a disgrace to the white race.

sylvamoon · Apr 1, 2005

clc8503 said:
I was only referring to the minorities who get in with a poor GPA/MCAT. I have nothing but respect for a student, regardless of race, that works his gluteus off in college to gain acceptance. For your info, I have already been invited for an interview at my state med school. I am not jealous of anyone. I think it is unethical to admit at 2.9 or 3.0 student because of their race. More than anything, I can't stand minorities, like yourself, who think people owe them something. With my 3.6 GPA and 31 MCAT, I'm not jealous of the 3.0 students at the minority med schools that accept slackers based on their race. In return, I would like to tell you that I wish you luck on using your race to compensate for your lack in knowledge. State schools do not look at race. They only look at if you are a resident of the state. African Americans have the same opportunities as whites. They just have to make the grades, just as whites do. I have found that the schools that you claim accept 78% whites usually have a very high avrergae GPA/MCAT. Take this information as you must. These schools do not so favoitism toward whites. They give their seats to the most competative applicants, like all schools should do.

Yours,
Caraway

Wow, Caraway, how did you decide I'm a minority who thinks people owe me something? Oh yeah! You like to sterotype! By the way, are you angry with all those non-minority people who apply with disadvantaged status and take your spot? Or all those Caucasians with legacies and donations that took your spot? Probably not, because they're smarter than all those lazy African Americans right?

Whats really funny to me is, the same people that complain about blacks being in med school are the first ones to gain acceptance to med school because of their harsh life experiences. I'm sure when you discussed not knowing your father and your struggles, etc. adcoms realized that you had an experience in life that made you more compassionate, and more industrious than people who have had advantages in life, and they chose to interview and accept you based on that, in addition to your high grades and your MCAT. I'd bet they chose you over someone with a 3.8 and a 35T. Believe me, they get plenty of those applicants all the time, but somehow people with your stats get in. I know a white woman who has these stats. I'm sure she could have a hissy fit and say its because you are a man that you got in with lower stats, but she doesnt because she recognizes that becoming a doctor is more than grades an MCAT. So please let it go. When are you going to be satisfied-when all black people in med school have a 3.6 and a 31 like you do, or will that always be your excuse? Or will you be satisfied when med schools have NO minorities? Its nobody's fault that it was hard for you to clearly express to adcoms why you deserve to be in med school. So many other whites and asians do it successfully all the time. So maybe you should let the race thing go?

If you met me, you would feel very sorry for the things you said and you would eat your words. Like I said, earlier, you've been raised in a society that makes you feel a sense of entitlement, so you dont know any better.

Offear · Apr 1, 2005

clc8503 said:
. Afrocan Americans are not the only ones that struggle, some of us Caucasians do too.

Yours,
Caraway

Uh, hate to break it to you, but minority doesn't equal African Americans. Hispanics are now the largest minority in the US, and there are Asians, Indians, Native Americans, Native Alaskians, Black people that do not consider themselves as African American (such as Jamicans) and a whole bunch of minority groups out there.

Yea, there are plenty of Caucasians that struggle. There are more caucasians at or below the poverty line than minorities. But there is a greater percentage of minorites that are at or below the poverty line. If you feel like you really struggled, then do what the rest of us who have had a rough time growing up or putting ourselves through college have done- check the disadvantaged box, be grateful for all that you do have that many others don't, and move on.

Sanctuary · Apr 1, 2005

clc8503 said:
This is my first time to post, yet I am a forum troll! You completly contradict yourself by saying this. The last time I checked, a forum troll posted all the time. However, that is not the case with me. People like you are the ones who are supporting such unfair practices in med school admissions. I was curious about these unfair policies and know I have to listen to your ****. Kiss my ***. You are probally one of those students who have a poor GPA/MCAT and are relying on these schools for acceptance. With the exception of you, I appologize for offending anyone.

Yours,
Caraway

Apologize has one 'p', not two. Best wishes on the verbal reasoning & essay sections. Since English was my second major, I have this undesirable habit of correcting spelling and grammar. Nothing personal. 🙂

As for your thoughts above: 1) Don't apply to schools that don't match your interests and/or belief system. 2) "Unfair" is an opinion, and a rather infantile one at that. Schools don't generally follow opinions, they follow laws and standards. 3) I would suggest applying to a medical school in Sweden. I hear they are predominately caucasian there.

cliff MD · Apr 1, 2005

Sanctuary, your post is the funniest quote I have ever read.
"I would suggest applying to a medical school in Sweden. I hear they are predominately caucasian there." :laugh:

confettiflyer · Apr 1, 2005

haha i think the carway guy just had to blow some underlying racist steam off...what better way than anonymously through the internet 👍

iamoptimusprime · Apr 1, 2005

sylvamoon said:
Minorities (especially black people) are less intelligent and less deserving of accomplishing the same professional goals as I am. They should not be doctors because they could not possibly be qualified. They do not deserve anything. Everybody knows they are lazy and stupid. I am not a minority. Therefore I am better. It makes me angry when they succeed because it doesn't help me to maintain the superior position I thought I had. I also get angry because it makes me look bad. Many of my non-minority friends made it, but I did not. I have to blame someone for my shortcomings. Oh, there goes a black guy. He took my spot. Now I feel better. I have an excuse.

I hope you don't really think that the majority of priviledged white people think this way. Maybe where you are from they do. I think you need to chill out and come to California or something(keep out of orange county tho). Maybe I'm an idealist but I think people don't actually think this and understand that there is a need for minority doctors. Just understand that it is somewhat intimidating and frustrating for someone who has put their whole life into getting into med school see minorities have so much more success during the application process with seemingly little trouble. Just tell them to step back and think about the tough time these people had before they applied to med school. They aren't being racist in my opinion. No need to attack anyone. This process sucks and I think we can all agree with that. I think of myself as a very open/accepting person and it has taken me a little while to get over seeing my minority friends get into top 10 schools with full rides with mcat scores/gpas much lower than mine. I don't feel that they took my spot at all...and I probably am trying to figure out where I came up short. It is human nature.

iamoptimusprime · Apr 1, 2005

actually I didn't mean to defend him...he is being a jackass now...

dry dre · Apr 1, 2005

clc8503 said:
I am currently paying my own way through college. I can do it and still make the grades!

Then why are you bitching?

Well, assuming you get into a medical school and not get bumped off the top of Hopkin's admit list by affirmative action, you' learn about personality disorders. You can get a heard start on you med school studies now by looking in the mirror.

Sanctuary · Apr 1, 2005

clc8503 said:
I believe that poeple in underserved areas deserve a doctor who relies on more than his/her race to open up the doors in their life. I, along with most of the public, would not want a 2.7-3.0 surgeon working on me. However, that's just my prerogative.

Yours,
Caraway

Hmm.. Good idea, next time I get surgery, emergency or otherwise, I'll ask the surgeon what his undergraduate GPA was when he was 19 years old. Then I'll be able to construct an informed decision as to his surgical credentials.

FYI: In case you were unaware, our US Surgeon General, Vice Admiral Richard H. Carmona, M.D., F.A.C.S., was a high school dropout and had a 3.0 undergraduate GPA.

Someday, down the road, you'll hopefully learn that there is more to ones life beyond an undergraduate college grade point average.

MedicineBird · Apr 1, 2005

clc8503 said:
I am certainly no reject. I do not believe I will become one neither...
Goodbye and Farewell,
Caraway

Well then I guess it don't make no nevermind that yer mamma never done learned you good in speakin' uhn writin' uhn manners then do it?

clc8503 · Apr 1, 2005

iamoptimusprime said:
I hope you don't really think that the majority of priviledged white people think this way. Maybe where you are from they do. I think you need to chill out and come to California or something(keep out of orange county tho). Maybe I'm an idealist but I think people don't actually think this and understand that there is a need for minority doctors. Just understand that it is somewhat intimidating and frustrating for someone who has put their whole life into getting into med school see minorities have so much more success during the application process with seemingly little trouble. Just tell them to step back and think about the tough time these people had before they applied to med school. They aren't being racist in my opinion. No need to attack anyone. This process sucks and I think we can all agree with that. I think of myself as a very open/accepting person and it has taken me a little while to get over seeing my minority friends get into top 10 schools with full rides with mcat scores/gpas much lower than mine. I don't feel that they took my spot at all...and I probably am trying to figure out where I came up short. It is human nature.

I agree with you 100%. You have taken what I have said and incorporated it in a much more acceptable manner. I really respect that.

Yours,
Caraway

iamoptimusprime · Apr 1, 2005

clc8503 said:
I agree with you 100%. You have taken what I have said and incorporated it in a much more acceptable manner. I really respect that.

Yours,
Caraway

DAMNIT......

sylvamoon · Apr 1, 2005

iamoptimusprime said:
I hope you don't really think that the majority of priviledged white people think this way. Maybe where you are from they do. I think you need to chill out and come to California or something(keep out of orange county tho). Maybe I'm an idealist but I think people don't actually think this and understand that there is a need for minority doctors. Just understand that it is somewhat intimidating and frustrating for someone who has put their whole life into getting into med school see minorities have so much more success during the application process with seemingly little trouble. Just tell them to step back and think about the tough time these people had before they applied to med school. They aren't being racist in my opinion. No need to attack anyone. This process sucks and I think we can all agree with that. I think of myself as a very open/accepting person and it has taken me a little while to get over seeing my minority friends get into top 10 schools with full rides with mcat scores/gpas much lower than mine. I don't feel that they took my spot at all...and I probably am trying to figure out where I came up short. It is human nature.

I definitely dont think all white people dont think this way but plenty on SDN do. I know plenty of white people that dont even bother to entertain that way of thinking. I'm from NY where I think people are a little more tolerant as well. You are the second person that suggested Cali. Maybe I should go out there. The reality is, for everyone accepted to med school (except the 45T 4.0), there are people out there with higher stats that didnt get in. This debate is extremely frustrating to all of the black and hispanic people that apply because (as we had to in undergrad), we are constantly having to discuss our scores and defend why we got accepted. There are so many different reasons people get into med school. Life experiences are key to shaping good physicians. Only abysmally low mcat scores might indicate that a person might not be well suited to become a doctor and i really dont think anyone gets accepted with such scores. Each one of us here on SDN is doing something other than studying for tests to make us distinguished and stand out. So people like Caraway really frustrate me because I do believe he thinks that way. Its pretty clear by his reactions to some of the things that have been posted here. I think he anticipated a big anti-blacks in med school response but today people here didnt really contribute to it. of course he retreated and has nothing to say now...

notdeadyet · Apr 1, 2005

Sanctuary said:
I would suggest applying to a medical school in Sweden. I hear they are predominately caucasian there.

Yeah, but now the schools also crawling with all those dumb Norwegians... damn Norwegians...

AlaskaGirl · Apr 1, 2005

I completely agree with Sylvamoon. As an URM who just found out she was accepted to a schoo...after a long series of rejections and waitlists, mind you...I have been forced to justify my acceptance constantly as more than me being a minority. Half the time the first things out of a persons mouth are,"Oh, I am sure it was all your minority status that got you in." I think for most people it is easier to write off a minority candidate's acceptance this way rather than come to the realization that maybe I was just competitive enough to get in of my own merit. And, a lot of people who say these sorts of things don't even realize how much of a blow it can be to hear that...especially from friends who you thought knew you a little better than that!

cliff MD · Apr 1, 2005

notdeadyet said:
Yeah, but now the schools also crawling with all those dumb Norwegians... damn Norwegians...

You guys are going to kill me with laughter..

iamoptimusprime · Apr 1, 2005

yes it is totally lame to try to take away from the accomplishment of getting into medical school. At the same time just realize that something is being done to begin to attempt to right the situation. Obviously no one gets in "just because they are black"...but if you are an URM you are more unique, and being unique makes it easier to get in. No school wants 125 white/asian kids with 40s/3.9s. My numbers are nothing special for getting into school but I've done some "unique" research. So should I get hurt if someone says he just got into a good med school because he did that unique research?

notdeadyet · Apr 1, 2005

Med school is competitive to get into. There are far more smart, ambitious people than there are seats at medical schools. Not everyone can get in. Deal.

For anyone (white or otherwise) to look at a URM and say, "they only got in because they're _____" is just basic sour grapes. If there were no URMs around, they'd b*tch about the rich kids, or the Ivies, or something else.

The irony is that these people are the first that will roll their eyes if they ever hear a minority say, "they denied me because I'm ____."

GPA. MCATs. ECs. Interview. If yours aren't good enough, you won't get in. If they are, you might. But have some accountability. You have no "spot" for someone to take away...

amnesia · Apr 1, 2005

Some of you people have no respect for people...

They should take off the race card completely.

The beauties of an m&m society.

docjolly · Apr 1, 2005

notdeadyet said:
Med school is competitive to get into. There are far more smart, ambitious people than there are seats at medical schools. Not everyone can get in. Deal.

For anyone (white or otherwise) to look at a URM and say, "they only got in because they're _____" is just basic sour grapes. If there were no URMs around, they'd b*tch about the rich kids, or the Ivies, or something else.

The irony is that these people are the first that will roll their eyes if they ever hear a minority say, "they denied me because I'm ____."

GPA. MCATs. ECs. Interview. If yours aren't good enough, you won't get in. If they are, you might. But have some accountability. You have no "spot" for someone to take away...

👍 👍 Enough said 😀

amnesia · Apr 1, 2005

If you think about it, minority status is like a steroid.

If you are going to get into a med school because you are ______, you are crazy... it's just a little boost. If you are going to use a steroid, you can already hit a ball, it's just a little boost.

😉

2badr · Apr 1, 2005

clc8503 said:
I was only referring to the minorities who get in with a poor GPA/MCAT. I have nothing but respect for a student, regardless of race, that works his gluteus off in college to gain acceptance. For your info, I have already been invited for an interview at my state med school. I am not jealous of anyone. I think it is unethical to admit at 2.9 or 3.0 student because of their race. More than anything, I can't stand minorities, like yourself, who think people owe them something. With my 3.6 GPA and 31 MCAT, I'm not jealous of the 3.0 students at the minority med schools that accept slackers based on their race. In return, I would like to tell you that I wish you luck on using your race to compensate for your lack in knowledge. State schools do not look at race. They only look at if you are a resident of the state. African Americans have the same opportunities as whites. They just have to make the grades, just as whites do. I have found that the schools that you claim accept 78% whites usually have a very high avrergae GPA/MCAT. Take this information as you must. These schools do not so favoitism toward whites. They give their seats to the most competative applicants, like all schools should do.

Yours,
Caraway

Guess you never used that search function, eh?

2badr · Apr 1, 2005

docjolly said:
👍 👍 Enough said 😀

If only, docjolly, if only.

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