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How's life at Case?
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I'm just finishing my second year at Case. I've enjoyed my time here (for the most part). The PBL thing is no big deal. Actually, with our curriculum, PBL is a VERY small part of the program. At any given time, the most PBL sessions you will have is 3 2-hour sessions per week. Actually we haven't really had any PBL during our second year. Then you'll, of course, have traditional lectures and lab work. I also like that the curriculum has "independent study" time built in. You can use this time (usually given in 2-4 hour blocks) however you wish. Studying in the library or at home, observing and assisting in the clinic, or just taking the rest of the day off. Overall, things have been pretty good, though. My class was the guinea pig year for the new curriculum so there were a few stumbling blocks here and there, but they seem to be getting things resolved with the class below us. To be honest, Cleveland winters suck and are long, but you learn to deal with it. Also the school is quite expensive, so if you get accepted to your state school or somewhere else cheaper, I would go there. Let me know if you have any questions.
1. "below us"? Don't be so condescending to the first graders, geez!
2. I like how your post implies that you actually show up to class. I haven't seen you in weeks! 😀
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Take the # of days the sun rises/wk (7) divide by 2 (3.5) and round down to get the # of days of sun you will see/wk (3). Welcome to Ohio.
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Wow Lidopaine, I was going to invite you over to try one of my wife's delicious meals (you know what I'm talking about), but I may have to reconsider now. As for ranking, Joydent, they allegedly don't rank us here since we're on a P/F grading system. But we still get test scores in percentage form, so those obviously are on record somewhere. I'm thinking there's a secret ranking they use for those who want to specialize, but the powers that be will never admit to it............kind of like that Delt test file, right Lido?
hey you know the price of the secret delt test file... anyways, I thought their policy was that they DID rank us. They just kept that info from the students to foster a less competitive environment. The drawback to the no ranking thing is that I'm now less motivated to study. oh well.
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When I was there, faculty members confirmed this. Thus there are no problems when it comes to applying for residency.
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granted i'm just an incoming 1st year, but i thought that the IQ demo session (case's name for PBL) at second look was suh-weet. really looking forward to it.
edit: oops, sorry, just noticed that this is a dental thread 🙁
guess that doesn't do much to increase your collective opinion of the MD students...
edit: oops, sorry, just noticed that this is a dental thread 🙁
guess that doesn't do much to increase your collective opinion of the MD students...
My complaint about this school is that Case offers too much clinic time to its students. 😀😀 I'm about 2 weeks from my graduation and still have to work everyday in the clinic.
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Since I've never lived in a cold climate, what kind of clothes should I look into buying. Now that winter is over sales on winter clothes are starting out here and I want to get some before I move out to Ohio.
The idea is layers. Long sleeve shirts you can wear under scrubs... I think you guys are getting the light green, so that should help you coordinate. Whatever you think you can layer. Also something to protect your legs during the -13 wind chill. That wind will cut through scrub pants. Don't forget the gloves, scarves and hats. And don't worry, it's only freezing 5 months out of the year!😀
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Hmmm, frigid 5 months out of the year? Are we talking about Cleveland or your girlfriend? Snap!!! I heart you, Lido.
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I would love to go to Case! I have a couple of questions, how is living in Cleveland? Is it like living in a big city? Also, how generous is the financial aid? Does Case award lots of scholarships/grants?
I spent the last minute or two sitting here wondering if I should write "Sorry, but she's not a pre-married Mormon girl" but I decided not to since looky-loos don't understand our dynamic. So I'll just retort during lunch tmw if I remember.
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In my opinion, Cleveland itself sucks. But there are a lot of cool things in Ohio nearby. It's not a huge city, so if you're used to places like NY, Boston, LA, etc. it's significantly smaller. Financial aid is pretty much the opposite of generous. I guess if you're single, the budget might be enough, but if you have a family like I do, it's EXTREMELY skimpy. As far as scholarships, there are a few available, mostly ethnicity-related, particularly if you're African American.
they arent generous with scholarships but they will let you borrow enough money to live comfortably....it can be big city living if you want it to be or you can live in a suburb and commute 10 minutes to school and you dont have the big city feel.....i have come to the realization that i like cleveland a lot as long as it is above 55 degrees
Can anyone give me an idea what size tablet we get?! I am trying to find a new backpack to carry a laptop but don't know how big it needs to be, I don't want to buy a huge backpack, but it has to fit the laptop. Thanks guys. And when do we choose our scrub colors?
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You don't choose your scrub color. You'll be getting the light green color (color of the students that just graduated). As for the tablet, it's not very big (that's what she said), maybe 12x12, give or take an inch or two.
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Our laptops have a 12.1" screen (measured diagonally). Also, we have an extended-life battery, which makes the laptop ~2" deep in some parts.
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As a recently graduated student from Case "School" of Dental Medicine I am now free to speak freely. DO NOT GO TO CASE!!!👎thumbdown
I could go on for years and years, and yes, every school has it's faults. The school's self-proclaimed motto is "The World's Most Powerful Learning Environment." So arrogant. They are nothing but a public relations machine. Everything they do is to impress the public, while the students benefit from little more than attendance in dental school. They claim to be a top school, but when the rankings were out, they weren't anywhere near the top. There is a reason people call it "Just in Case." Theyre so busy pretending to be squeaky clean for the upcoming Accreditations they forgot they were suppose to be educating students.
The school lacks leadership. The Dean is too busy playing Interm Provost of the University or Dean of the Medical School. He spends one day a week (Thursday) in the dental school. The Director of Clinic (Sadan) is more concerned with his reputation and rules with an iron fist. Even speaking your mind or standing up for what you believe will get you kicked out of school or they will make you stay after graduation. We have one kid in our class who got in trouble for not agreeing with him and I don't know if he will ever graduate. Apparently his dissention was viewed as hostility or some crap like that and they kicked him out and made him get therapy. Total crap and everyone knows it, but what could we do. I hope he sues. Sadan hired his friend Teich to take over for him and the guy has done nothing but add paperwork to the curriculum and offend the staff. The student affairs person doesn't help students, unless they are female.
As for curriculum, the teaching sucks. Everyone says that about dental school, but it did. We learned nothing, and only passed because we had copies of the exams before we took the tests. If we hadn't, nobody would have passed. Each year more and more students are failing Part I and Part II of Boards, but they blame us. They ask for feedback and punish us or ignore us if they don't like what we say. There is no internal control to make sure jobs are being done appropriately. For crying out loud, the sterilizer in Oral Surgery didn't get checked for maybe a year, and when it did get checked, it failed. Of course, Faddoul, the guy in charge of infection control, blamed everyone else and they got fired.
Their "paperless" computer system is a hoax and doesn't work. We had more paperwork at the time of graduation than when we started four years ago. The dent sim machines aren't accurate and can't even be used properly. The Sealant Program for kids is pathetic. Half fall off before the end of the day. The only thing you do lots of at Case is sealants. We're all qualified Sealantologists.
Patients frequently have 3 or more appointments before you can begin any work. With the increase in class size and decrease in patients both coming to the school and in patient retention (would you come back four four appointments for one filling?) I cannot see how future students will get anywhere near enough experience. Furthermore, they don't even have enough places to put each student. They sell the one student per cubicle routine during tours but that is no longer true. Not even close. Lack of adequate patients is the BIGGEST reason to not attend Case!! Only slightly disturbing is their response-"it's not our job to find you patients." There are no current plans to attract more patients either.
To graduate you only have to do 3 root canals, and many have trouble getting to do that many and do some on extracted teeth. And molar root canals, rotary, and warm gutta percha aren't taught or allowed "officially", so welcome to the 15th century in endo. But that's ok, because they don't think GPs need to do endo. Or extractions. We learned injections and extractions at the free clinic, not at school. In fact, those who never went there showed up and had no idea the first time how to extract a tooth. To gradaute you extract 25 teeth, compared to other schools that extract many times more. Most preceptors don't use amalgam so you rarely do them. Implants are frequently confiscated by the AEGD Director for his private practice or his students so restoration of an implant is luck of the draw. Some get some, many get none. You don't do any ortho at all. Pedo is nothing but cleanings. Most esthetic cases aren't allowed because Sadan thinks nobody at the school except himself is qualified, so no veneers. So if you are hoping to be a dentist who does no root canals, extractions, amalgam, veneers, pedo, implants, and ortho I think you will find Case to be a great school.
Simply put, the more you demand from your education, the more disappointed you will be at Case. If you are just happy being here because you got a license and nobody else will let you in, then fine. But if you really want to learn, want to EXCEL, and want to be competent when you leave dental school, then this is't the place for you. Case figures if you survive four years, then you are qualified for the real world. If you think like that, then they'll be happy to take your money.
And BTW, Cleveland is a really boring place to live. Case has been voted Top 10 Least Social Campuses in America every year I was here. And the weather sucks too. On the positive, the Browns, Cavs, and Indians all had great seasons last year!
However, I should note there are many good instructors and preceptors, many who "rebel" and allow "banned" procedures to go on, knowing students need to learn them. Kudos to them. I just feel bad for the staff members who can't afford to leave the job. Educating the students is their last priority. Self promotion and public reputation supercede any desire or goal to education it's students. Just avoid the place.👎thumbdown
I could go on for years and years, and yes, every school has it's faults. The school's self-proclaimed motto is "The World's Most Powerful Learning Environment." So arrogant. They are nothing but a public relations machine. Everything they do is to impress the public, while the students benefit from little more than attendance in dental school. They claim to be a top school, but when the rankings were out, they weren't anywhere near the top. There is a reason people call it "Just in Case." Theyre so busy pretending to be squeaky clean for the upcoming Accreditations they forgot they were suppose to be educating students.
The school lacks leadership. The Dean is too busy playing Interm Provost of the University or Dean of the Medical School. He spends one day a week (Thursday) in the dental school. The Director of Clinic (Sadan) is more concerned with his reputation and rules with an iron fist. Even speaking your mind or standing up for what you believe will get you kicked out of school or they will make you stay after graduation. We have one kid in our class who got in trouble for not agreeing with him and I don't know if he will ever graduate. Apparently his dissention was viewed as hostility or some crap like that and they kicked him out and made him get therapy. Total crap and everyone knows it, but what could we do. I hope he sues. Sadan hired his friend Teich to take over for him and the guy has done nothing but add paperwork to the curriculum and offend the staff. The student affairs person doesn't help students, unless they are female.
As for curriculum, the teaching sucks. Everyone says that about dental school, but it did. We learned nothing, and only passed because we had copies of the exams before we took the tests. If we hadn't, nobody would have passed. Each year more and more students are failing Part I and Part II of Boards, but they blame us. They ask for feedback and punish us or ignore us if they don't like what we say. There is no internal control to make sure jobs are being done appropriately. For crying out loud, the sterilizer in Oral Surgery didn't get checked for maybe a year, and when it did get checked, it failed. Of course, Faddoul, the guy in charge of infection control, blamed everyone else and they got fired.
Their "paperless" computer system is a hoax and doesn't work. We had more paperwork at the time of graduation than when we started four years ago. The dent sim machines aren't accurate and can't even be used properly. The Sealant Program for kids is pathetic. Half fall off before the end of the day. The only thing you do lots of at Case is sealants. We're all qualified Sealantologists.
Patients frequently have 3 or more appointments before you can begin any work. With the increase in class size and decrease in patients both coming to the school and in patient retention (would you come back four four appointments for one filling?) I cannot see how future students will get anywhere near enough experience. Furthermore, they don't even have enough places to put each student. They sell the one student per cubicle routine during tours but that is no longer true. Not even close. Lack of adequate patients is the BIGGEST reason to not attend Case!! Only slightly disturbing is their response-"it's not our job to find you patients." There are no current plans to attract more patients either.
To graduate you only have to do 3 root canals, and many have trouble getting to do that many and do some on extracted teeth. And molar root canals, rotary, and warm gutta percha aren't taught or allowed "officially", so welcome to the 15th century in endo. But that's ok, because they don't think GPs need to do endo. Or extractions. We learned injections and extractions at the free clinic, not at school. In fact, those who never went there showed up and had no idea the first time how to extract a tooth. To gradaute you extract 25 teeth, compared to other schools that extract many times more. Most preceptors don't use amalgam so you rarely do them. Implants are frequently confiscated by the AEGD Director for his private practice or his students so restoration of an implant is luck of the draw. Some get some, many get none. You don't do any ortho at all. Pedo is nothing but cleanings. Most esthetic cases aren't allowed because Sadan thinks nobody at the school except himself is qualified, so no veneers. So if you are hoping to be a dentist who does no root canals, extractions, amalgam, veneers, pedo, implants, and ortho I think you will find Case to be a great school.
Simply put, the more you demand from your education, the more disappointed you will be at Case. If you are just happy being here because you got a license and nobody else will let you in, then fine. But if you really want to learn, want to EXCEL, and want to be competent when you leave dental school, then this is't the place for you. Case figures if you survive four years, then you are qualified for the real world. If you think like that, then they'll be happy to take your money.
And BTW, Cleveland is a really boring place to live. Case has been voted Top 10 Least Social Campuses in America every year I was here. And the weather sucks too. On the positive, the Browns, Cavs, and Indians all had great seasons last year!
However, I should note there are many good instructors and preceptors, many who "rebel" and allow "banned" procedures to go on, knowing students need to learn them. Kudos to them. I just feel bad for the staff members who can't afford to leave the job. Educating the students is their last priority. Self promotion and public reputation supercede any desire or goal to education it's students. Just avoid the place.👎thumbdown
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I think this post is a bunch of "Dukie." This will make sense to all who attend Case.
wow that post was intense dude. seems like you joined sdn just to post that. a little too unbelievable to believe.
maybe you'd be better off straight up asking ppl to give up their spots at the school so you can get off a waitlist or something. lol
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maybe you'd be better off straight up asking ppl to give up their spots at the school so you can get off a waitlist or something. lol
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We did have a student in this years graduating class who spoke his mind to administratos and was kicked out. I don't know the whole story. I think that he was treatly unfairly (given the little information that I have). But he has been allowed back into school to finish his education. I don't think that the administration is very flexible at all and will not accept student critisism. But I'm fine with that. With dental school you just have to do a lot of stupid crap and bite your toungue...then in four years you are free to practice they way you want. I can't wait for that day!
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Well said, Vasco. One correction, we were taken out for fine Italian dining and drinks at Trattoria on the Hill - not just pizza.👍
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Are you referring to the class of 2011? Where did you get this information??
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I still don't get it! Is it some kind of secret code of Psi O frats ?
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1. Now that it is PBL, everything is graded on a Pass/Fail, yet you are still ranked (you are not aware of the ranking). This year, CWRU over accepted. To cover themselves when they don't have enough room in the clinic, they sent out letters to the 5 lowest ranked students, and with NO PRIOR WARNING said that they were not invited to return to Case.
Do you know if they failed multiple classes? That does sound like a shady way to fix an over acceptance problem. For our class they have been really reasonable working with people who have failed classes or who have failed multiple classes.
I find it very hard to believe that the bottom ranked students in the first year class are arbitrarily assigned.
Do you know if they failed multiple classes? That does sound like a shady way to fix an over acceptance problem. For our class they have been really reasonable working with people who have failed classes or who have failed multiple classes.
I find it very hard to believe that the bottom ranked students in the first year class are arbitrarily assigned.
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Think of "Dukie" as a a nickname, not fecal matter...............make sense now?
No i don't get it either... stop making things up. You're just mad you didn't get your 2+ year member award.
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O.k. I see what you were saying. The first years didn't know where they were ranked and then out of no where they found out they were bringing up the caboose. Ya that sucks. Under the old system with grades we still didn't find out what we were ranked until the end of first year. But we had a sense of how we were doing based on our grades.
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2. A student that recently graduated had serious family troubles his senior year. A family member had a organ transplant, which didn't go so well. When he didn't have patients, he went home to be with her. He had doctor's notes explaining the situation. Without warning, they threatened to not graduate him the week before he walked, SOLELY for attendance. Instead, they kicked him out of Case residency he had already been accepted to, SOLELY for attendance, and now at the risk of being blacklisted by other residencies, has to wait it out for a year at Case before they will let him back in.
Does this sound like the kind of school with student's best interests at heart?
I have to say that I am a little shocked to find this information on sdn, since I only told a few people about this in confidence. There is more to this story than what has been posted and I am not going to go into it. I hope whoever did post this will keep their mouth shut from now on. This is only causing more stress for my family than is necessary so I ask that there be no more reference to this.🙁
To those applying you need to make your decision based on what fits you best. Your experience may be wonderful it may be horrible. While I agree there are problems at Case, it is the same for any dental school. You get what you make of it.
Does this sound like the kind of school with student's best interests at heart?
I have to say that I am a little shocked to find this information on sdn, since I only told a few people about this in confidence. There is more to this story than what has been posted and I am not going to go into it. I hope whoever did post this will keep their mouth shut from now on. This is only causing more stress for my family than is necessary so I ask that there be no more reference to this.🙁
To those applying you need to make your decision based on what fits you best. Your experience may be wonderful it may be horrible. While I agree there are problems at Case, it is the same for any dental school. You get what you make of it.
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You had to go and bring up the 2-year member award, didn't you? Low blow, man. And I apologize for making such a far-fetched remark. Just another futile attempt at being accepted in the cool crowd. I'll go back to playing Magic: The Gathering and watching Tivo'ed episodes of X-Files now.🙁
P.S. Where the hell is my 2-year member award? Member since January 2006 here! Last time I checked that was over two years ago! Do I not post enough or what? I guess I'll start pretending to know something about or be interested in every topic that is presented to boost my numbers! OK, that's enough ranting for now......Mmmmmmmm, hello, Agent Scully.😍
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I'm not Duke I think you missed the flashing neon sign I graduated he hasn't. I don't think he would be nearly as polite, succinct and eloquent as I was if he could speak his mind. Though some of my info definitely came from seeing what he went and is going thru. And since I know him well, I guarantee you he would not be dumb enough to post anything where it would cause him more trouble. He's got enough problems already. I think he learned his lesson. But I'm finally free and can speak my mind. I can't think of one student in my class who didn't sit and complain on a weekly basis about something, and then they just think that's how it has to be. It doesn't have to be that way nor should it. It's crazy how people spend four years sucking it up and shutting up just to survive because they know they have to, and then once they graduate, they say how great it was. Makes no sense which is why I waited until my license was processed and now I am untouchable and free to say how bad CASE SUCKS! Good luck Duke!
ps-I wouldn't want to be the poor starving college student making $6 an hour to call alumni and get Duke's number! lol.
ps-I wouldn't want to be the poor starving college student making $6 an hour to call alumni and get Duke's number! lol.
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Yes the new clinical director can rule with an iron fist but he has set very reasonable and attainable requirements to graduate. I have spoken with him several times and when he is with you one on one he will listen and try to make changes to better the situation for schools. While westernbounddmd claims to talk freely, I would be willing to bet they never try to solve a concern they had with the school. Our class has several whiners but very few of these people came up with any real solutions.
As far as the student getting kicked out...he was not kicked out but asked to leave for a semesters and handle some anger management courses. As of the last day of clinic he was back at the school working. Ask anyone who knows the situation and they will tell you the kid was a ticking time bomb from day one. They had a rap sheet on him a mile long and he is the type to think nothing is his fault. As for the student claimed to be dismissed for attendance issues...yes he had family problems but he took serious advantage of the attendance policy. Furthermore, his best friend says he was asked to resign him position as a resident by the director, not the school. Last I heard he is still at CASE in the AEGD program with a good chance of continuing his residency there next year. Yes Case like every other school has its weaknesses but the great thing about dental school is you get out what you put in. Westernbounddmd probably put nothing in.
As far as the student getting kicked out...he was not kicked out but asked to leave for a semesters and handle some anger management courses. As of the last day of clinic he was back at the school working. Ask anyone who knows the situation and they will tell you the kid was a ticking time bomb from day one. They had a rap sheet on him a mile long and he is the type to think nothing is his fault. As for the student claimed to be dismissed for attendance issues...yes he had family problems but he took serious advantage of the attendance policy. Furthermore, his best friend says he was asked to resign him position as a resident by the director, not the school. Last I heard he is still at CASE in the AEGD program with a good chance of continuing his residency there next year. Yes Case like every other school has its weaknesses but the great thing about dental school is you get out what you put in. Westernbounddmd probably put nothing in.
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I don't remember one student gov't official from our class not shaking their heads in disbelief and pissed off at the way the administration did things in four years. So you are suggesting what, that someone not elected go talk to them and give them advice and criticism in order to solve things? Is that what you are really suggesting. YOU ARE SO FULL OF IT! You wouldn't dare do that, so don't talk all tough and pretend you know anything. Either you talked to them with some authority or I doubt you talked to them at all about anything you thought sucked. Please, correct me if I'm wrong. Give examples. My guess is you kept your head down, said nothing complained a lot at home and to friends like we all did.
You expect me to believe Sadan, Pyle, Goldberg, or Teich care what me the little guy thinks? There's a reason OUR CLASS gave Sadan a picture of himself Teich a book on How to Win and Influence People and the Dean our pictures with $ on our faces. Guess that had no truth behind it huh Westbounddmd? Yeah, I'm sure that was just because one ticking time bomb was sitting there thinking that all up and he just had an anger attack and went nuts and got them those unwarranted gifts. Yeah let's blame Duke. They seem to love treating him real fairly. Did you see him in the Class of 2008 pictures? No? Cuz he wasnt in them. Where was he at graduation? Pam was there but he wasn't. Let me guess he was so angry he couldn't be allowed to walk like she was and finish up later. Go on thinking you got it all figured out. Duke wasn't the only person who had trouble with them he wasn't the only person they tried to kick out just he wasn't smart enough to back down and jump thru their hoops.
Now I'm going to sign up for some anger management meetings. See ya there Duke!
You expect me to believe Sadan, Pyle, Goldberg, or Teich care what me the little guy thinks? There's a reason OUR CLASS gave Sadan a picture of himself Teich a book on How to Win and Influence People and the Dean our pictures with $ on our faces. Guess that had no truth behind it huh Westbounddmd? Yeah, I'm sure that was just because one ticking time bomb was sitting there thinking that all up and he just had an anger attack and went nuts and got them those unwarranted gifts. Yeah let's blame Duke. They seem to love treating him real fairly. Did you see him in the Class of 2008 pictures? No? Cuz he wasnt in them. Where was he at graduation? Pam was there but he wasn't. Let me guess he was so angry he couldn't be allowed to walk like she was and finish up later. Go on thinking you got it all figured out. Duke wasn't the only person who had trouble with them he wasn't the only person they tried to kick out just he wasn't smart enough to back down and jump thru their hoops.
Now I'm going to sign up for some anger management meetings. See ya there Duke!
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I would greatly appreciate my name and situation not be used, mentioned, or referred to in this discussion. It can only hurt me if confusion arises as to who said what. Again, I would really appreciate it. 
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But I would like to send some overdue love to Westbounddmd. Guess I ruffled someone's panties! 😍 Happy thoughts! No anonymous anger here!
Sincerely,
David B Duke
( I just liked that one)But I would like to send some overdue love to Westbounddmd. Guess I ruffled someone's panties! 😍 Happy thoughts! No anonymous anger here!
Sincerely,
David B Duke
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So let me get this straight...you went to Case, graduated, you are now making money by posting your degree in your office and telling everyone in the world that your education sucked? BRILLIANT!!! You are right about the gifts athat were given but they were given by our class president who had a GREAT relationship with each of those individuals and knew they could take a joke. It was a ROAST! Go compare our requirements to USC's or any other dental school and tell me how bad we had it at Case. You are the type of person that would probably complain about anything that didn't go your way so people, take what this guy says as a grain of salt.
I also appreciate you sticking up for your friend whose name will not be mentioned, but once again, he didn't get kicked out of school (as you said he is still there) and he will soon graduate. If I were you I would spend my time promoting Case so your patients think you learned something...or were you one of the many complainers who skipped more than half of the classes offered at Case?
I also appreciate you sticking up for your friend whose name will not be mentioned, but once again, he didn't get kicked out of school (as you said he is still there) and he will soon graduate. If I were you I would spend my time promoting Case so your patients think you learned something...or were you one of the many complainers who skipped more than half of the classes offered at Case?
darn.... calm down people. Everyone had different experience at Case. Good or bad. I skipped more than half of the classes offered at Case and still received great clinical education there. yeah... I'm proud to be Case graduate.
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Since I went to Case and had a bad experience, was treated like crap but graduated I should run around talking good about them so I can make money. Thats how it works? I should make them look good so I look good? You have the same philosophy as they do, and I am starting to doubt you are even a student. That logic makes no sense.
So all us "many complainers who skipped more than half of the classes offered at Case" skipped because the quality was so good? I mean let's not make this into a debate between you and I. If so many were skipping, why is that? Why was nobody ever in class? I wish I knew who you were so I could lay all your crap out for everyone like you did earlier, since you are so positive and perfect and everyone who hates Case must certainly be a bad person who is a terrible student and needs some therapy. Couldn't possibly be because we are independent thinkers with expectations that weren't met by Case. Perhaps your expectations of a school and yourself are so low they are more easily met than mine. Perhaps Case wasn't the only school I got into and unlike some CHOSE to come here because I fell for the illusion we call Case. Maybe that is why I am most bitter. You mention USC, but I can mention plenty of schools where they have far better clinical and didactic programs.
Bottom line, patients don't walk in and go straight for the diploma on the wall (you think people out here know where Case is anyway?). They don't ask your GPA before they let you work. They don't bounce around dentists looking for the "A" dentist in Op for their fillings, the "A" guy for crowns.....thats not how it works.
Just because I graduated from them doesn't mean it is fair for them to take all the credit, like I owe them something. THEY ARE NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR ALL MY DENTAL KNOWLEDGE, THERE ARE OTHER SOURCES!! They got their tuition money. And I learned some things. I dont owe them nothing. I expect nothing from them. And I will treat them like the used car salesman who sold me a lemon. I will be happy to share my negative experience in hopes that others will either avoid them or maybe just maybe take a good hard look and make some changes. Its about time. They just changed the curriculum don't tell me change isn't possible if you want it to happen.
Oh, and one more thing.....a "GREAT" relationship with each of those individuals? You're kidding, right? It took a whole cup of salt to keep me from choking on that crap. Seriously, are you a student?
I'm done here. I hate Case. I said what I wanted to. No sense debating it. Now I'm gone out of Cleveland I have a life to live. The best indicator of what students thought of Case will become evident when they try to get money from us. Good luck don't waste your time on me.
So all us "many complainers who skipped more than half of the classes offered at Case" skipped because the quality was so good? I mean let's not make this into a debate between you and I. If so many were skipping, why is that? Why was nobody ever in class? I wish I knew who you were so I could lay all your crap out for everyone like you did earlier, since you are so positive and perfect and everyone who hates Case must certainly be a bad person who is a terrible student and needs some therapy. Couldn't possibly be because we are independent thinkers with expectations that weren't met by Case. Perhaps your expectations of a school and yourself are so low they are more easily met than mine. Perhaps Case wasn't the only school I got into and unlike some CHOSE to come here because I fell for the illusion we call Case. Maybe that is why I am most bitter. You mention USC, but I can mention plenty of schools where they have far better clinical and didactic programs.
Bottom line, patients don't walk in and go straight for the diploma on the wall (you think people out here know where Case is anyway?). They don't ask your GPA before they let you work. They don't bounce around dentists looking for the "A" dentist in Op for their fillings, the "A" guy for crowns.....thats not how it works.
Just because I graduated from them doesn't mean it is fair for them to take all the credit, like I owe them something. THEY ARE NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR ALL MY DENTAL KNOWLEDGE, THERE ARE OTHER SOURCES!! They got their tuition money. And I learned some things. I dont owe them nothing. I expect nothing from them. And I will treat them like the used car salesman who sold me a lemon. I will be happy to share my negative experience in hopes that others will either avoid them or maybe just maybe take a good hard look and make some changes. Its about time. They just changed the curriculum don't tell me change isn't possible if you want it to happen.
Oh, and one more thing.....a "GREAT" relationship with each of those individuals? You're kidding, right? It took a whole cup of salt to keep me from choking on that crap. Seriously, are you a student?
I'm done here. I hate Case. I said what I wanted to. No sense debating it. Now I'm gone out of Cleveland I have a life to live. The best indicator of what students thought of Case will become evident when they try to get money from us. Good luck don't waste your time on me.
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Great post. I am jealous that you are out the door and making money. Good luck with your career.
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I've talked with many of my peers who will not donate back to CASE. Some of them say they will not donate until the financial aid lady has left the school....others say that they won't donate period. I had a classmate tell me that he talked to the dean about switching some things around and he flat out told the dean that they are going to have difficult time raising money from our class in the future and the dean told him "you'll donate when your children want to come here"! No joke that is what he said!
I personally will not donate to CASE until all of my school loans are paid off. I'm still bitter about the price tag.
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westernbound are great...complain about the price tag yet YOU CHOOSE to go there knowing the price tag. BRILLIANT!
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