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i have opportunities to interview at both cleveland clinic and case western, but can only do one of them d/t scheduling. anybody have experience with either of these programs to help me in my descision?
 
I have more or less the same question...
 
I interviewed at both: Case was a good, solid program, lots of peds opportunities. Kind of had a homey atmosphere. Faculty and residents very nice, personable yet "nerdy" feel. Got the feeling that they would be very supportive of residents. Only turn off was that they dissed the Clev Clinic on interview day.
The Cleveland Clinic: Very impressive faculty, very impressive cases. Left alone with very complicated patients from the start (so you have to learn quickly on your own). The residents said that there was minimal teaching (formal didactics bad, informal teaching nonexistant). Probably a great program if you are incredibly independent and a bit of a cowboy (or cowgirl).
 
I interviewed at both: Case was a good, solid program, lots of peds opportunities. Kind of had a homey atmosphere. Faculty and residents very nice, personable yet "nerdy" feel. Got the feeling that they would be very supportive of residents. Only turn off was that they dissed the Clev Clinic on interview day.
The Cleveland Clinic: Very impressive faculty, very impressive cases. Left alone with very complicated patients from the start (so you have to learn quickly on your own). The residents said that there was minimal teaching (formal didactics bad, informal teaching nonexistant). Probably a great program if you are incredibly independent and a bit of a cowboy (or cowgirl).


Identical feel I had about the 2 programs. I also spent 2 months rotating at Cleveland Clinic and was told by a couple of residents there too look else where. Had great volume where you did everything under sun, but the intraoperative teaching was few and far between and the didactics were not good at all. Maybe they have addressed these issues now? Overall, I didn't think Case held a candle compared to Cleveland Clinic.

PM if you want more information on my take about CCF.
 
So I have an interviews at Case Western and Cleveland Clinic so I'm psyched. However, I get an email today saying that I've been wait-listed at Case Metro Health? What's the difference between Case Western and Case Metro Health besides geography? Its seems weird that I would get an interview at one and not the other. Oh well, can't get all of them. :laugh:
 
Case Western and "Case" MetroHealth are essentially two totally different programs & hospital systems. I know that Case Western sends their residents to Metro for a month of trauma but that's pretty much the extent of the interaction. Some of the other residencies share resources a bit more.

I interviewed at both Case & the CCF. Overall Case had a much friendlier and laid back feel. Seemed like the residents got along very well and the relationship with attendings was informal. The Hospital is top-notch. Plenty of resources, speciality programs, and quality cases. Some people I know who've rotated there thought the cases were a bit on the bread-&-butter side but I find that a bit hard to believe. This was my favorite Cleveland program.

The Cleveland Clinic is very well known, at least in N.E. Ohio, as being an excellent system where many procedures that only a handful of people in the country can do are performed. If it’s a surgical procedure, you’ll probably see it here. However I left the interview uninspired. The interviewers were very dry, residents a bit uninterested, and the program overall cold and impersonal. I was impressed by the intern year and its emphasis on critical care but overall I didn’t see myself there for four years.
 
Both set you up at great hotels. Case's has an awesome big screen TV, and Clinic's is pimp, and if you're lucky enough to get a top level room, it has a great view of the city, and they are very large with good room service.

Case: Everyone was really laid back, nice, and collegial. They really recruited you to come to their program, and even though the dinner the night before blew (not to mention the fiasco of lunch afterwards, which was actually kinda funny), overall, there was alot of contact with the residents, and they had no trouble answering questions. The hospital isn't that great looks wise on the inside (some people would differ on this?), but it seems like they have a good didactic program with faculty support. Only one resident seemed hostile about the faculty/resident relationship and learning process, but he seemed like an utter toolbox. Interview wise, very laid back, and while I interview well, I felt like this one was particularly "homey" feeling as others have said, with the faculty straight up saying "we work hard, and we play hard, come and join us if you're cool". One last thing: you get TONS of time with many residents in order to pick their brains. Not so at CCF.

CCF: Massive hospital, not that far from Case, with an ever growing set of resources. Interview day seemed like the line at an airport, with shuffling to whatever faculty member was available, no matter if they had seen your file or not. It wasn't all bad: I enjoyed the conversations with the faculty, and while, like I said, I'm a good interviewer, I felt that this one was definitely more cold and dry, as it took alot more out of me to get the homey feeling I strive for in interviews. The PD at the end sits you down, and gives you a % score of how you did, but it seemed to me like he told everyone "you did really well". I had several residents during the lunch (which, btw, had the PD and Secretary...whats her name...present), NOT to come to the program, and one guy, who was seriously a pompous toolbox, tell us that he knows he will be "one of the best out of CCF, and that the workload of 100+ hours a week and no didactics is just something to deal with". Seemed like the didactics was weak, the faculty cold, the residents toolish gunners.

Hospital Factor: CCF >>> Case
Didactics Factor: Case >>> CCF
Name Factor: CCF>>Case
Coolness Factor of Residents: Case >> CCF
Atmosphere: Case >> CCF

Cleveland? 👎

I'd say that's a pretty honest assessment all the way around.
 
I was told to avoid Case Metro like the plague. As you can see from above, I interviewed at Case Western and CCF.


So I have an interviews at Case Western and Cleveland Clinic so I'm psyched. However, I get an email today saying that I've been wait-listed at Case Metro Health? What's the difference between Case Western and Case Metro Health besides geography? Its seems weird that I would get an interview at one and not the other. Oh well, can't get all of them. :laugh:
 
anyone else having trouble deciding between the two programs? I wasn't super psyched about doing a categorical program but these are the places I was thinking about. Any thoughts? What did you guys think about Case's intern year?
 
CCF has had some recent administrative changes, no?

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Cleveland Clinic currently has an interim anesthesiology chair. The former chair Dr. Mike Roizen is still within the institution but is now serving as the chief wellness officer. There is a nationwide chair search going on right now.

I have to disagree with Coastie's old post from 2007 about the residents being gunners. I never felt that way while I was a resident there. The CCF residency program is a harder-working program, however, you do end up being a highly-trained anesthesiologist in the end. Saying he/she is "the best" and works 100-hour weeks is exaggeration and I wouldn't generalize all of the residents based on a short candidate luncheon. Personally I never worked more than 80 hours while I was there, and averaged 65 hours/week consistently.

The strong points of the program are support for research/meeting attendance (if you publish something or present a poster they will pay for you to go...period), wide variety of cases with complex patients, and a multitude of fellowship options. If you train at CCF as a resident and you are halfway competent you can pretty much land a spot in any of the fellowship programs. They really favor internal candidates.

I don't know much about Case's program or Metrohealth.
 
Both set you up at great hotels. Case's has an awesome big screen TV, and Clinic's is pimp, and if you're lucky enough to get a top level room, it has a great view of the city, and they are very large with good room service.

Case: Everyone was really laid back, nice, and collegial. They really recruited you to come to their program, and even though the dinner the night before blew (not to mention the fiasco of lunch afterwards, which was actually kinda funny), overall, there was alot of contact with the residents, and they had no trouble answering questions. The hospital isn't that great looks wise on the inside (some people would differ on this?), but it seems like they have a good didactic program with faculty support. Only one resident seemed hostile about the faculty/resident relationship and learning process, but he seemed like an utter toolbox. Interview wise, very laid back, and while I interview well, I felt like this one was particularly "homey" feeling as others have said, with the faculty straight up saying "we work hard, and we play hard, come and join us if you're cool". One last thing: you get TONS of time with many residents in order to pick their brains. Not so at CCF.

CCF: Massive hospital, not that far from Case, with an ever growing set of resources. Interview day seemed like the line at an airport, with shuffling to whatever faculty member was available, no matter if they had seen your file or not. It wasn't all bad: I enjoyed the conversations with the faculty, and while, like I said, I'm a good interviewer, I felt that this one was definitely more cold and dry, as it took alot more out of me to get the homey feeling I strive for in interviews. The PD at the end sits you down, and gives you a % score of how you did, but it seemed to me like he told everyone "you did really well". I had several residents during the lunch (which, btw, had the PD and Secretary...whats her name...present), NOT to come to the program, and one guy, who was seriously a pompous toolbox, tell us that he knows he will be "one of the best out of CCF, and that the workload of 100+ hours a week and no didactics is just something to deal with". Seemed like the didactics was weak, the faculty cold, the residents toolish gunners.

Hospital Factor: CCF >>> Case
Didactics Factor: Case >>> CCF
Name Factor: CCF>>Case
Coolness Factor of Residents: Case >> CCF
Atmosphere: Case >> CCF

Cleveland? 👎

I'd say that's a pretty honest assessment all the way around.

I enjoy how you make fun of others and note how "good" you are. You must be da man at your program!
 
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