D.O. school rankings?

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Does anyone know the rankings of all 20 D.O. schools?
 
This question is asked every week. There are no rankings for DO schools.
 
maybe tae can put up a sticky for this too 😀
 
Nope. it sure doesn't. that's why they say go to the school that you like the best, not what other people think of IT. it doesn't matter where you go. it's what you make of it. there's no big difference among the DO schools. If you go by USNEWS' primary care rankings, the top 3 are (1)MSUCOM (2) UNTHS/TCOM (3) OSUCOM. This is bull**** rankings, because USNEWS weighs in heavily the research grants by NIH. Who cares about research when you're a DO.
 
Actually, DO schools and DOs are starting to add more focus on basic science research and clinical research. But it's a catch-up game and DOs are very far behind.

That said, here's the ranking that you wanted

1. AZCOM
2. CCOM
3. DMU-COM
4. KCOM
5. LECOM
6. MSUCOM
7. NYCOM
8. NSUCOM
9. OUCOM
10.OSUCOM
11. PCOM
12. PCSOM
13. TUCOM
14. UHS-COM
15. UMDNJ-SOM
16. UNECOM
17. UNTHSC-TCOM
18. VCOM
19. WUHS-COMP
20. WVSOM

How the list was determined?

Well, I typed in the initials of all 20 osteopathic schools approved by the AOA. Then I ranked them in alphabetical order.

Remember, the OP never asked for any specific criteria when he asked for ranking.
 
You're a dork, never post a reply like that again. It wasn't even funny. Quit being a dick (or bit@h). It was a simple question, that warranted a reply without sarcasm.

IlliniDO
 
Originally posted by IlliniDO
You're a dork, never post a reply like that again. It wasn't even funny. Quit being a dick (or bit@h). It was a simple question, that warranted a reply without sarcasm.

IlliniDO
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c'mon, this was quite unwarranted. if you guys would do a search of the forums you'll find that there are many other threads about this and that slickness is correct: there are no official rankings.
 
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Originally posted by crazy250
Who cares about research when you're a DO.
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New cures and treatments for the diseased and dying.....................surely that can't be important.
 
Originally posted by drusso
I'd like you to elaborate on this. Why do you think DO's shouldn't concern themselves with research?
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I thought DO schools emphasized more on patient care than on research. Everywhere I've interviewed, when I ask about the schools' research projects, the interviewers were like "research??? we're not a research institution. if you're so interested in research, why don't you go to an MD school?"

I'm not saying DO's can't do research. In fact, there needs to be more DO researchers so they can better represented in the medical profession. It's something that's just not stressed at DO schools.
 
I think that for the most part, all the DO school provide a good education. I don't think that one DO school is more prestigous than another. I mean come on, when you rotate with a student from another DO school, are you gonna think to yourselves..."holy cow, this guy came from PCOM" or any other DO school. there isn't such a big difference in terms of prestige among DO schools like there is among MD schools. Theres a big difference b/t Harvard and howard, not among PCOM vs azcom vs KCOM, etc.

in terms of research, if our profession wants to expand in terms of acceptance and quality, we must do research and have our professors do research.
 
I agree that research must be done. I know that TCOM and UHS are pushing for more research in the field. It is nice though that most faculity WANT to teach vs just teaching to get the grants.
 
Originally posted by drusso
I'd like you to elaborate on this. Why do you think DO's shouldn't concern themselves with research?
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Hey drusso, didn't you just have some research that was published in either in the JAOA or the DO magazine? (I can't remember which)
 
Originally posted by YellowRose
I think that for the most part, all the DO school provide a good education. I don't think that one DO school is more prestigous than another. I mean come on, when you rotate with a student from another DO school, are you gonna think to yourselves..."holy cow, this guy came from PCOM" or any other DO school. there isn't such a big difference in terms of prestige among DO schools like there is among MD schools. Theres a big difference b/t Harvard and howard, not among PCOM vs azcom vs KCOM, etc.

in terms of research, if our profession wants to expand in terms of acceptance and quality, we must do research and have our professors do research.
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YellowRose,

So, do you think that research = prestige? Are there any DO schools that you consider prestigious institutions or do you think that they are all about the same? For example, there are some small liberal arts colleges that are very prestigious, but don't produce much research (Bryn Mawr, Smith, Wellesley, etc). How do you think they've managed to maintain high prestige and not produce much research? Do you think that osteopathic schools could occupy a similar niche--i.e. "liberal arts" medical schools?

How do you think that D.O. schools can improve their output of research?
 
Well,

i do think that research does equal prestige to a certain point. if you're spending millions on significant research that would benefit a larger society, as well as get published in major journals, then yes, it would help. but if your spending millions on obscure research that, in the end, gets published only in XYZ journal thats barely heard of, then that won't help too much. then again, research isn't the only factor, there's quality of the students, quality of faculty, etc.

I think that the medical profession and becoming a physician is prestigous, but i don't, personally, think that any particular DO school is more prestigous than another, do you? and if so, which ones are the most prestigous? also, what factors do you place on whether a school is prestigous or not?

in terms of the liberal arts schools, i think they earn their prestige not from research, but from the selectivity of their students and quality of their faculty. The claremont colleges (pomona college, scripps, harvey mudd)are down the street from me, and their average SAT scores are like 1350-1450, and i'm sure its similar to other prestigous liberal arts schools. Now we could models the DO schools around them, but that would mean we higher our admissions standards (>33MCAT, >3.7GPA). now if we were to do this for the next 10 years, i'll bet you that our prestige level in the eyes of residency directors and fellow students would increase.
 
rankings are lame. if you desire rankings, go to law school. i say that with complete respect and politeness- i am not trying to goad you or be mean.

imagine how scary it would be if there were such things as "fourth tier" med schools. thankfully, there are not, depsite what anyone has led you to believe.
 
In a combined ranking of DO and MD schools, WVSOM has been ranked #10 in Family Practice and rual medicine by US News.
 
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I never quite get rankings....then again I went to a state school for my education.

What I always wondered.....how many people actualy take the time to wonder where thier doctor got their education? 1 out of 1,000? 10,000? 100,000? Just a thought....
 
Yeah, when I was applying to the DO schools, I couldn't find a ranking system. Also, the opinions on SDN are just opinions. Go where you feel most comfortable, but also check out the pass rates for the board exams and what residency programs the students match in.

About the research, I am current MS/DO student at KCOM. I honestly believe more DO's should do research. I can write a ton more on this subject, but I will quit.
 
You're right, robz. Not many people care where you went to school. Also, what I've come across is how many people don't know the process or what it takes to become a physician.

As for the rankings, U.S. News & World Report's best grad schools 2004 have certain schools ranked in various specialties. It does have stats on ALL the DO schools as far as the usual gpa/mcat, as well as the percentage of people gaining acceptance. I thought that was interesting. Go to the bookstore and browse through it, it's not worth buying unless you'd want to reference it again.
 
Originally posted by crazy250
Nope. it sure doesn't. that's why they say go to the school that you like the best, not what other people think of IT. it doesn't matter where you go. it's what you make of it. there's no big difference among the DO schools. If you go by USNEWS' primary care rankings, the top 3 are (1)MSUCOM (2) UNTHS/TCOM (3) OSUCOM. This is bull**** rankings, because USNEWS weighs in heavily the research grants by NIH. Who cares about research when you're a DO.
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How about how you are preceived in the community and by other physicians? Part of the ranking is reputation. How do you overcome a stereotype of having gone to an easy medical school? Why wouldn't you want the brightest of the brightest students in the country as your classmates, DO or otherwise?? By the way, who cares about research? What is that nonsense? It makes sense to me that you want to be around people that are actually verifying the info you are being taught...how nice it is to walk down the hall and find out first hand from researchers about diabetes or cancer or whatever! Research is important to DO's and there is a difference in the DO schools. Why attend a school that is only 3 years old when you can attend one that has 100 years of teaching experience? Reputation is important to those teaching your gross class sorry to say. It is important to just about everyone in the medical community (your peers and eventually you 20 years down the road) where you go to school. Otherwise we would all hang out in junior college. Prestige is everywhere and is especially important to educators as well. Where do the medical conferences get their keynote speakers? Prestigious universities who hire the best researchers and teachers available.
Sorry if I don't want to attend a school who's reputation is second class because utopia does NOT exist when it comes to medicine in the USA.
 
Medicine is learned in the hospitals not in the schools. You may think you know quite a bit as an MSI or MSII but you are wrong. Wait until your clinicals...youll find out that the name of the school you attend does not matter.
stomper
 
My point exactly! Where are the best teaching hospitals? Where are you getting the best education? At the best schools with the best faculty. All based on...$$$ and reputation.
 
Best school does not equal best hospital. And actually Ive had great attendings at small community hospitals, and some pretty bad attendings at a "great top 50 hospital".
Remember its the attendings and residents that are teaching you...not the hospitals reputation.
I think you really need a reality check of hospital life.
stomper
 
I think you really need a reality check of hospital life.
stomper [/B][/QUOTE]

What does that mean?!
 
I think what Stomper means that you are pre-med and don't really know what you are talking about yet, so you might want to wait a few years before you start making statements as though they were facts. The fact is, you know very little about being a medical student right now. I know less than 2nd years, who know less than 3rd years, etc.

A huge, important lesson that you will (hopefully) learn in medical school is humility. I sure learned it this year. You might be top of the pile right now in undergrad, but the first thing you will learn as a medical student is that you are nothing special. In fact, you are the lowest of the low. The second thing you may learn is that you know so little about the way the medical professional culture works (unless you are already an allied health professional). And believe me, it has its own culture, complete with culture shock that you will likely experience in your first few months.

So many people spout off on these boards, and say things they don't really know for sure. Just chill out, do your best, go to the school that is best for you (unless you are in Texas then you go where you matched or wait another year...). Then, when you have a little more knowledge, come back and share it (humbly) with others.

Best of luck.
 
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I'm just speaking from what little experience I have. I thought I knew all about the medical world as a pre-med and had it all figured out, knew what was going to get me the best education, etc., etc. As I said earlier, I learned a big lesson in humility because once I started school, I realized how little I really knew about this profession and its culture, and I still know very little, but I know more than you. 🙂

What I've learned is that there are no clear lines. There are good and bad things about all schools and you have to balance those things and make the most of where you are. People reading your post who are going to a medical school that has only been open for a few years would be insulted by your comments (which are poorly informed at best) because they may feel this is the best place for them, or maybe the only place that accepted them. That's what I mean about needing to learn some humility.

Furthermore, neither you nor I have done clinical rotations. Therefore, we should both learn from those who have, which I think is what Stomper was implying.
 
Originally posted by sophiejane
I'm just speaking from what little experience I have. I thought I knew all about the medical world as a pre-med and had it all figured out, knew what was going to get me the best education, etc., etc. As I said earlier, I learned a big lesson in humility because once I started school, I realized how little I really knew about this profession and its culture, and I still know very little, but I know more than you. 🙂

What I've learned is that there are no clear lines. There are good and bad things about all schools and you have to balance those things and make the most of where you are. People reading your post who are going to a medical school that has only been open for a few years would be insulted by your comments (which are poorly informed at best) because they may feel this is the best place for them, or maybe the only place that accepted them. That's what I mean about needing to learn some humility.

Furthermore, neither you nor I have done clinical rotations. Therefore, we should both learn from those who have, which I think is what Stomper was implying.
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I'm sorry but arguments about humility are ridiculus and don't follow any rules of rationality. All I interpret from your post is bitterness about having chosen a less prestigious school to attend. Oh by the way, you are a student. I work in the profession, know the culture and remember where your focus is while in school...in your books and classes. You should be more careful and presume less about people who post in SDN.
For example, just yesterday and prior to these insults by you, I was speaking with my co-director about my recent interview at a DO school. She is on the selection committee for the internal medicine residents and stated something like this.
Be careful if you go to a DO school because we know that they are less selective than the MD schools. If you chose to go to a DO school, then you need to do really well and be ranked at the top of your class. We know that a person in the top 50% of her class is going to be in the bottom quarter of an MD class.
BELIEVE IT!!! This was told to me YESTERDAY!!! My point is that as many of us "pre-meds" make our selections on where we will attend medical school, the questions we ask are valid and based on some real life truths. If you choose to ignore those truths then go on believing in the mantra of "Go where ever they make you FEEL good...Follow your heart...go where you like it the best...ect." All of that touchy feely stuff is messed up! How bout some logic and rationality in this decision making process?!
It sure would be nice if STOMPER could explain to me about what they meant about my original question, just trying to learn something here. But HEY!!! Thanks for thinking for them!
 
Originally posted by STAC
For example, just yesterday and prior to these insults by you, I was speaking with my co-director about my recent interview at a DO school. She is on the selection committee for the internal medicine residents and stated something like this.
Be careful if you go to a DO school because we know that they are less selective than the MD schools. If you chose to go to a DO school, then you need to do really well and be ranked at the top of your class. We know that a person in the top 50% of her class is going to be in the bottom quarter of an MD class.
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What an arrogant statement for that co-director to make. Let me guess she is an MD? So where did she go to school? If it wasn't Harvard people might think she wasn't smart enough and although she may have been top at her med school, she would be in the bottom half at Harvard.😡
 
Ahh!!! We circle around to the question of prestige again! Yes she is an MD but didn't go to Harvard.

The point is not that she is arrogant but the impression and stereotype of being a lesser student can even follow one into residency! That's why I looked at this post in the first place, to find out about rankings and things like that at the DO schools. I think it's great the MSU and TCOM and someone else are among the top ranked primary schools in the country according to the "official list" US News. I have noticed that is important to the schools and is used as a recruiting tool when you go to interview.
 
I do hope you match at San Antonio, STAC. It will be interesting if you match at TCOM, since I noticed that you interviewed here.

If you match at Galveston, you should know that one of the directors of a sought-after residency program in Texas told me when I matched at TCOM that the students they get from TCOM are better prepared and of higher quality than those at Galveston. That's not arrogance, that's also a fact.

Best of luck.
 
Originally posted by STAC
I'm sorry but arguments about humility are ridiculus and don't follow any rules of rationality. All I interpret from your post is bitterness about having chosen a less prestigious school to attend. Oh by the way, you are a student. I work in the profession, know the culture and remember where your focus is while in school...in your books and classes. You should be more careful and presume less about people who post in SDN.
For example, just yesterday and prior to these insults by you, I was speaking with my co-director about my recent interview at a DO school. She is on the selection committee for the internal medicine residents and stated something like this.
Be careful if you go to a DO school because we know that they are less selective than the MD schools. If you chose to go to a DO school, then you need to do really well and be ranked at the top of your class. We know that a person in the top 50% of her class is going to be in the bottom quarter of an MD class.
BELIEVE IT!!! This was told to me YESTERDAY!!! My point is that as many of us "pre-meds" make our selections on where we will attend medical school, the questions we ask are valid and based on some real life truths. If you choose to ignore those truths then go on believing in the mantra of "Go where ever they make you FEEL good...Follow your heart...go where you like it the best...ect." All of that touchy feely stuff is messed up! How bout some logic and rationality in this decision making process?!
It sure would be nice if STOMPER could explain to me about what they meant about my original question, just trying to learn something here. But HEY!!! Thanks for thinking for them!
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Originally posted by STAC
We know that a person in the top 50% of her class is going to be in the bottom quarter of an MD class.
BELIEVE IT!!! This was told to me YESTERDAY!!!
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You are"in the profession" and you believe something based upon what one person told you? That's kind of disturbing. Don't you think you should have some research and facts to back up a statement in which you throw around percentages like that? if you have them, please do share them. There is a huge spectrum of MD graduates, from IMGs and Meharry right up to the top tier schools. DO graduates fall anywhere in between that spectrum. A TCOM grad recently got an endo fellowship at Hopkins. Is she equal to the "bottom half" of the graduates from Meharry or a Carribean school? Of course not. Your so-called statistics are totally unfounded.
 
Originally posted by sophiejane
I do hope you match at San Antonio, STAC. It will be interesting if you match at TCOM, since I noticed that you interviewed here.

If you match at Galveston, you should know that one of the directors of a sought-after residency program in Texas told me when I matched at TCOM that the students they get from TCOM are better prepared and of higher quality than those at Galveston. That's not arrogance, that's also a fact.

Best of luck.
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Interesting comment from a TCOM student...hope you go to an MD school. Maybe you should join the student ambassadors for TCOM. YES!!! If I match at TCOM...then you can be my second year buddy!!!
 
Why would I want you to be here if you consider it an inferior school? You would be unhappy, clearly. I said that with all earnestness. I hope you get your wish, that's all.
 
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Originally posted by sophiejane
You are"in the profession" and you believe something based upon what one person told you? That's kind of disturbing. Don't you think you should have some research and facts to back up a statement in which you throw around percentages like that? if you have them, please do share them. There is a huge spectrum of MD graduates, from IMGs and Meharry right up to the top tier schools. DO graduates fall anywhere in between that spectrum. A TCOM grad recently got an endo fellowship at Hopkins. Is she equal to the "bottom half" of the graduates from Meharry or a Carribean school? Of course not. Your so-called statistics are totally unfounded.
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O.K...whatever. Read the post again. These are not hard core statistics, this is the opinion of a person on a residency selection committee and again...note everything she said to me. Then, read what you wrote here and see if you are making any sense or just simply attacking someone you don't know and might be attending your school soon.
 
Originally posted by sophiejane
Why would I want you to be here if you consider it an inferior school? You would be unhappy, clearly. I said that with all earnestness. I hope you get your wish, that's all.
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Girl!!! Where in the world did you get that idea?!!! You are cracking me up! I am glad you can divine what is in my head now also...you have no earthly idea of who I am and what makes me happy! But I have to remember that you are only a MS1 and go with that fact. So...I'll give you some slack!

But anyone is free to take this back to the original question about DO school rankings at anytime. Sorry for the raving in this thread with sj.
 
You said, " All I interpret from your post is bitterness about having chosen a less prestigious school to attend. "

That's where I got the notion that you considered TCOM to be inferior to the others on your match list.

In fact, I'm not at all bitter. I'm really happy. The education I am receiving is very high quallity and I do not feel slighted in the least. You asked in another post what another interviewee thought of TCOM. I'm a student here and I'd love to tell you what I think. Just PM me and I will be happy to answer any questions.

And I really do mean best of luck. I know how stressful those last few weeks before the match can be. Be sure to check in early--it was posted around 11pm on January 31 last year...time enough to celebrate before the bars close...
 
Originally posted by sophiejane
You said, " All I interpret from your post is bitterness about having chosen a less prestigious school to attend. "

That's where I got the notion that you considered TCOM to be inferior to the others on your match list.

In fact, I'm not at all bitter. I'm really happy. The education I am receiving is very high quallity and I do not feel slighted in the least. You asked in another post what another interviewee thought of TCOM. I'm a student here and I'd love to tell you what I think. Just PM me and I will be happy to answer any questions.

And I really do mean best of luck. I know how stressful those last few weeks before the match can be. Be sure to check in early--it was posted around 11pm on January 31 last year...time enough to celebrate before the bars close...
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Ahhh...civility! The reason I said what I did was because I couldn't figure out why you were being hostile towards me and so what I was interpreting by that was that you were bitter and had an inferiority complex or something. NOT because I think TCOM is a lesser school. I didn't fill out that Godforsaken secondary y'all have for nothin! Look around SDN and you will see my post that have nothing but praises about your school.
I had an AWESOME interview there! I felt that I was being heavily recruited by the folks I interviewed with there. I had a great visit with your manip professor, by the way.


FYI I wish TCOM was in SA.:wow:
 
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