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DPMrick said:I recently heard from a guy that said someone he know is making over $120,000 fresh out of a 2yr residency in San Francisco. He started his own business and has no other help or connections. Is this possible? Is this a rare case?
PM2 said:Hello,
I am only a P2 so my opinion doesn't matter much either. I would like to say one thing though.
I know it is important to make money, but people going into podiatry should know that there is a huge range in the pay scale of podiatrist.
http://swz.salary.com/salarywizard/layouthtmls/swzl_compresult_national_HC07000103.html
http://www.faqfarm.com/Q/What_does_the_average_podiatrist_earn_in_the_US
http://www.mshealthcareers.com/careers/podiatrist.htm
I recently heard from a guy that said someone he know is making over $120,000 fresh out of a 2yr residency in San Francisco. He started his own business and has no other help or connections. Is this possible? Is this a rare case?
120k isn't much in san fran at all.
Unfortunately the medical professionals income isn't really adjusted as it would be in different feilds such as law or business. Many times physicians find themselves taking less money to live out on either coast.
You cant compare DPMs to Physicians, no offense...
You cant compare DPMs to Physicians, no offense...
Unfortunately the medical professionals income isn't really adjusted as it would be in different feilds such as law or business. Many times physicians find themselves taking less money to live out on either coast.
You cant compare DPMs to Physicians, no offense...
No offense taken. SDN is a great learning tool. This is a subject that has been much debated. DPM's are considered physicians (or podiatric physicians) under most state laws and concerning medicare, medicaid, insurance companies, hospitals, etc. They are also usually grouped with physicians because they are members of medical staff (and even chief of staff) at most hospitals and enjoy full privileges.
Most hospitals in which I have rotated, podiatrists wear a badge that states:
Name, DPM
Physician - Podiatric Surgery

You cant compare DPMs to Physicians, no offense...
You're walking on thin ice, coming in here saying things like that to podiatric medicine medical students and physician subspecialists of orthopedic podiatry and physicians of podiatric medicine and podiatric medicine surgeons. It would be like going into the Dental forum and referring to them as mere "dentists", instead of their more appropriate "physicians of dental medicine", or "dental medical students" or something else with way more adjectives.
I guess you're right, sorry for all the Physicians of the Feet, you guys are doctors, chiefs of all hospitals and make more money than most MDs, in fact I know alot of students not happy with medicine who are dropping out or going post residency to DPM school. I guess you're right, sorry for all the Physicians of the Feet, you guys are doctors, chiefs of all hospitals and make more money than most MDs, in fact I know alot of students not happy with medicine who are dropping out or going post residency to DPM school.
Just to make it clear, are Chiropractors Physicians of the Back as well? I guess my PT friends are Physicians too, and with the new Doctor in Nursing program we are going to have Nurse Physician Chiefs as well. I am confused, seems like everyone is a Physician now.
I guess you're right, sorry for all the Physicians of the Feet, you guys are doctors, chiefs of all hospitals and make more money than most MDs, in fact I know alot of students not happy with medicine who are dropping out or going post residency to DPM school.
Just to make it clear, are Chiropractors Physicians of the Back as well? I guess my PT friends are Physicians too, and with the new Doctor in Nursing program we are going to have Nurse Physician Chiefs as well. I am confused, seems like everyone is a Physician now.
That is a pretty poor comparison. Chiropractors, Pt's, and NP's are not surgeons, are not members of medical staff, don't have hospital privileges, can't write Rx's (NP's in some states can), etc. And as far as "physicians of the feet", you can pretty much play that game with any specialist. Please try and stick to the facts.
I guess you're right, sorry for all the Physicians of the Feet, you guys are doctors, chiefs of all hospitals and make more money than most MDs, in fact I know alot of students not happy with medicine who are dropping out or going post residency to DPM school.
Just to make it clear, are Chiropractors Physicians of the Back as well? I guess my PT friends are Physicians too, and with the new Doctor in Nursing program we are going to have Nurse Physician Chiefs as well. I am confused, seems like everyone is a Physician now.
You're walking on thin ice, coming in here saying things like that to podiatric medicine medical students and physician subspecialists of orthopedic podiatry and physicians of podiatric medicine and podiatric medicine surgeons. It would be like going into the Dental forum and referring to them as mere "dentists", instead of their more appropriate "physicians of dental medicine", or "dental medical students" or something else with way more adjectives.
I would hope that this talk not exist period. There is no room in medicine for narcissist power-hungry egos, too-much of this exists already. I've worked along-side DPMs on several of my patients and got a good idea of the valuable services they provide. MDs need other providers as well, other MDs, DPMs, DDS's and so on. But to the other posters that lash out at medicine, really, it doesn't help. Those with experience know that you are skillful. Comments against any of our specialties (eg. family medicine), is an insult to our entire profession. Moreover, simply b/c family-med has a low compensation doesn't make the individuals less knowledgeable, essential or less worthy. It doesn't give you the right to say that you are better or less, it's just not comparable. They are the first line of defense in medicine and their work is invaluable to all of healthcare. If you give respect, you will receive it, but you cannot demand it.
I would hope that this talk not exist period. There is no room in medicine for narcissist power-hungry egos, too-much of this exists already. I've worked along-side DPMs on several of my patients and got a good idea of the valuable services they provide. MDs need other providers as well, other MDs, DPMs, DDS's and so on. But to the other posters that lash out at medicine, really, it doesn't help. Those with experience know that you are skillful. Comments against any of our specialties (eg. family medicine), is an insult to our entire profession. Moreover, simply b/c family-med has a low compensation doesn't make the individuals less knowledgeable, essential or less worthy. It doesn't give you the right to say that you are better or less, it's just not comparable. They are the first line of defense in medicine and their work is invaluable to all of healthcare. If you give respect, you will receive it, but you cannot demand it.
LAZYGUY - Cool is a young buck and that is where the argument usually occurs is in the younger students. After you have spent time in a clinical setting and you see how important cooperation and teamwork are. You sing a different tune. I have been in his shoes before but I just don't care if people want to sound ignorant.
Also there are pods out there I would not call physicians and there are surgeons I would say the same about (I have met one recently). I think you spoke right about respecting others and earning a title.
hey what did i wrote in this topic dude that you guys are crucifying me. i didnt wrote anything bad or demeaning to anyone this time. I know i did in past but atleast this topic i never said anything so why this sudden targetting on me.
I quoted you because I agreed with your response to the medical school applicant who was bashing Podiatric physicians. In your post you stated that you hoped that this trash talk came only from inexperienced individuals (premeds, MS1, MS2) and not from more experienced people. To which I replied, that I would hope this trash talk would not occur at all. I can see how this was misunderstood, but in replying to your post I was not referring to you, I was directing my words to the entire board. I apologize for any misunderstanding. 😳
Oh man! plzz accept my appolgies. I thought that you were saying about my post. Iam really sorry. God bless you.
He doesnt cry about it or feel embarrassed, he just laughs it off, makes a joke about me. He is confident of himself and his knowledge that he doesnt find the need to cry and explain 100000000 pages of how Pods are equivalent to MDs, actually he doesnt even call himself a doc or physician. I find the guy very humble and knowledgeable and respect him for that.When my best friends brother who is a 3rd year Pod. Surgical Resident bump into each other, we joke around and I ask him to clean the corn on my feetHe doesnt cry about it or feel embarrassed, he just laughs it off, makes a joke about me. He is confident of himself and his knowledge that he doesnt find the need to cry and explain 100000000 pages of how Pods are equivalent to MDs, actually he doesnt even call himself a doc or physician. I find the guy very humble and knowledgeable and respect him for that.
Because now no one knows who is the other person. May be he or she is not even a Med student or Pod student or resident but some disgruntled Pre-med or pre-pod flipping burgers in some run down place and claiming on SDN that he/she is this and that and start narrating his imaginative stories. Tomorrow i can make a new id and claim myself as someone else and start narrating my madeup experience about my jokes with some other healthcare provider😎 .SDN is becoming day by day populated with more and more med students and residents. Which is really a great achievement. But at the same time many high school kids and undergrad college students also join it. I really believe they should have some resgistration mechnanisms which verfies that He/She is indeed a Med student or Pod student or DO or MD or Premed or PreDent or NP or etc and that should be posted along with their USER ID.Because now no one knows who is the other person. May be he or she is not even a Med student or Pod student or resident but some disgruntled Pre-med or pre-pod flipping burgers in some run down place and claiming on SDN that he/she is this and that and start narrating his imaginative stories. Tomorrow i can make a new id and claim myself as someone else and start narrating my madeup experience about my jokes with some other healthcare provider😎 .
I mean who gives us the guarantee that the Poster is really who he or she is. Whats the assurance that he is not just lying or making up the whole story. Any one can get medical terminology/proffesor names/program directors/facility info and now even real life experience of residents from BLOGS or Google.com 😎 . While some people are openly recognized by others as students of a certain college or residents of certain specaility on this forum. they are universally accepted on the forum for who they are and also people know them because they have met them during admission interviews/seminars/residencies, clerkships,etc. But some new guy suddenly popping up out of nowhere and claiming this and that is really questionable😕
Its not directed towards a particular person. but seriously dont you think when we all claim this is a professional forum why not have professional rules and verfication system so that we know what ever we are reading is 100% authentic and not made up.
Why does a person voicing controversial or non-PC opinions have to be a "troll"?
No offense taken. SDN is a great learning tool. This is a subject that has been much debated. DPM's are considered physicians (or podiatric physicians) under most state laws and concerning medicare, medicaid, insurance companies, hospitals, etc. They are also usually grouped with physicians because they are members of medical staff (and even chief of staff) at most hospitals and enjoy full privileges.
Most hospitals in which I have rotated, podiatrists wear a badge that states:
Name, DPM
Physician - Podiatric Surgery
I may be wrong but I just don't see the point of the debate. Everyone is entitled to their opinion but the FACTS are as I have stated them above. You can like it or not but those are the facts.
The comments were made from left field. That is why "a person" would be called a troll. If we were discussing the topic of physicians, then it would be appropriate. If people are talking about a pod in SF making 120K out of residency and you say "pods are not physicians." It does not add to the conversation and the person is only trying to start a fight. That is a troll.
I guess you're right, sorry for all the Physicians of the Feet, you guys are doctors, chiefs of all hospitals and make more money than most MDs, in fact I know alot of students not happy with medicine who are dropping out or going post residency to DPM school.
Just to make it clear, are Chiropractors Physicians of the Back as well? I guess my PT friends are Physicians too, and with the new Doctor in Nursing program we are going to have Nurse Physician Chiefs as well. I am confused, seems like everyone is a Physician now.
I guess your right, I got put on probabtion because of this response, geeezzz I didnt have a clue speech is limited here and you got people restricting your speech and opinions!!! Does the Moderator being a DDS student have anything to do with giving me "an Infraction, claiming my response was offensive" have to do with it. Because no MD moderator found it insultive nor did i mean a little fun here and there with my opinion as insultive.
Fair enough. You understand my point, though?
I can only imagine how frustrating it must be to have people constantly coming in to ruffle your feathers just for the sake of ruffling them. I sympathize and understand the SDN plight.
I don't disagree with the ability to say anything and have oppossing views. That is what has made this forum great.
I would just suggest starting a new thread on the subject next time. Then you can't be seen as a troll b/c you are not taking a thread hostage.
By "you" you mean the guy who started the row in this thread. Not me.
That was the proverbial "you."
