UMDNJ-New Jersey Medical School

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I don't know anything about GW...

UMDNJ IMO is a great program.

I think most people on this thread understand that a "big name" elsewhere can mean nothing in the world of Ophthalmology. For instance, I've heard from several sources on this thread that U Chicago and Northwestern are among the least strong programs in Chicago for ophtho. That to me was surprising, but it just goes to show that the world of ophtho is its own entity. Going into this process, we don't always know such things so a lot of people apply to places that have names.

UMDNJ is not a place that has a name- yet. At least not so much outside of the East Coast. They have a well-respected Wilmer-grad PD in Dr. Langer, and have their share of heavy hitters (ie Dr. Zarbin in Retina). I think people in the know such as fellowship coordinators know about UMDNJ.
For instance, one of their seniors will be starting their Plastics fellowship next year (ASOPRS).

"Pros":
1. TONS of volume. Just tons. (I guess this can be a "con" depending on who you are). You will see everything. Their clinic is basically a free clinic with charity care, and you get people originally from just about every country dropping in. You'll definitely learn Spanish just by being there (mira ariba, etc), there will be people who drop in speaking Arabic, French, Hindi. You name it. Several African countries. And they all have the kind of pathology you thought you wouldn't see in the US. And of course Newark residents who may also have a million comorbidities and a festering problem left untreated for five years.
2. 5 residents per year for Q5 primary call first year.
3. Well-respected faculty that work closely with residents
4. Location: I guess this can be a toss-up but you are only about 20 minutes outside of NYC and you have a whole state to yourself in terms of pathology. If there is an ophtho complaint in NJ, they are sent to Newark.
5. Autonomy- a great mix of autonomy- you work up the patient and make an assessment and plan and the attending will take a look and basically let you know how they feel about that A and P. So you get that education on each and every patient you see- which to me beats working up a patient and then not even knowing what happens to them because you're already working up the next patient when the attending sees your last one.

"Cons":
1. In house call. Again, depends on who you are. But you will be BUSY on call and its better that you are in house. I believe you will get an education on call that rivals any other program in the US. You may get multiple ruptured globes in any given night. So to me this isn't so much of a con. And it's only Q5 anyway.
2. Newark. Again, NO residents live in Newark, some live in NYC I think most live somewhere in NJ. They have lots of nice suburbs and cities in NJ, some that are only a Path ride away from Manhattan.
3. YOU WILL WORK (pro or con)- I think residents looking for a "cush" program will not be thrilled here. And residents who matched here looking for a cush program are probably not too thrilled right now, but I'm just guessing. Do residents feel overworked? I don't know. A good question to ask though on interview day.

Anyway, overall it is a great program, and as I've heard on this board several times, somewhere in the top 3 or 4 NYC area programs. You won't be begging a patient with 20/30 vision to do their cataract. You'll have the volume that most other NYC programs (other than Downstate or NYEE) can only dream of. But know you will work, you will work very hard over three years. You will have clinic days with just waiting rooms full of patients. Volume. Everyone pitches in though for general clinic (will come in after their subspecialty clinic and start calling in patients and working them up, sending them on their way) and you're not travelling solo. I would put the clinical skills of someone at UMDNJ after their first year of ophtho against most second years (or even some third years) anywhere else. But you will work. Know that going into it.

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Extremely busy program which will leave you very well trained. Residents are probably worked very hard, but they didn't seem exhausted. They actually seemed pretty happy. They probably have one of the best cataract numbers in the new york area. Newark is pretty bad, but no one lives there. Half are in other areas of jersey, and half live in NYC which is about 20 mins away they say. They do not have a wet lab I believe.
 
From talking with the residents, it seems that although clinics are busy, it's not terrible in terms of hours as most clinic days won't last longer than 6 PM and averages around 5:30. however, it sounds like during clinic, you see a high volume of patients. in-house calls are nice in that you get around the same amount of sleep as from home calls (3-4 hrs) but you get the post call day off. good clinical and surgical training, good surgical volume, especially things outside of cataract, although still 150+ cataracts. langer is a bit more formal but has won the AAO teaching award several years back. downtown newark is scary but residents live in suburbs, which are nice. also pretty close to manhattan by train. covers the largest population of all nyc area programs, with over 8 million people in new jersey. although not the biggest name in the nyc area, probably one of the best training.
 
As everybody has mentioned before. A program with incredible volume (I heard around 200 cataracts) where you will be VERY BUSY. I have visited a lot of busy programs and prefer busy...but it was a bit intimidating here. The residents were seeing about 60 patients themselves a day......

But residents are all very good and reliable for fellowship and private practice.
 
they have pretty good faculty support, it's just that's the amount of patients seen by the resident clinic. the clinics are always staffed by faculty. I think per resident, it's around 30-40 patients a day
 
How does this program differ from Kresge in Detroit? Any input would be great!
 
Solid program, perhaps one of the best residencies in that med school (now all under Rutgers... No more called UMDNJ). You will work hard but you do a lot. Unlike other NY programs where fellows take your cases, or have low surg numbers and a lot of part time faculty... the program at rutgers has good faculty supervision and you get to operate a lot and see a lot of patients...
 
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