Second Rejection, I died a little today

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Got rejected from Pritzker, University of Chicago today and I must admit I cried openly.

This is not like U of SD rejecting me from out of state. Pritzker sent me a secondary and has the same stats as most of the schools I applied to.

Of course I have no idea why they rejected me, but to still be waiting on 3 secondaries and already be rejected by 2 schools hurts especially when I know that Harvard, Hopkins and Mayo will almost certainly reject me.

Suddenly all my old fears of inadequacy are flooding back and my two saftey schools turn out to be land mines, (U of MN Duluth obsessed with rural primary care med, and Morehouse being primarily African America).

I can only hope that my strong stats pull me through somewhere, or else I am finished as a human being.

Relax. I got rejected post secondary from Chicago yet got interviews at Harvard, Hopkins and Mayo.
 
So, I will admit I didn't do any initial research on MSAR before applying.

I just applied to schools in and around my state of MN so that I could drive to interviews.

Looking at the OOS stats for matriculants at the schools I did apply to I feel better.

U of SD was a bonehead move as was U of HI, as both have less than 20% OOS. But the rest of the state schools are about a third, Chicago Med School, (Rosalind Franklin) is 54% and U of Oregon and VT are also very high. Med college of Wisconsin has 64% oos acceptance and only 6400 applicants, so anothe pop saftey school.

Rosalind Franklin turns out to be everyone's saftey because they recieve over 10k applicants.

The way I figure it I will have time for 8 interviews, and having applied to 17 schools and recieved 16 secondaries, that seems doable with my list and stats and applying so early(no invites yet).

Hopefully I get in somewhere and of course if I get into USUHS then every other school can go suck it, because I only ever wanted to go there anyway.

Lucky for me USUHS is a perfect storm for me. Low applicant number, high oos acceptance (96%), below average stats, 30 MCAT and 3.5 gpa, (my LizzyM is 3 std devs above their average matriculant, so if grades and MCAT where all that counted I would be the third strongest applicant and my odds of acceptance would be 98.2%) and matriculants are majority white males (not a bias on their part just a military thing, but it helps me to know that my odds won't be hurt by any consideration of affirmative action).

Of course don't everyone go applying there, they are a military school and anyone who gets in has to serve 10 years in the military. It is only for those who have their hearts set on a career in military medicine, which includes me.
 
You sure you're tough enough for that? If you broke down in tears after a second rejection you're likely to have a difficult time dealing with the demands of a military career.
 
The only reason I cried about Pritzker is because I assumed it was as competative as most of the school I had applied to.

Thus getting a secondary from them only to be quickly rejected would have meant that pretty much all my schools would have rejected me.

The idea that I spent 4 years studying my ass off, forsaking pretty much anything that didn't have to do with getting into med school, then 4 months of nothing but MCAT prep and taking of the MCAT, then all that time and money on the primary, then even more time and money on secondaries, all to get in nowhere and become a compelte failure, is intolerable and my greatest fear in life.

I have only 1 semester left of school, so my GPA can't go up. My practice AAMCs were pretty much averaging the 34 that I got on the real thing.

So there is nothing more I can do to improve my stats. In terms of ECs, I can only keep shadowing, volunteering at my hospital ER and try to get a job at ACR homes, which in this economy will be hard to do.

So my ECs are as good as they are going to get, same goes with LORs, PS and stats.

My application is at its peak right now. If I were to rejected at every school then my dreams of medicine die forever and the entire last 4 years of my life were for nothing. I would never have gotten the chance to prove myself in med school and that I could not stand.

That is why I cried, because it looked for a moment as if my worst fears where coming true.

Then I checked the school selector and found Pritzker to be the 4th hardest school to get into, with every other school other than mayo being mid tier or saftey.

As long as I get into any med school I will become a military doc because I have never failed at anything I truely set my mind too.
 
Okay, no worries, I think you'll get into a med school for sure. Just practice seeing a wider perspective before becoming upset. : )
 
My application is at its peak right now. If I were to rejected at every school then my dreams of medicine die forever and the entire last 4 years of my life were for nothing. I would never have gotten the chance to prove myself in med school and that I could not stand.

That is why I cried, because it looked for a moment as if my worst fears where coming true.

Then I checked the school selector and found Pritzker to be the 4th hardest school to get into, with every other school other than mayo being mid tier or saftey.

As long as I get into any med school I will become a military doc because I have never failed at anything I truely set my mind too.

Wow. Just wow. If you didn't get in to med school this year and you just quit trying, I'd have to think you were either a) not as committed to medicine as you claim or b) deluded into thinking one rejection = never going to med school. There are plenty of people who got in the 2nd, 3rd, 4th time around. Even if your application is the strongest now, an interviewer may find you don't have the maturity yet to handle med school. You don't exactly project mental fortitude.

Whatever floats your boat/keeps you trying your best is good I suppose.... but in my opinion saying that you've never failed at anything you truly set your mind to means that you will be completely unequipped for failure if/when it comes. It almost seems like you live in fear of your first failure; failure can be a useful tool for getting perspective. Just as success makes bad times seem not that bad, failure makes success seem that much better.

I mean, c'mon, your school list doesn't even include DO and Caribbean MD schools. If you gave up your dream after one try without even exploring all options, then that's just lunacy.
 
back in high school we had a term for this: f4g brag. you know, when someone who finishes a test comes out whining that they failed and then gets a 97%. SDN is full of them haha. the OP just f4g bragged. he surely will not get into any med. school with stats similar to the average ones at Uchicago.

I THINK, you'll be okay OP! you'll learn as the year goes on that you will be rejected by the majority of your schools post-secondary and won't care whatsoever.
 
You know I am tired of indulging my fears. I have succeeded beyond my wildest dreams by not indulging in those fears. That is the only way to survive pre-med.

You can't think, "I may not make it" because how else can you motivate yourself to study that much?

Did I have the same fears about MCAT? That I might average 34 on the practice AAMCs then bomb the real thing and not get in, sure because we all think like that before the MCAT.

But you know, "failure is not an option, so don't fail" has worked for me very well. It may be a cliche but I truely have never failed at anything imporant.

I am great at school and test taking. I have a genuine love of science and technology and an intuitive understanding of biological systems.

The idea that every school's adcoms will decide that now is the time to teach me a life lesson and make me fail at the most important thing I have ever attempted is not something I will even consider.

Not only would it be demonically evil, but also illogical. My stats are in the top 6% of national applicants. Turning down highly qualified candidates is not something medical schools can do, especially when we are facing a serious doctor shortage in the coming years.
 
You know I am tired of indulging my fears. I have succeeded beyond my wildest dreams by not indulging in those fears. That is the only way to survive pre-med.

You can't think, "I may not make it" because how else can you motivate yourself to study that much?

Did I have the same fears about MCAT? That I might average 34 on the practice AAMCs then bomb the real thing and not get in, sure because we all think like that before the MCAT.

But you know, "failure is not an option, so don't fail" has worked for me very well. It may be a cliche but I truely have never failed at anything imporant.

I am great at school and test taking. I have a genuine love of science and technology and an intuitive understanding of biological systems.

The idea that every school's adcoms will decide that now is the time to teach me a life lesson and make me fail at the most important thing I have ever attempted is not something I will even consider.

Not only would it be demonically evil, but also illogical. My stats are in the top 6% of national applicants. Turning down highly qualified candidates is not something medical schools can do, especially when we are facing a serious doctor shortage in the coming years.

f4g brag.
 
I really can't imagine you being in the military...My significant other is in the Marine Corps, which I know isn't one of the options for USUHS, but still. You need to be at least a little tough I think to enjoy/survive the military life.
 
Dude..dude...just...dude..

You need to settle down, chill out. Relax. I'm honestly scared that one day you might be MY doctor. Someone who fears failure this much has no business being a doctor. Someone who cries because of rejection has no business being in the military.

I plan on becoming an Army Doctor as I grew up in a military household...and I'll tell you this: you have no business being in the military if you're going to be such a wimp about it. Be a man, grow a pair, and quit crying.
 
So Mr. xmsr3, why should we offer you a spot at XYZ medical college?

Not only would it be demonically evil, but also illogical. My stats are in the top 6% of national applicants. Turning down highly qualified candidates is not something medical schools can do, especially when we are facing a serious doctor shortage in the coming years.

Please use that answer in your interviews.
 
The idea that every school's adcoms will decide that now is the time to teach me a life lesson and make me fail at the most important thing I have ever attempted is not something I will even consider.

Not only would it be demonically evil, but also illogical. My stats are in the top 6% of national applicants. Turning down highly qualified candidates is not something medical schools can do, especially when we are facing a serious doctor shortage in the coming years.
Whenever I read your posts, I think of 2 possibilities regarding your identity:

1. You are a troll who has WAY too much time on his hands. Your posts have so far been quite consistent, to say the least, but I have seen worse cases... Maybe because it's summer time? Maybe you are premed who got done with secondaries and has nothing much to do but wait? Anyway, I am still inclined to believe this than option 2.

2. You are a premed who genuinely believes what you have written so far. If so, guess what? You better take a good look at yourself and ask yourself if you got what it takes to be a physician, and a military physician at that. I will tell you right now that if you manage to become a physician in your current state, the troops would be loath to be treated by someone like you.

You better toughen yourself mentally really fast for any possible interview invites. Why? Because I showed some of your posts to my fellow officers (docs/nurses/PA/etc) and enlisted guys, and the response was roughly:

60% "my respect for the US Navy will go down a notch if this wimp becomes a military physician. We are not THAT desperate for doctors."
30% "it must be a troll since nobody can be THAT pathetic"
10% "if I am on a surface ship with this guy, I will push him overboard and call it a day"

And whether you are a troll or not, attention whoring due to boredom or insecurity is really, really sad.
 
you can be in the top 6% of applicants and still get rejected everywhere after your interviews, especially if you are as weird in real life as you are on the internet.
 
Turning down highly qualified candidates is not
something medical schools can do, especially when we are facing a serious doctor shortage in the coming years.

bold statement. don't know if i agree.
 
I agree with it. It's just a matter of defining what "highly qualified" means. Because "highly qualified" =/= good numbers. There's so much more to it.

I think there is one question that needs to be answered before I can agree or disagree with this statement. The greatest shortage of physicians is in family practice. Are top applicants more or less likely to fill these vacancies?
 
I agree with it. It's just a matter of defining what "highly qualified" means. Because "highly qualified" =/= good numbers. There's so much more to it.

highly qualified never equals a successful anything. any way you define it, there is always so much more. thats why interviews matter so much for residency/fellowship matches.
 
I think there is one question that needs to be answered before I can agree or disagree with this statement. The greatest shortage of physicians is in family practice. Are top applicants more or less likely to fill these vacancies?

Oh, I wasn't really commenting on the physician shortage part of the statement. Just the "Turning down highly qualified candidates is not
something medical schools can do" part. But even with that other part, med schools aren't going to turn away what they classify as highly qualified applicants for someone more likely to be a GP. The GP shortage is a problem with the number of residency spots, not the med schools. Whether or not a top applicant is accepted into a med school isn't going to affect the number of non-GP residency spots there are.

highly qualified never equals a successful anything. any way you define it, there is always so much more. thats why interviews matter so much for residency/fellowship matches.

Exactly my point. I think if a med school finds what they see to be a highly qualified applicant, they aren't gonna reject them. The OP's definition of highly qualified is flawed here, not the thought that med schools shouldn't reject them.
 
Whenever I read your posts, I think of 2 possibilities regarding your identity:

1. You are a troll who has WAY too much time on his hands. Your posts have so far been quite consistent, to say the least, but I have seen worse cases... Maybe because it's summer time? Maybe you are premed who got done with secondaries and has nothing much to do but wait? Anyway, I am still inclined to believe this than option 2.

2. You are a premed who genuinely believes what you have written so far. If so, guess what? You better take a good look at yourself and ask yourself if you got what it takes to be a physician, and a military physician at that. I will tell you right now that if you manage to become a physician in your current state, the troops would be loath to be treated by someone like you.

You better toughen yourself mentally really fast for any possible interview invites. Why? Because I showed some of your posts to my fellow officers (docs/nurses/PA/etc) and enlisted guys, and the response was roughly:

60% "my respect for the US Navy will go down a notch if this wimp becomes a military physician. We are not THAT desperate for doctors."
30% "it must be a troll since nobody can be THAT pathetic"
10% "if I am on a surface ship with this guy, I will push him overboard and call it a day"

And whether you are a troll or not, attention whoring due to boredom or insecurity is really, really sad.

Sadly, it's definitely number 2. Signed up a year ago and just now started trolling? Sure.

This guy literally scares me. But I'm not overly worried because I know if he comes off in person anything like he does on here, he doesn't stand a chance. Yeah, that's harsh, but it's the truth.

I know plenty of pre-med freaks in real life and on here. But this guy takes the cake.
 
All right, I'm locking this thread.



Crap...I forgot I'm not a moderator. How much do admin rights cost?
 
The idea that every school's adcoms will decide that now is the time to teach me a life lesson and make me fail at the most important thing I have ever attempted is not something I will even consider.

Not only would it be demonically evil, but also illogical. My stats are in the top 6% of national applicants. Turning down highly qualified candidates is not something medical schools can do, especially when we are facing a serious doctor shortage in the coming years.

Didn't you hear? The admissions committees of all the schools you applied to, Dr. Evil, and Bowser all got together to pick one applicant to "teach a life lesson". 🙄
 
Really? Dr. Evil and Bowser🙂 Well I guess I can't fight that and will be heading down to the local army recruiter tomorrow. I figure two years in the sandbox as an infanty grunt will give me the time I need for them to forget about me when I apply again in 2 years, or if not, then I can at least kill em with the training I get in the army😉
 
Really? Dr. Evil and Bowser🙂 Well I guess I can't fight that and will be heading down to the local army recruiter tomorrow. I figure two years in the sandbox as an infanty grunt will give me the time I need for them to forget about me when I apply again in 2 years, or if not, then I can at least kill em with the training I get in the army😉


....alright then.
 
While the OP rubs me the wrong way too, I think some of you are being pretty harsh. The OP has been nothing but polite in his posts and has directed any negative comments toward himself rather than the rest of you.
 
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Now I'm thinking about adding Pritzker to my list. You gotta love a school that has a blowhard filter.
 
Elmo? Want to start our own medical school? It can be based around blackjack and hookers with a dash of medicine. Instead of IVs, we can have bags of scotch.

in fact... forget the blackjack.... and the medicine....




(futurama rocks)
 
Oh, I wasn't really commenting on the physician shortage part of the statement. Just the "Turning down highly qualified candidates is not something medical schools can do" part. But even with that other part, med schools aren't going to turn away what they classify as highly qualified applicants for someone more likely to be a GP. The GP shortage is a problem with the number of residency spots, not the med schools. Whether or not a top applicant is accepted into a med school isn't going to affect the number of non-GP residency spots there are.

hmm? do you mean the number of med students going into GP residency? the # of actual residency spots for GP is not an issue. the GP shortage is because ppl want more money after all that training and don't want to settle with general practice making $150k when they can easily make 2-3x that through a specialty.

I know you have to know this, though, ksmi...I think? so, what did you mean exactly by that line? haha
 
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hmm? do you mean the number of med students going into GP residency? the # of actual residency spots for GP is not an issue. the GP shortage is because ppl want more money after all that training and don't want to settle with general practice making $150k when they can easily make 2-3x that through a specialty.

I know you have to know this, though, ksmi...I think? so, what did you mean exactly by that line? haha

I meant the abundance of specialty spots. If there are a certain number of non-GP spots, they'll get filled up regardless of what the soon-to-be residents' stats were when they were applying to med school.
 
I think the original poster deserves a break. The medical school application process is very stressful and especially tough for those who have not done enough research about it. Everybody deserves the chance to freak out once in a while.

To the OP, you'll be ok if you apply to some more school now. It's still early and it will make you feel better. Take care.
 
If the OP's PS and U of Chicago secondary response came across as arrogant as this thread did, then I think it's clear why he was rejected.
 
I think the original poster deserves a break. The medical school application process is very stressful and especially tough for those who have not done enough research about it. Everybody deserves the chance to freak out once in a while.

To the OP, you'll be ok if you apply to some more school now. It's still early and it will make you feel better. Take care.


Perhaps, but dealing with stress in a productive manner is part of the career. What is going to happen to the OP when he loses his first patient but he has another, completely different patient lined up in 10 minutes? This will look like a joke in comparison to a situation like that.

Indeed this a stressful time for everyone, but it's unproductive to simply log onto these forums and start spouting frustration/spewing stats/explaining why you should be guaranteed a spot...OP should simply accept that the rejection is outside of his control at this point and focus on something that is in his control (i.e. focusing on other secondaries etc.).

It's not out of the ordinary to get rejections from schools that are seemingly "less selective" only to get an acceptances from schools that are "more selective"...but if you break down upon receiving the first rejection and fail to complete any remaining secondaries to the best of your ability then you're almost guaranteed rejection at the other highly selective schools.

So in short, move on to something within your control.
 
the intensity of this thread is off the charts.

i don't understand when people say the last 4 yrs of their life will have been for naught if they don't go to med school...didn't you learn anything? it's not like being an md or do is the ONLY THING YOU COULD EVER DO with that knowledge.

1) obviously you would want to apply a 2nd (3rd, 4th) cycle if you didnt get in this time (which you most likely will)

2) if you don't...life goes on. a new day shines new solutions on old problems. sit back and let the highway take you as you drive along your route to happiness on destination life.



just don't cry in your interview unless something oprah-worthy happens.
 
2) if you don't...life goes on. a new day shines new solutions on old problems. sit back and let the highway take you as you drive along your route to happiness on destination life.

You're right. This thread is too melodramatic. 😉
 
2) if you don't...life goes on. a new day shines new solutions on old problems. sit back and let the highway take you as you drive along your route to happiness on destination life.


🙂😀:laugh::claps:🤣
 
While the OP is clearly over-the-top, I will say this... the medical school admissions process does not in any way promote mental health and well-being, in fact I'd say it does a fair amount of damage to those willing to throw themselves completely into it.

To be fair, it allows pre-medical students to do a considerable amount of damage to themselves mentally and emotionally. I don't think that can be disputed.
 
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I'm all in favor of bashing OP if only because he's going through life with entitlement blinders on - and that's just annoying.

The way your posts read "failure" is a label you are afraid of - do you actually think you can control everything, always? If you can't see failure in yourself then I guess it's always someone or something else at fault right? Sounds like you're a fun guy to be around when things don't go well (which is likely to happen in medicine - but that would be the patient's fault right?).

Anyway, you're certainly not ready to practice medicine, and in the unlikely event you do get in somewhere, please stay away from the rest of us failures.

Imer, I must protest. "Can't see failure in myself?" Most of my posts have been me apologising for being inconsiderate towards others. I openly admitted that I have acted like a neurotic ******* at times and have tried to cut the tension I unfortunately created with some self depricating humor. I know I am a flawed individual and I am trying to change, which is why my posts are always very polite and cordial.

And about me "staying away from us failures" that is just a lie.

I have never called anyone on this thread, or these forums a failure, you make me out to be some monster, out to destory and tear down others when that is entirely not the case, (unlike some people on this forum who enjoy bashing just a little too much).

And as for me not being ready for medicine, what are you basing that on?

One moment of panick, of a loss of self confidence that lasted but a moment and that we all experienced at some point in our lives? I was simply foolish enough to post it on SDN.

Without knowing who I was, or what kind of challenges I had faced, you proclaimed me an arrogant, entitled buffoon, completely unfit to serve in the medical professon.

Well, you know what, Lisa Anderson, my Physiology professor who wrote one of my LORs and who knew me very well all semester, sat down with me for an hour to discuss my motivation for medicine. When we had finished she told me, "I have no doubt that you should go to med school."

And my professor Harland Smith, who helped to impart the values that define me today, when I spoke with him about wanting him to write me a LOR, he told me that every professor dreams of reaching a young person like he had reached me.

With tears in his eyes he told me that he would be honored to help launch the medical career of someone so dedicated to helping others and creating a better world for all who inhabit it.

The techs and nurses in my ER have told me that I am the most dedicated and compassionate volunteer they have ever had.

The doctors I have shadowed where impressed that I was already able to offer differential diagnoses that turned out be correct.

The people who know me the best, and the medical professionals with whom I have spent hundreds of hours in the ER know I am a strong and dedicated person who wants nothing more than to enter military medicine and prove myself worthy of healing the brave men and women who serve our nation and defend our way of life.

For me, medicine truely is a way of life, one in which I use the fascinating information I have learned to help as many people I can and make the world just a little bit better.

I have apologized for spouting off my stats too many times and explained that I was just expressing frustration at the subjective components of the application system in which our fate is decided by some faceless, nameless adcom who is basing their decision on god knows what.

For you to impune my character as you did, while lieing about me calling others "failures" when I have only ever criticised myself on this thread, is uncalled for.

I will make a good doctor, because I have the dedication and the attention to detail to excel where it counts and I have proven myself to the people whose respect I have earned and who really matter.

As someone who makes blancket statements about others you don't know and who proclaims stark lies about what others have said, you sir, are not one of those people.

To all those who have been kind enough to understand my frustration and not partake in the hogpiling on of criticism, that, though initially well deserved, has devolved into a blatent hate fest, I thank you sincerely.

It is that kind of understanding and compassion that will seve you well in your years ahead in medicine and it is the kind of compassion that I will always try to emulate when dealing with my own patients.

Thank you again for your patience and understanding and best of luck with making your medical school dreams come true.

Please have a wonderful week, a terrific summer and may you and yours know only health, joy and prosperity in the days to come.

Sincerely,
xmsr3
 
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Imer, I must protest. "Can't see failure in myself?" Most of my posts have been me apologising for being inconsiderate towards others. I openly admitted that I have acted like a neurotic ******* at times and have tried to cut the tension I unfortunately created with some self depricating humor. I know I am a flawed individual and I am trying to change, which is why my posts are always very polite and cordial.

And about me "staying away from us failures" that is just a lie.

I have never called anyone on this thread, or these forums a failure, you make me out to be some monster, out to destory and tear down others when that is entirely not the case, (unlike some people on this forum who enjoy bashing just a little too much).

And as for me not being ready for medicine, what are you basing that on?

One moment of panick, of a loss of self confidence that lasted but a moment and that we all experienced at some point in our lives? I was simply foolish enough to post it on SDN.

Without knowing who I was, or what kind of challenges I had faced, you proclaimed me an arrogant, entitled buffoon, completely unfit to serve in the medical professon.

Well, you know what, Lisa Anderson, my Physiology professor who wrote one of my LORs and who knew me very well all semester, sat down with me for an hour to discuss my motivation for medicine. When we had finished she told me, "I have no doubt that you should go to med school."

And my professor Harland Smith, who helped to impart the values that define me today, when I spoke with him about wanting him to write me a LOR, he told me that every professor dreams of reaching a young person like he had reached me.

With tears in his eyes he told me that he would be honored to help launch the medical career of someone so dedicated to helping others and creating a better world for all who inhabit it.

The techs and nurses in my ER have told me that I am the most dedicated and compassionate volunteer they have ever had.

The doctors I have shadowed where impressed that I was already able to offer differential diagnoses that turned out be correct.

The people who know me the best, and the medical professionals with whom I have spent hundreds of hours in the ER know I am a strong and dedicated person who wants nothing more than to enter military medicine and prove myself worthy of healing the brave men and women who serve our nation and defend our way of life.

For me, medicine truely is a way of life, one in which I use the fascinating information I have learned to help as many people I can and make the world just a little bit better.

I have apologized for spouting off my stats too many times and explained that I was just expressing frustration at the subjective components of the application system in which our fate is decided by some faceless, nameless adcom who is basing their decision on god knows what.

For you to impune my character as you did, while lieing about me calling others "failures" when I have only ever criticised myself on this thread, is uncalled for.

I will make a good doctor, because I have the dedication and the attention to detail to excel where it counts and I have proven myself to the people whose respect I have earned and who really matter.

As someone who makes blancket statements about others you don't know and who proclaims stark lies about what others have said, you sir, are not one of those people.

To all those who have been kind enough to understand my frustration and not partake in the hogpiling on of criticism, that, though initially well deserved, has devolved into a blatent hate fest, I thank you sincerely.

It is that kind of understanding and compassion that will seve you well in your years ahead in medicine and it is the kind of compassion that I will always try to emulate when dealing with my own patients.

Thank you again for your patience and understanding and best of luck with making your medical school dreams come true.

Please have a wonderful week, a terrific summer and may you and yours know only health, joy and prosperity in the days to come.

Sincerely,
xmsr3

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