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LizzyM said:
I agree that you can prepare the AMCAS for Summer 09 but unless you were a total tool at the interviews, you may be plucked from the waitlist on or before June 15. Give it time.
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so is June 15 the last day for possiblity of waitlist movement?
 
Handy388 said:
so is June 15 the last day for possiblity of waitlist movement?
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Not at all. Schools take people off their waitlists all the time. The period with the most movement, however is before 6/15. After 6/15, the spots being "released" are probably people jumping ship to go to other schools who've just accepted them.
 
LizzyM said:
I agree that you can prepare the AMCAS for Summer 09 but unless you were a total tool at the interviews, you may be plucked from the waitlist on or before June 15. Give it time.
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if he was a total tool wouldn't he already have been rejected by those schools? onlyneedone, seriously considering practising for your interviews. you can do it! you only need one!
 
yea man...if the average acceptance rate at the schools to which you applied is 4 to 7%, then regardless of stats the odds are against you. its so easy to get obessesed with yourself because of a good gpa/high mcat. but lets face it, a lot of ppl have good gpas and high mcats too. AND they have amazing experiences and ppl skills to boot. apply more broadly. i have pretty good num too but still applied to schools like jeff, howard, and umiami where my num were considerably above the averages, because, as you have come to find out, this process can be a crap shoot. i am sure you are not the only person with a great mcat and gpa who might have to reapply bcuz of poor school selection. but like every1 else said, CHILL OUT. its not over and i bet you will get off a WL.
 
Most of the waitlist movement is over by June 15 and IMHO that's the date by which you should be submitting the next year's AMCAS.

Some schools will waitlist rather than decline someone who was somewhat undesirable but without fatal flaws. Know what they say about everyone looking better at closing time?? Gets to be like that on May 16 if you have a lot of seats to fill.
 
LizzyM said:
Most of the waitlist movement is over by June 15 and IMHO that's the date by which you should be submitting the next year's AMCAS.

Some schools will waitlist rather than decline someone who was somewhat undesirable but without fatal flaws. Know what they say about everyone looking better at closing time?? Gets to be like that on May 16 if you have a lot of seats to fill.
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:laugh:
 
Maybe you don't come off well at interviews. Just my opinion.
 
OnlyNeedOneYes said:
People seem convinced it's my interview skills, but if I really had to guess I'd say it's probably not enough shadowing (although it was quality) and leadership experience.
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LizzyM said:
So, getting 5 interviews suggests to me that it isn't the LORs but something beyond the paper record that is the stumbling block.
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OnlyNeedOneYes, you keep trying to insist that it is something other than YOU. As LizzyM said, you obviously look great on paper or else you wouldn't have gotten so many interviews but obviously. Why would they waste their time interviewing someone just so after you interview they can waitlist/reject you because you don't have enough shadowing experience or a bad LOR? They clearly could've looked at those things before they invited you for an interview and they could've not wasted their time interviewing you.

it is OBVIOUSLY your interviewing skills or personality. maybe you don't do a good job of convining your interviewers that you actually do want to be a doctor and didn't just apply because you got a 39 on the MCAT. maybe you are extremely cocky and have a sense of entitlement at the interviews. maybe they find out that your clinical experiences are not meaningful. whatever it is you seem to do it consistently and have not made any effort to improve on it (obviously since you are determined to blame anyone but yourself)

however i do think you'll get in this cycle. no mater how much of a sociopath or d-bag you may be. one of those five schools will eventually admit you just so they can add your superb numbers to their stats.
 
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Have faith buddy! You will get in somewhere! You are waitlisted for some great schools right now. With your stats, I'm sure that you will get in somewhere this year. Hope is not lost yet!🙂
 
Alright, d-bag is going a bit far.

Most people seem to come from the "too aggressive" angle, so let's look at the other side. Do you feel that you assert yourself adequately in these interviews? Is everything you want to say being said? How enthusiastic are you about yourself and the school in your pitch to these interviewers?

This is entirely anecdotal, but at the one school where I finally pulled out all the stops and got into sell-sell-sell mode, I got an acceptance.

In summary, how effective is your presentation?👍



(P.S. It seems like this is the year of the waitlist. What gives?)
 
LizzyM said:
Most of the waitlist movement is over by June 15 and IMHO that's the date by which you should be submitting the next year's AMCAS.

Some schools will waitlist rather than decline someone who was somewhat undesirable but without fatal flaws. Know what they say about everyone looking better at closing time?? Gets to be like that on May 16 if you have a lot of seats to fill.
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aww Lizzy you crack me up. 🙂
 
Myuuchan said:
Most people seem to come from the "too aggressive" angle, so let's look at the other side. Do you feel that you assert yourself adequately in these interviews? Is everything you want to say being said? How enthusiastic are you about yourself and the school in your pitch to these interviewers?
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agreed...i did go to one extreme but you're right...it could be a lack of enthusiasm, you might be doing a bad job of convincing your interviewers that you want to go to that particular school. you might also just be giving terrible answers to their questions.

I've had two waitlists and two acceptances so far and the difference has absolutely been the interview...at the two at which i was waitlisted some of my answers sucked, i couldn't convince the interviewers that i wanted to go there and i didn't really hit it off too well with at least one of the interviewers at each of the schools.
 
Myuuchan said:
(P.S. It seems like this is the year of the waitlist. What gives?)
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Let's look back to a couple of years ago. A friend of mine had 8 interview invites, attended 7 interviews and got 7 offers of admission. Let's say that the average spent for each interview trip was $500. So, that applicant spent $3500 on interviews and ended up declining 6 offers.

This year, with money tight and travel more expensive (or it was in the fall when fuel prices were so high), a comparable applicant might have received that first interview offer in October and dropped all further interviews, ending up with 2 interviews, 2 offers, $1,000 spent on interview expenses and 1 offer declined.

Now let's say I'm at a school that ordinarily makes 3 offers for every available seat knowing that more than half of the people with offers will not come here. With many great applicants having fewer offers on the table, some of the people who would have turned me down 2 years ago, won't turn me down this year when they have only 2 schools to choose from rather than 5. If I give out the same number of offers, I'm going to end up with too many students! So, if I'm deciding how any offers to make, I"m going to be conservative with the number of offers and be more likely to place people on the waitlist than in years past.

I think that may be happening but I have no hard information on which to base this scenario.
 
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LizzyM said:
Let's look back to a couple of years ago. A friend of mine had 8 interview invites, attended 7 interviews and got 7 offers of admission. Let's say that the average spent for each interview trip was $500. So, that applicant spent $3500 on interviews and ended up declining 5 offers.

This year, with money tight and travel more expensive (or it was in the fall when fuel prices were so high), a comparable applicant might have received that first interview offer in October and dropped all further interviews, ending up with 2 interviews, 2 offers, $1,000 spent on interview expenses and 1 offer declined.

Now let's say I'm at a school that ordinarily makes 3 offers for every available seat knowing that more than half of the people with offers will not come here. With many great applicants having fewer offers on the table, some of the people who would have turned me down 2 years ago, won't turn me down this year when they have only 2 schools to choose from rather than 5. If I give out the same number of offers, I'm going to end up with too many students! So, if I'm deciding how any offers to make, I"m going to be conservative with the number of offers and be more likely to place people on the waitlist than in years past.

I think that may be happening but I have no hard information on which to base this scenario.
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Thats really interesting. I never thought about that. Do you think that instead of 2.5-3 times class size being accepted, it is closer to 1.5-2? This could mean that there would be a considerable decrease in waitlist movement, as more people will have just the one acceptance. In that case, why are schools waitlisting and not rejecting outright? They must know that putting someone at the bottom of the waitlist is pretty much a zero percent chance of getting in. Or do you think that the size of the waitlists are decreasing as well, and more rejections are going out as well as fewer acceptances? I would think that the reasons you gave might lead schools to reject more applicants that they feel will not be coming to their school in any case.
 
cubssox2000 said:
Thats really interesting. I never thought about that. Do you think that instead of 2.5-3 times class size being accepted, it is closer to 1.5-2? This could mean that there would be a considerable decrease in waitlist movement, as more people will have just the one acceptance. In that case, why are schools waitlisting and not rejecting outright? They must know that putting someone at the bottom of the waitlist is pretty much a zero percent chance of getting in. Or do you think that the size of the waitlists are decreasing as well, and more rejections are going out as well as fewer acceptances? I would think that the reasons you gave might lead schools to reject more applicants that they feel will not be coming to their school in any case.
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See my earlier comment about closing time. If a school has been too picky in choosing possible students and ends up in May with empty seats, there is going to be a rush to the waitlist. If many people have an offer that they are happy with, they may take themselves off the waitlist. So, the applicant who looked like a dog on October 15 might be quite the fox on May 15.

Declining someone who is "acceptable" is like walking into a singles bar and right away telling someone that you'd never go home with them because you don't like the color of their sweater.
 
LizzyM said:
See my earlier comment about closing time. If a school has been too picky in choosing possible students and ends up in May with empty seats, there is going to be a rush to the waitlist. If many people have an offer that they are happy with, they may take themselves off the waitlist. So, the applicant who looked like a dog on October 15 might be quite the fox on May 15.

Declining someone who is "acceptable" is like walking into a singles bar and right away telling someone that you'd never go home with them because you don't like the color of their sweater.
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Just wanted to say I think you are KILLING IT with the analogies today, LizzyM :laugh:
 
This thread has snowballed into a tangential discussion that does not suit my needs, which is entirely cool. Some people responded to my original question and/or wished me luck; thanks for that 🙂 Some people were negative and insulting. I'll take the good with the bad-- such is life. I probably won't be responding in this thread because the focus has shifted, so please don't be offended if/when I don't respond to your comments and/or criticisms.

Take it easy,

OnlyN.
 
LizzyM said:
See my earlier comment about closing time. If a school has been too picky in choosing possible students and ends up in May with empty seats, there is going to be a rush to the waitlist. If many people have an offer that they are happy with, they may take themselves off the waitlist. So, the applicant who looked like a dog on October 15 might be quite the fox on May 15.

Declining someone who is "acceptable" is like walking into a singles bar and right away telling someone that you'd never go home with them because you don't like the color of their sweater.
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Thanks lizzy. You crack me up :laugh::laugh:
 
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pianola said:
Actually, UMiami heavily favors in-staters. I think something like 75% of the class is from Florida. This is not to discourage you from applying to Miami, though.

In your shoes, I'd probably apply to both UMiami and USF. I think you'd have a great shot at both. (The rest of the Florida schools are good, too, but I don't think you're going to see quite as much love from them).

Wake Forest is a good idea, too. But bear in mind you'll need to call them periodically to see if you're eligible for an interview.
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Yeah but I think UMiami is a good shot for him because they end up sending out a lot of acceptances. He'll probably get an interview there for sure (after doing their annoying secondary) and so long as he doesn't blow the interview he stands a very good chance of getting in. I think they accept a lot of IS because that is their major applicant pool. They said they like to have OOS people as well and don't discriminate but must accept IS since I think they get some state funding.
 
gujuDoc said:
I found a PDF in my dad's stuff of 65 toughest job interview questions of which the first 5 also apply to medical school interviews as well as some of the others. If anyone wants it, it tells what the dos and don'ts are in answering tough questions like

Tell me about yourself, why do you want this job or in this case medical school, why you over some other applicant, strengths and weaknesses related questions, etc. Let me know and I'll attach it in a post on here.
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Could you post that PDF? Thanks!
 
I wasn't planning on posting anymore, but will you please post/link that pdf, gujuDoc? Thanks!
 
LizzyM said:
Let's look back to a couple of years ago. A friend of mine had 8 interview invites, attended 7 interviews and got 7 offers of admission. Let's say that the average spent for each interview trip was $500. So, that applicant spent $3500 on interviews and ended up declining 6 offers.

This year, with money tight and travel more expensive (or it was in the fall when fuel prices were so high), a comparable applicant might have received that first interview offer in October and dropped all further interviews, ending up with 2 interviews, 2 offers, $1,000 spent on interview expenses and 1 offer declined.

Now let's say I'm at a school that ordinarily makes 3 offers for every available seat knowing that more than half of the people with offers will not come here. With many great applicants having fewer offers on the table, some of the people who would have turned me down 2 years ago, won't turn me down this year when they have only 2 schools to choose from rather than 5. If I give out the same number of offers, I'm going to end up with too many students! So, if I'm deciding how any offers to make, I"m going to be conservative with the number of offers and be more likely to place people on the waitlist than in years past.
I think that may be happening but I have no hard information on which to base this scenario.
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Makes sense to me.

Has your school seen any kind of increase in the number of applicants canceling interviews later in the cycle? This kind of trend would support your theory/scenario.

Also - with the economy crash, did your school make any kind of adjustments in offers vs waitlists, in anticipation of the scenario you are theorizing?
 
OnlyNeedOneYes said:
This thread has snowballed into a tangential discussion that does not suit my needs, which is entirely cool. Some people responded to my original question and/or wished me luck; thanks for that 🙂 Some people were negative and insulting. I'll take the good with the bad-- such is life. I probably won't be responding in this thread because the focus has shifted, so please don't be offended if/when I don't respond to your comments and/or criticisms.

Take it easy,

OnlyN.
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Dude... I think you will definitely get in somewhere with your stats... but I just get a feeling of egocentricism from you and your posts. Perhaps this comes across in the interviews and may be the reason for the waitlists? I realize you may have been looking for more constructive posts in the thread... but to feel the need to let us know that you will no longer be posting because the thread has run off course is ridiculous. If you make it out to be all about you (even if you are the OP) then I wonder if that's how you come across in interviews as well. Chill out, take the good advice with the bad, and trust that the 4 years of hard work you've put in will land you an acceptance somewhere.
 
TolerANT! And agreed to some extent. Although some people were not doing constructive criticism. They went straight to criticism/attack. So yeah.
 
Did you get any indication from interviewers that its an LOR issue? While they won't tell you what's on the LOR, they might drop a couple hints. A doctor I worked with who applied almsot two decades ago was valedictorian with 4.0 from one of the top UCs, 38S. He also applied mostly to top 20 schools, got plenty of interviews but no acceptances. He asked the school he really wanted to go to what he could do to improve his application after he was waitlisted and got hints that at least one of his LORs from his professors was critical on why he wanted to be a doctor. (He wound up going to Yale anyways by calling in a chip from a major donator/trustee to that school.)

Then again maybe everyone's right and its attitude. He was alot more humble than you so it might be an attitude problem. Notice he actually asked what he could do to improve his application, not why schools weren't giving him a fair chance.

But I doubt you act like this outside anonymous boards and you're probably disappointed all your hardwork doesn't seem to have paid off so far, totally understandable. I'd be a bit upset too if I were you.

Anyways, try asking rather than assuming. They can't tell you straight out what's in letters but if interviewers can spontaneously mention an applicant has good LORs, they should also be able to also mention the LORs weren't good if you ask them how your application could be improved and you might find out something else in case you really do need to apply again.
 
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thanks for the pdf, ill be sure to get some tips in here when the time is right!
 
hrfan said:
How do you improve your interview skills???
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Is your self esteem riding heavily on this process? If you're like most premeds (myself included) the answer is probably "yes" to some extent or another. If this comes out in the interview, you might be perceived as desperate. Or you might try to overcompensate by being outwardly overconfident. With the schools that you've chosen, either one of these mistakes can torpedo your interview effort.

If either of these things is a problem, maybe some time outside of the predmedical bubble is in order for the off-year if you don't get in. I don't know what your employment situation is, but getting a job or doing some traveling that is not directly related to medical school might help you take a step back and gain some perspective on the process. You may learn some things that give you a more mature perspective on medicine and life in general. If you can successfully do this, you'll be able to bring more maturity and perspective to the medical school interview. You'll also come off as more balanced and relaxed.

We premeds tend to get very personally invested in this process. Sometimes a little time away from the medical school race can be very beneficial. It's not like your stats are going anywhere.
 
LizzyM said:
Let's look back to a couple of years ago. A friend of mine had 8 interview invites, attended 7 interviews and got 7 offers of admission. Let's say that the average spent for each interview trip was $500. So, that applicant spent $3500 on interviews and ended up declining 6 offers.

This year, with money tight and travel more expensive (or it was in the fall when fuel prices were so high), a comparable applicant might have received that first interview offer in October and dropped all further interviews, ending up with 2 interviews, 2 offers, $1,000 spent on interview expenses and 1 offer declined.

Now let's say I'm at a school that ordinarily makes 3 offers for every available seat knowing that more than half of the people with offers will not come here. With many great applicants having fewer offers on the table, some of the people who would have turned me down 2 years ago, won't turn me down this year when they have only 2 schools to choose from rather than 5. If I give out the same number of offers, I'm going to end up with too many students! So, if I'm deciding how any offers to make, I"m going to be conservative with the number of offers and be more likely to place people on the waitlist than in years past.

I think that may be happening but I have no hard information on which to base this scenario.
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Your wisdom is unmatched. You are like the wise and ancient Great Deku Tree in the Legend of Zelda:

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and I bet next cycle will be even worse with the waitlists.
 
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OnlyNeedOneYes, I looked at your profile and saw that you interviewed at my school. It is WAY too early to be giving up hope that you won't be accepted. Only 13 people have gotten acceptances so far. The next group of acceptees will be announced soon, probably next week. More will be accepted at the end of February or beginning of March. I don't think you should be giving up in January when so few people have gotten an acceptance yet!

If you do end up having to reapply, you should apply to all of the OH schools. I see you don't have Wright State and MCO on your list, and it's always a good idea to apply to all of your state schools where you have the in-state advantage. Good luck!
 
If the OP is still checking this thread - I think the thing to do right now is not to focus on what to do next year but how to get off of these waitlists. What are you doing right now? Is there anything you can update these schools with? New grades, new activities? Send them letters, let them know how interested you are. Doesn't have to be a letter of intent, but come up with some good experiences from your interview day, some things about each school that you really liked and why you think you'd be a good match for the school and write to the dean of admissions telling them that. Do this for EVERY SCHOOL that you're on the waitlist for. Send them in around April, about a month before the waitlists start moving.

Also, if you are on "hold" at any of these schools instead of the waitlist (Case Western used to put people on hold and take them off throughout the year, and then put the remaining people on the waitlist) then send them that letter ASAP.
 
JeepMD said:
Dude... I think you will definitely get in somewhere with your stats... but I just get a feeling of egocentricism from you and your posts. Perhaps this comes across in the interviews and may be the reason for the waitlists? I realize you may have been looking for more constructive posts in the thread... but to feel the need to let us know that you will no longer be posting because the thread has run off course is ridiculous. If you make it out to be all about you (even if you are the OP) then I wonder if that's how you come across in interviews as well. Chill out, take the good advice with the bad, and trust that the 4 years of hard work you've put in will land you an acceptance somewhere.
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All I was saying is for people to not be offended if I didn't respond to their comments.
 
Egocentric isn't quite the right word.

I can't put my finger on it, but there is something kind of...strange about the OP's posts.

I think a lot of people in his shoes would probably have added several self-deprecating comments in the original post, if for no other reason than to ward off the people who are simply going to say "Oh, he's got good numbers AND he's displaying them in public so therefore he MUST be arrogant and a tool and probably heartless and ur gunna be an awful doctor, lulz".

Maybe the OP's just not great at forseeing how people will respond to his words/posts? This can be a problem in an interview setting because nervousness will usually only exacerbate the problem.

That said, I don't really think that egocentric is the right word. I really honestly think the OP is simply trying very hard to figure out what is going on with his application. He isn't dismissive or rude to other posters.

Just my $0.02.
 
cclcmer said:
onlyneedoneyes, i looked at your profile and saw that you interviewed at my school. It is way too early to be giving up hope that you won't be accepted. Only 13 people have gotten acceptances so far. The next group of acceptees will be announced soon, probably next week. More will be accepted at the end of february or beginning of march. I don't think you should be giving up in january when so few people have gotten an acceptance yet!

If you do end up having to reapply, you should apply to all of the oh schools. I see you don't have wright state and mco on your list, and it's always a good idea to apply to all of your state schools where you have the in-state advantage. Good luck!
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+1
 
LizzyM said:
See my earlier comment about closing time. If a school has been too picky in choosing possible students and ends up in May with empty seats, there is going to be a rush to the waitlist. If many people have an offer that they are happy with, they may take themselves off the waitlist. So, the applicant who looked like a dog on October 15 might be quite the fox on May 15.

Declining someone who is "acceptable" is like walking into a singles bar and right away telling someone that you'd never go home with them because you don't like the color of their sweater.
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LizzyM you are so cool! you should write a book because I would read it.
 
Can you upload some sort of audio of you interviewing (with questions that you have not heard before asked by an advisor/professor/fellow pre-med)

I think that would allow us to know for sure that it is your interviewing(which I am 98.2658239% sure of because you have had FIVE interviews!!!). We would then be able to give you advice on how to interview better.
 
skinMD said:
no mater how much of a sociopath or d-bag you may be. one of those five schools will eventually admit you just so they can add your superb numbers to their stats.
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Jeez man, what are you basing this on? I don't see anything the OP has said that suggests he's a "d-bag" or "sociopath." He's already feeling down about the process, why do you have to be a jerk about it? As hard as this may be to believe, the admissions committees are not all-seeing. They cannot truly evaluate your worth as a human, and lack of admissions to a medical school does not make one a "d-bag."
-Roy
 
RoyBasch said:
Jeez man, what are you basing this on? I don't see anything the OP has said that suggests he's a "d-bag" or "sociopath." He's already feeling down about the process, why do you have to be a jerk about it? As hard as this may be to believe, the admissions committees are not all-seeing. They cannot truly evaluate your worth as a human, and lack of admissions to a medical school does not make one a "d-bag."
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thanks 🙂
 
While I can't vouch for OnlyNeedOneYes in the actual interview, I assure everyone that he is actually a really nice/cool guy. I met him at Pitt Med, and he was one of the more genuine and polite people in the group. I of course can only assume he continued his genial manner in the interview.

So, I know everyone is trying to help him figure out what has gone wrong, but don't assume he's an a** just because he has a 39 MCAT and something seems strange about his post-phrasing.
 
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aebvd97 said:
While I can't vouch for OnlyNeedOneYes in the actual interview, I assure everyone that he is actually a really nice/cool guy. I met him at Pitt Med, and he was one of the more genuine and polite people in the group. I of course can only assume he continued his genial manner in the interview.

So, I know everyone is trying to help him figure out what has gone wrong, but don't assume he's an a** just because he has a 39 MCAT and something seems strange about his post-phrasing.
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thanks! it's nice to have some people defend me 🙂 and it's cool that you recognize me lol
 
Here are some schools I’m considering for the upcoming 2010 cycle:

In-state Programs: 7

* Ohio State University
* University of Cincinnati
* Case Western Reserve University
* Cleveland Clinic Lerner CoM
Medical College of Ohio
Northeastern Ohio University
Wright State University

* Should I reapply to these schools in light of recent poor admissions decisions?


Out-of-state Programs: 7

Indiana University (~23% oos out of 300 spots)--- thoughts?
University of Kentucky (~20% oos out of 113 spots)--- remove?
University of Louisville (~25% oos out of 155 spots)--- remove?
Michigan State University (~20% oos out of ~120? spots)--- remove?
Penn State University (~62% oos out of 148 spots)
West Virginia University (unsure; demographics link on site was down)
Virginia Commonwealth University (~40% oos out of 202 spots)

Any help is greatly appreciated. I don’t have the current MSAR, so the matriculant numbers for the OOS schools are from their websites. These numbers are abysmal and I really want to pick the right schools next cycle, so this is just a starting point. The OOS schools above are mainly listed because they are geographically convenient, but I’ll go wherever I have to. Please don’t hold back any suggestions.

I want to end up with 20-25 schools and I need help finding OOS schools with relatively high OOS acceptance rates. I do not want to apply to any “Top 20” schools, as I’ve made this mistake already and I’m just not that caliber of applicant. Thanks in advance for the help!
 
For the OOS I say remove all but Kentucky, VCU, and Penn state...then maybe add Wake Forest, Tulane, UVA, Iowa, and AECOM.
 
Geographically speaking, if you're already applying to Penn State, you might as well apply to Temple, Drexel and Jefferson (3 private schools in Philadelphia).
 
ChubbyChaser said:
For the OOS I say remove all but Kentucky, VCU, and Penn state...then maybe add Wake Forest, Tulane, UVA, Iowa, and AECOM.
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Thanks for the input 🙂 So, you'd keep KY but get rid of Louisville and Indiana despite more spots/ higher % of OOS?
 
OnlyNeedOneYes said:
Thanks for the input 🙂 So, you'd keep KY but get rid of Louisville and Indiana despite more spots/ higher % of OOS?
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I dont know about louisville, I thought they were rather harsh with granting OOS acceptances, may be wrong though. Are those numbers total number of OOSers making up the class or total number of OOS acceptances cause the two can differ rather widely, but Definitely drop Indiana. There OOS tuition is ridiculous and who wants a class of 300+?

Honestly, despite your lack of success this cycle, I think your best bet would be to apply to all your state schools and then your dream/top schools, and then focus most of your attention on the mid tier privates. Not only are you more likely to get into those mid tier privates, but they are usually able to provide scholarships to their top students (if you figure out where you went wrong, I see no reason why this shouldnt be you).

State schools on the other hand seem to only offer scholarships to those IS.
 
How about Creighton and MCW? Those seem like good middle-tier private schools that I think you would have success with.
 
indiana has really bad OOS i thought. what about Rosalind Franklin, yeah add all the Philadelphia schools, albany. Add the SUNY schools. I hope you get in this round, apply to as many as you can if you have to reapply. it's expensive but you don't want to do it a third time if you really have to do it a second (but hopefully not!) remember to apply early, you have really good numbers if I remember rightly. and don't use the essays, write new ones. also consider taking some time off maybe one year and in 2011 write about your experiences in your time off and what you thought about.
good luck dude, i wish you the best!
 
i seriously DO NOT understand how a 3.9+ GPA and a 39 MCAT applicant can not get a single acceptance...are u a robot? but seriously, i think you'll be accepted to 1 school from your 4 waitlists. anyways..here's a GOOD LIST of med school that I applied to (reason=high OOS acceptance rate)




George Washington
Georgetown
Rosalind Franklin
Loyola University of Chicago
Tulane
Boston U
Tufts
Wayne State
Saint Louis Uni
Creighton
Dartmouth
Albany
Albert Einstein (Yeshiva Uni)
New York Medical College
Uni of Rochester
Wake Forest
Uni of Toledo (Ohio)
Ohio State Uni
Drexel
Jefferson Medical College of Thomas Jefferson

Temple
Uni of Vermont
Virginia Commonwealth Uni
Medical College of Wisconsin (Milwaukee)
Penn State
Uni of Maryland


btw, I was offered 6 interviews, with 3 acceptances, waiting for 2 decisions from these schools with average stats.
 
I still think you will get in this cycle (Assuming you have no criminal record or institutional action against you)...but whatever.

Indiana
Creighton
Michigan State University
EVMS
Virginia commonwealth University
Albany
University of Rochester
SUNY-buffalo, downstate, upstate
Stony Brook
Miami Miller
Tulane
Your state school(s)
University of Southern California
Oklahoma
Wayne St.
Rosalind Franklin
Loyola
St. Lousi University


Then I think if you want other schools that you would have a good shot in (but that get a TON of applicants so it would kinda be a crapshoot) I would go with

Georgetown
George Washington
Drexel
Jefferson
Boston University
Rush

I have said this before, but there is no reason that you should not get into a school with your stats. There is a red flag somewhere on your application, and I think it is either something I have mentioned above OR

Lack of clinical exposure (Volunteer in a hospital more)
You are a TERRIBLE interviewer (get a coach)
You have no community volunteer (non-medical) experiences
You wrote just a terrible personal statement (that included lots of red flags)...If you want to PM me your statement I can totally check it out for you.

Or more than one or a little from each from the list above.

We are all rooting for you big dogg! Like I said before, I think you have a pretty good shot of getting off at least one of those waitlists.
 
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