Jets A Line Tricks

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jetproppilot

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All right dudes/dudettes, heres my secrets to A line deftness. Follow these carefully and you'll be giving John Tinker a run for the next big Chairman opening. These are proprietary, though, so you have to send me a quarter every time it works. :laugh:

1)Make sure you've got everything ready, like UT said.
2) The key to this procedure is positioning. I like the commercially made, blue wrist thingies that put the wrist in perfect extended position. If you dont have these, roll up a blue/green OR towel, and put it under the wrist. Abduct the arm some, on an arm board if you are in the OR, or if you're in holding, take one of those height-adjustable tables, adjust the height to the bed's height, and place the forearm on it.
3) Palpate the pulse, select your site, and put in some intradermal lidocaine. I use a tuberculin syringe. Then take an alcohol swab and push firmly on the wheel to make it flat again, so the area you are looking at is not distorted from the weal (wheal?).
3) We use the Arrow a-line kits. Take the A line and hold it with your thumb and index finger where the END of the catheter (opposite the bevel) meets the rest of the contraption. This gives you dexterity with the bevel.
4) Heres the GREAT trick- making the skin TAUGHT, so the skin doesnt move at all, lets you drive the bevel wherever you want. To accomplish this, place the bottom of your hand at the base of the patient's thumb and pull DISTALLY. At the same time, use your left hand to palpate the pulse, and when you have it, use your left hand to pull the skin PROXIMAL. This effectively makes your site taught.
5) Insert the bevel at your site. I use a pretty steep angle, probably 40 degrees. Pop through the skin, and aim just a little more medial than you're thinking. The artery is usually a little more medial than you think. Push forward.
6) If you get a flash, push just a LITTLE (like 1 mm) further, drop your angle by 10 degrees or so and advance the guidewire. Push the catheter forward with TWISTING motions.
7) Heres a great trick if you cant advance the wire. Pull the wire all the way back, and push the A line THROUGH the artery and pull out the needle, leaving just the catheter there. Now use the black handle on the guidewire and push the guidewire all the way down. Now hold the little black handle with your thumb and forefinger. Put 4X4s under the catheter. With your left hand, pull the catheter back very slowly until pulsatile flow is seen, then pull back justa LITTLE more, like 1mm. Thread the wire through the catheter until you hub it, then advance the catheter, twisting it with every advance. Works 90% of the time when you cant get the wire to thread.

Good luck!
 
Taut and wheal.

Don't worry, I'll still pay you the quarter. 🙂 Thanks for the tips,

Dre'
 
VentdependenT said:
You brilliant bastard...here goes.

Brilliant Bastard is right- from reading his posts and talking with him on some messages, UT is a genetic freak- very, very smart dude- and a nice guy to boot. You don't find too many of those around. I'd hire him in a New York second.
I'd hate to hear what his MCAT was...
heres what the machine probably did when it spit out UT's score: 😱, then smoke started billowing from the machine from all the correct answers... :laugh:

There was a guy in my med school class named Mitch who had a similar intellectual profile- dude came to school every day with flip flops and a surfing t-shirt...real layed back cat....they scored it different back then, but he got a 70...and I thought my 58 was pretty good. :laugh:
 
We are penny pinchers so only use the wire Arrow kits if the pt is difficult so I usually place a 1cc syringe from a TB syringe (long + narrow) on the end of the angiocath to follow the flow.

Jet's post sum’s it up my technique nicely but I will add my bit of Voodoo. Once I get the flash and thread another 1mm, I turn the bevel of the needle 180 degrees before threading the cath. Ie. I enter the artery bevel up, go 1 mm further, rotate the needle bevel down then thread the cath.

Don’t ask me why this works but early in my residency a Staff showed me this and it took my % success rate from the 80’s to the high 90’s. I won’t tell you I get them all now but damn near close.

Totally anecdotal but give it a try if you have having difficulties.
 
Found this.
A-line's may seem like run-of-the-mill stuff, but sometimes they can go bad.

http://video.search.yahoo.com/video...l+line&oid=ffc4fd2a831d5a28&size=9.1MB&dur=43

Then go to the arterial line complication link.

Ouch... that would suck. Anyhow, just make sure to keep those arteries compressed after the puncture.

btw, I met Dr Ortega, at BU during interviews. He's pretty darn good with AV equipment, if I may say so myself.
 
Lizard1 said:
I went to that website and it looks like there are some good things to learn but all the videos/links I clicked on said that there was a loafing problem?

Anybody else or is it my computer?

Same thing happened to me today when I went there for something else. I think/hope that it's a temporary server problem.
 
To get out the wire of the Arrow a-line catheter, cut the end off - it has a white plastic cap, this is opposite the needle. Then you can put the needle down and have the wire free and clear to use with the catheter. In Marino's ICU book, he recommends the through the artery technique, pulling back till you get pulsatile flow, then put the wire in and thread the catheter over the wire. The wire should thread smoothly, if it catches you're prob. not in.

In this week's NEJM, there is a video link for a-line insertion. Just go to www.nejm.org It's pretty standard technique.

Another method for "saving" lines is to get a small syringe, fill with saline flush. Attach to catheter that has gone thru vessel. Pull back till you get flash, then inject and advance catheter at same time. The injectate stiffens the catheter and helps guide it in to place.
 
CanGas said:
We are penny pinchers so only use the wire Arrow kits if the pt is difficult so I usually place a 1cc syringe from a TB syringe (long + narrow) on the end of the angiocath to follow the flow.

Jet's post sum’s it up my technique nicely but I will add my bit of Voodoo. Once I get the flash and thread another 1mm, I turn the bevel of the needle 180 degrees before threading the cath. Ie. I enter the artery bevel up, go 1 mm further, rotate the needle bevel down then thread the cath.

Don’t ask me why this works but early in my residency a Staff showed me this and it took my % success rate from the 80’s to the high 90’s. I won’t tell you I get them all now but damn near close.

Totally anecdotal but give it a try if you have having difficulties.

I go in bevel down....try it.
 
I am only a CA-1, but one little trick one of the old timers showed me was to flush your gelco with saline prior to insertion. What this does is eliminate the potential for an airlock within the needle, so once you get into the vessel, it immediately flashes. I then use a thru and thru technique, attach the gelco to a t-piece will a ten cc syringe, filled with 5cc of ns.
Place the needle, get the flash, push thru and thru, remove needle, attach tpiece with flush, and slowly pull back on the catheter with gentle vacuum on the syringe, you then will get a flash of blood in the syringe, inject and push the gelco in.
Amazingly simple and no mess with blood shooting out of the catheter hub.
 
Jet, I like your technique to pushing straight through the artery, pulling back slowly and then wiring it when the blood starts coming back. This is a technique that the CT guys like using at my institution.

I'll have to try pulling the skin tight. This may help on some of our more rotund patients.
 
I graduate my program in a year, and still can't do a-lines (maybe 50% success) after having done easily 100+.

I have tried every trick listed here, and yes, they help, but I still miss the $%^# artery. I either miss completely, or get the artery but (after going through-and-through and slowly withdrawing) only get dripping rather than pulsatile flow. I assume this means I grazed the side of the artery rather than hit it dead on. Then, I aim a bit medial, but get the same thing, often ending up with a hematoma. I usually do get them eventually, but it ain't pretty (ten used catheters and a dozen blood-soaked 4x4's later).

I'm fairly sure this isn't just a result of having bad hands, since I have no trouble with any other procedure.

But there must be some as yet unlisted tips out there...I'm not looking forward to starting a job and needing my CRNA's to start my a-lines for me.
 
frotteurism said:
I graduate my program in a year, and still can't do a-lines (maybe 50% success) after having done easily 100+.

I have tried every trick listed here, and yes, they help, but I still miss the $%^# artery. I either miss completely, or get the artery but (after going through-and-through and slowly withdrawing) only get dripping rather than pulsatile flow. I assume this means I grazed the side of the artery rather than hit it dead on. Then, I aim a bit medial, but get the same thing, often ending up with a hematoma. I usually do get them eventually, but it ain't pretty (ten used catheters and a dozen blood-soaked 4x4's later).

I'm fairly sure this isn't just a result of having bad hands, since I have no trouble with any other procedure.

But there must be some as yet unlisted tips out there...I'm not looking forward to starting a job and needing my CRNA's to start my a-lines for me.

Hi
Just an incoming intern, but did a ton of a-lines during my rotations. I had this really good attending who would actually draw the artery on the forearm before he cleaned it, and started the line. At first I thought he was crazy, but I did it his way, and had a pretty damn high success rate (I didn't crunch the numbers, but I think it was in the low 90's). So after getting some lines under my belt, I decided that I was too damn good to do something as rudimentary as drawing the damn artery on someones arm, and decided to go with a blind stick. Needless to say, my success rate dropped precipitously.
Message: try drawing it, and then holding the skin taught w/o changing the position of the drawing.

Moral: Never mess with a good thing... aka: "if it ain't broke, don't fix it."

Disclaimer: I realize you prolly already tried this, but I figured it may help others who are a little lower on the totem pole.
:luck:
 
jetproppilot said:
All right dudes/dudettes, heres my secrets to A line deftness. Follow these carefully and you'll be giving John Tinker a run for the next big Chairman opening.


Isn't Tinker still at Nebraska? He was chairman at Iowa when I was there- a real character. VERY loud in the OR. Smart, opinionated and protective of his residents.
 
kmurp said:
jetproppilot said:
All right dudes/dudettes, heres my secrets to A line deftness. Follow these carefully and you'll be giving John Tinker a run for the next big Chairman opening.


Isn't Tinker still at Nebraska? He was chairman at Iowa when I was there- a real character. VERY loud in the OR. Smart, opinionated and protective of his residents.

I heard he was pretty sick, in the hospital 6-8 mos ago.

Can anyone give us an update on the great John Tinker's health?
 
jetproppilot said:
kmurp said:
I heard he was pretty sick, in the hospital 6-8 mos ago.

Can anyone give us an update on the great John Tinker's health?

A friend of mine just paid him a visit in Nebraska this past weekend. I didn't ask her specifically about his health, but sounds like he was his usual self when she chatted with him.

He's a funny guy. If only his program was somewhere besides Nebraska...
 
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