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If anyone has both topscore and ada test look at ada questions 16-30 and topscore pat1 16-30 the questions seem to be copied in exactly the same order. :wow: topscore pat 2 and pat 3 questions also seem to be the same questions with very slight modifications. Can topscore sell copyrighted materials (C 2000 American Dental Association. All rights reserved) and at the same time ask others not to give free copies to others !! :wow: I thought ADA tests should be freely available to all test takers and nobody is supposed to make money by selling ADA free tests. What do you all think? I am very pissed. I feel topscore robbed me.
 
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curious05 said:
If anyone has both topscore and ada test look at ada questions 16-30 and topscore pat1 16-30 the questions seem to be copied in exactly the same order. :wow: topscore pat 2 and pat 3 questions also seem to be the same questions with very slight modifications. Can topscore sell copyrighted materials (C 2000 American Dental Association. All rights reserved) and at the same time ask others not to give free copies to others !! :wow: I thought ADA tests should be freely available to all test takers and nobody is supposed to make money by selling ADA free tests. What do you all think? I am very pissed. I feel topscore robbed me.
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What ada test are you talking about? The one that they gave out freely? It wasn't the exact same when i looked at it.
 
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curious05 said:
If anyone has both topscore and ada test look at ada questions 16-30 and topscore pat1 16-30 the questions seem to be copied in exactly the same order. :wow: topscore pat 2 and pat 3 questions also seem to be the same questions with very slight modifications. Can topscore sell copyrighted materials (C 2000 American Dental Association. All rights reserved) and at the same time ask others not to give free copies to others !! :wow: I thought ADA tests should be freely available to all test takers and nobody is supposed to make money by selling ADA free tests. What do you all think? I am very pissed. I feel topscore robbed me.
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This is nothing new, I have the ADA released exams from 1985-1990, and both kaplan and topscore seem to have copied some of their questions in most sections directly from the ADA released exam, with slight modification.
 
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mikester2 said:
What ada test are you talking about? The one that they gave out freely? It wasn't the exact same when i looked at it.
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What are you talking about? Topscore questions are even in the same exact order. Try to defend something that is defendable. How does topscore feel if someone sells their questions and change like 1 word in each answer choice and change the order of answer choices... Topscore hasn't even bothered to change the order of the ADA T-F-E questions. Look at topscore PAt 1 questions 16-30 and topscore PAt 2 and pat 3 and then think again. Those free ADA questions are copied. That's cheating and a copyright violation. plain and simple.

EVERYONE, ADA QUESTIONS ARE FREE. DO NOT PAY FOR FREE QUESTIONS
 
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curious05 said:
What are you talking about? Topscore questions are even in the same exact order. Try to defend something that is defendable. How does topscore feel if someone sells their questions and change like 1 word in each answer choice and change the order of answer choices... Topscore hasn't even bothered to change the order of the ADA T-F-E questions. Look at topscore PAt 1 questions 16-30 and topscore PAt 2 and pat 3 and then think again. Those free ADA questions are copied. That's cheating and a copyright violation. plain and simple.

EVERYONE, ADA QUESTIONS ARE FREE. DO NOT PAY FOR FREE QUESTIONS
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ADA won't care if you copy those free questions. If topscore copy the questions from an actual test like princeton does for the mcat, then there would be a lawsuit.
 
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syn_apse said:
could somebody answer this question please?
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Ask ada for a sample. I got mine from the dental advisor. Its the same test that you get when you sign up for the test. There is a sample test included.
 
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thanks mikester.. I just registered for the DAT, so I guess it's in the mail 🙂

Good luck everybody!
 
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thanks mikester.. I just registered for the DAT, so I guess it's in the mail 🙂

Good luck everybody!
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It should have been in the regristration packet when you registered.
 
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i registered online -- they said they would mail the 1-800 number in a week or two. you think the sample test will be in that packet? also, is it a full test or a just a sample from each section?
 
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mikester2 said:
ADA won't care if you copy those free questions. If topscore copy the questions from an actual test like princeton does for the mcat, then there would be a lawsuit.
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I am very upset over this. I don't want to continue this conversation
 
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i registered online -- they said they would mail the 1-800 number in a week or two. you think the sample test will be in that packet? also, is it a full test or a just a sample from each section?
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I registered online, too. They aren't going to send it to you. They will just send you comfirmation on your test location. Best way to get a copy is to ask your predent advisor for a registration packet. And its a full practice test.

Oh i never said we didn't care, just ada wouldn't do anything about it. I would be pissed too if i bought the program and realized they copy some questions.
 
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curious05 said:
If anyone has both topscore and ada test look at ada questions 16-30 and topscore pat1 16-30 the questions seem to be copied in exactly the same order. :wow: topscore pat 2 and pat 3 questions also seem to be the same questions with very slight modifications. Can topscore sell copyrighted materials (C 2000 American Dental Association. All rights reserved) and at the same time ask others not to give free copies to others !! :wow: I thought ADA tests should be freely available to all test takers and nobody is supposed to make money by selling ADA free tests. What do you all think? I am very pissed. I feel topscore robbed me.
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Hey I took the KAplan course and if you look at topscore and then at the white kaplan(or blue) book you will notice many questions are verbatim.

Who cares if they plagarize, their product is pure crap in my opinion.

hell, the read DAT is not like Topscore either.

At the end when you look at the items marked or incomplete its a completly different screen.
 
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curious05 said:
If anyone has both topscore and ada test look at ada questions 16-30 and topscore pat1 16-30 the questions seem to be copied in exactly the same order. :wow: topscore pat 2 and pat 3 questions also seem to be the same questions with very slight modifications. Can topscore sell copyrighted materials (C 2000 American Dental Association. All rights reserved) and at the same time ask others not to give free copies to others !! :wow: I thought ADA tests should be freely available to all test takers and nobody is supposed to make money by selling ADA free tests. What do you all think? I am very pissed. I feel topscore robbed me.
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It's really disturbing realizing that a supposedly established publisher can be so unscrupulous in their test authoring process. I hope they'll not get away without having something done against this presumptuous act!

You're right, PAT 3 is significantly easier since many questions repeat (exact same models, the only difference is that the questions wil be asking you on a separate view(s) this time round)... I believe my low score of the real PAT has got alot to do with the deceiving PAT 3 score I got from Topscore. Can you imagine a promising mock score of 23 be turned into an 18 instead at the Prometric Center? 😡 You guys better watch out on this!!
 
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No wonder the overall PAT peformances/scores from among the candidates continue to stay low.

I wonder how long Topscore's PAT sample tests are going to fool around... +pissed+
 
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curious05 said:
What are you talking about? Topscore questions are even in the same exact order. Try to defend something that is defendable. How does topscore feel if someone sells their questions and change like 1 word in each answer choice and change the order of answer choices... Topscore hasn't even bothered to change the order of the ADA T-F-E questions. Look at topscore PAt 1 questions 16-30 and topscore PAt 2 and pat 3 and then think again. Those free ADA questions are copied. That's cheating and a copyright violation. plain and simple.

EVERYONE, ADA QUESTIONS ARE FREE. DO NOT PAY FOR FREE QUESTIONS
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I have no intention of bringing up this old thread, but I think Scholarware owe the SDN an answer.

I just read the "Compare Products Truthfully" link from their website and they claimed they DO NOT steal material from the actual test of the ADA.

Who's actually right here? 😕
 
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Yes, I will. And I hope to see Scholarware post their explanation here when I come back tommorrow again. See you all for now.
 
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curious05 said:
If anyone has both topscore and ada test look at ada questions 16-30 and topscore pat1 16-30 the questions seem to be copied in exactly the same order. :wow: topscore pat 2 and pat 3 questions also seem to be the same questions with very slight modifications. Can topscore sell copyrighted materials (C 2000 American Dental Association. All rights reserved) and at the same time ask others not to give free copies to others !! :wow: I thought ADA tests should be freely available to all test takers and nobody is supposed to make money by selling ADA free tests. What do you all think? I am very pissed. I feel topscore robbed me.
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"Courious" (Vivian from your customer record and initial email to our company) and other SDNs on this thread:

We invite any to provide specific references to any concerns about our software through our website support at www.scholarware.com/support.htm.

Other than Vivian's few ADA question concerns, she has yet to provided us anything but has chosen to seek counsel on SDN. Certainly anyone's right. We normally do not respond on anonymous boards such as SDN and any future "deserved" responses will come through our website when customers ask us. We have nothing to hide and have been providing quality review products for many years.

To address ADA sample questions, some of the PAT "Views" questions are modeled after the ADA test booklet. The test booklet obviously represents items and concepts that the ADA feels worthy for the DAT candidate to study. We have studied these questions and extracted important concepts from them. TopScore DOES NOT exactly copy any ADA questions, but rather a different view so as to emphasize the same tested concept. This is the reason for some of these questions being similar. One view, in particular, deals with a triangle shaped object that tests a very important concept that we find reapeated on actual exams.

In no way is this implementation of questions "plagiarism" or illegal according to our actual legal counsel. The sample questions are published by the ADA as study items and TopScore Pro does not copy that question exactly. They are changed slightly yet still tries to maintain the integrity of the concept being tested. And in all cases, the object question stem is a different question. Why? Careful observation or "perception" would reveal this and the student should use the question for its intended purpose, not throw it out or ridicule it just because something is similar. Figure out why it is similar and the uniqueness that the question is offering or principle it is trying to test. This is an excellent, proven way to study. It's like studying the answers of a biology question (the distracters) to figure out why they are there. Is there a reason? This can certainly help your depth of study.

In some instances, this is what TopScore Pro tries to emphasize.

TopScore Pro was published in 1998. If a later ADA test booklet has changed in its recent publication and copied TopScore Pro questions, we can verify this easily.

FYI: Questions of scientific fact, such as "Does blood contain RBC?", "Balance the chemical equation..." or questions or concepts specific to published scientific studies and/or research as well as any other questions of fact cannot be copyrighted.

Good luck on your test!
Gabriel
ScholarWare, Inc.
 
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curious05 said:
If anyone has both topscore and ada test look at ada questions 16-30 and topscore pat1 16-30 the questions seem to be copied in exactly the same order. :wow: topscore pat 2 and pat 3 questions also seem to be the same questions with very slight modifications. Can topscore sell copyrighted materials (C 2000 American Dental Association. All rights reserved) and at the same time ask others not to give free copies to others !! :wow: I thought ADA tests should be freely available to all test takers and nobody is supposed to make money by selling ADA free tests. What do you all think? I am very pissed. I feel topscore robbed me.
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"Courious" (Vivian from your customer record and initial email to our company) and other SDN:

We invite any to provide specific references to any concerns about our software through our website support at www.scholarware.com/support.htm. This is our accepted method. Other than Vivian's few ADA question concerns, she has yet to provided this to us but has chosen to seek counsel on SDN. Certainly anyone's right. We normally do not respond on anonymous boards such as SDN and any future "deserved" responses will come through our website when customers ask us though our accepted method.

To briefly address ADA sample questions, some of the PAT "Views" questions are modeled after the ADA test booklet. The test booklet obviously represents items and concepts that the ADA feels worthy for the DAT candidate to study. TopScore does not exactly copy the questions, but rather a different view so as to emphasize the same tested concept. This is the reason for some of these questions. One view, in particular, deals with a triangle shaped object that tests a very important concept that we find repeated on actual exams.

In no way is this implementation of questions "plagiarism" or illegal according to our actual legal counsel. The sample questions are published by the ADA as a study item and TopScore Pro DOES NOT copy that question exactly. They are changed slightly yet still tries to maintain the integrity of the concept being tested. And in all cases, the object question stem is a different question. Careful observation or "perception" would reveal this and the student should use the question for its intended purpose, not throw it out or ridicule it just because something is similar. Figure out why it is similar and the uniqueness that the question is offering or principle it is trying to test. This is an excellent, proven way to study. It's like studying the answers of a biology question (the distracters) to figure out why they are there. This can certainly help your depth of study.

In some instances, this is what TopScore Pro tries to emphasize.

TopScore Pro was published in 1998. If a later ADA test booklet has changed in its recent publication and copied TopScore Pro questions, we can verify this easily.


Good luck on your test.
Gabriel
ScholarWare, Inc.
 
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ScholarWare said:
"Courious" (Vivian from your customer record and initial email to our company) and other SDN:

We invite any to provide specific references to any concerns about our software through our website support at www.scholarware.com/support.htm. This is our accepted method. Other than Vivian's few ADA question concerns, she has yet to provided this to us but has chosen to seek counsel on SDN. Certainly anyone's right. We normally do not respond on anonymous boards such as SDN and any future "deserved" responses will come through our website when customers ask us though our accepted method.

To briefly address ADA sample questions, some of the PAT "Views" questions are modeled after the ADA test booklet. The test booklet obviously represents items and concepts that the ADA feels worthy for the DAT candidate to study. TopScore does not exactly copy the questions, but rather a different view so as to emphasize the same tested concept. This is the reason for some of these questions. One view, in particular, deals with a triangle shaped object that tests a very important concept that we find repeated on actual exams.

In no way is this implementation of questions "plagiarism" or illegal according to our actual legal counsel. The sample questions are published by the ADA as a study item and TopScore Pro DOES NOT copy that question exactly. They are changed slightly yet still tries to maintain the integrity of the concept being tested. And in all cases, the object question stem is a different question. Careful observation or "perception" would reveal this and the student should use the question for its intended purpose, not throw it out or ridicule it just because something is similar. Figure out why it is similar and the uniqueness that the question is offering or principle it is trying to test. This is an excellent, proven way to study. It's like studying the answers of a biology question (the distracters) to figure out why they are there. This can certainly help your depth of study.

In some instances, this is what TopScore Pro tries to emphasize.

TopScore Pro was published in 1998. If a later ADA test booklet has changed in its recent publication and copied TopScore Pro questions, we can verify this easily.


Good luck on your test.
Gabriel
ScholarWare, Inc.
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Dear Gabriel,
Can you please take a look at TopScore PAT 2 Question #21 and ADA PAT Question # 22 and tell one difference??? That's an example of what we mean by an exact copy.
 
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😡 Never imagined Scholarware had arleady roamed here and swiftly sugar-coated their claims without further giving us better answers here. A serious matter like this will NOT just take one post to wrap it up.

I wonder why they can be so "dumbed" in blindly copying/stealing the ADA's materials without having a hint of the devastating results that follow.

I think SDN is a fair ground to expose anything "crappy" to the benefits of all SDNers. Watch out for Topscore'd big lie!!
 
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Xenon said:
😡 Never imagined Scholarware had arleady roamed here and swiftly sugar-coated their claims without further giving us better answers here. A serious matter like this will NOT just take one post to wrap it up.

I wonder why they can be so "dumbed" in blindly copying/stealing the ADA's materials without having a hint of the devastating results that follow.

I think SDN is a fair ground to expose anything "crappy" to the benefits of all SDNers. Watch out for Topscore'd big lie!!
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Hey I used topscore/////


PIECE OF CRAP IN MY OPINION AND A WASTE OF MONEY.
 
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Where has that topscore or scholarware "plagiarizer" gone to? I doubt they have given good explanation to this thread... what do you guys think?
 
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Xenon said:
Where has that topscore or scholarware "plagiarizer" gone to? I doubt they have given good explanation to this thread... what do you guys think?
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Their response, although lenghty, noted interestingly their copyright was before the 2002 ADA copyright 😴
 
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Their response, although lenghty, noted interestingly their copyright was before the 2002 ADA copyright 😴
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Unbelievable... :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: The situation is now reversed where the ADA copied questions from topscore instead... Is that what you're trying to imply, joy2dmd? 😕
 
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Xenon said:
Unbelievable... :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: The situation is now reversed where the ADA copied questions from topscore instead... Is that what you're trying to imply, joy2dmd? 😕
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Actually that's not what their note says if you read it closely. It states their copyright dates and the ADA's copyright and it can be looked into.

BYW, I have actually looked at this question, and they are different. Surprise....Some of the answer choices are different. Therefore they are not the same. That's probably why this was a dead thread.

You should have at least "perceived" this with this question. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
 
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