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any info about how malignant univ. of washington is???
coogmed said:I was speaking w/ someone about it on the interview trail regarding that program's possible "malignant" attitude and their recent probationary status (most likely b/c of work hour violations). After mulling it over during the before dinner interview wine, we had 2 hypotheses (sp):
#1) Going to a program "on probation" is probably not going to ding the rep. much- I bet if you were going to take a secret straw poll amongst the educators/PD's/Fellow Directors, most are probably against the 80 hr. work week in some degree (some vehemently, some with some minor alterations). I doubt there would be very many that would frown upon your res. program come fellowship time if it was in violation 2 years ago (the caveat is of course that they fixed the problem...). Take JHU for example- they were on probation a few years ago- does anyone truly think they were crippled by it?
#2) .... it may make intern year a bit easier! Being post-probation, my guess is that the ACGME/RRC are paying close attention to improvements. Ward attendings will make sure you're not going over your hours (for better or worse). By no means I am applying that intern year at Udubb will become a breeze, but it will probably closely approximate the 80 hr. rule for a while.
Anyone out there from U Washington? Thoughts?
coogmed said:#1) Going to a program "on probation" is probably not going to ding the rep. much- I bet if you were going to take a secret straw poll amongst the educators/PD's/Fellow Directors, most are probably against the 80 hr. work week in some degree (some vehemently, some with some minor alterations). I doubt there would be very many that would frown upon your res. program come fellowship time if it was in violation 2 years ago (the caveat is of course that they fixed the problem...). Take JHU for example- they were on probation a few years ago- does anyone truly think they were crippled by it?
BigBadBix said:When I left, they had only 1-2 rotations that were running over, and that was by a small margin - under 1hr. (BTW, work hours were not the only violation, but they were the main issue.)
bigtuna said:What were the other ones?