Did anyone apply to Med and Dental school at the same time?

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I was thinking about doing this, because I can't really deicde on what to do, so Iwas going to let chance decide for me. I'm wondering if your chances for admission will be significantly decreased, because the Dental application asks whether you're applying to other professoinal schools.
 
I really don't care. Do whatever you want to do. I have a spot in dental school already. But be preparred to get alot of ****, this pre-dent forum is going to rip you a new dingus
 
How could you not know what you want to do? That is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. Why don't you take some time and research what field suits you? The last think I was is a confused Dentist or Physician screwing up someones life because they didn't have the decency to sit down and realize what their passion is. I was a pre-med when I started college, but after two years of working in the hospital/clinical setting I realized that this was not what I wanted to do. I researched other prospective fields and eliminated them one by one. The one left remaining was dentistry, which fit all of my criteria. (Note: just because dentistry fit my criteria's doesn't mean it will fit yours, so that is all upto you.) Like Steiner19er said, do what you want but not only are people on this form going to think bad of this, but so will the admissions commitee. I will guarantee it. What will you do if you got into one medical school and one dental school? I would guess you would go to Medical school, right? Would you pick the dental school over the medical school? So this decreases the chances of admittance from the dental school. DON'T USE DENTAL SCHOOL AS A BACK UP, if you do you may regret this for the rest of your life. Good luck. <img border="0" alt="[Pity]" title="" src="graemlins/pity.gif" />
 
Bubgump,

Please take a second and refer to "our" POLL OF THE WEEK, did you know that 11% of us on this forum would love to find you and kick your as# and 24% of us can't stand people like you? Let me guess, you just want to be a "doctor" and really don't care which type of "doctor" you end up with! Or maybe, it's the money thing for you, you figured that "hey, both medical and dentistry make pretty good money!"

I'll tell you what, why don't you throw Chiropractics, Optometry, and Podiatry into your "which doctor should I be SOUP" and have a party! Apply to them all, make it interesting!

I personally know at least 5 dental schools that CAN NOT STAND applicants applying to both medical and dental schools. And I positive that there are many more other schools out there with the same frame of mind. These dental schools will shot you down so fast regardless of what type of grades and standardize scores you may have! You simply lack passion and determination and I question your motive.

You gotta do what ya gotta do! But I'll tell you what, good luck getting into schools! And if you DO get into a dental school because medical school finds you weak, good luck surviving in dental school because it will not be for you.

😡
 
I think that everyone is being a little hard on bubgump. I have no desire to "rip a new dingus" in anyone. It was an honest question, the guy has 3 posts for crying out loud!

Now,

bubgump, that thing really pisses people off. There is allot of history involved here. Dentistry is not "a back up plan for medical school." Some people belittle Dentists, until they have an abscessed tooth. If you apply to both medical and dental school at the same time you will look bad to both and get into neither. You need to spend some time in a MD's office and in a Dentists office and decide. Dental school is just as demanding as Medical school and if your heart is not in it you will not succeed. I would not make it through Medical school, it is not what I love to do. I know that there are some Medical students that would not make it through Dental school for the same reason.

Decide, I bet that pre-med students get just as pissed off when they are confronted with the same question. If you want to know why we like Dentistry, what influenced our decisions then ask and maybe that could help you.

Good luck.
 
Wow, I am amazed at the lack of respect and downright immaturity involved in some these posts.

I'm sure glad to know that some of us know what we want to do when we grow up. Because of that I suppose we should talk down to anybody who doesn't.

As was pointed out, the guy only has 3 posts. Let's try to make some friends.

Bubgump: as was pointed out, your chances will be decreased slightly in some instances, and quite a bit in other instances.

You're too smart to let chance decide anything for you, and that's impossible because you not researching careers to determine what interests you is just another way of saying that you *decided* not to decide. You might as well control your own destiny.

Take the advice that others have posted and shadow some professionals, read current medical/dental journals, and talk to your peers. Too much money/time will be involved (whichever path you choose) to not put forth your best effort. Best effort can only come from something you are truly passionate about.

Good luck with the process, and let us know if we can offer any more suggestions to you!
 
Shi#! ItsGavinC, you're right, we should all be mature as you! Remember, everyone is entitled to their opinions. 😡
 
I used to get mad at pre-meds who applied to dental school, but then I realized that it doesn't matter. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, we are all young (early 20's), some of us are older, and things in life change. We realize that med is not for us, or dent is not for us. While we might be inclined towards one profession we might realize that they both have their appeals, and since it more or less takes a Chem or Bio degree to get into either one our options are open.

Nowhere does it say that you can't apply to both. Contrary to Yah-ZZZ I have heard from admission counselors that they don't care if pre-meds apply to dental school (as long as its not in the same year). The schools just want the best applicants that they can get, they don't care if you "have an aching desire to be a dentist, when your GPA is 2.7" nor do they care if you "are applying to dental school b/c your 3.5 didn't get you into John Hopkins". Its your life. If you really don;t want to be a dentist then you MIGHT not be truly happy. Again another weak argument. You can still be happy, like always people change their minds. In dental school the person will more then likely relize that this is what they really wanted all along.

Many people get mad at the pre-meds because "the damn pre-meds are stealing a spot from us". That is the worlds weakest argument. The pre-meds are not what is keeping you out of dental school, its YOU that is keeping YOU out of dental school. If a pre-med applies to dental school, and gets in, and you don't its your own damn fault. Its your fault for having a lower GPA then the pre-med applicant, its your fault for getting that 'C' in organic chemistry.

So be mature and open minded. Peoples opinions change. Just b/c some people change their minds it doesn't mean that they can't pursue another goal.

😀 And BUBGUMP, if these people are being dinguses apply to Indiana Univ. (med or dent) I got your back.
 
just one point of clarification on your last post steiner, you don't need to have either a bio or chem degree...you can be any major (I was psych), as long as you have the requirements done.
 
I second what steiner19er has said. Who cares what other applicants are doing? Your primary focus should be on ways to make YOU the most competitive applicant you can be. Quit crying when a pre-med decides to go into dentistry and worry about your own application. We are all adults here. I have met way too many pre-meds/pre-dents whose entire life revolves around getting into some sort of professional school. It's sad, really.

FYI...I got a BA in psychology and was all set to go into the Clinical Psych. PhD program when I decided to go into dentistry instead. Am I going to be a lousy dentist or do poorly in dental school because I did not grow up wanting to be a dentist? I seriously doubt it. Does it mean I "took someone else's" dental school seat? No. The seat was mine to begin with.
 
simseema, I said it MORE OR LESS takes a chem or bio degree.
 
whoops, my bad! :wink: 😎
 
Yah-ZZZ,

Yep! Everybody is entitled to their opinions. If your opinion involves trashing a new member of the SDN community, then go ahead and post it.

Your poll asked "How do you feel about people applying to DENTAL SCHOOLS and medical schools at the same time?", however bubgump didn't say that he had applied to both -- only that he was considering it and wanted to get some help on the matter. Bubgump's posting was a great chance for us to help change something that many people dislike (according to the poll results).

Props to all those who have collectively posted uplifting and straight-up information in an attempt to help this guy out. Steiner's post was great and contains info. we could probably all use a refresher on every now and then.

Just my entitled opinion 🙂
 
Luuutinant Gaaav. Forest is so pleased that you stuck up for Bubgump.
 
How come you guys don't get pissed off when a dental student goes on to get an MD through an oral surgery program? Didn't they like the DDS? How could they get an MD? Obviously I'm being facitious, but I think your anger at people who want to work in healthcare and find both dentistry and medicine interesting is misplaced. There are plenty of similarities between the two professions, probably more than there are differences. So aim your anger elsewhere.
 
Yeah, sorry, but I wasn't sticking up for him. In fact, as I previously posted, his thoughts of letting chance choose his future career are quite the cop-out (he's choosing not to choose).

Doesn't mean he should be made fun of, ridiculed, or "ripped a new dingus". A legitimate question deserves a legitimate answer -- not "good luck surviving in dental school because it will not be for you."

I'm just trying to better the community.
 
Ok, first of all, I apologize if offended a lot of you. I am new to the forum and didn't know there was a poll going on, nor did I have understanding of how much pre-dents seem to hate pre-meds applying to dental school. But, hear me out. Honestly, I'm interested in both professions. Each has aspects that I really like, and yes, I have been pre-med for most of time in college, but I just discovered Dentistry, and it really caught my interest. The reason I asked the question is because I'm applying this June and since I just recently became intereted in Dentistry, I was going to find out more about it by working in a Dental office or talking to Dental students. Seeing that it's already march, I don't really have too much time to do that, so I was cosidering applying to both Med and Dental school. This way, if I do get into Dental school and I find out that I really like it, I will still have an opportunity to go without having to wait another year to apply. I'm simply trying to keep my options, because there might be someting better than just med-school out there. So, don't judge me and pretend you know my life because I wrote a few sentences that pissed you off. I just wanted some advice. Now that I know my chances will be significantly decreased for Dental school, I probably won't apply to both. If I can be sure that I like Dentistry, I probably won't apply to med-school, but only time can tell, and I don't have much of it. Also, I do aplogize for the chance thing. I didn't really mean that I want chance to decided for me, but when I wrote the post, I was just getting sick of thinking about my future, so it just came out. Don't tell none of you have ever felt that way. I really didn't mean it that way.
I don't think of Dentistry as a back-up. I think of it as something that I may like better than Medicine. That's the bottom line. I should've made that clearer.
 
•••quote:•••Seeing that it's already march, I don't really have too much time to do that, so I was cosidering applying to both Med and Dental school. This way, if I do get into Dental school and I find out that I really like it, I will still have an opportunity to go without having to wait another year to apply ••••I don't really care too much if you apply to both, but I just have a problem w/people applying to anything, just to get in somewhere and THEN deciding if its for them or not. Of course there's no sure way to tell, but here's an example. Let's say someone is premed, but also is interested in other things. Without researching the field too much, they apply to med school, get accepted, and then leave after the first year. I know it can happen to people who really *thought* they would love it, but there are also some people who get in and don't really value it that much and leave. The only problem I have with it is that when people aren't that interested, and apply to just apply...and *hope* that they'll like it. If someone is genuinely interested and know that its something they would like to do, then go for it. I hope I'm making sense, but the best analogy I could make is...

its like when you decide which schools to apply to. Don't apply to a whole bunch of schools just to apply, only if you'd really consider going there. If you honestly would go to every school you apply to, then I have no problem. I think this is the same logic I would use about this question. 🙂

hopefully I made some sense, I'm kinda tired 😎
 
honestly, i don't see what all the fuss is about either. bubgump, i'm in that same position, not sure where or what to apply to next year. people in this forum and in the meds forum like to think of their future professions as holy and pure. but honestly, they're both good jobs that are pretty satisfying, and that's about it. it's not as if some people are definitely premeds and others are definitely predents, it's all a mindset kinda thing. go ahead, let fate decide. i think that's what i'm going to do... 😀
 
I applied to medical, dental, and pharmacy schools.
 
You need to consider extrinsic factors in your decision, too. I really agree with the idea that you should decide, then stick to it.

Do you want to have a family one day? If so, do you want to see that family?

Do you want to deal with HMO's or PPO's? Yes or no, either way is a good answer.

Set priorities!!! Definitely!!! When I was deciding, I realized I wanted my family on top--you just can't have that with medicine.
 
The Beyonder,

Did you get in any DO or Dental schools this year? I knew that you were on some waiting lists? Pharmacy too, huh? I had no idea that you applied to so many health professions!!

Wow, I was reading some of my older posts, boy, was I harsh on Bubgump!? I must be fired up that day or something?!
 
I for one find Yah-E's comments to be slightly disturbing, considering that he has all but decided to get an MD through an oral surgery program before actually doing any oral surgery...

Bubgump asked a simple question and it doesn't do anyone any harm to respect his right to ask a question on a forum such as this - that's what the purpose of this "interactive dialogue" is...

So people like Yah-E who put up asinine polls and belittle those who haven't entirely got their lives mapped out, you should be ashamed of yourselves.
 
DMD2006,

Yeah, my earlier post to Bubgump was a bit harsh. Like I said early, I must be on fire that day. 😀

As far as me wanting to do the OMS/MD programs, it's not the MD portion that attracts me, that is just another perk of OMS (if I do get into a 6 year OMS/MD program). If there's still the traditional 4-year OMS programs left by the we graduate in 2006, I'd be more than glad to apply to those programs as well. I just know that in the last 4 years or so, a lot of the 4-year OMS programs are converting into the 6-year OMS/MD programs.

😎
 
Hey Yah-E,
No hard feelings - everyone has their moments.

As for your specific concern about the OMS/MD vs. OMS/MS programs, all the people I have spoken to say that they don't anticipate any changes in the next decade. Some programs will adopt an MD integration, some programs will drop the MD integration, but on the whole the number of MD vs. non-MD programs should remain the same.

Cheers.
 
Dear Bubgump,

Which ever you decide, please do your research. Dental school's curriculums are brutal. It's a marathon. If you are not confident about your choice of profession, you may have hard time completing it. Couple of my colleagues are in danger of repeating the 1st year and some are contemplating of leaving the school because they are not motivated/found that they hate dentistry.

Best Regards.
 
2 Years ago I went to my orthodontic for a check up and I was talking to one of the assitant, who was going to UCLA Dental School. (I think she volunteered just to see what ortho is like) She wanted to go to a med school but did not get in. So she figured denstry was a good back up. Howerver, as I was talking to her, I realized how much she hated dentistry. She was actually considering quitting UCLA Dental School and trying to apply to med school again. (I almost asked her if she can give me her spot at ucla 😀 but she seemed rather upset at herself.....so I didn't =P )

Everyone has a different dream and good at different thing. As the previous posts mentioned, you have to do your research and find out what you really like. You will be working for 30-40 years after dental (or med) school, and how miseable would it be if you dislike your job?? (or rather, how miserable would your patients be!?)

Medicine and dentistry are both great professions. Our goal is to aim to serve the community and provide good patient care.

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"Choose Wisely!" -Indiana Jones
 
Hey Yah-E,

I gotta be honest. I never wanted to see this forum again after those comments, but after seeing your reply, I feel A LOT better. So thanks.

I'm still trying to decide right now and will be volunteering in a Dental Office soon. I have considered the goods and bads for both professions, but it's difficult to decide which are most important to me. Thanks for everyone's replies.
 
Bubgump,

Yeah, disregard my first couple of posts! I wish you the best of luck! Shadowing dental offices will definitely be a good thing to do. Thanks for your reply! I'm glad that you're back!

:clap:
 
Bubgump - it may help to understand the general disapproval from the side of pre-dents to waffle between med and dent school, is largely due to our own experiance... I'm sure we've all had to deal with the stigma (at least I know I have) that we were applying to dental school because we "weren't good enough" for one reason or another to get into med school. I startd my undergrad prgm wanting to become a dentist... and was frustrated when my premed advisor (sorry - it was a really small school - all pre-health peeps had a pre-med advisor) pretty much presented dental school as a back up plan to the premeds - that and people who respond to your plans to go to dental school with comments like "what - did you fail a science class - can't be a doctor?" I'm sure we all have our own anecdotes of conversations with idiots to share. It's depressing to have someone tell you they think you're a loser, and using dental school as a back-up plan for med school is really a suble iteration of the "loser" comments.

Oh - my favorite incident was last summer when one of our research collaborators, a biophysics prof at IUPUI, spent 15 minutes trying to talk me out of going to dental school and "wasting" my potential *sigh* i think his animosity stemmed mostly from a loser classmate back in the day who went on to dental school and then was a prominent dentist... as well as the radio ads he remembered Indiana U running to try and attract applicants (not sure when this was, the professor was old guard, about ready to retire)
 
As someone making a first reply, I really enjoyed reading this whole discussion thread; seeing the humor, the anger, the confusion, and some really heartfelt postings.

I, similar to bubgump is confused between the two programs. To me, I enjoy the biology, the chemistry and the occasional physics involved in the classes I've took. It's really hard to decide exactly what it is that I want to do. As long as I'm involved with sciences, dentistry, medicine, or optometry all seem the same to me. (Yes, feel free to make a incision 1 cm anterior of my rectum) Even some of the shadowing I've done, I've felt that the shadowing experiences that I had that were the most meaningful for me, were professionals who are ethuasiastic about what they are doing. It doesn't matter to me what profession that I was shadowing, whether dentistry, optometry, or medicine. What really matter is that the person I am shadowing is energetic, and legitimate. I've seen dentistry offices that had bad vibes, and I've seen excellent orthodontic offices. I've interviewed an optometrists, that was absolutely exciting for me, not because of the nature of the job, but because of the enthusiasm, and love that the person had. I have yet to seen a devout doctor, but I've only observed couple of them.

What's my point? My point is that it is hard, at least for me and some others, to really know what it is that we want to do. You are certainly welcome to disagree. Perhaps, you knew all along it was dentistry that you wanted. Perhaps, your parents really let you be who you are. Perhaps you have relatives in a health profession who helped you with your decision while you were in junior high. But for the rest of us, we don't have that luxury, and that translates into more work, anxiety, self-reflection, and time in us.
 
as an ex-pre-med, now pre-dent, i can tell you that i think its important to understand why you want to go to med school.

it is hard to come to terms with, but a lot of the allure is status, and the ability to tell your friends/parents you are in medical school and going to be a doctor and all that...

you have to consider that by gaining all of that bs, you will probably end up in school longer, working longer hours, living a different lifestyle. And if you are on the borderline of being admitted to med school, which many are, you have to consider that some of the dentistry-like medical fields (priv practice, good money, no hassle like DERm, ENT, RaD) are very very difficult to match into.

I feel like there are a lot of people who are being led by the prestige of the MD, like junkies looking to get their next fix since graduating Summa Cum Laude or bringing home a 4.0 GPA. I was, and it was tough to realize my own superficiality, but that was the case, and here i am.
 
i think they have pretty much given you all the advice you might need. Just let me add one thing. dental school and medical school are two different things. Its just liie graduating with a DDS some day and having someone ask you, well, why didn't you go to med school? the answer should be the same reason i didn't go engineering...don't mae the mistake of tying them both together. They are different things. other then that, do some research about the two. hang out at the allo forum, hang out here, google some things out, try to find your calling, your passion, whatever you want to call it. But I do with you the best of luck my friend.
 
jk,

Just browsing this thread you've resurrected, there seems to be a lot of hostility towards this indecision and indirectly towards medicine. I think most of it is exaggerated. I have 2 immediate family members in medicine. It's a great profession, and to suggest physicians have no time for family is proof enough to me they don't know what they're talking about. Needless to say, there are many differences and similarities between the fields. For a long time I too struggled with this indecision. I even took the MCAT and (at the risk of sounding defensive) got my 30+. But for many reasons I decided on dentistry and wouldn't change it for the world.
I will tell you that applying to both at the same time is a big negative IMO. I ONLY applied to dental schools, but through a clerical error San Antonio had down that I was applying to Med School also and frowned upon it heavily. I had to straiten it out with my interviewer who said that it was imperative that we speak with the dean to fix the mistake. For me it ended up ok. The dean was very nice about it. However, I could tell that applying to both is a big NO NO.
 
ItsGavinC said:
Just a reminder to everybody that this original topic is well over 2 years old. 😀

Yah, who brought this up? Med school, puke 🙄
 
jk5177 said:
As someone making a first reply, I really enjoyed reading this whole discussion thread; seeing the humor, the anger, the confusion, and some really heartfelt postings.

I, similar to bubgump is confused between the two programs. To me, I enjoy the biology, the chemistry and the occasional physics involved in the classes I've took. It's really hard to decide exactly what it is that I want to do. As long as I'm involved with sciences, dentistry, medicine, or optometry all seem the same to me.

If science is what gets you excited you should probably not go into any of those fields and get a PhD instead. Yes, you have to have a good understanding of the science behind your practice, but once you've acquired that knowledge it's all about applying it. The healthcare professions are primarily technical in nature. The optometrist sits in his dark room all day asking "1 better, 2 better?", the dentist is a manual laborer - well paid - but still a manual laborer. The physician is a prescription writer.

I promise you the dentist isn't thinking about osteoclasts and osteoblasts when banding up an orthodontic case; the physician isn't going through the chemistry involved when prescribing a medication. They are simply doing what they have been taught to do when presented with a given set of circumstances. I'm NOT saying doctors don't have to think, but the people doing the real science in healthcare are behind the scenes. PhDs working on new drugs, developing new materials, engineering new machines, that's where the science and the real creativity lies.
 
Dr.SpongeBobDDS said:
PhDs working on new drugs, developing new materials, engineering new machines, that's where the science and the real creativity lies.
And the all-embracing boredom that would eventually lead to clinical depression and suicide, for me at least.
 
i think that predents hate when premeds apply to dental school because they have an internal inferiority complex. you guys really should deal with this problem cause it cant be good for you to think that "real doctors" are better than you.
 
Dr.SpongeBobDDS said:
If science is what gets you excited you should probably not go into any of those fields and get a PhD instead. Yes, you have to have a good understanding of the science behind your practice, but once you've acquired that knowledge it's all about applying it. The healthcare professions are primarily technical in nature. The optometrist sits in his dark room all day asking "1 better, 2 better?", the dentist is a manual laborer - well paid - but still a manual laborer. The physician is a prescription writer.

I promise you the dentist isn't thinking about osteoclasts and osteoblasts when banding up an orthodontic case; the physician isn't going through the chemistry involved when prescribing a medication. They are simply doing what they have been taught to do when presented with a given set of circumstances. I'm NOT saying doctors don't have to think, but the people doing the real science in healthcare are behind the scenes. PhDs working on new drugs, developing new materials, engineering new machines, that's where the science and the real creativity lies.

Awesome post...you stole the words right out of me....Im gonna use this post in my other thread.....
 
qaztake82 said:
i think that predents hate when premeds apply to dental school because they have an internal inferiority complex. you guys really should deal with this problem cause it cant be good for you to think that "real doctors" are better than you.

it's not that, but rather ppl who don't really want to be there clouding up the applicant pool. if you don't want to live in this pond, then stay out and hop on over to the med school pool.
 
but regardless if you are a strong applicant no med shcool student applying to dental school should be able to keep you from geting into dental school anyway. As far as those who like tossing the dice and didnt put in the effort to make sure that they are a strong applicant, i dont feel sorry for and hey you deserve to be scared that a med student may take your spot.
 
what do you call a student who failed out of medical school? A dentist.

From Seinfeld.
 
So, bub...what did you decide?
 
Hermit MMood said:
what do you call a student who failed out of medical school? A dentist.

From Seinfeld.

and here I thought they were called gross anatomylab instructors 😀 ... but seriously, I think it would look really bad on one's app to have "failed out of med School" as the reason for wanting to be a dentist; I'n not sure it can be done
 
Hey Bubgump,
I commend you for attempting to apply to both. Anyone who has the drive or desire to go through both application processes has either a lot of time, or alot of motivation. Good luck in whatever you decide, I too was once confused, but like most on this board, I'm absolutely positive in my desire to be a dentist....good luck.
 
dexadental said:
Hey Bubgump,
I commend you for attempting to apply to both. Anyone who has the drive or desire to go through both application processes has either a lot of time, or alot of motivation. Good luck in whatever you decide, I too was once confused, but like most on this board, I'm absolutely positive in my desire to be a dentist....good luck.

I disagree. Pick one field and go with it. It's a shame to see people applying to dental school as a 'backup'..or as a contigency plan. If I were on an interview commitee I would tell students that have applied to both medical and dental school to stop wasting my time and come back to us when their mind is made up.
 
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