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So I posted earlier about taking the MCAT without Physics 2 or O-chem 2 and I got some valuable feedback. Now I need some more. I was always debating on which program to take (in my area it is either Kaplan or Princeton Review). I saw an ad for the Ultimate MCAT by Princeton Review in Austin. Has anyone heard of this program? Are there other programs like it? It looks pretty cool and is really intense…. But major bucks.

Anyhow, if anyone can provide some advice about it I would be grateful. I need to take the MCAT this summer to so I can study abroad all of next year.



Black007
 
I havent heard of it, but whats different when compared to the regular hyperlearning TPR?
 
I took PR hyperlearning, so if it is similar to it than you can use my advice on it! it was during school year too...not a good idea in my opinion...its 3 hrs a day and 4 days a week. But if you are doing it in summer and have good motivation to keep up with it, shud go for it. take it into consideration that you would be studying all day and then at night this lovely classes...just know what you are getting into!

Good luck! 👍
 
I am highly motivated and only want to take this thing once because I will be studying abroad all of next year.

Anyhow, I did some more searching and found a link for it online. It talks about the program and what not.

http://princetonreview.com/medical/testprep/testprep.asp?TPRPAGE=2715&TYPE=MCAT

Basically its intense and I guess you get the best teachers.

Anyhow, I know someone has to know something about it. Once again, any advice is helpful

Black007
 
The course the OP is asking about is not our (Princeton Review's) Hyperlearning course -- it's a new, far more intensive course we're running during the second half of the summer. Start with the Hyperlearning classes and materials, with the classes divided up differently and rewritten somewhat to take advantage of the smaller class size and adjusted over time to accommodate students' abilities; add in additional problem-solving sessions in which an instructor goes over lots of MCAT problems and passages and how to work them; throw in eight full-length computerized exams (which are available in the normal course, too) with a two to three hour review of each test the same day; and finally, have an instructor present in the room whenever students work their homework problems.

The idea is that five weeks (actually, 36 days) of this, with the top-rated instructors in the country in the various subjects, will get you ready for anything. It runs 9 a.m. to 11 p.m. every day (optional study sessions 'til midnight); we've learned, however, that we do need to give breaks to keep people from getting burnt out, so we have various diversions planned, something every few days.

The reason you haven't found anyone who's taken it yet is that we haven't run exactly this course before. It took a confluence of events, including the availability of two of the key instructors in an office that also had housing available in the same building, plus a lot of support from some very experienced and enthusiastic people. But it's happening this July.

To the OP: it's not right for everyone; among other things, it's financially out of reach for most testtakers. But if you want very close, essentially constant help from people who've been teaching these classes for years, you might consider it.

P.S. I'll admit right now, I am a bit biased about the class; if you get the impression that I know a great deal about it, you'd be on the right track...
 
Thanks for the response. I will strongly consider the program. Everyone on this board is so helpful!

Black007
 
Thanks for the response. I will strongly consider the program. Everyone on this board is so helpful!

Black007

Hey there
I also teach for Princeton review, but I took Kaplan (when prepping for my MCAT). Honestly (and I'm not just saying this bc I teach for PR) but with princeton you get more material coverage, and more passage in class practice. For example, when I took kaplan you had three classes per subject. With Princeton I teach 9-10 classes per subject, and then office hours. I don't know about the intensive summer course, but if you have any further ques about the hyperlearning course let me know
good luck:luck:
 
I also took the Kaplan regular course, wasn't too pleased with it-- so that is why I'm considering TPR.
 
comming from a person who has taken the MCAT already and taken a lot of practice tests. Neither Kaplan nor Princeton review are worth the money at all. From what I've seen, Kaplan's practice tests do NOT in any way represent a real MCAT aside from the fact they are on the computer. Princeton review has great review material but thats about it. Buy their books and thats it. The classes are a waste of your study time. Plus by just buying the books you save around 1200 dollars at the least. I'm studying for the MCAT right now and by just reading material I'm learning way more. Oh yea... I forgot to mention that both the administration for PR is horrible. And I have no idea where the heck they pulled their teachers from!!!! Learn from me! just buy a pack of study books (EK, princeton review, ect.)

ps: I'm bitter... but I'm by no means the only one!
 
scdoc, your rant doesn't belong here: this thread is about a cream-of-the-crop offering, with none but the most qualified and experienced instructors. Anyone who thinks at all about prep courses will realize that instructor quality varies. Your nonspecific backhand against Princeton Review instructors might be appropriate elsewhere, but certainly is inapt here in a thread about the company's premium course. One lead instructor has been teaching for us full time for about five years, along with working to develop our materials and to train new teachers; the other lead has been with the company longer, has probably taught more courses in his subjects in the past few years than any other TPR instructor, and also writes our materials and trains new teachers.

ihd: I come right out and state my professional bias -- it's right in my sig. Don't you think you should do the same? It is true that Kaplan has run their course before while this is the first time for ours, but we think our approach, in which every student will get plenty of one-on-one time with each of the instructors, should please many of those looking for an alternative that offered by the marketing juggernaut.
 
Wow! Sounds awesome! Let's continually make medical school inaccessible to the financially disadvantaged by offering $8500 review courses. Sarcasm aside I think that this type of review course distorts the level playing field that the MCAT is supposed to evaluate.

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This course was created by Princeton review for the first time this year in response to Kaplan's Summer Intensive program which has run successfully before in Boston, MA and will run again this year from June 24th to August 6th and goes for 6 weeks (not 5).

Here's a post from one of the instructors in that program:

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?p=5090432#post5090432

It seems like for more money there would be less instruction ~320 hrs vs. 370 hrs with TPR. Furthermore, Kaplan requires you to complete a precourse before entering the program (the usual online course that the offer for MCAT prep).

Granted this is the first time TPR is offering such course, but I would be inclined that they would have to work much harder and everything would be "top-notch" to be able to offer such program again next summer. Kaplan has already done it, so they may be just riding on the success of last year's program.
 
Wow! Sounds awesome! Let's continually make medical school inaccessible to the financially disadvantaged by offering $8500 review courses. Sarcasm aside I think that this type of review course distorts the level playing field that the MCAT is supposed to evaluate.
No argument in principle, but the fact is that the playing field isn't ever going to be level, and it certainly isn't now. The unfairness is in high gear by grade school, as kids from wealthier families get better schooling and other opportunities to improve themselves; it continues apace through high school. (Arguably, things are unfair by the time a prospective MCATer is born, but that's another thread.) That affects what colleges one's likely to get into, and even if it doesn't there are sometimes financial barriers involved in college choice. Very importantly, it also affects how much students have to work during college, which clearly can have a big effect on grades etc. It can also affect the opportunity to do volunteer instead of paid work, which affects the strength of the med school application directly and also has an impact on one's breadth of useful experience.

The application process isn't fair. Wealth begets wealth, and success begets success. If you want to engineer a society in which that isn't true, I'm one of the very few (I suspect) people on this board who would be all in favor of it. But with the structure we live in, it is irrational for an individual not to do everything he or she can to maximize his or her chance of success. And that might mean spending money other people don't have.

(A minor aside: you're off somewhat on the price, though it doesn't change the thrust of the argument.)
 
Good arguement. I mean why did we even abolish slavery? If you were born a slave then oh well stinks for you and you should accept it. What we really need are more disconnected status driven doctors from the middle and upper socioeconomic classes.

The other arguement is that AdComs are starting to weigh the MCAT less and less as it becomes an exam you can pay to do well on.

I am sorry if my figures are incorrect. I think the price is $7000 with $1500 for room and board. Call me crazy but I combined the two assuming people would want a place to stay and something to eat.:hardy:
 
I will agree, prep courses are overpriced and not worth it, but I must say something about Shrike.

They guy is an absolute MCAT stud, and if I were to take any MCAT course, I would take his. (He was one of my MCAT teachers in Dallas. I took half my course in Dallas and half in austin, but after only a few days in austin, I dropped out because the teachers sucked compared to the teachers in Dallas)

Bottom Line: If you are rich, and you don't think you can hack it on your own, Shrike is the best person to be handing your bank roll over to, if god gave you the ability to do well on the MCAT, he will make sure to get it out of you.

I wish I had him teacing me how to ace Step 1, which I take in a few weeks!!!
 
It seems like for more money there would be less instruction ~320 hrs vs. 370 hrs with TPR. Furthermore, Kaplan requires you to complete a precourse before entering the program (the usual online course that the offer for MCAT prep).

Granted this is the first time TPR is offering such course, but I would be inclined that they would have to work much harder and everything would be "top-notch" to be able to offer such program again next summer. Kaplan has already done it, so they may be just riding on the success of last year's program.

I posted a link in my original post that you ought to read that's written by one of the instructors from last year who's teaching again this year. With an average score of over 36 for the 10 instructors, and using the success and learning experience of last year's program to continually improve this next year's and years following, your simple comparison of 320 vs. 370 hours only reinforces that a copycat program that does little more than advertise a higher number will have trouble succeeding.

Regardless, if you want a real number, 10 instructors will be available on-site living with students in the same building M-Su for 6 weeks (not 5 like in TPR), and will be available each day from 8am to 11pm. If you do the math the real instructor access number including tutoring is more like 450 hours. Why say 320? because that's what you'll end up using if you went to all instruction and recommended tutoring.

Lastly, the program goes beyond MCAT by working an admissions component into the weekly schedule. Our lineup includes admissions committee members, personal statement and interview workshop experts, panels of students and doctors in all types of fields within medicine, and even an appearance from someone many of you have heard from here on the forums.

Regarding the facilities themselves, my undestanding is the princeton review austin program runs from the princeton review office and students stay at austin UT dorms. With the kaplan program you go nowhere near a kaplan center, the entire program is self-contained on-site at BU. If you'd like some links, here's what I can offer:

housing: www.ktpforums.com/10buick.wmv (yes the suites have a view of the river and boston and include maid service)
classroom building (across from housing, built last year): http://www.bu.edu/hospitality/buildingphotos.html
campus food: http://www.bu.edu/dbin/dining/westfloor.html
gym/fitness: http://fitrec.bu.edu/facilities/fitrec/features.html#Tsai
more gym pictures: http://fitrec.bu.edu/facilities/fitrec/tour/newgal/index.html

The idea is to take away any variable that might distract you, give you the best ammenities possible, the best staff and instruction (www.kaptest.com/mcatsummer for staff bios), and use the resources of the only program that has 11,000+ questions of available practice content.
 
No argument in principle, but the fact is that the playing field isn't ever going to be level, and it certainly isn't now. The unfairness is in high gear by grade school, as kids from wealthier families get better schooling and other opportunities to improve themselves; it continues apace through high school. (Arguably, things are unfair by the time a prospective MCATer is born, but that's another thread.) That affects what colleges one's likely to get into, and even if it doesn't there are sometimes financial barriers involved in college choice. Very importantly, it also affects how much students have to work during college, which clearly can have a big effect on grades etc. It can also affect the opportunity to do volunteer instead of paid work, which affects the strength of the med school application directly and also has an impact on one's breadth of useful experience.

The application process isn't fair. Wealth begets wealth, and success begets success. If you want to engineer a society in which that isn't true, I'm one of the very few (I suspect) people on this board who would be all in favor of it. But with the structure we live in, it is irrational for an individual not to do everything he or she can to maximize his or her chance of success. And that might mean spending money other people don't have.

(A minor aside: you're off somewhat on the price, though it doesn't change the thrust of the argument.)

I agree with Shrike, I found out today that the Montessori (sp?) school charges $25K a year for 2 year olds to go through pre-school. That doesn't include a $4k charge if you want your kid to do after-school activities.

Fact of the matter is that there are people out there who took loans to tak the Kaplan MCAT program (anything from classroom to the summer intensive) and until the program stops delivering for those that continue to do that, more people will continue to do so to maximize their application with a top MCAT score.
 
I will agree, prep courses are overpriced and not worth it, but I must say something about Shrike.

They guy is an absolute MCAT stud, and if I were to take any MCAT course, I would take his. (He was one of my MCAT teachers in Dallas. I took half my course in Dallas and half in austin, but after only a few days in austin, I dropped out because the teachers sucked compared to the teachers in Dallas)

Bottom Line: If you are rich, and you don't think you can hack it on your own, Shrike is the best person to be handing your bank roll over to, if god gave you the ability to do well on the MCAT, he will make sure to get it out of you.

I wish I had him teacing me how to ace Step 1, which I take in a few weeks!!!
Thank you, automan2; you know me, so you also know how important is to me to do well by my students. That's why I do what I do.

Good luck on the boards -- I'm sure you'll be fine.

[To clarify -- I have moved from Dallas to Austin in the interim.]

To anyone considering this class, please know that it's not a black box: I, the Shrike who has been posting on this board for three years and who co-founded the MCAT Study Question subforum, will be doing more of the teaching in the Ultimate course than anyone else. Whether that's a good thing is a matter of opinion, of course, but if you believe what automan has to say, then I guess...
 
... With an average score of over 36 for the 10 instructors...

Regardless, if you want a real number, 10 instructors will be available ...

Lastly, the program goes beyond MCAT by working an admissions component into the weekly schedule ... and even an appearance from someone many of you have heard from here on the forums.

Regarding the facilities themselves, my undestanding [sic] is the princeton review austin program runs from the princeton review office and students stay at austin UT dorms. With the kaplan program you go nowhere near a kaplan center, the entire program is self-contained on-site at BU...

The idea is to ... give you the best ammenities [sic] possible ... and use the resources of the only program that has 11,000+ questions of available practice content.
ihd (in-house development?): Funny, the OP was asking about TPR's program, not yours. I've tried to refrain from touting our program too much in the thread on the Kaplan program, but given your lengthy advertisement here I need to address some points.

- Average score of 36 for the instructors? Congratulations. We all know that high scores are only a tiny part of being qualified to teach. Our two principal teachers (the TPR program will be much smaller than Kaplan's) have scored a combined 83, but that's not what makes us good: it's the years of experience (minimum five; I note that many of the Kaplan instructors have less than two, and some are actually just graduating from college). It's the literally hundreds of classes we have taught. It's the hours per year -- for example, I taught over 1000 hours in the classroom last year. It's the work in product development -- how many of those ten Kaplan instructors actually write the books? Only one of our Ultimate instructors does not do such work.

How about you list median years of experience for your instructor corps? Or median hours of classes and tutoring? Ours would probably be five years, and at least a couple thousand hours.

- 10 instructors, but for how many students? We will maintain a ratio of about 6 to 1 -- in what sense is a bigger program better? Doesn't that just mean less time with the top guys? With the "guest lecturer" whose picture is at the top of the page? If we get enough enrollment that we exceed that six to one ratio, we'll add somebody else, whose credentials are just as impressive as those cited above.

- all those extra programs? Again, congratulations. But shouldn't your students be studying the material that's actually tested on the MCAT? We will have some similar programs, and will have consultations in application writing and the like available before and after the program; for the most part, however, we expect students to be writing their applications on their own time, probably before they arrive. Our fifteen hours per day is devoted almost exclusively to improving MCAT scores, with appropriate relaxation time. (If you find hearing from panels of med students relaxing, good for you.)

- Facilities? Heaven forfend you get near an office. Our students will not have to leave the building, as their rooms, the food, and the classrooms are all right here. Why it's bad to have office facilities nearby is beyond me.

- Amenities? Um, who cares? Isn't the point to improve the scores? How do those floor-to-ceiling windows cited in the other thread (which you link to) help people get into medical school?

- 11,000 questions? Yep, that'll really help people in a high-intensity, shortened program. I think our several thousand questions will be enough, don't you?

- An appearance by somebody you've heard from on this forum? Wow. Amazing. Somebody from SDN, teaching an MCAT class. Who'd have thought.

With Ultimate, students won't be getting fancy-shmancy facilities with fairly new instructors and an occasional guest lecture from somebody really good. They'll be getting all day, every day attention from two teachers who've had stellar reviews for the past five years. They'll learn their physics and their verbal reasoning from me, not from whichever undergrad they're randomly assigned to. They'll learn their chemistry from Chris Manuel, the only teacher I know who gets higher student satisfaction ratings than I do (darn it). Biology -- again, taught by teachers (including me) who have been at the top of the heap for years. And if it gets big enough to justify it, we'll bring in more of the company's biggest guns.
 
Sounds like ultimate MCAT might be right for me especially given that I won't have physics 2 or O-chem 2 by then. However, maybe I can squeeze in Physics 2 in the first part of the summer. Regardless thanks for the info.

Black007
 
I was looking at an Ultimate MCAT syllabus in our TPR office, and it looks absolutely brutal. How can anyone take that many hours of classes a day?

I would highly suggest you take the regular TPR course. I really didn't like TPR too much in the beginning because I thought their material wasn't very representative of the MCAT because of the greater difficulty of the EK material, but I actually found out that wasn't true. The TPR persons in my city are excellent especially since we have two of the best TPR teachers teaching us. The newer TPR instructors are good for teaching you material, but the premier teachers know all the strategies. Hopefully you'll have at least one premier instructor so you can go to him/her for your test-taking questions. According to Shrike, you'll have all premier teachers for Ultimate MCAT and that sounds pretty awesome, but do you honestly think you can take 8 hours of MCAT learning a day?

I would really suggest taking a 4-5 month course versus a one-month endless cram session. You need time to absorb the material.
 
I posted a link in my original post that you ought to read that's written by one of the instructors from last year who's teaching again this year. With an average score of over 36 for the 10 instructors, and using the success and learning experience of last year's program to continually improve this next year's and years following, your simple comparison of 320 vs. 370 hours only reinforces that a copycat program that does little more than advertise a higher number will have trouble succeeding.

Regardless, if you want a real number, 10 instructors will be available on-site living with students in the same building M-Su for 6 weeks (not 5 like in TPR), and will be available each day from 8am to 11pm. If you do the math the real instructor access number including tutoring is more like 450 hours. Why say 320? because that's what you'll end up using if you went to all instruction and recommended tutoring.

Lastly, the program goes beyond MCAT by working an admissions component into the weekly schedule. Our lineup includes admissions committee members, personal statement and interview workshop experts, panels of students and doctors in all types of fields within medicine, and even an appearance from someone many of you have heard from here on the forums.

Regarding the facilities themselves, my undestanding is the princeton review austin program runs from the princeton review office and students stay at austin UT dorms. With the kaplan program you go nowhere near a kaplan center, the entire program is self-contained on-site at BU. If you'd like some links, here's what I can offer:

housing: www.ktpforums.com/10buick.wmv (yes the suites have a view of the river and boston and include maid service)
classroom building (across from housing, built last year): http://www.bu.edu/hospitality/buildingphotos.html
campus food: http://www.bu.edu/dbin/dining/westfloor.html
gym/fitness: http://fitrec.bu.edu/facilities/fitrec/features.html#Tsai
more gym pictures: http://fitrec.bu.edu/facilities/fitrec/tour/newgal/index.html

The idea is to take away any variable that might distract you, give you the best ammenities possible, the best staff and instruction (www.kaptest.com/mcatsummer for staff bios), and use the resources of the only program that has 11,000+ questions of available practice content.

I really hate the pissing contest of Kaplan versus TPR. Honestly, the programs can only help you so much, you must put forth your own effort. You can self-study and get a 40, but doing these programs just helps guide you a little bit and polish up rough areas.

OP, I assume you're smart enough to realize when someone is trying to give an objective opinion versus shameless advertising. This is an example of the latter. You don't need to bash other programs to credit your own.

Either way, these programs sound like MCAT concentration camps.
 
Don't anyone take what I'm about to say personally...

$7000 + $1500 for a 5 week MCAT program?

LMAO at anyone who would even get involved in a program like that...

Seriously, there's nothing that you people could teach me in 5 weeks that warrants my giving you that much money...

How many points could you possibly add to my MCAT score? I consider myself to be a self starting, motivated applicant, so there is no way that I'd ever even consider taking part in something like that, and frankly, anyone who goes into that program doesn't belong in med school...

Why?

Because they're obviously stupid enough to waste that much money when they can get a couple of books and some AAMC practice tests and do it themself...

What kind of person would be so pitiful as to require that kind of program?

Does anyone else think there is some sort of character flaw with someone that would do that? I can't quite put my finger on it, but for some reason, I would probably say that a student that participates in that program is probably weak minded, lacks a significant amount of motivation, and doesn't belong in the medical field...

This probably sounds really harsh, but it's the God's honest truth. I just don't believe that the ADCOMS would look at you favorably if they found out that you went through an MCAT program that costs that much money, when there are people out there who did it for themself that will more than likely score just as high as you do...

Why would you pay that much money to have someone hold your little hand, when any mature adult with a desire to practice medicine can more than likely get similar results with nothing more than a little self discipline?

Just my two cents gents, so take them for what their worth (which isn't much)...

But seriously, $8500? Bahahahahaah!!!!!!
 
They'll learn their chemistry from Chris Manuel, the only teacher I know who gets higher student satisfaction ratings than I do (darn it).

I must admit, Chris is a badass (and so is Doug, the other guy that teaches there). The price is ridiculous for the average student, but I would take it if I had money to throw around.
 
Don't anyone take what I'm about to say personally...

Quit being a dolt. If someone has that kind of money, I'm sure they'd be willing to spend it. I think this program is really targeted towards the richer population. They pay hundreds of dollars per hour for private tutors. $8500 is not too substantial for them.

Character flaw? I think you have a character flaw if you're trying to discredit an applicant based on how much they spent on prepatory material.

You'd be amazed how much more you learn from a good teacher. I assume you've taken college classes, so you know what I'm talking about.

I really enjoy how people say for persons not to take commentary personally even though it is quite personal. You're attacking a person's character, how can they not take it personally?

I'd like to maintain my anonymity, but I second Chris and Doug as awesome teachers. I have both of them and I learn the most in the subjects they teach.
 
Quit being a dolt. If someone has that kind of money, I'm sure they'd be willing to spend it. I think this program is really targeted towards the richer population. They pay hundreds of dollars per hour for private tutors. $8500 is not too substantial for them.

Character flaw? I think you have a character flaw if you're trying to discredit an applicant based on how much they spent on prepatory material.

You'd be amazed how much more you learn from a good teacher. I assume you've taken college classes, so you know what I'm talking about.

I really enjoy how people say for persons not to take commentary personally even though it is quite personal. You're attacking a person's character, how can they not take it personally?

I'd like to maintain my anonymity, but I second Chris and Doug as awesome teachers. I have both of them and I learn the most in the subjects they teach.

I'm the dolt? Haha, well, if being a dolt means that I'm someone who can get into med school on my own without having to spend almost $10k in test prep, than I stand guilty!

I'm seriously grossed out by this program. Listen, I'm not trying to just stir up trouble here, I'm being dead serious when I tell you that I'm actually grossed out by this program...

Why can't you just get into med school on your own? Why pay $8500 for someone to stay in your face all day and night?

"So man, what did you do for MCAT prep?"
"Well, my parents bought me an $8500 MCAT prep program."
"Haha, are you serious?"
"Yeah."
"Well...what did you score a 45?"
"Nah...I uh...I got a 30."
"Baha! What? I got a 30 as well and all I did was do some self study with a few practice tests and some books. That's ridiculous dude."
"Yeah well...my parents can afford it so they payed for it."
"Right on man..."

An hour later...

"Hey...haha...did you guys hear about what Steve did for MCAT prep? His idiot parents put him in an MCAT program that lasted 5 weeks and it cost them $8500!"
"Get out of here!"
"Seriously! Hahahahaha!!"


But, in all seriousness, I would not be amazed at what I can learn from a great teacher. I have had many great teachers since I've been in school, but none of them are worth that much money. What could they possibly teach you that you couldn't learn on your own throughout your independent test prep?

I say this as someone who has met Dr. Flowers (the MCAT master guy), and attended a seminar of his. Who could you possibly have on the table at that program that would be any better than him? Even he wouldn't get half of that amount from my bank account...

And if anyone here takes what some anonymous guy says on the internet personally, well....I don't know....but that's kind of sad IMO...

Not quite as sad as someone who is willing to shell out close to $10k for MCAT prep, but then again, I'm sure that flock flyes together so...
 
Polynikes, I've sat in stunned silence for a while -- we get that you don't think it would be a good idea, but the venom in your postings is hard to understand. Don't you believe there are some people whose scores would be benefited by intensive help? Shouldn't those people, if they can afford the help, do what they can? And even if not, is it really necessary to laugh at them for thinking otherwise?

You did start me thinking more focusedly about something that's puzzled me for a while: What is the value of an increased MCAT score? I worked up a spreadsheet using some pretty conservative assumptions, and my first estimate came in at a bit under $12,000 per incremental point. The details of my methods are here.

I'm not claiming this means our course, or any other, is worth $12,000: if we had only a 50% chance of improving someone's score versus what he or she could do on his own, and if that score improvement were only a single point, then the value would be only $6000. My point is that it's not only within the realm of possibility, it's likely, that for some people the course makes financial sense.

And note, I haven't even gotten into the non-financial considerations. Leaving money completely out of it, what is becoming a doctor worth to you?
 
Guys and gals, it's great to see such a spirited debate on the never-before discussed question of which test-prep course to take. :beat: While vehemently making your points, please avoid personally attacking other posters; you don't have to call other people idiots in order to disagree with them.

FWIW, I wouldn't spend that kind of money on a test prep course either. But that's based on my own personal values; frankly, becoming a physician isn't worth that much to me. I didn't hate being a chemist badly enough to break the bank trying to get into med school. Other people obviously feel differently, because if they didn't, Kaplan and TPR wouldn't be developing and offering these kinds of courses. :idea: This doesn't just happen at the med school admissions level, either. I don't know about TPR, but Kaplan actually has the same kind of intensive residential course for boards, and for the same hefty price. I can guarantee you that I won't be paying to take that one next year, either. 😎
 
Q,

Thanks for your post.

Foghorn,
I agree it is a lot of money, but I love the idea of studying for one month with the best teachers and hopefully being done with the MCAT. I have read lots of threads on here about people having to retake the test and spending a long time (sometimes over a year) preparing for the MCAT.

I just hope I can do it and learn what I need too without O-chem II... I will be taking Physics II right before the class starts. If I can, this program will be worth much more to me than the price of the program.

Thanks for all the help and information.

Black007
 
Has anyone heard anything about Falcon's summer course?

I was reading about it at FalconMCAT.com

It is a sketchy program. Tried to get more info about 3 months ago, and the guy was out of the office for 3 wks. Then said-- just ask your question about what you need to know.

Good luck.
 
Wow, I think this is crazy. All of the enthusiasm for this course! Spending thousands and thousands of dollars when one could just study by themself... I believe that the only reason (and it can be a good reason for many) to take a prep course is the need for structure. But to need a "boot camp" to force yourself to study is silly. And I'm sure the instructors and everything are great but that's not what's going to make a huge difference taking the test. This seems like a gigantic waste of money for people who have a bit of discipline. Yes it takes hundreds of hours to prepare for the MCAT, but they don't need to be supervised.
 
Well I understand the importance of doing well on this exam, but I believe that the prep courses are a bit of a waste. I took out a loan for the Kaplan Prep course for the April 2006 exam and had a range of 29-34 on my exams, but on the real exam I bombed it with a 23 because I didn't sleep the night before, and was just doing everything to keep awake and focused during the exam. Also, I had my Physics II fourth exam that Friday night before the MCAT, so my nerves were shot well before I stepped into the room. Overall I felt that much of Kaplan's prep in class was oversimplified and its homework was based on unrealistically hard questions and scenarios including their practice tests with their strange curves (90% would be a 15 on PS).

I retook the exam on May 31st, which really blew, in a town 300 miles away from where I live and am waiting on my fate. Regardless, I feel that events leading up to the exam can have an impact on your experience during the test and might result in a score unrepresentative of your abilities.
 
I had up and down scores on MCAT scores and am thinking to take TPR Ultimate MCAT Intensive Progran starting next week. I have to decide next Monday. Has anyone taken the class? Any improvement on scores?

Thanks!
 
As for part of the OP's original question. I took the MCAT without having taken Physics 2. I took TPR Hyperlearning and with the materials they give you, I was able to teach myself all that I needed to know. I found that for me, the time I spent in the classroom each night was kind of wasted, but I found their books pretty priceless. The lecture portion is great for some, just not for me.
 
This is my first post on here. I studied abroad all of last year and am just now applying to medical school. I must say the information on here is great.

I took the Ultimate MCAT course last summer as well. Here are my thoughts.

Just like the OP mentions, I had not taken O-chem 2 yet. I spoke with one the lead instructors beforehand (I thought there were 3, but maybe I am mistaken), and he said I should be ok and turned out to be right. For me, I don't think I could have done it without Physics 2 though. However, as someone has mentioned the books were great and would probably help you out.

As for the program itself, I thought it was great. There were definitely some personality clashes between students as well as a few students and teachers. The teachers were awesome and really went out of their way to help students out. I completely disagree with the poster who said the teachers didn't care about the students. I freaked out about my 2nd test score and one of the teachers took the time to sit down with me and talk me through it. In fact, I have e-mailed one of my teachers my personal statement to look it over. They were always available for extra help and repeatedly said come to them if you were having trouble. I guess each person is going to have their own thoughts and I respect that.

My teachers knowledge was great and they were definitely not uptight and liked to have fun. Some students in the program didn't like to have fun at all and were looking for a very serious, no frills program. I think this program is designed for students to have some fun in the classroom while still learning a lot. From what I have been told this how Princeton Review runs their MCAT courses.

We were grouped into 3 groups. The groupings were not random and were done to help each of us based on learning ability. My group was great and I still talk to several people from it. Almost all of them did see improvement from previous MCAT scores and those of us that hadn't taken the MCAT before were happy. (I guess I had different friends from the previous poster) I personally went up over 10 points from my first test and made above 30 on the real MCAT. A few of my friends only went up 2 or 3 points though from their previous MCAT. They were happy, however, because they went from a 26 to a 29 (or similar) and became competitive for medical school. A few didn't go up at all though. One of them had a very similar experience to a previous poster and bombed for reasons outside of content. I completely agree with them that sometimes events leading up to the exam can have a devastating impact on your MCAT score.

Was it worth it? For me, it absolutely was. For other people it wasn't. I think if you are looking for a program that is intense with funny/engaging instructors who really know their stuff Ultimate MCAT is a great program. I am sure that Kaplans summer program is the same. No matter what some people are going to be happy with a program (TPR, Kaplan, Excamcrackers, Berkeley Review or whomever), and others aren't.

BlueDuck09
 
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