Have EM boards;currently anesthesia res;Need Pain fellowship advice

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I am looking for advice on starting a pain practice without fellowship after completing anesthesia training VS. foregoing remaining 1 1/2 years of anesthesia training and doing pain fellowship now (am already board certified in emergency medicine)
 
I am looking for advice on starting a pain practice without fellowship after completing anesthesia training VS. foregoing remaining 1 1/2 years of anesthesia training and doing pain fellowship now (am already board certified in emergency medicine)

i am sure i am pretty ignorant on the matter, but i did not think you could enter an accredited pain fellowship unless you completed a residency in anesthesiology, physiatry, neurology, or psychiatry.
 
I thought as of last year the fellowships were pretty much opened up to anyone; that is anyone who could get a spot. Altough, typically easier from the above mentioned specialties. Would have to recheck that info, I think its posted somewere in the ACGME website.
 
I am looking for advice on starting a pain practice without fellowship after completing anesthesia training VS. foregoing remaining 1 1/2 years of anesthesia training and doing pain fellowship now (am already board certified in emergency medicine)

This is just my opinion, but I don't think a residency in anesthesiology (or neuro or PM&R and certainly not IM, EM, FM, etc.) really prepares you for life as a pain physician. It's such a unique subspecilty that you really need the training provided during fellowship. Now having said that, there are plenty of pain physicians who didn't receive fellowship training, but for the most part, it was because no fellowships were available (ours is a very young subspecialty). However, there are no short cuts and I'm sure they spent just as much, if not more, time and effort into educating themselves. I'll bet most of them would tell you to do the fellowship.

Also, some facilities (for example...my hospital) now require fellowship training just to get privileges. Additionally, I know of at least one insurer who requires not just fellowship training, but ACGME fellowship training. I only found out because this particular carrier was refusing to add me to their approved provider list because "my fellowship wasn't ACGME accredited". Of course, they were wrong. I gave them the documentation they asked for and by the end of the day I was on their list, but it's pretty obvious it was a policy designed to decrease expenditures for interventional procedures.

As to the other question about doing a fellowship now, yes, fellowships are now "open" to everyone, but that doesn't mean very much. The competition is fierce and you must be a competitive candidate. I could be wrong, but I think you'll have a very hard time obtaining a fellowship without completing your anesthesia residency.
 
I believe there is a pain fellow currently at MGH who did an EM residency.
 
PainDr, which carrier was it that required ACGME-approved fellowship training? one of the giants, like kaiser or united?

"Additionally, I know of at least one insurer who requires not just fellowship training, but ACGME fellowship training. I only found out because this particular carrier was refusing to add me to their approved provider list because "my fellowship wasn't ACGME accredited"."
 
I don't remember...I'll have to ask my ofc mgr and get back with you.
 
once you do an acgme approved pain fellowship - does it matter what kinda of residency you did?
 
once you do an acgme approved pain fellowship - does it matter what kinda of residency you did?

I think the type of jobs may vary with your background. There are some anesthesiology practices that want you to take OR call as part of a group. PM&R pain specialists tend to work with orthopedic and neuro surgeons. Your residency gives you some additional skill sets that you can market when you look for a job (i.e. EMGs for PM&R, OR stuff for anesthesia)
 
I don't remember...I'll have to ask my ofc mgr and get back with you.

The carrier that required ACGME fellowship training was Preferred Community Choice (PPO) and Community Care (HMO). They're a local carrier out of Tulsa.
 
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