Too many physicians in the Atlantic Magazine

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In between watching the 4th season of the wire on my ipod, somewhere in the 28 hour adventure from leaving Philadelphia yesterday morning to being stranded in Chicago last night and finally to Vegas this afternoon I read a really interesting article concerning the need for primary care. It kind of goes against everything we've been hearing about the upcoming lack of physicians.

good read either way

http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/prem/200712/health-care

you'll need a subscription to read the whole article. But since I just got one, here you go

The health-care crisis no candidate is addressing? Too many doctors

by Shannon Brownlee
Overdose

When we look back on the health-care plans of the 2008 campaign, we may wonder that no one chose to face up to one of the most troubling recent developments in American medicine. Yes, various presidential hopefuls have put forth plans containing detailed provisions to cover the uninsured, bring down costs, and improve the astonishingly uneven quality of health care. But no candidate has discussed the most dramatic change now under way in our medical system, a change that may negate many of the benefits of the plans on offer: the flood of new doctors coming down the pipeline.

Over the next eight years, medical schools are aiming to boost enrollment by as much as 30 percent above 2002 levels. More than a dozen new medical schools are being built or considered, and many of the nation's 125 existing schools are planning to expand—increasing the number of doctors minted each year from 16,000 to nearly 21,000. This expansion represents a stunning policy reversal by the Association of American Medical Colleges and the Council on Graduate Medical Education, which advises the federal government on how many residency positions to fund. Over the past 15 years, both organizations have raised concerns about the number of medical-school graduates, in the belief that having trained too many doctors in the 1970s and '80s, we would see a glut of physicians. Now the AAMC is warning that we'll be at least 100,000 doctors short by 2025 unless we hurry up and train more.

Behind the change of heart lies a cadre of economists and physicians who argue that demographic changes will make doctors scarce. First and foremost, they say, the population is expanding and the Baby Boomers are aging, resulting in more people to care for—especially more old and sick people. Doctors are aging too, and many are retiring. Add to that a decline in the number of hours physicians are willing to put in each day and a few incipient signs of a shortage (notably longer waiting times for appointments and rising salaries for young doctors), and the conclusion that we should expand the physician workforce seems like a no-brainer.

And it would be, if not for all the complications. Those incipient signs, many experts note, may suggest something other than a shortage, and the projections for the number of doctors we'll need aren't all that clear-cut. Some experts would even go so far as to suggest we need fewer doctors, not more. Elliott Fisher, a physician and researcher at the Center for Evaluative Clinical Sciences at Dartmouth Medical School, quipped at a recent gathering at the Institute of Medicine, "If we sent 30 percent of the doctors in this country to Africa, we might raise the level of health on both continents."

The physician workforce estimates rest on two critical assumptions, both of which are probably wrong.

The first is that the number of doctors practicing today is about right and that the market would send signals if supply were exceeding demand. This seems sensible enough, at least on the face of it. For most goods and services, after all, supply in any given community is limited by demand, a measure both of how much consumers need or want the product and of how able they are to pay for it. The number of car dealers in your town, for instance, depends on the number of people who want cars and can afford them.

The ability of patients to pay does help determine the number of doctors in any given community; physicians tend to congregate in places where incomes are higher and patients are more likely to be insured. (And to be sure, physicians are in short supply in parts of the country where relatively few people have health insurance, especially rural areas.) But the other component of demand—how much health care patients want or need—has far less influence over the supply of physicians. That's because for the most part it's your doctor and not you, the consumer, who determines how much care you receive. When your doctor says you need a CT scan, you get one. When your doctor says you should go to the hospital, you go. Doctors, in effect, generate some of the demand for their services, so that even when there are large numbers of them per capita, they can keep their appointment books full. There is a growing consensus among health-care analysts that this perverse feature of medical economics is spurring a great deal of unnecessary care. And there's a corollary: New physicians won't necessarily go to (poor, rural) places that may need doctors. Many will go to affluent areas and places featuring a high "quality of life"—in other words, places already awash in physicians—where they'll generate even more demand.

The second assumption underlying the push to train more doctors is that an increase can only lead to better health, so that as long as the market can support new physicians financially, we should create more of them. This idea also rests on shaky ground. A wealth of data suggests that health care is actually no better (and if anything, worse) in parts of the country, like Manhattan and Los Angeles, where we have very high numbers of doctors and, in particular, very high numbers of specialists. In a paper published last year in the journal Health Affairs, David Goodman and his colleagues at Dartmouth's Center for the Evaluative Clinical Sciences examined care at academic medical centers—the hospitals that are associated with medical schools, considered the crème de la crème of American medicine. They tallied the number of doctors caring for Medicare recipients who were suffering from one or more chronic diseases and were in their last six months of life. The variation was enormous.

Medical centers at the high end, like UCLA and New York University Hospital, employed on average two to three times as many doctors per patient as did hospitals at the low end. But these high-end hospitals did not produce better outcomes than hospitals using relatively few doctors, like the Mayo Clinic, Duke, and Stanford. Other studies show that these latter hospitals consistently deliver higher-quality care—and not just to dying patients—using fewer physicians. And the cost of care is much lower.

Why would more doctors lead to worse care, and fewer doctors to better care? More tests and procedures always entail more risk, and for care that's unnecessary, the ratio of benefit to risk is zero. What's more, where numerous doctors, particularly specialists, are routinely involved in a patient's case, the potential for miscommunication and confusion multiplies. Modern medicine should be a team sport, but it is often practiced as if everybody is running a different play. Different doctors order duplicative tests, prescribe drugs that interact poorly with what the patient is already taking, and assume another physician will attend to a critical aspect of a patient's care. A cardiologist can be a virtuoso at slipping a stent into the coronary artery of a patient in the throes of a heart attack, but if she leaves it to another physician to prescribe aspirin to her patient—one of the most effective treatments for preventing a second heart attack—that prescription might fall through the cracks.

This is what appears to be happening in many hospitals, where the ratio of specialists to primary-care physicians is especially high. In one recent study, two Harvard economists—Katherine Baicker, of the School of Public Health, and Amitabh Chandra, of the Kennedy School of Government—examined how the quality of care in different states varied as the proportion of specialists rose. They found that measures of quality, like the percentage of heart-attack patients who received a prescription for aspirin, tended to fall in direct proportion to a rising ratio of specialists. The point, says Chandra, "is not that the specialist is inferior, but that the system is not accounting for the ‘coordination cost' specialists are imposing."

Medical schools are now graduating more and more specialists and fewer and fewer primary-care physicians. Between 1997 and 2005, the number of U.S. medical graduates entering family-practice residencies fell by 50 percent, as young doctors headed for more-lucrative specialties like orthopedic surgery and radiology. "The problem is, primary care has never been loved by the deans of medical schools or by the teaching hospitals," says Dartmouth's David Goodman. As the total number of doctors rises and the proportion of primary-care doctors falls, we're likely to see the quality of care deteriorate further and the cost of care increase rapidly.

The imbalance between specialists and primary-care physicians could be mitigated by changes in physician pay. Medicare, for instance, could raise its low reimbursement rates for primary-care visits (and lower its rates for specialist services), so that more young doctors would view primary care as an attractive career. Two primary-care professional organizations have proposed a plan to ensure that every patient has a primary-care physician, who is paid extra to coordinate the patient's various doctors. In the meantime, patients might want to pay attention to the mix of doctors at their local hospital and compare how the quality of care measures up.

As for the rising number of physicians being trained, the remedy is simple: Turn the spigot back off, or at least close it partway. The groups now calling for more physicians should come up with better evidence that all those new doctors are not going to simply drive up costs.
 
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I think there probably are too many specialists. Unfortunately, the prospect of a more lucrative career will always sway students. The article is right in that if we increase the reimbursement to primary care physicians and decrease it to specialists, it can go a long way to right the imbalance.
 
I think there probably are too many specialists. Unfortunately, the prospect of a more lucrative career will always sway students. The article is right in that if we increase the reimbursement to primary care physicians and decrease it to specialists, it can go a long way to right the imbalance.


Amen to that👍
 
More than a dozen new medical schools are being built or considered

Thats not even close to being right. The actual number of new/planned medical schools since 2002 is 34 and counting. That includes both DO and MD programs. Most mainstream articles totally ignore DOs and pretend they dont exist.

and many of the nation’s 125 existing schools are planning to expand

Why are they ignoring DO schools here? The total number of med schools is around 150, not 125.

—increasing the number of doctors minted each year from 16,000 to nearly 21,000.

My projections show a higher increase than that. Just the 34 new schools by themselves will put out around 5,000 new grads per year (over a 25% increase). If you include the existing programs which are expanding at many schools nationwide, that number could jump up to 7,000 or higher.

Here's a list of the 34 new med schools:

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=277016
 
Dear Superfan56 and other doctors,

Thanks for reading my story in the Atlantic Monthly. Sorry about missing the schools of osteopathy. It wasn't through any antipathy for osteopaths, just a fact checking error. And yes, the analysis in the journal Health Affairs is more sophisticated -- it's a different audience -- but the central ideas are similar, and the implications of those ideas will have enormous impact on your careers as doctors in the coming years.

Rising numbers of physicians will exacerbate the problem of rising health care costs and add to the significant and troubling problem of poor quality in our medical system. The world of medicine you see around you now, as students, interns, and residents, will have to change significantly if we're going to get a grip on costs and improve quality, and one of the things that will have to change is the way you are paid. I don't see any future for fee for service unless it is under the salaried group practice model used in places like the Mayo Clinic. For those of you thinking about going into the super-specialties, this could easily mean far less income than many specialists currently enjoy.

Anyway, thanks for reading the piece, and thanks for becoming doctors. I know it is a long slog!
 
Dear Superfan56 and other doctors,

Thanks for reading my story in the Atlantic Monthly. Sorry about missing the schools of osteopathy. It wasn't through any antipathy for osteopaths, just a fact checking error. And yes, the analysis in the journal Health Affairs is more sophisticated -- it's a different audience -- but the central ideas are similar, and the implications of those ideas will have enormous impact on your careers as doctors in the coming years.

Rising numbers of physicians will exacerbate the problem of rising health care costs and add to the significant and troubling problem of poor quality in our medical system. The world of medicine you see around you now, as students, interns, and residents, will have to change significantly if we're going to get a grip on costs and improve quality, and one of the things that will have to change is the way you are paid. I don't see any future for fee for service unless it is under the salaried group practice model used in places like the Mayo Clinic. For those of you thinking about going into the super-specialties, this could easily mean far less income than many specialists currently enjoy.

Anyway, thanks for reading the piece, and thanks for becoming doctors. I know it is a long slog!

At the risk of appearing arrogant I would like to ask you what your academic and professional credentials are?
 
Ms Brownlee,

I for one wish to applaud you for speaking the truth on this matter. The amount of piss poor knee-jerk assumptions being made on teh doctor supply situation is apphauling. Everybody is just repeating the same poorly thought out mantra of "doctor shortage" without really analyzing the situation.

Please continue to publish this kind of work.
 
Obnoxious Dad,

I know doctors take great stock in credentials, so I'm happy to supply mine. I'm a fellow at a think tank in Washington, DC, and therefore considered a "public intellectual." I have a master's in biology, and I've been reporting on science and medicine for 25 years 9with a brief stint as a staff writer at Sports Illustrated). I've won nearly every major award you can win as a magazine medical and science journalist except the National Magazine Award, which galls me no end. I've delivered lectures on the topics of health care, medical evidence, and conflict of interest for physician and lay audiences.
 
Im glad he asked for her credentials-

Good article- I agree with most of it.
 
I am puzzled.

The number of residencies is not increasing.

The increase in medical school seats will therefore NOT result in an increase in the number of physicians, but only increase the pressure at the residency bottleneck, and, probably, change the ratio of U.S. of trained physicians to foreign trained ones. It may also result in a larger number of medical school graduates who will fail to match.

Again, no increase in the number of licensed physicians will result from increased medical school enrollment with a static number of residencies.

The 'Atlantic' article appears to ignore, or be ignorant of this basic fact.
 
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I am puzzled.

The number of residencies is not increasing.

The increase in medical school seats will therefore NOT result in an increase in the number of physicians, but only increase the pressure at the residency bottleneck, and, probably, change the ratio of U.S. of trained physicians to foreign trained ones. It may also result in a larger number of medical school graduates who will fail to match.

Again, no increase in the number of licensed physicians will result from increased medical school enrollment with a static number of residencies.

The 'Atlantic' article appears to ignore, or be ignorant of this basic fact.


it depends where you are, certain states like nevada have increased residencies. But only because they are in such a shortage right now, those residency positions are permanant.
 
In between watching the 4th season of the wire on my ipod, somewhere in the 28 hour adventure from leaving Philadelphia yesterday morning to being stranded in Chicago last night and finally to Vegas this afternoon I read a really interesting article concerning the need for primary care. It kind of goes against everything we've been hearing about the upcoming lack of physicians.

good read either way

http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/prem/200712/health-care

you'll need a subscription to read the whole article. But since I just got one, here you go

Mrs. Brownlee, I think you made some interesting points about the current health-care crsis, and I respect how you brought a different prespective to health care, although your view might be difficult to believe by most health care providers. As a pre-medical student, I also believe that one of the biggest challenges in medicine today is the shortage of physicians in geriatric care and underserved areas. So to hear that there are just too many physicians out there to treat patients seems counter-intuitive for me. Anyway, as I was reading your fascinating article and came upon these two sentences stating, "Doctors are aging too, and many are retiring. Add to that a decline in the number of hours physicians are willing to put in each day and a few incipient signs of a shortage," it would be really interesting to see some statistics on the average age of retired doctors compares to other occupations and the number of hours physicians work on periodical basis. Furthmore, I think you can make your argument stronger by addressing the insurance companies that physicians have to deal with daily. When I was shadowing several physicians, I noticed that one of the challenges that faces health care today is the physician's inability to treat patients based on health needs. Some physicians can not prescribe certain medication or procedure to their patients because insurance companies, Medicare/Medicaid, will not cover it. Ergo, physicians will not be able to treat patients based on health needs, but instead treatments will be dictated by insurance companies. Is it because there is more elderly people and a lack of sufficient financial resources? Is it because the U.S. health care system is based on old and outdated policies and probably need a reform to fix the current crisis? Possibly. I know you have more experiences and knowledge when it comes to health care policies in the United States; however, I feel better and comfortable hearing more empirical data and your views on insurance companies having effects on physicians.