ROLs this year?

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In past years, the fourth year med students would post their rank lists around this time (or actually a little bit earlier). The board would also be flooded with conversation about the pros-cons of each place....but this year I've heard almost nothing from you guys.....

MS4s make up a much smaller portion of our active online surgical community than they used to.

Are you guys afraid to share in case PDs are spying?

Are you turned off from the board by endless tough-guy "in my day" talk from the senior residents that post here?

Did making the interview listings anonymous this year prevent newly-joined gunners from emerging?

Are there just less people going through the surgery match this year?



No matter what the cause, I encourage you guys to share. This is usually a fun but anxiety-filled time of year on the surgery boards, but there's almost no talk of the match, and I'm getting pretty bored reading our current topics.

Sure, I could just do something else, but there's only so many websites that aren't blocked at the hospital here, and I still remember when SDN was kind of fun............
 
I agree, not sure why there haven't been as many posts this year (but it shouldn't be that the interview thread is "anonymous" - that was an option for the paranoid, not a requirement).

Why so cranky tonight (seeing your other post here)? 😕
 
1- Mayo Scottsdale
I'll post the rest when the others start posting 😀
 
mainly...laziness more than anything....Definitely did read the 2007 and 2006 interview/match threads for GS though. Wasn't gung ho enough to start the thread. =)


1. Minnesota
2. Northwestern
3. Hennepin County
4. MCW
5. Brown
6. Indiana
7. Louisville
8. Yale
9. UTSW
10. Loyola
11. OSU
12. New Mexico
13. Maine Medical Center
14. Nebraska
15. Kansas
16. Baystate
17. Inova Fairfax
 
There's a lot of senior people on the board. I mean, after WS or one of our other seniors write, no M4 is going to jump into the fray. So, we don't have a place to talk about really junior level stuff like match lists. Heck, even the intern forums are posted on primarily by two nurses, a couple of interns, and our senior residents. I'm not sure there's much you can do about it; it's just part of the dynamic that develops in communities, and I'm sure it will change with time as we get newer people on and some of our more senior people get busy.

Anka
 
ok guys let's see those lists 👍
 
Thanks XoQo Impressive list you got there
 
Been too lazy to type up the whole thing...But if it helps future SDNers, then why not... 🙂 Lemme start out by saying I am an FMG who wasn't even sure if I will get ANY interviews but somehow I lucked out. Got 21 categorical interviews, attended 20 of them, ranked all 20.

1. NYMC St. Vincents Manhattan
2. SUNY Buffalo
3. SUNY Upstate Syracuse
4. Maimonides Med
5. New York Medical Center Queens/Cornell
6. University of Mississippi
7. Medical College of Wisconsin
8. UMDNJ-Camden
9. LSU-Shreveport
10. Tulane University
11. St. Johns Hospital(Detroit)
12. St. Elizabeths(Youngstown)
13. Albert Einstein(Philly)
14. Hospital of St. Raphael
15. NYMC Our Lady of Mercy
16. Pinnacle Health(Harrisburg)
17. Easton Hospital
18. NYMC Brooklyn-Queens
19. Seton Hall
20. NYMC Soundshore

Probably not as impressive as most of the other lists but I will take whatever I can get. 👍
To be honest, I will be happy if I end up anywhere in my Top 13. After that, the quality of programs drastically drops.
 
1. Baylor Houston
2. UTSW
3. Minnesota
4. UT Houston
5. Indiana
6. Cincinnati
7. Mayo Rochester
8. UTMB

In making the ROL level of training got the highest weight, followed closely by location, then academic prestige, then the rest.
 
There's a lot of senior people on the board. I mean, after WS or one of our other seniors write, no M4 is going to jump into the fray. So, we don't have a place to talk about really junior level stuff like match lists. Heck, even the intern forums are posted on primarily by two nurses, a couple of interns, and our senior residents. I'm not sure there's much you can do about it; it's just part of the dynamic that develops in communities, and I'm sure it will change with time as we get newer people on and some of our more senior people get busy.

Anka

That doesn't make any sense to me. Why would my postings or that of senior residents prevent students from posting their match lists? Heck, I have posted the interview threads...hardly anyone posted in it and it would seem from the responses here that its more laziness than anything.

This entire forum is for ALL levels: students interested in surgery (we even have HS students posting), residents, attendings, etc. Do you feel like medical students aren't welcome here? It was always my impression that having senior people posting in a specialty forum was a GOOD thing...it was a major complaint for a long time, that once people get into residency and beyond, they leave SDN. Now you're implying that's a problem? 😕

I don't think we need to separate the forum into "junior level stuff" and "senior level stuff"; no other specialty forum does that and it would only serve to further fracture our community. It is true that the more senior level people are more active here but I haven't sensed that they/I do not welcome students or junior residents. And the Intern and Gen Res forums are populated by the same people because that's who posts there; others are obviously welcome.

I understand that medical students may not feel welcome in certain threads but that shouldn't apply to the entire forum. And its only appropriate that they (students) recognize that they don't really know what its like to be a surgery resident, so if there's any that are unwelcome its those who insist, without any experience, that they know what its like. Similarly, most of the more senior residents and myself don't know intricacies of the match or the junior ABSITE, etc. I think we can learn from each other but we don't mean to make students feel unwelcome here.
 
Maybe after I match I'll write reviews of them all. I thought the resources on this website were incredibly helpful and I wanna give back. I'd be happy if I end up at any of my top 10.

1. Scott and White(Temple, Tx)
2. Methodist Hospital of Dallas
3. Baylor Dallas
4. Iowa Methodist(Des Moines, IA)
5. University of Kansas Wichita
6. Mt. Carmel(Columbus, OH)
7. UC Davis
8. Grand Rapids Michigan
9. Eastern Tennesse State Univ
10.Riverside Methodist Hospital(Columbus, OH)
11. St. Josephs (Ann Arbor, Michigan)
12.Good Samaritan (Cincinnati, OH)
13. Wright State
14. SUNY Buffalo
15. OSU
16. UTSW
 
There's a lot of senior people on the board. I mean, after WS or one of our other seniors write, no M4 is going to jump into the fray. So, we don't have a place to talk about really junior level stuff like match lists. Heck, even the intern forums are posted on primarily by two nurses, a couple of interns, and our senior residents.

That's true that there are a lot of senior residents on this board, but I think that that's a plus. When I had questions about specialty choice, med school, etc, those senior people were willing to help, and wrote me great advice. I don't know if I could have gotten that kind of help in real life - who gets the opportunity to speak so honestly with their attendings/fellows/residents? It's great to ask for (and receive) frank advice from people who are never going to grade me. 😀

And there are threads where I don't have anything to add (because I don't have the experience), but I've found that reading those threads is thought-provoking and eye opening. They also help me understand my residents' lives a little better, so I can understand the things that stress them out.

I don't think that the presence of senior residents should deter people from posting their lists. I mean, who better to get feedback from - residents who know more about programs, or your fellow 4th year med students?
 
I'm not saying it's a bad thing. It's simply true for me. Just like I act differently when there's an attending in the room IRL, I talk about different subjects when there's more senior people around. I find the advice from the more senior people very useful -- which makes me shut up and listen rather than talk about what my match list is. For one thing, why would anyone care what my match list was?

Anka
 
The reason I think that people haven't posted a lot about criticism of programs, etc is b/c I think the game has changed. The interview trail was tense this year, everyone is aware that application numbers are at their highest level in decades and it has made everyone sensitive to any potential ways to weaken their prospective chances. This has also been coupled with the realization that everything on the internet is fair game nowadays...I know that I had interviewers specifically mention THIS FORUM during interviews and there is just no way that I will ever criticize a program on this thread until after I match. Just my two cents.
 
The reason I think that people haven't posted a lot about criticism of programs, etc is b/c I think the game has changed. The interview trail was tense this year, everyone is aware that application numbers are at their highest level in decades and it has made everyone sensitive to any potential ways to weaken their prospective chances. This has also been coupled with the realization that everything on the internet is fair game nowadays...I know that I had interviewers specifically mention THIS FORUM during interviews and there is just no way that I will ever criticize a program on this thread until after I match. Just my two cents.

Are numbers really the highest level in decades? What is this based on? Your residency program or are their national numbers out there? Just curious.
 
I'm not saying it's a bad thing. It's simply true for me. Just like I act differently when there's an attending in the room IRL, I talk about different subjects when there's more senior people around. I find the advice from the more senior people very useful -- which makes me shut up and listen rather than talk about what my match list is. For one thing, why would anyone care what my match list was?

Anka

Human interest I guess. I find it interesting to see who is going where, who is coming here, etc.
 
Are numbers really the highest level in decades? What is this based on? Your residency program or are their national numbers out there? Just curious.

I've heard it too at many different programs, but I wonder how much of it is an artifact of us all being told things are more competative in the past (i.e., if you usually have 100 students all applying to 10 places, but then the next year's students get all paranoid and all apply to 20, then each individual program feels like they're getting a lot more applications although the total number of students applying hasn't changed all that much).

Anka
 
I know that I had interviewers specifically mention THIS FORUM during interviews and there is just no way that I will ever criticize a program on this thread until after I match. Just my two cents.

Same here. And even after the match I probably wouldn't say too much critical.
 
I'll put mine out there...good luck to everyone. 26 apps, 16 invites, 10 interviews, 9 ranked.

1. Michigan
2. UVA
3. Emory
4. Duke
5. Florida
6. UNC
7. Wake Forest
8. Louisville
9. Dartmouth
 
As someone who has gone through the match and now sees things from the other end as an interviewer, I hope people keep this thread up! I think it's interesting to see where people liked, and where they didn't and the variability in program types that people had. Just in the posts that have already been put up, some programs are consistently high, others low, and others totally variable. It also helps MS 3's who may be starting to think about where they would like to go.

To those submitting their lists... don't sweat the "interviewers have specifically mentioned this forum"... If anything, I suspect the these came from when programs have been specifically bad-mouthed by name publicly in this forum. As long as the positives are mentioned in the threads and PM's ("why did you like X or Y to rank that high"), and not slamming low ranked or unranked programs, then there should be no cause to worry. I know of at least two PD's who are way too busy to bother trying to figure out which MS4 ranked them 12th instead of 10th in an anonymous website.
 
Why so cranky tonight (seeing your other post here)? 😕

You're right....I'm a little cranky....long call night, I guess, but I'm also just kind of frustrated with the lack of variety on this board, and that some of the "dominant players" make a lot of Surgery Cookie-Cutter aggressive/arrogant/dismissive/judgmental comments that are likely scaring people away.

This entire forum is for ALL levels: students interested in surgery (we even have HS students posting), residents, attendings, etc. Do you feel like medical students aren't welcome here? It was always my impression that having senior people posting in a specialty forum was a GOOD thing...it was a major complaint for a long time, that once people get into residency and beyond, they leave SDN. Now you're implying that's a problem? 😕
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That's true, but most posts with questions are met with a certain level of apprehension. Someone posted about surgery work hours, and was criticized for being lazy, and advised to go into a "more p##sy" specialty.

Students who disagree with us about the mission statement of surgery residency are criticized for being a lazy "shift work" doctor, while those that agree with us are quickly reminded that "son, you have no idea what it's like, so STFU."

I guess overall we've created a forum that is way more intimidating than it needs to be. It is a virtual ward, where hierarchy exists, and the student should not speak until spoken to, etc. And honestly, it's bulls@#t.

A couple months ago, a senior resident poster tried to chastise me for responding critically to his post because I should have "more respect for my senior residents." OH MY GOD ARE YOU KIDDING ME?!? I respect everyone on this board (to some degree anyway), but his level of training means absolute d$ck to me as far as how I'm going to address his internet postings.

Students can tiptoe around their residents in real life....they should be allowed a little latitude here on the internet. After all, it is the Student Doctor Network.

Something to think about.....
 
This year the applications to general surgery residencies have increased by 20% !!!!! Exact info
 
This year the applications to general surgery residencies have increased by 20% !!!!! Exact info

Does that reflect more people or more applications per person? Every year since '06, and probably every year for the next 10 or so, program coordinators will be saying "things are getting way more competitive, applications are way up." I've heard it every year, anyway, despite recent stats that show last year was down.

Either way, it's obvious that surgery is more competitive than it was 5 years ago, and students are having to work a little harder......I know that 2 years ago I personally went on 14 interviews, and in hindsight I realized that it wasn't as hard as I thought to match somewhere good, and I could have saved a little time, energy, and $$$.
 
I was looking for advice with making my rank list, but didn't find anything online (I'm new to SDN). My school doesn't give much advice other than "I wouldn't apply to a program that doesn't require a research year," and I don't necessarily agree with that philosophy. Even though it's a little late, I'd welcome some feedback on my list since it's probably different than most people would have made it.

1- Cornell
2- NYU
3- Montefiore (Bronx)
4- Beth Israel (Manhattan)
5- St. Vincent's (Manhattan)
6- UMDNJ Newark
7- Methodist (Brooklyn)
8- RWJ (New Brunswick)
9- Jefferson
10- Downstate
11- Temple
12- RWJ (Camden)
13- NY Hospital Queens
14- Stony Brook
15- Lankenau (community outside of Phila)
16- Morristown
17- Drexel
18- Our Lady of Mercy

I had to cancel some interviews that conflicted with these dates. I also interviewed at Einstein in Philadelphia, Brookdale in Brooklyn, and NYMC Brooklyn-Queens Program, but did not rank them.

If anyone has experiences with any of these programs, please give me the inside scoop!!
 
1-Mt Sinai
2-UMDNJ-RWJ
3-NYU
4-Yale
5-Einstein/Montefiore
6-St. Lukes
7-UConn
8-NS-LIJ
9-SUNY Stonybrook
10-Beth Israel (NY)
11-SUNY Downstate
12-Brown


This thread inspired me to actually register and post something.
 
I'll play.

38 programs applied to. 30 interviews offered. Went to 15, and ranked 11. Honestly, Louisville is easily number 1 for me, but any of the top 7 wouldn't hurt my feelings any.

1. Louisville
2. UT-Memphis
3. Scott and White
4. UNC
5. OU-OKC
6. Carolinas HC
7. KU-Wichita
8. UT-SW
9. UT-Houston
10. UT-Knoxville
11. ECU
 
Are you guys afraid to share in case PDs are spying?

Actually, yes... in fact, in one of my interviews, the PD admitted to "googling" the applicants prior to the interview. I quickly went back to the hotel room and googled myself just to make sure what was out there, and thank God I have no Myspace to post provocative pictures in, or do my random Christmas rants!
 
... Just in the posts that have already been put up, some programs are consistently high, others low, and others totally variable. It also helps MS 3's who may be starting to think about where they would like to go...

Totally does! Thanks for posting guys!
 
That's true, but most posts with questions are met with a certain level of apprehension. Someone posted about surgery work hours, and was criticized for being lazy, and advised to go into a "more p##sy" specialty.

Students who disagree with us about the mission statement of surgery residency are criticized for being a lazy "shift work" doctor, while those that agree with us are quickly reminded that "son, you have no idea what it's like, so STFU."

I guess overall we've created a forum that is way more intimidating than it needs to be. It is a virtual ward, where hierarchy exists, and the student should not speak until spoken to, etc. And honestly, it's bulls@#t.

A couple months ago, a senior resident poster tried to chastise me for responding critically to his post because I should have "more respect for my senior residents." OH MY GOD ARE YOU KIDDING ME?!? I respect everyone on this board (to some degree anyway), but his level of training means absolute d$ck to me as far as how I'm going to address his internet postings.

Students can tiptoe around their residents in real life....they should be allowed a little latitude here on the internet. After all, it is the Student Doctor Network.

Something to think about.....

Thank you for your input; I appreciate it.

And while I admit that many of us in surgery have strong personalities and beliefs, we shouldn't allow those to intimidate SDN users.

I do believe that there is a role for senior level residents to teach younger residents and students here, but I agree, it is ridiculous to insist on the typical surgery hierarchy here. Respect the knowledge and experience that your seniors have but to have to kow-tow to them just because they are senior makes no sense and fosters a sense of animosity.

I don't want to return to my former days where my Moderation style was too rigid and come down on everyone who responds negatively/aggressively but at the same time need to encourage others who do not possess the stereotypical surgeon attitude to post. It is the only way our community will grow, is to accept and welcome everyone.

Perhaps most of us can tone down the sarcasm and derision a bit and realize that informing others that we disagree with them doesn't have to convey a tone of criticism.
 
Here are my top 4 choices...

1. University of Wisconsin
2. OHSU
3. University of Washington
4. UVa

I would be super excited to match at any one of these 4 programs and I'd certainly be happy going to any of the 10 programs on my ROL. I thought they were all fantastic places and it was very hard putting them in order (I can't imagine how PDs sort through all the incredible applicants I met).

Best of luck to everyone.
 
You're right airplanboy ! I also met wonderful applicants... I can tell you that I don't want to be PD someday....tough choices.
Good Luck. Great list you have.
 
Personally, I've become somewhat disinterested in this forum in the last 2 years. It was fun and informative when I was an MS3/4 (4-5 years ago), but I'm not exactly sure why it was then, and what has changed in recent years. One thought is, as was posted earlier, that there is a lot of 'turnover' in posters; some just never post/read again after starting residency. This leaves only a few older (?senior) posters which gives the forum a particular (bad or good) feel. This is not meant as a knock against the administrators or prolific posters, just something I've seen.

When I look at a lot of the recent posts, it appears that they get off target from the OPs question/message fairly quickly. This is not necessarily always a bad thing, but it feels as though some are quick to start an argument, almost fishing for one sentence or phrase to repsond to (usually negatively), which then starts the ball rolling and a few posts into a new thread we're already YELLING at each other.

A lot of the questions from MS3/4s that are generic, basic, whatever, get dismissed quickly (i.e., go read old posts/threads). This is interesting because those are the types of questions that generated a lot of discussion 4-5 years ago, and if there is truly nothing new to say then so be it, but I don't think so.

In regards to people possibly not posting out of fear of PDs fishing for information, I find this difficult to understand. Sure, PDs want every edge they can get to match the best students, and some (probably very few) look at this site, but they can't get any useful information. Most of us hide our locations, use funny names like Winged Scapula (just kidding!), and make up our profiles, and those who don't do this still use screen names. How would a PD find out who a particular candidate is? It's too much fear for an anonymous forum.

Unfortunately, I think this trend will continue in this forum, and eventually someone will create a new forum elsewhere and we'll start the whole process over again.
 
1. Columbia
2. Yale
3. Mt Sinai
4. Robert Wood - New Brunswick
5. Lenox Hill
6. North Shore- LIJ
7. Westchester
8. Jackson Memorial, Miami
9. St Vincent's Manhattan
10. Beth Israel Manhattan
11. Stonybrook
12. St Barnabas, NJ
13. Morristown
Unranked
SIU, Downstate, Nassau County😎
 
I'm crossing my fingers...

1. BWH
2. Penn
3. Stanford
4. MGH
5. UCLA
6. Columbia
7. Cornell
8. U of Washington
9. Northwestern
 
I did a combined plastics/gen surg app, but I'm only sharing how I ranked the gsurg programs. 😛 I applied to 32, was offered 18, attended 16, ranked 13. My rank list was based on a combo of how much I liked the program while I was there and location. I'd be very happy with any of my top 10.

1 Plastics
2 Plastics
3 Plastics
4 Beth Israel Deaconess
5 Virginia Mason
6 UCI
7 Georgetown
8 UT Houston
9 Plastics
10 Santa Barbara Cottage
11 Loma Linda University
12 UC San Francisco-Fresno
13 UC San Francisco-East Bay
14 Lahey Clinic
15 BU
16 Harbor-UCLA
17 Westchester Med - NYMC

Good luck everyone - we're almost there! :clap:
 
I agree that these might be helpful for future applicants. I took some slack for avoiding the south/midwest, but location was an important factor for me. Had a great time on the interview trail...it is helpful to see a variety of programs. Best of luck to everyone!

1. brigham
2. ucsf
3. mgh
4. stanford
5. univ washington
6. cornell
7. ucla
8. yale
 
I do believe that there is a role for senior level residents to teach younger residents and students here, but I agree, it is ridiculous to insist on the typical surgery hierarchy here. Respect the knowledge and experience that your seniors have but to have to kow-tow to them just because they are senior makes no sense and fosters a sense of animosity.

I think the hierarchy began to start because the med students and pre-meds came here acting like they knew everything and started telling us why our careers suck, how we should act, etc... We resorted to the way we know how to regain control, and it sort of took off from there. I don't think anyone here wanted to prevent people from posting sincere questions, and I've tried to answer the questions (both on this forum as well as via PM) as honest and as helpful as I can.
 
I think the hierarchy began to start because the med students and pre-meds came here acting like they knew everything and started telling us why our careers suck, how we should act, etc... We resorted to the way we know how to regain control, and it sort of took off from there. I don't think anyone here wanted to prevent people from posting sincere questions, and I've tried to answer the questions (both on this forum as well as via PM) as honest and as helpful as I can.

I know you have and I (and the other users) appreciate it.

Surgeons can be brusque and often times when we disagree, even with each other, it can be rather loud. I remember going to a national Neurology conference as a pre-med and was bored out my skull, not because the presentations were dull, but because the presenters were. I have never found that to be the case when you get a bunch of surgeons together

But I think you're right...the puffed chest attitude can probably be traced to the postings by self described pre-meds, high school students and even med students who denigrate our career, our colleagues and us. Its hard not to get riled up over that.
 
What the heck... I've already got ulcers from this whole circus anyway...

1. University of Washington
2. MGH
3. UPMC
4. UC Davis
5. BWH
6. UNC
7. Northwestern
8. UCSD
9. Emory
10. Columbia
11. OHSU
12. UTSW

32 apps, 23 invites, 14 interviews and approx one million thank you letters

Good luck Class of 2008!!
 
As a 2nd year, I appreciate these postings. It gives me a break from studying robbins until my eyes bleed.

It is especially helpful to read through people's reasonings in their ROLs. Although I guess you typically get more of that in the match list thread.

Thanks for posting.
 
My rank list is as follows:

St. Joseph Mercy Ann Arbor
Carolinas MC Charlotte
MSU Grand Rapids Michigan
Good Sam Cincinnati
Gunderson Lutheran LaCrosse WI
Medical College of Wisconsin
Wright State Dayton
East Tennessee State
Kansas University Wichita
SIU
Mayo Rochester
MSU Lansing
Hennepin

A little weighted toward the community programs and the midwest...but I suppose that was sorta the point...

Good luck everyone!
 
oh god, why not...it's less than a week away...

29 applications, 11 invites, 11 interviews

1. Northwestern
2. UCSD
3. Brown
4. MGH
5. Jackson Memorial (Miami)
6. University of Colorado in Denver
7. Rush (Chicago)
8. Georgetown
9. Tufts-New England Medical Center
10. University of Illinois in Chicago
11. George Washington University


based on location, reputation, and how I felt about it when I was there (gut feeling)
 
I'd suggest a great topic of interest to future applicants that us current applicants can talk about is what I like to call the "Berlin Wall" of surgical residencies i.e. the East vs. West divide. It is real, it is palpable, and it is intimidating!
 
28 applications, 22 invites, 15 interviews (ranked them all)
1. OHSU
2. UC Davis
3. U of Colorado
4. Rush (chicago)
5. UCLA - Harbor
6. UCSF-East Bay
7. UCSF
8. UTSW
9. USC
10. Michigan
11. Northwestern
12. MGH
13.Kaiser LA
14. Loyola
15. UC Irvine
 
I'll bite:

Applied to 40 places, got 36 interviews, went on 20 and ranked the following:

1. University of Wisconsin
2. Ohio State University
3. University of Iowa
4. University of Nebraska
5. University of Louisville
6. University of Tennessee
7. Gundersen Lutheran
8. University of Minnesota
9. University of Georgia
10. MCW
11. St. Joseph's Ann Arbor
12. Rush
13. Hennepin
14. UT-Chattanooga
15. Loyola

For the most part will be happy with 1-10; but we'll see what happens. Just glad that Black Monday is over.
 
Can't hurt too badly:

Applied 20, interviewed 16, ranked 13:

1. NYU
2. UVa
3. BU
4. Brown
5. Georgetown
6. Jefferson
7. RWJ
8. Temple
9. Drexel
10. UMDNJ-NJMS
11. Maryland
12. MCV/VCU
13. Stony Brook

Unranked: Baystate, Einstein (Bronx), Westchester
 
75????? Wausers!

Good luck to you and everyone else tomorrow.

Remember to put the glass of water on the nightable next to the ibuprofen and keep the garbage can nearby... Ahhh the memories!
 
Returning to SDN for the first time since med school apps! (And having forgotten my previous login name and password)

Applied to 37 programs, 18 interview invites, 14 interviews, ranked all 14

1. UCLA
2. Harbor-UCLA
3. Cedars Sinai
4. UC Irvine
5. UCSF
6. Brigham (loved the program but too cold)
7. Kaiser Sunset (LA)
8. Loma Linda
9. UCSF - East Bay
10. UTSW
11. UC Davis
12. OHSU
13. Huntington Memorial
14. Santa Barbara Cottage

I'd love any of the top 3's!
 
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