New US News rankings are up.

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Edit- couldn't see all of the numbers, can if I select all of the text.
 
Wow it looks like Uchicago took a hit too. MSSM went up a few spots and so did pitt. swetet
 
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1956Goldtop said:
Wow it looks like Uchicago took a hit too. MSSM went up a few spots and so did pitt. swetet
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I'm telling you Goldtop, Penn's going to be sad if they don't let us in, cause we're going to go to Pitt and boost it into the top ten 😉
 
Meh, I'm still going to the cheapest school on that list so that's good enough for me! 😀
 
xanthomondo said:
How come so many schools dont have scores?
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It must have something to do with the individual schools, because LSU-NO and Shreveport never appear in any of the US News stuff, including the USNews version of the MSAR. They are always listed in the back, and it is stated that they didn't give them any info. Wonder if info = money?
 
How come US News says that in-state tuition for the UC's is $0? Do instate UC med students get a free ride? No, right?
 
xanthomondo said:
How come so many schools dont have scores?
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Maybe you have to pay to get the "full" rankings. Don't they usually run them through 60 or so? And then they don't rank the rest.
Ohh well...they might as well rank them all at #1, or rank none of them at all, because USNews rankings are pretty much meaningless anyways.
 
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Interesting that a DO school is tied with Harvard for the #7 primary care slot.
 
bodonid said:
It must have something to do with the individual schools, because LSU-NO and Shreveport never appear in any of the US News stuff, including the USNews version of the MSAR. They are always listed in the back, and it is stated that they didn't give them any info. Wonder if info = money?
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The LSUs never report because they got tired of Tulane ranking so high above them, even though in New Orleans and the rest of the state it is a known fact that the LSUs are better programs. Go TIGERS.
 
Leiflet said:
Interesting that a DO school is tied with Harvard for the #7 primary care slot.
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Keep in mind the primary care methodology is pretty simple, all it is = how many primary care residents the school turns out. It speaks nothing of the program itself.
 
Rooter76 said:
Keep in mind the primary care methodology is pretty simple, all it is = how many primary care residents the school turns out. It speaks nothing of the program itself.
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That is most certainly not true. Harvard doesn't turn out any!

Edit- Let me qualify that: almost none.
 
Rochester is, as always, underrated. Is it my imagination or did Columbia fall down a few spots?
 
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Could someone help me out and post the two lists here?? thanks!
 
To settle the debate you can look at their methodology section.

Primary care rating is broken down into:

30%: Primary care rate, or how many primary care physicians the school produces.
25%: Peer assessment score, by medical school deans and other high administrative positions.
15%: Residency director score, by residency directors for primary care residencies only.
15%: Student selectivity, by how competitive it is to enter. Broken down into:
..........9.75%: Mean MCAT score of accepted students.
..........4.50%: Mean undergraduate GPA of accepted students.
..........0.75%: Acceptance rate, or how many applications there are per seat available.
15%: Faculty resources, which is basically the ratio of faculty:students.


Thanks to devilishlyblue for catching my error.
 
maybe i am not getting something

when we say....top tier school... bottom tier school... what does this mean??? what are the actually tiers??? how many tiers are there?? and what ranking does this include??... the difference between research and primary care rankings are huge... and i don't think it makes one school better or worse than another school because one focuses on primary care and the other doesn't???

what do these numbers mean???
 
SBBunny said:
Rochester is, as always, underrated. Is it my imagination or did Columbia fall down a few spots?
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Columbia was tied at 10 last year with Umich (11) and Baylor (13). They are tied with Mich this year, as UCLA jumped all three of them to claim a tie with yale for 9.
 
For undergrad rankings, if a school refuses to report, USN will use the most recent data they have for that school. Not sure what they do if a school has never ever reported.

Primary care methodology is not just about the proportion of "primary care" docs a school turns out -- that's only 30% of the weight, and they count a whole lot of specialties as "primary care." For example, IM and Peds are both "primary care," even if the resident is going to go on and specialize in something else later. Many criteria are counted for both Research and Primary Care, they're just weighted differently. (Peer score, ResDir score, faculty/student ratio, etc.)

EDIT: RP above beat me to it.
 
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these ranking changes are irrelevant; if they had stayed the same, us news would be obsolete. don't read too much into it.
 
GulabJamooMD said:
3 of the top 10 schools are in California.
0 are in Texas.

'nuf said.
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Well, now we know GulabJamooMD is "futureMDderm". (fMd's earlier post of "blah" was edited. It originally appeared as the message I am quoting in its entirety.)
 
i bet if there was a ranking system for the most relevant and influential news magazines...i bet us news and world reports would find itself in Tier 3.🙂
 
rogerwilco said:
Well, now we know GulabJamooMD is "futureMDderm". (fMd's earlier post of "blah" was edited. It originally appeared as the message I am quoting in its entirety.)
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rogerwilco, futureMDderm, and GulabJamooMD are all the same person. How do I know? I am him.
 
My apologies, I should correct myself. The number of students who choose to go into primary care carries significant weight (over one quarter) in the primary care rankings. It isn't the only factor. But what I was trying to say was that, as the number of students who choose this path will vary every year, it accounts for a lot of randomized "shifting" of the ranks from year to year.

And then much of the rest of it is based on "reputation," which is completely subjective. Add these together, and that is most of their ranking. So the two primary constituents in their evaluation are, respectively, random and subjective. In my opinion this is almost meaningless. Entertaining perhaps, at best.
 
Yeah, and it's an especially dumb metric because it's not actually a primary care metric. Anybody who wants to go into, say, cardiology, or pedi-endo, or ID, or peds-neuro gets counted as primary care because they do either an IM or a Peds residency first. So it's not only highly unstable, it doesn't even measure what they're aiming for.
 
RPedigo said:
To settle the debate you can look at their methodology section.

Primary care rating is broken down into:

30%: Primary care rate, or how many primary care physicians the school produces.
25%: Peer assessment score, by medical school deans and other high administrative positions.
15%: Residency director score, by residency directors for primary care residencies only.
15%: Student selectivity, by how competitive it is to enter.
15%: Faculty resources, which is basically the ratio of faculty:students.
9.75%: Mean MCAT score of accepted students.
4.5%: Mean undergraduate GPA of accepted students.
0.75%: Acceptance rate, or how many applications there are per seat available.

...except this adds up to over 100%.
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The 15% selectivity is broken down into MCAT, GPA, and Acceptance Rate. Those are subcategories, not additional ones.
 
dth92 said:
What the h happened to BU?
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It may have to do with the trouble they've been having with their level 4 bio lab. NIH gives them a lot of funding to put that together, and with all the delays due to "safety" activists, maybe US News didn't count that money?
 
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RPedigo said:
To settle the debate you can look at their methodology section.

Primary care rating is broken down into:

30%: Primary care rate, or how many primary care physicians the school produces.
25%: Peer assessment score, by medical school deans and other high administrative positions.
15%: Residency director score, by residency directors for primary care residencies only.
15%: Student selectivity, by how competitive it is to enter. Broken down into:
..........9.75%: Mean MCAT score of accepted students.
..........4.50%: Mean undergraduate GPA of accepted students.
..........0.75%: Acceptance rate, or how many applications there are per seat available.
15%: Faculty resources, which is basically the ratio of faculty:students.


Thanks to devilishlyblue for catching my error.
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wow i never realized that. so if a school produces a lot of specialists and isnt big into research they wont place well on either list?
 
xanthomondo said:
wow i never realized that. so if a school produces a lot of specialists and isnt big into research they wont place well on either list?
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Not necessarily. As discussed above, anybody who wants to go into, say, cardiology, or pedi-endo, or ID, or peds-neuro gets counted as primary care because they do either an IM or a Peds residency first.
 
RPedigo said:
Good catch. 👍

Methodology was poorly-formatted, so it was actually my mistake.
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Yeah, I noticed that they didn't highlight primary care and student selectivity orange, making it pretty confusing.

Anyone else not like the new format of this list?
 
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