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How to run a business called "Private Practice" from the LA Times

Interesting read.

Dollars to doughnuts diagnosis
The only way a doctor can do a good job and still make a living is to reject insurers.
By Albert Fuchs
April 16, 2008
Imagine one morning you're craving something sweet, so you stop by the corner doughnut shop. Turns out the wait is half an hour, the clerk is rude and, when you finally get it, the doughnut is stale. Would you buy doughnuts there again? Of course not.

Yet, every day, millions of Americans put up with just that kind of service in their physicians' offices. And they keep going back.

Anyone who has visited a primary care doctor lately knows the drill: You show up on time, only to wait 45 minutes or even an hour. In the examination room, the physician (who offers no apology) seems distracted, harried and eager to get to the next patient. Then you're referred to a specialist -- who doesn't have an opening for a month.

Every politician and his Aunt Martha has a scheme to overhaul American healthcare. But not one of them will solve this problem: Most doctors are awful at serving their patients. The typical hair salon pays more attention to customer service than the typical doctor.

Why? Even the best medical schools give short shrift to practice management. So a doctor can emerge as a skilled diagnostician without a clue how to run a business that serves consumers. In fact, many physicians find it distasteful to think of medicine as a business at all. They feel that it's their mission to serve as many patients as possible rather than to provide the best care possible. Most significant, today's doctors are preoccupied with the bureaucracy of insurance companies, so much so that they've lost the simple logic of the doughnut shop model.

To be sure, physicians are not entirely to blame. With insurance companies dictating how much doctors can charge for services as diverse as a routine checkup or an appendectomy, a doctor has only one route to more income: increase volume. I know. When I began my own private practice in internal medicine, my volume grew quickly, and so did my work hours. I didn't complain because I took that as a sign of success. But before long I found myself toiling nights and weekends just to keep up with the volume. First I sacrificed my free time to my practice, then my sleep and finally the quality of my practice itself.

From an economist's point of view, my problem was simple. I was making good doughnuts and selling them below market price. I was earning a good living, but I couldn't sustain that level of production. So I took action. I dropped an insurance plan -- the one that gave me the least compensation. Almost immediately, I had fewer patients but more time and energy for those I maintained. When my patient ranks swelled and I got too busy again, I dropped another plan. This continued until I reached the right balance of time and patients.

For more than a year, I haven't received a single dollar from any insurance company. I work for my patients. A few hundred doctors across the country are working the same way, some in blue-collar towns. Routine care should be affordable to the middle class, and as more doctors and more patients form relationships that exclude insurance companies, prices will drop. Insurance doesn't make routine care affordable; it makes it more expensive by adding a middleman. I know that some patients can afford nothing, so two afternoons a month I volunteer at a clinic that cares for indigent patients, which I could not have done with the huge patient volume I was seeing a few years ago.

When doctors break free from the shackles of insurance companies, they can practice medicine the way they always hoped they could. And they can get back to the customer service model in which the paramount incentive is providing the best care. Only then can doctors reclaim the simple dignity of any businessman: These are my doughnuts; only I and my customers can determine their worth. (At the end of each week, I will donate some to the needy, but I will not let a third party set the price.)

And when patients are the customers, doctors will listen when they ask for services not on the insurance company menu. If an urgent need arises after hours, patients want to be able to call their own doctor. Patients want to be able to e-mail their doctor with non-urgent questions and to fax them interesting articles. They want to be educated, not just medicated. They want to know they can get in to see their doctor the same day if needed, and that their doctor will be the one taking care of them if they are hospitalized. If doctors had fewer patients, meeting all of these needs would be easy.

How many customers would have to request rainbow sprinkles before the doughnut shop owner kept them in stock?

Albert Fuchs is an internist in Beverly Hills.







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that sounds fantastic and all but it is not simply doable on a broad market. There are only so many that can afford that type of care and there are only so many who are willing to take that risk.
 
The implication of this, of course, is that many doctors would refuse to take the low-compensating government-run insurance options.

I have absolutely no idea where they get the "many doctors don't see this as a business" idea. It's all business.. maximizing profit. Everyone wants to do the least work and make the most money, that is the essence of capitalism. Of course customer service is not their goal a lot of the time.. but business isn't always making your customer happy.
 
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I think it's genius. True, he did loose some patients that deserve medical care just like everyone else, but according to him it was in an attempt to find a balance where he could offer quality care to a smaller amount of people. Who knows how true his intentions really are (ie the volunteering in the clinic bit), but I don't think it's surprising that people are starting to think this way.
 
this is in his private practice, though. it's not his burden anymore, but it's someone else's burden. he's overstretching the resources of some other medical facility.

obviously the only long-term solution is to increase the number of providers
 
The implication of this, of course, is that many doctors would refuse to take the low-compensating government-run insurance options.

I have absolutely no idea where they get the "many doctors don't see this as a business" idea. It's all business.. maximizing profit. Everyone wants to do the least work and make the most money, that is the essence of capitalism. Of course customer service is not their goal a lot of the time.. but business isn't always making your customer happy.
it's a painful but necessary step for doctors to start reasserting themselves and getting back in charge of medical practice. Public pressure should force the low-compensating government-run programs to increase doctor payments
 
it's a painful but necessary step for doctors to start reasserting themselves and getting back in charge of medical practice. Public pressure should force the low-compensating government-run programs to increase doctor payments
could we actually afford universal healthcare if the compensation given by that insurance was competitive?
 
This is the first time I have seen a doctor use the insurance companies as a marketing department and then take the insurance companies' customers away from them with a better service promise. This is much better than the insurance companies setting compensation and making the doctor live with it.

Most patients want to keep the good doctor they have and do not want to lose him/her. Most will pay a little more for the good service and the feeling that the doctor is taking his time and not rushing the appointment

I think Dr. Fuchs is a genius. This is from someone who is 59 years old and has seen both good and bad doctors and good and bad service. I wish he were in reach from my house.
 
So, something that was at least unclear to me reading this article was the way that this doc actually bills his patients. It turns out he charges an annual fee, and all procedures and appointments in his office are covered under this fee. Crazy:

http://www.albertfuchs.com/
 
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I wait maybe 5-10 minutes to see my doctor, and he hardly seems rushed at all, and if he's distracted, he does a damn good job of hiding it. I think boutique practices should be more common, but at reasonable prices. I saw an interesting video on an internist with such a practice in a lower income rural area with a lot of people without insurance, and because he saved so much money by not dealing with insurance companies, he charged very reasonable rates. I wish that would catch on more, because these "all inclusive" insurance programs are getting way too pricey.
 
I wait maybe 5-10 minutes to see my doctor, and he hardly seems rushed at all, and if he's distracted, he does a damn good job of hiding it. I think boutique practices should be more common, but at reasonable prices. I saw an interesting video on an internist with such a practice in a lower income rural area with a lot of people without insurance, and because he saved so much money by not dealing with insurance companies, he charged very reasonable rates. I wish that would catch on more, because these "all inclusive" insurance programs are getting way too pricey.

That sounds like a good idea. :thumbup:
 
I wait maybe 5-10 minutes to see my doctor, and he hardly seems rushed at all, and if he's distracted, he does a damn good job of hiding it. I think boutique practices should be more common, but at reasonable prices. I saw an interesting video on an internist with such a practice in a lower income rural area with a lot of people without insurance, and because he saved so much money by not dealing with insurance companies, he charged very reasonable rates. I wish that would catch on more, because these "all inclusive" insurance programs are getting way too pricey.

It doesn't have to be expensive to be able to be lucrative and still serve the "underserved" population. Check out this clinic.

http://www.patmosemergiclinic.com/

Dr. Berry does not take any insurance, but his prices are close to the cost of a copay anyway. I love his practice model. It free's you from the grip of insurance companies (as a physician) and allows you to be a true doctor. He even has a list of all the prices he charges for various services.

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Dr. Berry does not take any insurance, but his prices are close to the cost of a copay anyway. I love his practice model. It free's you from the grip of insurance companies (as a physician) and allows you to be a true doctor. He even has a list of all the prices he charges for various services.
That's exactly what this doctor does - a big "menu" of prices. Rather than going to the ER for $1500 and getting a few sutures, you can get it done for much much less.

Fast-forward to 3:30 for the family practice doc, but the first three minutes is an interesting look into LASIK and how the competition among doctors has lowered its cost. Because LASIK isn't usually covered by insurance, people actually ask how much it costs.
[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_KCLm9cekU[/YOUTUBE]

The rest of Stossel's series is very interesting as well - I watched the whole thing a while back. It's a great counter point to Michael Moore's SiCKO.
 
This is easily done with routine primary care visits, simple procedures, elective procedures, etc -- but good luck trying to get a patient to be willing or able to cough up the cash necessary for a larger procedure (gall bladder, hysterectomy, large skin cancer removal and reconstruction, etc).

BTW, the good Dr. Berry charges more for some of his procedures, evaluations, and lab tests than he could realistically expect to collect from most insurers or medicare.
 
That's exactly what this doctor does - a big "menu" of prices. Rather than going to the ER for $1500 and getting a few sutures, you can get it done for much much less.

Fast-forward to 3:30 for the family practice doc, but the first three minutes is an interesting look into LASIK and how the competition among doctors has lowered its cost. Because LASIK isn't usually covered by insurance, people actually ask how much it costs.
[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_KCLm9cekU[/YOUTUBE]

The rest of Stossel's series is very interesting as well - I watched the whole thing a while back. It's a great counter point to Michael Moore's SiCKO.
interesting video, especially the primary care part.

you know most people who abuse the ED wouldn't be able to pay that $200 for stitches. that's why it's so popular to abuse the ED.. they have to give you care and you can skip out on the bill.
 
This is easily done with routine primary care visits, simple procedures, elective procedures, etc -- but good luck trying to get a patient to be willing or able to cough up the cash necessary for a larger procedure (gall bladder, hysterectomy, large skin cancer removal and reconstruction, etc).

BTW, the good Dr. Berry charges more for some of his procedures, evaluations, and lab tests than he could realistically expect to collect from most insurers or medicare.

Agreed. I had a physician in my community who charged $40 for a routine visit, small fees for various lab tests (he contracted with labs to provide the services for cash payments), no insurance accepted. However, when the work-up of chest pain indicated the need for a EKG monitor there would be a huge fee for a cardiologist to interprete the results. For patients without health insurance, or with a high deductable plan, this practice model just doesn't work. If patients don't come, you can't make it. The doc in my community lasted a few years before he folded his tent & joined a more conventional clinical practice model.
 
that sounds fantastic and all but it is not simply doable on a broad market. There are only so many that can afford that type of care and there are only so many who are willing to take that risk.

Maybe not on a broad market, but it certainly can be done and I personally believe it should be. As future doctors its up to us not to get bullied around by the government and insurance companies. This is one great way to take a stand.. and trust me, there will always be more patients willing to pay (in most areas). Once I start practicing I plan to accept all insurance to build my experience, knowledge and reputation. However, once I have a firm foundation (hopefully 5-7 years into practice) I do plan to eliminate the penny pinching insurance companies.
 
As LizzyM pointed out, there are definitely a slate of common things that a physician can charge these nice, small fees for, but there are a lot of things that cost a lot of money. In medical school, you will have the opportunity to see how much imaging studies, EKGs, consultations, and laboratory tests cost and you will likely be surprised. I'm not saying that the cost of healthcare is not inflated by middle men, but it is also inflated by the price of the technology involved.
 
Just curious though- Fuch's still suggests that patients keep insurance.

Does this mean I don't need insurance?
You will still need insurance to cover potential expenses like hospital bills, treatment by other physicians and diagnostic tests. The annual fee is specifically for Dr. Fuchs's care.

Isn't that asking for the patient to still pay more than they are paying now annually for insurance premiums and the annual fee?
 
These are all good ways to pratice medicine, but you still want health insurance for that emergency. For example, let's say you fly across the country for a business trip or a vacation. It turns out during the plain flight that you got airplane ear. The doctor tries medication but it doesn't work, Thus, surgery needs to be done.

what about the times when you get into a car accident? Who is going to cover the price of the ED visit, possible surgery, possible hospitalization?

I'll keep the health insurance and continue to see my doctor at the local university hospital (expect for the months of July and August).
 
I may be wrong, but it seems that

Customer satisfaction<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<Being a good and competent doctor
 
I know a doc that doesn't accept any insurance and just charges patients for his services. That way he doesn't have to waste tens of thousands of dollars haggling with their insurance companies over payment. Instead let the patients do that work. He will forward records as needed.
 
I know a doc that doesn't accept any insurance and just charges patients for his services. That way he doesn't have to waste tens of thousands of dollars haggling with their insurance companies over payment. Instead let the patients do that work. He will forward records as needed.


Dr. and Rep. (and should be Pres candidate) Ron Paul did that. But I bet you knew that.
 
I may be wrong, but it seems that

Customer satisfaction<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<Being a good and competent doctor

I disagree. While an effective diagnosis is necessary, being treated like an worthless source of income causes other, less easily fixed problems. It makes the general public more critical of doctors, less trusting of the healthcare system, and thus more prone to electing politicians who will support anti-doctor bills.

You can do a good job at both if you actually like what you are doing and have good people skills.
 
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