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i took my test i got a 23 and a week later i found that my score was to be voided cause i had markers on my desk.... has anyone had a similar situation here????? please let me what i should do? i can't stop crying about this.......... so unfair..... 🙁🙁🙁🙁🙁
 
i took my test i got a 23 and a week later i found that my score was to be voided cause i had markers on my desk.... has anyone had a similar situation here????? please let me what i should do? i can't stop crying about this.......... so unfair..... 🙁🙁🙁🙁🙁

What are markers? Like colored crayola or dry erase markers? It's an interesting scenario but I don't get 2 things. First on your part, why you would even have markers out when I thought everyone knew you could only bring a pencil, the scrap paper they give you and your ID with you and 2nd on their part...why they didn't say anything in the first place and how they could void your score when they tape the whole thing to ensure you aren't cheating. I would try to appeal it, but it just seems like there is more to this story... be it a misunderstanding or... something.

The woman at the testing center I took mine at FLIPPED out bc I wrote my scores down on an edge of the paper (probably 1/2 inch square) and tore it off... I walked up to her and said "can I keep this bc last time I didnt get a print out of my scores." She practically ripped it out of my hand, screamed "NO" and frantically tried to reattach it. She then gave me a handout of my scores and apologized 😉 I was on such a high from my scores and being finished that I didn't even care if she was a jerk in the first place. The goofy smile on my face probably made her feel bad for me.
 
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ok i took dry erase markers as we are allowed to have dry erase marker.... the person that was there came and took them within 5 min of my test...... and i continued with my test.... but he wrote a report... a week after my exam i get a letter from ada that my score is voided...... what should i do?
 
look at page 16 on dat guide it tells you cant have pen,pencil but there is nothing about dry erase markers........
 
You cannot have anything on you. Anything you have with you during exam must be provided for you by the test center. When I took my DAT, they gave me 2 dry erase markers and some sheets to write with ~ but I wasn't allowed to bring in anything.

I can foresee in the future, you must strip down to nothing, go through a pressurized wash area, and dressed in provided white shirt and pant before you are allowed to take the exam.

It's sad they invalidated your score and probably wrote something on their permanent record that you tried to cheat. Your chances at getting into dental school might be almost nothing now.
 
im not getting this.
so you brought your own dry erase markers?
did they not check you before you went in and told you the instruction saying that you cannot bring anything with you?

if you did not follow the instruction and brough your own marker, then i guess you might have to try to appeal but think about retaking it soon (hopefully less than 90 days period)

but as long as there was nothing shady about the situation, i think you should be able to appeal and explain yourself
 
You cannot have anything on you. Anything you have with you during exam must be provided for you by the test center. When I took my DAT, they gave me 2 dry erase markers and some sheets to write with ~ but I wasn't allowed to bring in anything.

I can foresee in the future, you must strip down to nothing, go through a pressurized wash area, and dressed in provided white shirt and pant before you are allowed to take the exam.

It's sad they invalidated your score and probably wrote something on their permanent record that you tried to cheat. Your chances at getting into dental school might be almost nothing now.

but how is that cheating....... how does it give me an advantage over anyone else?
 
Maybe it was meant to happen dude.Maybe, you were meant to get a 25+ on your scores.Don't get me wrong about the 23 though, their very nice 👍
 
but how is that cheating....... how does it give me an advantage over anyone else?

Their point of view might be: Your dry erase marker may be a masked high tech short range RF communicator that allows you to send out questions and receive back the right answers. It may also be a small video camera that send out live feed of test exam questions! The possibilities are endless ~!

In their eyes, you definitely was trying to cheat by bringing in foreign material. You must retake the exam even after you appeal. In the unlikely chance that you do receive an interview, you can explain that you were able to get the same score as the first time when they falsely accused you of cheating. Certainly, your markers were taken away in the first 5 minutes of exam, but the ADA probably doesn't have that in the report ~ just a single line which said something like, "so and so is suspected of cheating, confiscated 2 marker-like objects."
 
You cannot have anything on you. Anything you have with you during exam must be provided for you by the test center. When I took my DAT, they gave me 2 dry erase markers and some sheets to write with ~ but I wasn't allowed to bring in anything.

I can foresee in the future, you must strip down to nothing, go through a pressurized wash area, and dressed in provided white shirt and pant before you are allowed to take the exam.

It's sad they invalidated your score and probably wrote something on their permanent record that you tried to cheat. Your chances at getting into dental school might be almost nothing now.

wow you are very bitter

i do not think this would be that huge deal as long as you can appeal and make sure they know that there was nothing with the situation

good luck and be calm and reasonable when you are talking with the officials
 
Their point of view might be: Your dry erase marker may be a masked high tech short range RF communicator that allows you to send out questions and receive back the right answers. It may also be a small video camera that send out live feed of test exam questions! The possibilities are endless ~!

In their eyes, you definitely was trying to cheat by bringing in foreign material. You must retake the exam even after you appeal. In the unlikely chance that you do receive an interview, you can explain that you were able to get the same score as the first time when they falsely accused you of cheating. Certainly, your markers were taken away in the first 5 minutes of exam, but the ADA probably doesn't have that in the report ~ just a single line which said something like, "so and so is suspected of cheating, confiscated 2 marker-like objects."

not cool..I think just retaking and getting same scores would be enough.I think its proof enough that he/she dosen't need to cheat.
 
Their point of view might be: Your dry erase marker may be a masked high tech short range RF communicator that allows you to send out questions and receive back the right answers. It may also be a small video camera that send out live feed of test exam questions! The possibilities are endless ~!

In their eyes, you definitely was trying to cheat by bringing in foreign material. You must retake the exam even after you appeal. In the unlikely chance that you do receive an interview, you can explain that you were able to get the same score as the first time when they falsely accused you of cheating. Certainly, your markers were taken away in the first 5 minutes of exam, but the ADA probably doesn't have that in the report ~ just a single line which said something like, "so and so is suspected of cheating, confiscated 2 marker-like objects."
they have the markers dude....nothing marked on them.... even at te testing center the supervisor was shocked..... he said we get cases like this...people bring pen andstuff we just take them away.....they sent another stament to them and also they have vidoes.....
 
Look at the idea behind the principle. Doesn't matter that they didn't list markers on there. Pen, pencils...highlighters for that fact. You can't take anything in that has marks that could be used to measure things on the PAT. The irony's that they sometimes give students markers to use on the exam. Yet, you can't take in anything they didn't give you.

Is an appeal even possible?
 
I don't believe in sugar coating my posts and give false hopes to rezvan24. It's my belief that if you expect and prepare for the worst, then you wouldn't be caught with your pants down readily to be flogged by Singapore officials.
 
I don't believe in sugar coating my posts and give false hopes to rezvan24. It's my belief that if you expect and prepare for the worst, then you wouldn't be caught with your pants down

Yeah, but I don't think you have any basis for the statements that you have made. To my knowledge, saying that your scores are "voided due to irregularities" can be brought about by many causes, and does not automatically imply that you cheated. Even in the DAT registration book it says that "irregularities," for which scores will automatically be voided and students will have to retake, include natural disasters, fire alarm evacuations, broken sprinklers, other people in the testing center talking to each other, suspicious activity, and many other things out of your control. They don't automatically brand you a cheater if you have an irregular testing session, it only means that something was out of order. I have never heard or read of the ADA making a "permanent record of cheaters." There are even dental students who have been caught cheating and allowed to remain in school. Unless you have some foundation for your statements, I agree with the others who said that your comments are uneccessarily harsh and baseless. I think the OP would still have a fine chance of being invited for interview and accepted to dental school, as long as the ADA will let him/her retake the DAT or reinstate the original scores. rezvan24, as much as I would like to have less competition from a stellar candidate like you, I encourage you to do everything you can to work with the ADA and either retake the DAT or get them to review your appeal and the circumstances so that you can get your score reinstated. There is no reason that you should not get into dental school, as long as your story actually happened exactly as you have represented here. I think the schools will understand, as long as you can get the ADA to help you out.
 
i took my test i got a 23 and a week later i found that my score was to be voided cause i had markers on my desk.... has anyone had a similar situation here????? please let me what i should do? i can't stop crying about this.......... so unfair..... 🙁🙁🙁🙁🙁
I feel for you man.

I remember answering a phone call from my mother during the test, I always answer her calls. And when a Prometric lady approached me (she was young, like 22 or something), I told her that I am a family guy, despite the fact I was taking a big exam. The girl said to hang-up, and continue with the test. So I told my moms I was in the middle of exam, and continued with the exam.

During my break time, I ended up talking to the Prometric lady, and explained more about the call, and how I won't let my parents disappointed at all if they want to reach me, unless I was dead. She said she know what it's like, and told me a story about her parents. This happend in the midwest, people are nice over there. If this happend in Boston, I would be in a lot of trouble. I was upfront about that experience when I applied to schools, and BU accommodated my honesty the most.

Anyways man, appeal... and I hope you win it! 👍
 
ok i took dry erase markers as we are allowed to have dry erase marker.... the person that was there came and took them within 5 min of my test...... and i continued with my test.... but he wrote a report... a week after my exam i get a letter from ada that my score is voided...... what should i do?

The dental educational system (ADA and Joint Commission of Dental Examinations) is in the midst of clamping down against any sort of issues with perceived cheating or otherwise bypassing rules and regulations concerning licensing and admissions to pre-doctoral and post-doctoral programs. In light of the recent events in California with their Ortho program, and in light of numerous students being caught with unreleased and remembered exam information for the NDBE-I, I feel that what happened to you is just a small slap on the wrist. Whole programs are being investigated, and students are being thrown out of dental schools for their cheating (or even suspected cheating on the NDBE-I). Technically, not following all the rules by bringing in materials which is clearly stated in the rules and regulations should result in an indefinite ban for violating the rules. Instead of asking about getting your scores reinstated, you should be happy that you're not completely banned from re-writing (which you should be). If you are lucky enough to one day obtain admission to a dental school, keep this fact in mind for your future examinations. Additionally, keep in mind that these rules should be made even stricter to keep the dental profession a profession that is self-regulated. We are a profession in which we get powers beyond the scope of even a lot of physicians (such as in-office anasthesia) and dental students or those admitted to dental schools with cheating under their belts should not be allowed to leave a blemish on the record of this profession.
 
There's been too many incidences of cheating on the newspapers. Take a look at the incident in Indiana University...

http://www.theindychannel.com/news/13275045/detail.html

The Newspaper said:
After a two-month investigation, nine students were dismissed, six were suspended and 21 received letters of reprimand.

In the past 2 years, there have been numerous reports of dental students cheating in order get promoted or to graduate on time. It's no secret that there's pressure from the public to the ADA on the ethical and moral standards of dental students.

Like what LaVidaDeAmreek said, we as a profession, are constantly under watch by the public at large for our behaviors because we, unlike most other medical professional, we can easily function autonomously without supervision or oversight. Remember the dentist who started massaging breasts and called it TMJ treatment?
 
The dental educational system (ADA and Joint Commission of Dental Examinations) is in the midst of clamping down against any sort of issues with perceived cheating or otherwise bypassing rules and regulations concerning licensing and admissions to pre-doctoral and post-doctoral programs. In light of the recent events in California with their Ortho program, and in light of numerous students being caught with unreleased and remembered exam information for the NDBE-I, I feel that what happened to you is just a small slap on the wrist. Whole programs are being investigated, and students are being thrown out of dental schools for their cheating (or even suspected cheating on the NDBE-I). Technically, not following all the rules by bringing in materials which is clearly stated in the rules and regulations should result in an indefinite ban for violating the rules. Instead of asking about getting your scores reinstated, you should be happy that you're not completely banned from re-writing (which you should be). If you are lucky enough to one day obtain admission to a dental school, keep this fact in mind for your future examinations. Additionally, keep in mind that these rules should be made even stricter to keep the dental profession a profession that is self-regulated. We are a profession in which we get powers beyond the scope of even a lot of physicians (such as in-office anasthesia) and dental students or those admitted to dental schools with cheating under their belts should not be allowed to leave a blemish on the record of this profession.
This is true.

Still, how on earth, can a marker be helpful for a computer based test. There are so many ways to cheat on that exam (which I will not get into), but a marker doesn't even make it to the list.
 
This is true.

Still, how on earth, can a marker be helpful for a computer based test. There are so many ways to cheat on that exam (which I will not get into), but a marker doesn't even make it to the list.

Whatever illicit materials brought into such examinations can contain notes, recording devices, communications equipment, or numerous other things. The point is not what it was, the point is that the rules are in place for a reason. Every DAT candidate is expected to have read the rules and is expected to abide by them. This is a simple concept. Now I have proctored exams before, and although I haven't caught anyone cheating, I am aware of students who have gone to extreme lengths... such as 2-point font notes inside water bottles and tiny carvings on the sides of mechanical pencils. Again, the point is not to discuss methods of cheating, as humans under stress come up with numerous ingenious ways to cheat, the point here is that such examinees are required to follow a set of rules which prevent such methods of cheating to take place.
 
Still, how on earth, can a marker be helpful for a computer based test.

I dont understand how it is different from a pencil, there are many ways. One of the tops would be you can make your own marker casing with formulas written on it instead of ingredients. Lots of people do things like this.
 
Still, how on earth, can a marker be helpful for a computer based test. There are so many ways to cheat on that exam (which I will not get into), but a marker doesn't even make it to the list.

How can you differentiate between one item to another? "oo, it's okay to bring in a marker because AADSAS handbook said nothing about markers." I mean, how much information can you cram on the sides or insides of a marker?! There could be braille markings on the side for all they know.

It's like getting caught with a calculator or cell phone when you were told specifically not to bring either one to the exam. It doesn't matter if it's off or wasn't in use - if it's on you, it's grounds for dismissal from the exam.
 
Whatever illicit materials brought into such examinations can contain notes, recording devices, communications equipment, or numerous other things. The point is not what it was, the point is that the rules are in place for a reason. Every DAT candidate is expected to have read the rules and is expected to abide by them. This is a simple concept. Now I have proctored exams before, and although I haven't caught anyone cheating, I am aware of students who have gone to extreme lengths... such as 2-point font notes inside water bottles and tiny carvings on the sides of mechanical pencils. Again, the point is not to discuss methods of cheating, as humans under stress come up with numerous ingenious ways to cheat, the point here is that such examinees are required to follow a set of rules which prevent such methods of cheating to take place.
dude the guy took my markers within 5 minutes from the start i had nothing on them as i mentioned earlier it was just a black expo marker
 
dude the guy took my markers within 5 minutes from the start i had nothing on them as i mentioned earlier it was just a black expo marker
A lot of the guys who replied to this topic think you cheated, simply because they want the system to bring down innocent incidents like yours.

Unless there is more to the story, I think this whole thing is a B.S., it's like saying take of your watch during the exam. Can't people hide stuff on their watches too? people who make up reasons on behalf of the ADA (like dreaming2k and Mr. LavidaLoka!) can shampoo my python!
 
Dude There Are Video Cameras Right There Filming Every Single Move And The Guy Took My Markers Which Had Nothing On Them Within 5 Minutes From The Start..... How Could I They Have Effected My Score..... I Members Of Board Of Appeal Have A Bit More Logic Than Some Of The People Here
 
A lot of the guys who replied to this topic think you cheated, simply because they want the system to bring down innocent incidents like yours.

Unless there is more to the story, I think this whole thing is a B.S., it's like saying take of your watch during the exam. Can't people hide stuff on their watches too? people who make up reasons (like dreaming2k) can shampoo my python!

I believe the man didn't cheat ~ but there's nothing he can say or do to really prove he didn't cheat except retaking the exam and getting the same score! It's not an innocent incident when he knows specifically not to bring in anything, and he did. It's like taking a pound of heroin on the flight because the poster only said, "you can't bring water, firearm, and bombs on this flight."

What I think is happening here is Cold Front is trying to make you feel everything is going to be okay ~ but when the time comes, you're gonna be facing enormous Lex python ramming you from behind because you weren't prepared. File the appeal, retake the exam, apply as usual - but don't give up your day job for dental school is all I'm saying.
 
Dude There Are Video Cameras Right There Filming Every Single Move And The Guy Took My Markers Which Had Nothing On Them Within 5 Minutes From The Start..... How Could I They Have Effected My Score..... I Members Of Board Of Appeal Have A Bit More Logic Than Some Of The People Here

Based on what you've just wrote, I take back what I said in my previous post. There's no way you could have gotten a 23 without cheating. The markers were just decoys, right?! CONFESS!
 
Based on what you've just wrote, I take back what I said in my previous post. There's no way you could have gotten a 23 without cheating. The markers were just decoys, right?! CONFESS!
you are just a hater.... i was hoping to get some help from people in here..... but apparently some people just enjoy being a jerk....thanks for your replies
 
you are just a hater.... i was hoping to get some help from people in here..... but apparently some people just enjoy being a jerk....thanks for your replies

Aw, don't cry. I was just kidding with my last post. I still believe in you, okay?
 
Its not about believing you cheated. You probably didnt. But I dont understand how/why you brought in your own markers? I thought bringing in anything was pretty clearly against the rules.
 
Its not about believing you cheated. You probably didnt. But I dont understand how/why you brought in your own markers? I thought bringing in anything was pretty clearly against the rules.

To explain why rezvan24 brought in markers when he was clearly told not to bring in anything, visit >> this link
 
I don't see how you could possibly have an argument here. When they said DO NOT bring ANYTHING into the testing center with you, what made you think that you could bring your own marker?

While I'm sure you had nothing but honest intentions, and I'm sorry you had your scores voided, even though may not have been cheating, you broke the rules, plain and simple. In an age where people will take any shortcut possible to get ahead, there needs to be rules and regulations set to prevent that. No one is above the rules. Not you, me, nor anyone else here on SDN. Appeal their ruling and pray that they reverse their decision, but if I were you, I'd start studying again, just in case.
 
Reading about circumstances such as this makes me sick. Markers are just that--markers--nothing more, nothing less. I am so sorry an example is being made out of you. Unfortunately, the only person who knows the truth is you. Even more unfortunate is the fact that people are all too willing to think the worst in people, guilty until innocent, etc, etc. The person at the testing center was probably having a bad day and took it out on you. Definitely appeal if you can. If there is no formal appeal process do whatever you can to contact the higher-ups at the ADA. I wish you the best👍
 
this whole situation sucks, hard. like others mentioned, i'm sure you meant no mallace, but rules are rules. try explaining your self, you never know, things might work out. plan for the worst, and hope for the best.

i'm actually glad i took a peek here on this website prior to taking my DAT this past may, because when i was planning on taking it, i was going to bring in some fine point markers to use instead of those heafty things they give you. yea, that could have turned out reeeally bad.

to the OP, good luck. sounds like you might have an uphill battle adhead of you.
 
TO REV: dont bother with any appeal. admit to ada that you were wrong (or try to play dumb and that in fact you didnt understand the rules, if this in in fact true) and BEG for another shot at the test.

as others have said, the issue here is that rules are rules and you clearly broke them. accept the consequences and do everything in your power to get a retake.
 
This is just another inadequacy of some of the useless people working at these testing centers (those of you who have read about my rants during my blackout know why I do not hold prometric in highest regards). During the second time I took the test, the lady checking me in was getting ready to sign me out, I was like WTF!

You should definitely appeal this. Those markers were removed from during the first five minutes of the test, according to you. If the proctor thought you were cheating he should have removed you from the test altogether, it makes absolutely so sense for him to let you take a 4 hour exam if he thought you were cheating. Go back and talk to the guy at the testing center and explain your situation to him and get him to try and withdraw his complaint. If he says no, ask him why you were never removed from the test if he suspected you were cheating. Find out how long after he took your markers did he file a complaint against you. Document everything he says on your PDA/audio recorder if you have one. Try and talk to some of the other people there and see if what this guy did was justified, most likely this person was having a bad day and taking it out on you.

Do something, but definitely appeal this. I definitely believe you are innocent and hope they overturn their decision. Remember the main point to address here is, WHY YOU WERE NEVER REMOVED FROM THE TEST WHEN SUSPECT OF CHEATING BY THE PROCTOR? If you are going down, take the guy responsible down with you.

And also it's two years before you can take the exam again, sorry to let you know that, which is why I am telling you aggressively pursue this.
 
yeah like others said, bringing your own marker could helped you in a way that maybe your expo marker was different ones from the ones you get from the testing center (maybe thinner or marker that you are used to practice with)
otherwise, why would you bring in your own markers, esp if you already know that you get markers from the testing center.
you know that you had some kind of intention of making yourself different from thousands of others who were taking this exam and i think that might be good enough reason for testing center to void your exam.

retake ASAP and see if you can take it within 90 days. that would be the best scenario i think
 
And also it's two years before you can take the exam again, sorry to let you know that, which is why I am telling you aggressively pursue this.

That's only if you are suspected of cheating or something along the line. In your case rezvan24, I think you can retake your DAT again earlier than 3 months.
Definitely call the ADA and ask for the exact reason why your scores were voided. If they say it was test "irregularity" and nothing else, then you are fine. Ask them if you can retake the test again within 1 month (if that's what you want). Dental school will not take this against you. Especially when you show them that even on the second time your score is still in that range (21-24). So don't take it as if this is the end of your dental career.
In my judgment, getting your scores reinstated is hard. The decision to void your score is pretty much a permanent one. Though you can appeal, but I don't think this is the best choice. Too many things will be involved and in the end, you probably will not get your scores back.

So sorry to hear your case, but I think you will turn out fine. Getting a 23 on the first time also means you won't have a problem getting it again. That's one heck of a score!!! Remember, if you have to strip naked next time by all means show them your @%* 🙂
 
I believe the man didn't cheat ~ but there's nothing he can say or do to really prove he didn't cheat except retaking the exam and getting the same score! It's not an innocent incident when he knows specifically not to bring in anything, and he did. It's like taking a pound of heroin on the flight because the poster only said, "you can't bring water, firearm, and bombs on this flight."

Thank God you're not going ot Law School...you wouldn't last a day. 👎

To REV: Sorry most people on here are giving you a hard time. I think the best advice as some have already mentioned is definitely appeal, but keep studying because most likely you'll have to retake the test (if they let you). It's an unfortunate situation but like others have said, the rules are in place for a reason, and regardless of intention, you did break a major rule.

So don't worry about adcoms and interviews or anything like that at this point because none of that matters if you don't have a DAT score. Just focus on the test and appeals process and hope for the best.

Good Luck! 👍
 
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But why the HELL would the proctor still allow the person to resume taking the test, if they suspect the person of cheating???!! It's absurd. This proctor was obviously inadequate and did not know what he was doing, hell, how are we to know that he himself didn't give you the marker..wink..wink.
 
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Based on what you've just wrote, I take back what I said in my previous post. There's no way you could have gotten a 23 without cheating.

There's been too many incidences of cheating on the newspapers.


If you're going to make fun of someone else's grammar, maybe you should be sure you are writing correctly first. "Based on what you've just wrote..." 🙄
 
Wow, I guess they just want you to follow the instruction when they say "do not bring anything with you" as they fear you might try to test the system or whatever. The proctor was really enforcing it.

It's sad to see they do that to you. But for now, I guess you can only try to appeal. Cooperate and tell them what you thought. Just tell it like it is.

If they still give you chance to take it again later, then take it. Ignore all the pessimistic scares you hear on here. Nothing is definite until you go through it. If you got stellar DAT score, I think some would still invite you and when they do, they'll be asking that for sure. I'm saying this because not all interviews have same interpretation. You will have to explain by then what was going on with your mind there. If fail, then you know your answer and won't have to wonder about it. You could probably even try foreign dental school and later come back here if you want? I don't know., just throwing ideas. Good luck.
 
But why the HELL would the proctor still allow the person to resume taking the test, if they suspect the person of cheating???!! It's absurd. This proctor was obviously inadequate and did not know what he was doing, hell, how are we to know that he himself didn't give you the marker..wink..wink.

Yea good question. If the proctor lets you continue taking the exam, then that might be Rezvan24 point to argue that if it was a violation, then why did he let it continue? The stories I heard in the past was they stop and send the guy home instead of letting continue.
 
whoa...i lucked out. up here in canada, the mornings can be cold. so i walked into the test centre with a sweater. at some point into the test, i started overheating from all the thinking and so i took off my sweater. they came in soon afterwards to take it away and later explained to me that i could have gotten into A LOT of trouble doing what i did - taking off my sweater.

sure it could have been cheating, but come on. POW camps aren't this strict.
 
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