DRA(and further cuts ruining radiology)

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I am lucky enough to have two uncles that are physicians: one a radiologist practicing for 17 years and the other an anesthesiologist. During a dinner, the radiologist was complaining about the Deficits Reductions Act(DRA) that cut radiology Medicaid/Medicare reimbursements by 25-50% across the board for CT/MRI/etc. This was the first time I had heard about this. Lots of articles out there:
http://www.rsna.org/Publications/rsnanews/January-2008/Physicians_feature.cfm

http://www.dotmed.com/news/story/3508/
The advice he had given me was throw away any preconceptions about the field I was going into because by the time I graduated, many things I learned from residents and attendings now will most likely change by the time I graduate. (ie do the proverbial "do what you love" and not because it pays well and has a good lifestyle). He warned me about the misperceived notion that radiology is a high paying lifestyle field. Although this may have been true years ago, it is not so anymore. The Democrats are on a 007 mission to seriously target imaging costs. The reimbursement schedule is currently on a 10% annual deduction rate. My uncle likes to give me the bottomline info with no bull****. Because radiology is so under control of the government in terms of reimbursements, there isn't much radiologists can do(except the lobbying) besides bite the bullet when Congress decides to enforce pay cuts. In addition, the government for one reason or another is targeting radiology in particular. There are alot of lobbyists out there trying to stop the bleeding but the damage has been done. Once the reimbursements are reduced, they will most likely never come back up; the goal is to stop the progression and salvage what we can.(my uncle has never seen reimbursements increase once they decrease....unless we hit the jackpot with a new imaging tech ie a new "MRI").Many of the smaller practices are closing down due to reimbursement cuts and the inability to buy new equipment. The larger companies will eat up what was left by these closings but in the end it doesnt solve the problem. It is a big cycle. I just felt it was important to see what is really going on out there, because many med students have the idea that there is nothing like radiology and the lifestyle is great. Remember if it is too good to be true, it is. More importantly, although we think we are big shots w/ high board scores and MD's, remember anyone in Congress w/out an MD has more clout and power in terms of controlling our lifestyle.
 
I am lucky enough to have two uncles that are physicians: one a radiologist practicing for 17 years and the other an anesthesiologist. During a dinner, the radiologist was complaining about the Deficits Reductions Act(DRA) that cut radiology Medicaid/Medicare reimbursements by 25-50% across the board for CT/MRI/etc. This was the first time I had heard about this. Lots of articles out there:
http://www.rsna.org/Publications/rsnanews/January-2008/Physicians_feature.cfm

http://www.dotmed.com/news/story/3508/
The advice he had given me was throw away any preconceptions about the field I was going into because by the time I graduated, many things I learned from residents and attendings now will most likely change by the time I graduate. (ie do the proverbial "do what you love" and not because it pays well and has a good lifestyle). He warned me about the misperceived notion that radiology is a high paying lifestyle field. Although this may have been true years ago, it is not so anymore. The Democrats are on a 007 mission to seriously target imaging costs. The reimbursement schedule is currently on a 10% annual deduction rate. My uncle likes to give me the bottomline info with no bull****. Because radiology is so under control of the government in terms of reimbursements, there isn't much radiologists can do(except the lobbying) besides bite the bullet when Congress decides to enforce pay cuts. In addition, the government for one reason or another is targeting radiology in particular. There are alot of lobbyists out there trying to stop the bleeding but the damage has been done. Once the reimbursements are reduced, they will most likely never come back up; the goal is to stop the progression and salvage what we can.(my uncle has never seen reimbursements increase once they decrease....unless we hit the jackpot with a new imaging tech ie a new "MRI").Many of the smaller practices are closing down due to reimbursement cuts and the inability to buy new equipment. The larger companies will eat up what was left by these closings but in the end it doesnt solve the problem. It is a big cycle. I just felt it was important to see what is really going on out there, because many med students have the idea that there is nothing like radiology and the lifestyle is great. Remember if it is too good to be true, it is. More importantly, although we think we are big shots w/ high board scores and MD's, remember anyone in Congress w/out an MD has more clout and power in terms of controlling our lifestyle.

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As much as radiology workload has increased, its still less than clinic or ward work. Even if reimbursement is cut by half, the lifestyle and salary still far exceeds most other specialties. Either you're extremely naive, or this is a desperate attempt scare your competition.

I've learned the amount of work one experience is relative.. compare a normal day of a radiologist to a hospitalist or surgeon, and any dumb med student can see for himself that "overworked" in radiology is a little exaggerated. Regardless, I'm still applying... tell us what you're going into now.
 
scaring competition out at this point would be either desperate or dumb or both as apps can be submitted at 8 am tomorrow. I'm just stating what is going on because I had no idea. How many third years out there have honestly heard of the DRA? As for what i'm going to, i'm of course still applying to radiology despite the reimbursement situation and whatever the government forces us into.(Mentally preparing myself for what is coming tho)
 
scaring competition out at this point would be either desperate or dumb or both as apps can be submitted at 8 am tomorrow. I'm just stating what is going on because I had no idea. How many third years out there have honestly heard of the DRA? As for what i'm going to, i'm of course still applying to radiology despite the reimbursement situation and whatever the government forces us into.(Mentally preparing myself for what is coming tho)

To all radiology applicants--be aware of the DRA but don't let it discourage you. The reality of medicine is that reimbursements will decrease but it won't decrease to the point that you can't make a living. Good for you jynonstop!

Things will always change. Reimbursement will change, guaranteed.
 
I'd be applying for radiology if it paid what family medicine docs get paid.

The opportunities and lifestyle are just a fringe benefit.
 
I didn't see the OP as a show of naivete or an attempt to scare off the competition. It's going to take more than an anonymous post on SDN to do that. It was providing information that others may not be aware of. I am aware that reimbursements have been declining, but did not know specifically of the DRA and how it worked.

It's good to get this information out there, so some of the Kool-Aid drinkers think twice before choosing Rads or any other field b/c of the combination of light workweek and high pay. People like the previous poster are admirable, but we all know that, if Rads salaries were brought down to the level of FP, many (probably most) applicants would run for the hills.
 
I think most people agree that reimbursements will change, and that other specialties have been hit in the recent past with similar challenges (e.g. MOHS surgery took a big cut last year).

How will DRA affect the future of radiology, especially in terms of implementing new modalities or simply new indications for imaging? Aside from reimbursement (and more importantly IMO), will quality care be sacrificied due to these changes?
 
I'd be applying for radiology if it paid what family medicine docs get paid.

The opportunities and lifestyle are just a fringe benefit.

Hell yeah! I would seriously consider quitting medicine before going into FM, IM, or peds. Modern, bureaucratic, litigious medicine is not worth the headache for the income they make.
 
Hell yeah! I would seriously consider quitting medicine before going into FM, IM, or peds. Modern, bureaucratic, litigious medicine is not worth the headache for the income they make.

i don't argue with most reasons for not doing Primary care, but litigious shouldnt be one of them. I think generally they fare pretty well with malpractice premiums, etc.
 
During a dinner, the radiologist was complaining about the Deficits Reductions Act(DRA) that cut radiology Medicaid/Medicare reimbursements by 25-50% across the board for CT/MRI/etc.

From AM: "DRA cut 2007 imaging expenses by $1.7 billion"

"Medicare spent $1.7 billion less on imaging services in 2007 thanks to the reimbursement cuts mandated by the Deficit Reduction Act of 2005, according to a report issued today by the U.S. Government Accountability Office (GAO). The decline represents the first year-over-year drop in Medicare spending since 2000, the report states."


Maybe the sky isn't falling. Maybe it's just getting a little closer and closer and closer to the ground...? But at least all doctors across all medical professions get crushed together. If they do it one specialty at a time, nobody will even speak up until it's way too late!
 
Haha, I for one wouldn't mind the Rads field looking less attractive to med students.. :meanie: More hope for me that I'll make it in!

I think radiology is an awesome field, granted I haven't done rotations in it, just hung around a lot of radiology residents who are really chill people. I think the diagnostic aspects of the field are great, I love interpreting and working with images (not going to lie, Xrays make me feel like superman, haha), anatomy is a blast, and I really enjoy learning about all the technology and working with computers. Add my art background (lots of practice interpreting 3d in 2d. I drew my avatar in charcoal), and rads (as of now) seems to be a great field for me.

I'm a first year though, so I openly acknowledge that I know nothing 🙂 Except how to find free food. For now my biggest concern is how to not spill cadaver all over the floor while removing random viscera, lol.
 
ACR Statement on GAO Report Regarding the Effect of the Deficit Reduction ACT of 2005 on Medical Imaging Utilization and Cost

The September 2008 GAO report on the effects of the Deficit Reduction Act of 2005 (DRA) on medical imaging reimbursement revealed that the DRA cuts were far deeper than the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) initially stated. In fact, the September 2008 GAO report confirms that 2005 ACR statement cuts are approximately three times that of the initial CBO estimates.

While the DRA lowered Medicare imaging costs by decreasing per unit reimbursement for examinations, these cuts disproportionately impact radiologists. Radiologists do not typically order advanced imaging examinations because patients are referred to them by other providers for the purpose of receiving scans.

Moreover, the DRA may actually increase inappropriate utilization because physicians who own imaging equipment and refer their patients to those scanners; a process known as self-referral, are able to simply increase the number of tests that they order to make up for cuts to reimbursement for each individual scan.

In fact, the June 2008 Government Accountability Office (GAO) report regarding growth in medical imaging services identified self-referral, as a significant driver of increased imaging utilization and associated cost to the Medicare system.

The ACR supports recent legislation passed by Congress to curtail inappropriate utilization of imaging studies by implementing mandatory accreditation of imaging providers and the development of pilot projects to reduce inappropriate utilization by peer to peer interactions using appropriateness criteria which can provide guidance as to which scans; if any, are most appropriate for a given indication at the time of order entry.

The ACR also supports the initiative of the Center for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS) that require all physician offices providing advanced imaging studies to register as independent diagnostic testing facilities (IDTFs) in order to improve transparency and allow appropriate regulation as currently exists for IDTFs.

These quality based initiatives reflect a targeted and sustainable approach to be built upon if Congress and CMS are moving forward with addressing unnecessary imaging utilization.


M. Shawn Farley
Public Relations Manager
American College of Radiology


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Let's keep supporting the ACR!
 
I've been following SDN for a while now and year after year, everyone anticipated that there will be some huge cut. However, as far as I can see, the compensation continue to rise for radiologist. And while it may be static or mildly decreased when adjusted for inflation, it's still by no mean a significant slow down in salary advancement, particularly when compared with all the other specialties where compensations change in compensation is not too far off compared to radiology. It's a good field, and lets be honest here, the compensation will remain one of the best relative to other specialties.

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