Types of EM jobs

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I apologize if this is kind of a basic question, but I'm just a little confused. What are the different types of EM jobs? I've heard people use the terms academic medicine, private group, independent contractor etc...what are the differences between these and what types of hospitals hire each? I think I have an understanding of academic medicine (residency program, teaching and research requirements), but I'm curious about private groups and independent contractors. Are community or non-teaching hospitals "private group" emergency departments? What does this mean exactly in terms of your employment?
 
You can be:

Hospital employee-paid directly from the hospital, usually comes with benefits, malpractice, etc. Litlle/No involvement with billing/business aspects

University employee-in academic settings, similar to above but paid by the university/med school, obviously may include teaching, research responsibilities. Usually excellent benefits.

Independent contractor-often come without or with limited benfits, can work multiple places potentially for higher hourly rates. More complicated tax wise, must insure adequate malpractive. Can join a locums group that pimps you out and helps with licenses, job placements, etc.

Democratic group- You work with a group which bills for their own services, usually with a higher salary involved since there are less hands in the pot. The group must manage billing, insurance. All members have a say in the group. They will often hire temps to try them out at a lower salary with or without guarenteed partnership at a later date.

Contract management group- This is a company who gets a contract with a hospital to provide ED services. You then simply punch a clock for an hourly wage wth benefits provided by the group. A significant portion of your billed services are going to the management group as profit off of you. Must be careful as some these contracts have unfavorable terms like no tail coverage, or restrict your employement after leaving. Go to AAEM (not going to debate on here) about their concerns that this type of setting.

This is not all inclusive by any means but hope it helps.
 
Thanks so much, that's very helpful. So, do hospitals only stay with one system? All of the physicians in the ED at XYZ hospital are from the same group and those docs work only in that facility? But then a different ED works only with hospital employees?
 
You can be:

Hospital employee-paid directly from the hospital, usually comes with benefits, malpractice, etc. Litlle/No involvement with billing/business aspects

University employee-in academic settings, similar to above but paid by the university/med school, obviously may include teaching, research responsibilities. Usually excellent benefits.

Independent contractor-often come without or with limited benfits, can work multiple places potentially for higher hourly rates. More complicated tax wise, must insure adequate malpractive. Can join a locums group that pimps you out and helps with licenses, job placements, etc.

Democratic group- You work with a group which bills for their own services, usually with a higher salary involved since there are less hands in the pot. The group must manage billing, insurance. All members have a say in the group. They will often hire temps to try them out at a lower salary with or without guarenteed partnership at a later date.

Contract management group- This is a company who gets a contract with a hospital to provide ED services. You then simply punch a clock for an hourly wage wth benefits provided by the group. A significant portion of your billed services are going to the management group as profit off of you. Must be careful as some these contracts have unfavorable terms like no tail coverage, or restrict your employement after leaving. Go to AAEM (not going to debate on here) about their concerns that this type of setting.

This is not all inclusive by any means but hope it helps.

Could some of the higher-ups maybe speak to this a little bit. I have heard chatter that the benefits in academia can be so good as to offset quite a large differential in the size of the biweekly paycheck. Do people find that to be true?
 
Could some of the higher-ups maybe speak to this a little bit. I have heard chatter that the benefits in academia can be so good as to offset quite a large differential in the size of the biweekly paycheck. Do people find that to be true?

Well for retirement benfits for example, I have a $2 university match to every $1 I put in. Free life insurance, free disability coverage, etc. Because benefits vary so much, it makes it very difficult to compare jobs. Another thing you have to realize is, some high paying jobs require working a ton of hours. After talking to some of my friends making quite a bit more in community jobs, I realized that they were working more then 160hr/month. When you take all of that into account you see the pay is not THAT different (at least hourly).

If you are not the academic type, consider working at an academic affiliate. You get the benefits, usually the title of assoc prof, less required teaching/research responsibilites. Or you can work a percentage at the university hospital and the rest at the community affiliate, etc.

Lots of possibilities. If you arent sure, set up interviews at a variety of places and see where you seem to fit. And definitely take benefits into account. A lot of universities have standardized benefits which are posted online for public viewing.

And EMmedic: Usually everyone is the same type of employee within an ED. But it is possible to have some mix like a democratic group hiring some independents to fill in or to try them out, etc.
 
I work at a community hospital where the university has the contract, so it's sort of an academic affiliation. I have no real teaching or research duties, although we have residents rotate with us every so often. And I get the "assistant professor" designation, which is nice if I ever go back to full time academia.

The benefits are great. Paid health, life and disabilty, and we have a unique sovereign immunity/occurance malpractice setup. They put 10% of my net into a 403b whether I put any in or not. I can also participate in state benefits if I choose.

Although my hourly is less than many of my IC colleagues, the benefits do make up for it, IMHO. (And we're hiring... 😉 )

Danielle
 
I am going from an academic to truly democratic FFS group. My benefits now:

~ 10-15k a year in my 401k from my employer.
Great health insurance
Great life insurance
Great disability insurance
Great dental insurance
I work ~ 14 shifts a month (8 hours), as I am not "full faculty." (this equals about 115 hours a month).

I will be going to a sweet setup, where my salary will nearly double (and on top of that bonuses once I make partner, where it will skyrocket). I get disability insurance, but have to pay for everything else. All the other "insurances" will probably run ~20k a year, but if I am making double what I am now, it easily makes up for it. I also get 46k a year pretax in a retirement plan, which really helps with the taxes later on.

Q
 
I am going from an academic to truly democratic FFS group. My benefits now:

~ 10-15k a year in my 401k from my employer.
Great health insurance
Great life insurance
Great disability insurance
Great dental insurance
I work ~ 14 shifts a month (8 hours), as I am not "full faculty." (this equals about 115 hours a month).

I will be going to a sweet setup, where my salary will nearly double (and on top of that bonuses once I make partner, where it will skyrocket). I get disability insurance, but have to pay for everything else. All the other "insurances" will probably run ~20k a year, but if I am making double what I am now, it easily makes up for it. I also get 46k a year pretax in a retirement plan, which really helps with the taxes later on.

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If you are also an independent contractor, then you'll have several tax advantages open up for you. Deductions (health insurance, business costs, etc.), SEP-IRA's (more money into tax-deferred plans), etc.

I highly recommend looking into high-deductible HSA-compatible insurance options as it will offer more deductions.
 
If you are also an independent contractor, then you'll have several tax advantages open up for you. Deductions (health insurance, business costs, etc.), SEP-IRA's (more money into tax-deferred plans), etc.

I highly recommend looking into high-deductible HSA-compatible insurance options as it will offer more deductions.

Thankfully I will NOT be independent contractor. Which I am super psyched about. I have yet to fully understand the whole setup but from what I've seen from tlakign to everyone up there, its the jewel of the nile.

I will post more once I realize what its like out in the community and how our pay is structured.

Q
 
I have a friend who is involved in a democratic group and is an independent contractor. He avgs 50hr wk and makes $375,000 yr. I think the opportunities in this field are endless!
 
I have a friend who is involved in a democratic group and is an independent contractor. He avgs 50hr wk and makes $375,000 yr. I think the opportunities in this field are endless!

50 hours a week? Why torture himself like that?!?!

And remember that as independent contractor, though the salary seems high, you have to pay for nearly all of your benefits. So in reality he is making much less.

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Can you be an independent contractor if you're also a partner in the group? When you make partner in an indie group I thought you signed on to the LLP. or whatever and you were making your extra money (bonuses) from the partnership.
 
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Thankfully I will NOT be independent contractor. Which I am super psyched about. I have yet to fully understand the whole setup but from what I've seen from tlakign to everyone up there, its the jewel of the nile.

I will post more once I realize what its like out in the community and how our pay is structured.

Q

Just curious, why are you psyched to not be IC? I thought IC status gives you more flexibility as far as setting up a SEP-IRA and being able to have more write-offs that come off the top of your income....

Also, you stated that your group provides disability insurance. If you are getting this as a benefit, god forbid you become disabled, you will get taxed on your monthly checks....It may be better for you to get your own DI and not deduct it as an expense.

In my group, we get NOTHING as far as benefits, but we have group malpractice that we all pay quarterly...It is about 15k/yr for each of us. We each have about 2k/mo in admin expenses, and we pay our billing company 9% of collections. The rest is ours. We also divide up the revenues that the NP/PA's and pre-partners (we have only 2 now) generate.

If your group is similar in structure, you will be making bank, so enjoy!
 
Can you be an independent contractor if you're also a partner in the group? When you make partner in an indie group I thought you signed on to the LLP. or whatever and you were making your extra money (bonuses) from the partnership.

Yeah I'm not EXACTLY sure how the set up is, its quite convoluted but extremely fair. They are one of AAEM's "100% compliance" groups. I am unsure if it is IC or not, I think the first two years I'm not IC but then maybe partner I am. I asked the question if it was IC and they said "sort of" so that will just have to be straightened out when I get there.

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I actually prefer IC status. You can contribute a lot to a SEP-IRA ($46,000 per year). The only drawbacks is if you have a pre-existing health condition, it might be hard to get health insurance. Also, you get no worker's compensation. If you stick yourself with a needle at work, it'll be you who pays.

Speaking of which, can an individual purchase a worker's comp insurance (for stuff that disability insurance doesn't pay)?
 
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