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Hello Everyone. I am currently a PGY1 resident at ORMC and I am loving it. I cannot imagine a better program for me. I chose ORMC as my #1 because it is a powerhouse of a program. We are looking for smart, hard working, experienced , candidates that can also hold a conversation and have a little fun. The new 1st year class is a strong group of individuals who are down to earth, hard working, and enjoy life. Interviewing here is a must if you want to get strong clinical training in an area of the country where you can go to the pool in the winter. It is sunny right now with no humidity and it will stay like this until may. We will be unveiling our new website soon, but until then here is a little snap shot. If you train here you can get a job anywhere in the country. West coast to East coast no problem we have been around long enough to have sent graduates everywhere.

Here is an interview review post from last year below: I will add on my spin as well

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Residents: 14 residents per year. Residents play a big role in the selection process and were actively involved all day as well as the night before. The residents are really friendly, outgoing, down-to-earth, and impressive. They genuinely seem to be friends. Everyone I spoke to ranked it first, and all of them emphasized how happy they were. There are a lot of single residents, but still a mix of married and a few with kids. Many residents live in the same complex downtown, and it seems like they all hang out a lot. They have a reputation as a fun, cohesive group and make it clear that they choose incoming residents that will fit the mold.-
-my class is 50/50 married or single.

Faculty: They have added about 10 new faculty members in the last 3 years to complement a host of people who have been here for a long time. The PD, Dr. Silvestri, is very resident-friendly and was the region's EMS director. Two of the senior attendings hold significant positions within the hospital, guaranteeing the Emergency Department support and funding. Residents report a first-name-basis relationship with almost everyone, and the some of the attendings also hang out with residents outside of work. The new faculty includes multiple Pedi-trained attendings to staff the new Ped ED, a research director, a simulation director, and a couple of ultrasound attendings. Additionally, the faculty responds very well to resident input.

Hospital:
Almost every rotation is in the ORMC campus, which includes the main hospital, Arnold Palmer Children's Hospital, and the very new WinniePalmerHospital for Women and Babies. Together, these three have >1100 beds, and the 2 EDs see >100,000 visits per year combined.
Orlando Regional Healthcare: 500+ bed community hospital, Level 1 Trauma center (blunt and penetrating), and the region's burn center. The adult ED is a good facility, mostly private rooms and electronic patient tracking and ordering. There is a fast track staffed with PA and NP's, and the residents rarely work there. Four busy trauma bays are located adjacent to a hallway with 2 dedicated CT scanners and X-ray. This ED gets about 70,000 people a year, a solid mix of insured and uninsured (maybe 60-40% or 70-30% as per resident estimate), with a high acuity level (30% admission rate).

A.P. Children's Hospital: Dedicated children's hospital with a brand new 33 bed ED. Private rooms with flat screen TVs, computerized tracking and ordering, 4 big trauma bays with dedicated radiology. Sees >30,000 and growing. Very pretty facility.

Ancillary Stuff: We were told the ancillary support is great in the ED. Additionally, everyone in the ED seems to get along very well, from the chair to the janitorial staff…
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very fun place to work. You do not do scutt work. In my first month I was averaging 12-16 patients a shift. You don't have to put in peripheral lines, (unless the nursing staff cannot get them and they need your Ultra sound guided support), everything is done for you and runs to make our job as smooth as possible so that we can see as many patients as possible. You are the doctor and you do doctor duties. The ancillary staff is great.
Admitting/Documentation: No problems with admitting. Paper Charts (T-sheets), but computerized ordering, and no dictating. The rest of the hospital charts electronically, so you can look up old charts/EKGs on the computer.

Curriculum: Dynamic 3 year curriculum with emphasis on critical care and ED time. Interns have almost a half year in the ED, plus 2 months of trauma (there is a big trauma census here), an Anesthesia/Ultrasound month (room to room throwing tubes – there are no anesthesia residents in the hospital), and a month in the MICU. Second year is largely ED and critical care time (4 more months), including the popular Jacksonville ICU month (one on one with an attending with tons of procedures and autonomy). Third year is 9mo of ED time, and a month as teaching resident. They have 3 elective months (most I've seen for a 3 year program) – including many international options, and excellent Peds exposure (1 dedicated month in PGY1, then 20-25% interspersed shifts the rest of the way - plus a PICU month). This may be the best Peds exposure I've seen for a 3 year program, especially with the new facility and growing census. The off-service months have been streamlined towards EM – hold the consult pager for ortho, catch babies all day in OB, throw tubes all day in Anesth, etc. They each get a small lap top computer to carry for charting and ordering when on the floors. Also, the faculty has made changes based on resident suggestions. Mostly 12 hour shifts (Peds are usually 10s) – and everyone gets a 30min break during the shift. Interns work 20 shifts, second years work 18 shifts, and third years work 16 shifts per month. Residents get tons of procedures both in the ED and on off-service rotations, where they are valued members of the team (always among the strongest residents in the hospital). The program emphasizes ultrasound use, and is increasing the use of simulation medicine. Additionally, the program is very "resident-run" – beyond altering the curriculum based on resident suggestions, residents also establish committees for research, education, etc, and make decisions about the direction of the program as a group with the faculty.
The orientation month consists of daily morning lectures and 10 ED shifts. In addition interns are allowed to focus on other required courses such as PALS, ACLS and ATLS. The ED shifts mainly consist of adult shifts but do include several pediatric shifts. This allows interns to get comfortable in the new environment with supervision and guidance. Having the extra time to get oriented to the ED, the computer systems, and the ED staff (ancillary as well as other physicians) is an excellent advantage for a new resident. One of the greatest advantages to this approach is to ease the transition from medical student to an intern. The lectures and extra time spent with attending physicians and senior residents, allows new interns to learn what is expected of them and how to provide superior patient care. The orientation month builds the knowledge base through didactics, simulation, and patient care. It also serves as a team building time. It allows new interns to meet senior residents and faculty
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After you get comfortable in the department you start seeing sick patients right away. In my first 2 month I was treating sepsis, playing with pressors, Placeing central lines, intubating people, thoracentesis, lumbar punctures, my colleagues were putting in chest tubes, diagnosing surgical emergencies with bedside US and on and on. Just a lowely intern. You dont see that at every program.
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you also have the opportunity to rotate in New Zealand, Hawaii, BAli, Dominican republic, or any other place you can muster up. What other programs give you those opportunities? You get 3 months of electives to do what ever you want.
Didactics/Research: Didactics are split into 2 mornings a week. Residents have a near 100% boards passing rate over the last decade or more. Research has been stepped up quite a bit with the addition of new faculty (although ORMC has always published well). The new research director, Dr. Papa has NIH funded research. There are ongoing ultrasound, EMS, simulation and critical care projects. The program has EMS, Ultrasound, and Research Fellowships, and is in the process of starting a Peds fellowship.
The overall mission of the program is academic in nature and a solid clinical training program that has been known to turn out some bad-ass clinicians. We are all involved in research and is getting stronger and stronger each year.

City: ORMC is located in downtown Orlando, >15 miles away from the Disney parks and surrounding tourist wonderland most people associate with Orlando. The downtown area has been revitalized quite a bit in the last few years, with increasing residential areas and nightlife. There are many beautiful lakes, and some pretty parks around the city. Additionally, there is an unbelievable array of dining/drinking/entertainment options in the surrounding areas. The weather is hot and sunny year round, and the real estate is relatively cheap. You can be surfing in CocoaBeach in an hour, or fishing in the Gulf in an hour and a half – any time of year. Fabulous golf courses are everywhere. Orlando is a great town, in a great location – and you can't beat the weather!

Extras: Salary is good for Florida (starting $41,700+ as PGY1, no state income tax). Free food at the hospital 24hrs a day, and free parking right next door.
4 weeks vacation, including 1 week on either christmas or new years every year. Excellent insurance and a retirement package with partial matching of funds after one year. Moonlighting in the unit at a local hospital in the ORMC system as a third year. Chance to attend a Disaster Preparedness Course with NASA (in case of Shuttle emergency), also medical missions to the DR. The University of Central Florida is opening an allopathic medical school this year, and ORMC will be a major clinical site.


Overall: I have a really great feeling about this place. It's a Academic center in a community hospital with beds that move and a system that makes a residents life easier. Which I think may be the best combination for EM training. This is an older, established, well-respected program with a culture of happy, productive residents. There is a "big family" type atmosphere between the faculty, residents and staff – all of whom have impressive skills but still manage to have more fun than anyone else I've met. In addition, the new faculty has brought a ton of expertise and academic potential. Just a great program overall…
- You are taught entirely by our friendly experienced EM faculty, not residents who all love to teach. Once you get here you will see the opportunity to truly build you skill set. You will defiantly work hard in our department but you will never feel alone. I traveled to many places last year and ORMC had everything I was looking for; an outstanding reputation, academics in a community hospital with large indigent population (simulating real life). We have a supportive staff, funding for travel and research, and an unbelievable patient load because everything flows so well here. You will feel like part of the ORMC family. We hang out with our staff and they treat us like friends and colleagues Also, the great weather is a plus along with Orlando being a fairly cheap place to live.
 
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Great, so when do I get my interview? My application has been complete for a long. Heck, I even wrote the program director to say that I would be in Orlando interviewing at another program and would love to do my ORMC interview then. I still haven't heard back.

I disagree with your statement that Orlando is cheap. How many of your single residents were able to purchase homes?
 
Great, so when do I get my interview? My application has been complete for a long. Heck, I even wrote the program director to say that I would be in Orlando interviewing at another program and would love to do my ORMC interview then. I still haven't heard back.

I disagree with your statement that Orlando is cheap. How many of your single residents were able to purchase homes?

Sorry you haven't heard back about your application yet, we have a lot of amazing applicants this year and are still very much in the process of granting interviews. If you get an interview, our staff, like most others, will help schedule a date that works best for you.

"Cheap" is a relative term. Compared to the large cities up north, Orlando is indeed an affordable place to live. On the other hand, there are certainly many places in the US with a lower cost of living. Many of us own homes/condos here, including single residents. Feel free to contact me if you have any other questions. Good luck!
 
Is your program still notoriously DO-unfriendly? When I applied way back when I got rejected within about 10 minutes of submitting my ERAS application, and they didn't even look at my Step 1 score or LORs.
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Is your program still notoriously DO-unfriendly? When I applied way back when I got rejected within about 10 minutes of submitting my ERAS application, and they didn't even look at my Step 1 score or LORs.
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I interviewed for an attending job there. I didn't take it because of questionable, and shady business tacts (i.e. abusing new hires and firing them before they reached "partnership").

Program seems like it will be okay however.
 
Is your program still notoriously DO-unfriendly? When I applied way back when I got rejected within about 10 minutes of submitting my ERAS application, and they didn't even look at my Step 1 score or LORs.
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It's true that we don't have any current residents that have a DO, although I don't believe that there is any sort of mandate or official bias against them - just the way it worked out. I know the program welcomes DO applicants. Also, we have many DO's from the IM residency here that do off-service rotations through our department, and they seem well-liked.
 
I interviewed for an attending job there. I didn't take it because of questionable, and shady business tacts (i.e. abusing new hires and firing them before they reached "partnership").

Program seems like it will be okay however.

I think you may be confusing us with Florida Hospital. The Emergency Dept at Orlando Regional is staffed by a very stable group with a handful of new hires over the last couple of years, most notably ultrasound, simulation, and pediatric fellowship trained faculty members. As far as I can tell, the newer folks work a very similar number of shifts to the older ones and they all seem extremely happy. Also, ORMC has had an EM residency program for over 20 years (Florida Hospital opened one this summer).
 
It's true that we don't have any current residents that have a DO, although I don't believe that there is any sort of mandate or official bias against them - just the way it worked out. I know the program welcomes DO applicants. Also, we have many DO's from the IM residency here that do off-service rotations through our department, and they seem well-liked.

Ah, of course you welcome DO applicants, but according to EMRA have not had a DO in the past 5 years. I applied in 2003, and then there were no DOs at that time either. So the prejudice still must exist. The fact that I was rejected within 15 minutes of my submitting ERAS was just amazing!
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Ah, of course you welcome DO applicants, but according to EMRA have not had a DO in the past 5 years. I applied in 2003, and then there were no DOs at that time either. So the prejudice still must exist. The fact that I was rejected within 15 minutes of my submitting ERAS was just amazing!
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Don't take it personally, Florida is one of the "five states".
 
I think you may be confusing us with Florida Hospital. The Emergency Dept at Orlando Regional is staffed by a very stable group with a handful of new hires over the last couple of years, most notably ultrasound, simulation, and pediatric fellowship trained faculty members. As far as I can tell, the newer folks work a very similar number of shifts to the older ones and they all seem extremely happy. Also, ORMC has had an EM residency program for over 20 years (Florida Hospital opened one this summer).

You are quite right.
 
Ah, of course you welcome DO applicants, but according to EMRA have not had a DO in the past 5 years. I applied in 2003, and then there were no DOs at that time either. So the prejudice still must exist. The fact that I was rejected within 15 minutes of my submitting ERAS was just amazing!
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Just remember, DO programs rarely take MD applicants.

Just sayin'...
 
Ah, of course you welcome DO applicants, but according to EMRA have not had a DO in the past 5 years. I applied in 2003, and then there were no DOs at that time either. So the prejudice still must exist. The fact that I was rejected within 15 minutes of my submitting ERAS was just amazing!
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Dont feel bad they have never had a DO come through the program. Some have been ranked over the years, but none have made it through.
 
wow. Well I rotated there, nice place, good pathology. Interesting set up. Def a decent program and I am glad he likes it. It most Def doesnt have the big national rep. Also even regionally the truth is that in EM there are much "bigger" names in the southeast. Now all that being said it is a good place and everyone should look for more than just a big "name".

Just my 2 cents.
 
Right, which is why I hate reading the words "DO unfriendly."

A DO program director is powerless even if he/she would like to rank MD applicants, which is very different from a MD program director that chooses not to rank a qualified applicant that otherwise would have been ranked, simply because of where that applicant went to school, age, race, gender, political affiliation, vegetarian...etc. Granted some of the examples I listed were illegal, but really discrimination is discrimniation, legal or not. When a qualified individual is not considered for a position simply because of something about that person that has NOTHING to do with the performing the job itself is discrimination. Period.

If you hate reading "DO unfriendly" because you feel that MDs are also discrimnated against, despite being qualified for DO programs, feel free to take it up with the American Osteopathic Association that thinks otherwise. Meanwhile, I expect you to hold the same standard for INDIVIDUAL program directors that should be responsible for their individual decisions for whatever their individual reasoning might be.
 
A DO program director is powerless even if he/she would like to rank MD applicants, which is very different from a MD program director that chooses not to rank a qualified applicant that otherwise would have been ranked, simply because of where that applicant went to school, age, race, gender, political affiliation, vegetarian...etc. Granted some of the examples I listed were illegal, but really discrimination is discrimniation, legal or not. When a qualified individual is not considered for a position simply because of something about that person that has NOTHING to do with the performing the job itself is discrimination. Period.

If you hate reading "DO unfriendly" because you feel that MDs are also discrimnated against, despite being qualified for DO programs, feel free to take it up with the American Osteopathic Association that thinks otherwise. Meanwhile, I expect you to hold the same standard for INDIVIDUAL program directors that should be responsible for their individual decisions for whatever their individual reasoning might be.
Right, there exists a double standard. Why should MD programs take DO applicants when DO programs won't take MD applicants?

Perhaps if DO's take issue with AOA about this, then less MD's would be offended by DO's trying to get into MD programs without the option existing for MD's to get into DO programs.
 
Ah, of course you welcome DO applicants, but according to EMRA have not had a DO in the past 5 years. I applied in 2003, and then there were no DOs at that time either. So the prejudice still must exist. The fact that I was rejected within 15 minutes of my submitting ERAS was just amazing!
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Ever sine EMRA was re vamped, I have noted their website to be highly in accurate as to the number of FMG's and DO's a program has accepted. There have been several that have stated zero but upon review of their rosters, they have several. I have emailed their webmaster about it a couple of times but they never got back to me.
 
"Also even regionally the truth is that in EM there are much "bigger" names in the southeast. "

Just out of curiosity, what would you say the big SE names are?
 
"Also even regionally the truth is that in EM there are much "bigger" names in the southeast. "

Just out of curiosity, what would you say the big SE names are?

Emory, Carolinas, Vandy. Although I've always considered Orlando to be a well respected program and actually thought it had a national reputation.
 
I didn't write the original post, but most of the words were mine (cut and paste from my review of the program when I was interviewing last year and then posted by one of my co-interns). Name recognition was never really a factor for me, especially since most EM programs seem to have no trouble placing their graduates in desirable jobs. I don't know about "national powerhouse" - those words were not mine - but I do know there's a map in our office with a pin for every graduate, and those pins are spread all over the country (and some as far away as New Zealand). That's good enough for me.

I imagine the other well-established SE programs mentioned above also send graduates all around the country. Vandy is a University Hospital, and Emory/Grady is a humongous inner-city county hospital - both very different training experiences than ours. I'd say Carolinas is a very similar program - academic training in a community setting - and it's no surprise that we share a lot of applicants.
 
Right, there exists a double standard. Why should MD programs take DO applicants when DO programs won't take MD applicants?

Perhaps if DO's take issue with AOA about this, then less MD's would be offended by DO's trying to get into MD programs without the option existing for MD's to get into DO programs.

I'm all for DO residencies being open to MD applicants, and IIRC, there was talk about considering the idea for DO residencies that were not filling.

But there are several concerns if this ever were to happen.

One would be the OMM component, which DO students receive during school. Granted, few DO graduates use OMM once in residency and beyond, but if the standard currently is that all applicants receive OMM training prior to residency and are expected to perform OMM during residency then this would become an issue.

Since people advise, myself included, that DO applicants take the USMLE to allow 'apple-to-apple' score comparisons, should DO residencies strongly suggest or require MD applicants to take the COMLEX? Again the issue of OMM training, which is tested in the COMLEX, appears. One could certainly pass the COMLEX with a poor recall of OMM (heh), but the competitiveness of that score diminishes, of course.

Second is the AOA requirement that all DO graduates complete the traditional rotating internship prior to entering residency. While this intern year is sometimes incorporated into the residency, it does add a year to certain specialties. DO EM residencies are all 4 years, as an example.

Will MDs be required to complete the rotating internship? If so, I'm sure quite a few would not want to add an additional year to their training when allopathic training does not. I didn't.

Then comes the question of board certification. What would one make of the MD who is board certified by a DO specialty board? How does one go about getting all the specialty boards to agree to that?

Lots of complex logistical concerns underneath a simple "DO programs should let in MD applicants" statement.

But to answer your question: "Why should MD programs take DO applicants when DO programs won't take MD applicants?"

MD programs that take DO applicants most likely want the best candidates from both types of schools. Perhaps they infer or realize that the candidates have no say on who can apply to DO programs, and choose not to punish the people who have no power to effect this change, if that was ever an issue on the minds of PDs.

I sincerely doubt that MD programs that don't take DO's do so because of the MD applicant / DO residency disparity. They do so because they feel they have enough qualified candidates in the MD realm, or perhap feel that DO applicants will lower their reputation in the residency world.

That's the impression I got during my residency application time. It's the thing that's often repeated in every forum "DO applicants need to have better stats than their MD counterparts to remain competitive in the residency process."

So let's be honest here. MD programs not taking DO applicants has nothing to do with DO programs not taking MD applicants.

In fact, if more MD programs took more DO applicants, the percentage of DOs entering MD residencies - which hovers around 50%, might increase to the point that the AOA would have to seriously entertain the notion of taking MD applicants to avoid loss of funding, or increase the number and quality of their programs to keep DOs in their programs. Ether one would be a step in the right direction.
 
I just want to say that majority of the EM residencies actually don't seem to discriminate based on where someone went to medical school, so I don't want to sound like I was criticizing all of the MD residencies. It's only the minority, like Orlando in this case, that is shallow enough to care.

I don't think discrimination based on where someone went to school, or any kind of discrimination in general is a trait that goes well with being a physician, especially with a physician in a leadership position like the residency director or chairman. If one kind of discrimination exists, who knows what other kinds of inbred shallowness might be going on with that program. If there's discrimination against men, you bet there would be some women speaking up against it even though it favors women. Somehow that's not true with MD physicians in this case of talking about programs like Orlando, or at least I've never heard of it, but I do hear DO physicians criticizing the AOA for not accepting MD applicants all the time. I wonder if I should be surprised by that, because I guess shallowness exists in all kinds ,even amongst physicians.
 
We are getting way off topic here, but I will feed this as food for thought. This is not necessarily my opinion, but is one I've heard tossed around more than a few times.

For an osteopath (DO) to attend an allopathic (MD) residency could be the same thing as allowing a naturopath (ND), doctor of physician assistant (DPA), or a doctor of nurse practitioner (DNP) to attend a residency.

Perhaps it's best that osteopaths stick with osteopathic residency (so they can get the OMM training) and allopaths stick to allopathic residencies.
 
There was a similar discussion last year about ORMC and its reputation last interview season that Quin quickly turned into a discussion about our DO status. The thread began with something positive and Quin quickly turned it into something personal.
We as a program would like to reiterate that the circumstances mentioned above are a reflection of one individual’s application. DO and MD applications are all considered.
My intensions of this post were not to have a discussion on DO applications, but an attempt to highlight some of the great aspects of our program. U/E is correct that “Powerhouse” was not his word but mine. I believe that our program is well respected and the word reflects my satisfaction with the training and opportunities here.
 
Applying to residency is a humbling experience. Reality is there are hundreds of bright, hardworking dedicated residents applying to every program in the country. and its hard to tell why people do or don't get interviews at certain programs.

I loved Orlando from the moment I got down here. Our attendings are passionate and approachable. The residents are genuinely happy (most of the time I dont think anyone except a masochist is happy during trauma call) and I don't have to fight residents from other subspecialties for procedures. My first patient was a septic (pneumonia/urosepsis) with a NSTEMI. I hesitated at first to take the chart wondering if i should let a more senior resident have it. The guy was tachy in the 120s with a BP 90/50 and definitely confused. I paused and looked at my attending who said "you're a doctor, go see the patient" so I did; I got my first exposure to early goal directed therapy as well as medical management of MI. And the patient survived having me as his doctor.
 
We are getting way off topic here, but I will feed this as food for thought. This is not necessarily my opinion, but is one I've heard tossed around more than a few times.

For an osteopath (DO) to attend an allopathic (MD) residency could be the same thing as allowing a naturopath (ND), doctor of physician assistant (DPA), or a doctor of nurse practitioner (DNP) to attend a residency.

Perhaps it's best that osteopaths stick with osteopathic residency (so they can get the OMM training) and allopaths stick to allopathic residencies.



Are you really an attending physician somewhere? As a veteran D.O.(25 years) in emergency medicine) I am somewhat dubious after reading your post. We (D.O's in emergency medicine) are numerous in ACGME post graduate programs as well as our own Emergency Medicine programs and have been for many years. Your silly comparison of D.O's to PA's and Nurse Practitioners apparently displays your ignorance of the fact that only M.D.'s and D.O.'s are fully licensed physicians in the U.S. (that is, medically l licensed without restriction). OMM is not a formal part of any Osteopathic Emergency Medicine residency anywhere that I am aware of so it would not be a factor in any D.O. enrolled in any ACGME Emergency Medicine residency, (as thousands have been through the years). My 11 year old nephew once got on my SDN on my home PC and tried to post and something similar to that is what I suspect happened in your case. No real American Physician would be so clueless as to write something so inane.
 
Are you really an attending physician somewhere? As a veteran D.O.(25 years) in emergency medicine) I am somewhat dubious after reading your post. We (D.O's in emergency medicine) are numerous in ACGME post graduate programs as well as our own Emergency Medicine programs and have been for many years. Your silly comparison of D.O's to PA's and Nurse Practitioners apparently displays your ignorance of the fact that only M.D.'s and D.O.'s are fully licensed physicians in the U.S. (that is, medically l licensed without restriction). OMM is not a formal part of any Osteopathic Emergency Medicine residency anywhere that I am aware of so it would not be a factor in any D.O. enrolled in any ACGME Emergency Medicine residency, (as thousands have been through the years). My 11 year old nephew once got on my SDN on my home PC and tried to post and something similar to that is what I suspect happened in your case. No real American Physician would be so clueless as to write something so inane.
My original post stated: This is not necessarily my opinion, but is one I've heard tossed around more than a few times.

I think you overlooked that in my original post. I personally do not have a problem with DO's.

Nevertheless, I'm no longer participating in this thread as it has gotten way off topic.

Orlando Regional has an excellent training program that is well recognized.
 
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I don't care what anyone else says. Besides, in post-apocalypse Earth when giants insects take over the world, the only physicians will be DOs:

[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mWa_rBE_wA[/YOUTUBE]

Choke on that suckas.
 
My original post stated: This is not necessarily my opinion, but is one I've heard tossed around more than a few times.

I think you overlooked that in my original post. I personally do not have a problem with DO's.

Nevertheless, I'm no longer participating in this thread as it has gotten way off topic.

Orlando Regional has an excellent training program that is well recognized.

The last sentence of your post states "Perhaps it's best that osteopaths stick with osteopathic residency (so they can get the OMM training) and allopaths stick to allopathic residencies."

This statement is clearly presented as your personal point of view, not a view you have "heard" from others. Again, just for your own education, countless D.O.'s have graduated from ACGME Emergency Medicine residencies over the last 20 years. If I were to hazard a guess I suspect (conservatively) the number to be between 3 to 4 thousand. Again, if you do not understand the difference between D.O's filling these positions as opposed to Nurses or P.A.'s, then send me a P.M. and I will carefully explain the differences to you. As a graduate physician practicing in the U.S. I think it is imperative that you understand the differences between these groups as per education and professional license.
 
I don't care what anyone else says. Besides, in post-apocalypse Earth when giants insects take over the world, the only physicians will be DOs:

[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mWa_rBE_wA[/YOUTUBE]

Choke on that suckas.
A.W.E.S.O.M.E.

You rock, brotha.

How's the snow? :meanie:
 
the last sentence of your post states "perhaps it's best that osteopaths stick with osteopathic residency (so they can get the omm training) and allopaths stick to allopathic residencies."

this statement is clearly presented as your personal point of view, not a view you have "heard" from others. Again, just for your own education, countless d.o.'s have graduated from acgme emergency medicine residencies over the last 20 years. If i were to hazard a guess i suspect (conservatively) the number to be between 3 to 4 thousand. Again, if you do not understand the difference between d.o's filling these positions as opposed to nurses or p.a.'s, then send me a p.m. And i will carefully explain the differences to you. As a graduate physician practicing in the u.s. I think it is imperative that you understand the differences between these groups as per education and professional license.
uncle!
 
Dude, this is Buffalo. What the hell are you talking about?
You're right, my mistake. Sorry.

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From the Great Snow of 2001 😛
 
I just wanna know how snow made it into a thread about ORMC...

As an alum of the program, I distinctly don't remember any of that business. I saw snowflakes one night at about 2 am on PICU call running across the street to the main ED (prior to the new children's ED at APH opening), but certainly nothing hitting the ground.

It should be in the low 80s all next week in Central Florida. That's what I'm talking about.
 
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