Life in Miami (Shores)

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I have a few questions about Barry university, or more specifically the city that Barry is in...

1. How is the public transport in Miami/Miami Shores?
....subways, buses, etc.. etc..
2. How are the people in Miami (friendly or snubby)?
3. What is the coldest it gets?
4. What is the warmest it gets?
5. Buy an apartment/condo or rent?
...I'm estimating ~100,000$ for rent in 7 yrs (if residency is in the area)
or maybe just buy a condo for X amount (maybe ~200,000$ range?)?
6. Where to live? On campus or off campus?
7. Area that campus is in (good or bad)?
8. Driving in Miami good or bad? (I've heard horrible)
9. Cost of living... aka food/daily life needs
10. Crime rate
11. Your overall satisfaction or dissatisfaction w life in Miami (general)

...sorry if this is alot
 
I have a few questions about Barry university, or more specifically the city that Barry is in...

1. How is the public transport in Miami/Miami Shores?
....subways, buses, etc.. etc..
2. How are the people in Miami (friendly or snubby)?
3. What is the coldest it gets?
4. What is the warmest it gets?
5. Buy an apartment/condo or rent?
...I'm estimating ~100,000$ for rent in 7 yrs (if residency is in the area)
or maybe just buy a condo for X amount (maybe ~200,000$ range?)?
6. Where to live? On campus or off campus?
7. Area that campus is in (good or bad)?
8. Driving in Miami good or bad? (I've heard horrible)
9. Cost of living... aka food/daily life needs
10. Crime rate
11. Your overall satisfaction or dissatisfaction w life in Miami (general)

...sorry if this is alot

I am going to try and answer this the best that I can.

1. Miami has ok public transportation. The trirail goes into the downtown area and I always see buses on my way to and from school. I went to Univ of Miami, so we mostly took cabs. I can tell you there is millions of cabs.
2. Depends where you are..ie downtown, south beach, coral gables. All and all the people do not go out of their way to be rude or snotty. I would learn spanish though, if you dont know it already.
3. Again, depends. It doesnt really dip below 40, and 40 is pushing it.
4. Haha, high 90s maybe 100s with humidity. You can wear sandals and shorts 85% of the time.
5. Depends what kind of area you want to live in. Coral Gables, South Beach, Downtown, Aventura is very pricey..so you might want to find a cheaper place to rent. But you are paying for the better area. The area Barry is in, Miami Shores, is a bit on the "lower end" side. You might be able to find a cheap place to buy. Ps. The school itself is really clean, nice, and safe..so dont let my words about the are deter you.
6. We weren't allowed to live on campus this year due to lack of available dorms..so I am going to say off campus on this one.
7. Like I said, area is not as nice as other parts of Miami, but it also isn't as bad some parts. It is not a scary neighborhood.
8. Don't get me started on driving. People cannot drive at all! But a car is helpful if you have one. You just have to come in knowing you are going to get road rage.
9. Cost of living isnt too bad. Gas is like 2.69 a gallon for regular. Lots of fast food and/or affordable restaraunts. Parking is mostly free until you decide you want to go to South Beach, then that is another story.
10. It is a big city. There is going to be crime. I have gone to school down here for 5 years and have never seen or heard of anything that wouldn't happen in any city. If you live in Aventura or the nicer parts of Miami you shouldnt have to worry.
11. It is a great city with so much to do. Beaches, 3 sports teams + UM, a lot of culture, great for going out after a rough week..and 2 months into the semester I love the school. Teachers are great, my classmates are great, and the courses are challenging but very manageable!

Hope that helps!
 
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...Area that campus is in (good or bad)?

...Crime rate?...
As was mentioned, Miami Shores is not the nicest, but it's also nothing terrible. Would I live there? Not if I had a choice, but I wouldn't be scared either. It probably wouldn't be wise to routinely be out walking around alone in Miami Shores outside of the campus after dark (esp if you are female), but there's not much to do in that area anyways, so I'm not sure why somebody would be. I have classmates who lived a couple blocks from campus for our entire 4yrs here, often stayed late to study, and have had no problems. I

The entire Barry campus is fenced in, gated entry after dark, security patrolled, etc. I lived and worked on the campus for 2 years, and every once in awhile, you will hear of a student getting their car broken into, mugged, etc. By and large, those are students who parked a block or two off campus on the side streets to save a few minutes instead of walking or taking the shuttle from the secure Barry lots. Yes, that sucks that they were crime victims, but Barry security patrols go around putting paper notices on cars parked nearby that say basically "caution, this parking area not patrolled by Barry security, park at your own risk," so those students were taking a unecessary gamble just to save a few minutes or a few quarters in a meter.

I think you're best off finding a roommate or budgeting well to live in Sunny Isles, North Bay Village, or Aventura simply because you get the full Miami experience if you live near the water. However, North Miami or Miami Shores are also good options that will give you more $ to spare if you are on a tight budget and/or don't want a roommate. With the bad housing market, you can probably knock 10-15% off most rental prices, esp if you offer to pay each semester up front when you get your loan checks. Be a bit careful buying... yes, it's a buyer's market, but pod curriculum is tough, and attrition is high some years. Make sure you are going to be very serious about your studies before you plunk down a big downpayment and sign a mortgage.

...All in all, it's a good place to go to school. The biggest strengths are busy clinics, many full time accessible faculty, and a nice city/climate. It's nice to have good weather and many options when you get caught up with school work, and if you're single, the "scenery" here is amazing. Cost of living is a bit above average, but Barry tuition is low relative to other pod schools and there's many scholarships. Some people are rude and traffic is sorta bad at times... I think that's how it is in any big city. Of the schools that have busy clinics, Barry is probably the best IMO due to the tuition/scholarships, full time faculty, integrated campus, and safety. Relative to the other pod schools in big cities with busy clinics (NY, Temple, Oakland, etc), Miami Shores is not scary at all. You will see exactly what I mean if you tour other schools in metro areas.

... I would learn spanish though, if you dont know it already...
I would disagree here. I have enough trouble mastering my own language.

If I ever move to a country where Spanish is the national language, then I'll make a point to learn it. If Spanish speaking people move to America, they can learn our national language. It'd be pretty rediculous for a Mexican, Cuban, etc citizen to move into France, Germany, Japan, etc and expect to get by speaking just Spanish and have their new neighboring citizens learn Spanish on their account. Why is the US any different?
 
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I love the spanish comment. Someone once asked me why I never interviewed at Barry and I told them that it was because I wanted to go to school IN the United States of America! :laugh:

But seriously, your discussion is making it very difficult for me right now as I freeze to death!
 
As was mentioned, Miami Shores is not the nicest, but it's also nothing terrible. Would I live there? Not if I had a choice, but I wouldn't be scared either. It probably wouldn't be wise to routinely be out walking around alone in Miami Shores outside of the campus after dark (esp if you are female), but there's not much to do in that area anyways, so I'm not sure why somebody would be. I have classmates who lived a couple blocks from campus for our entire 4yrs here, often stayed late to study, and have had no problems. I

The entire Barry campus is fenced in, gated entry after dark, security patrolled, etc. I lived and worked on the campus for 2 years, and every once in awhile, you will hear of a student getting their car broken into, mugged, etc. By and large, those are students who parked a block or two off campus on the side streets to save a few minutes instead of walking or taking the shuttle from the secure Barry lots. Yes, that sucks that they were crime victims, but Barry security patrols go around putting paper notices on cars parked nearby that say basically "caution, this parking area not patrolled by Barry security, park at your own risk," so those students were taking a unecessary gamble just to save a few minutes or a few quarters in a meter.

I think you're best off finding a roommate or budgeting well to live in Sunny Isles, North Bay Village, or Aventura simply because you get the full Miami experience if you live near the water. However, North Miami or Miami Shores are also good options that will give you more $ to spare if you are on a tight budget and/or don't want a roommate. With the bad housing market, you can probably knock 10-15% off most rental prices, esp if you offer to pay each semester up front when you get your loan checks. Be a bit careful buying... yes, it's a buyer's market, but pod curriculum is tough, and attrition is high some years. Make sure you are going to be very serious about your studies before you plunk down a big downpayment and sign a mortgage.

...All in all, it's a good place to go to school. The biggest strengths are busy clinics, many full time accessible faculty, and a nice city/climate. It's nice to have good weather and many options when you get caught up with school work, and if you're single, the "scenery" here is amazing. Cost of living is a bit above average, but Barry tuition is low relative to other pod schools and there's many scholarships. Some people are rude and traffic is sorta bad at times... I think that's how it is in any big city. Of the schools that have busy clinics, Barry is probably the best IMO due to the tuition/scholarships, full time faculty, integrated campus, and safety. Relative to the other pod schools in big cities with busy clinics (NY, Temple, Oakland, etc), Miami Shores is not scary at all. You will see exactly what I mean if you tour other schools in metro areas.


I would disagree here. I have enough trouble mastering my own language.

If I ever move to a country where Spanish is the national language, then I'll make a point to learn it. If Spanish speaking people move to America, they can learn our national language. It'd be pretty rediculous for a Mexican, Cuban, etc citizen to move into France, Germany, Japan, etc and expect to get by speaking just Spanish and have their new neighboring citizens learn Spanish on their account. Why is the US any different?

Yea, most of us believe that people who come to the states need to learn english. However, one must face the facts and realize that will never be the case. What have you done at Barry Clinics when a spanish speaking patient comes to you? Say Adios? Get a translator? I'm sure there is a ton of spanish speakers considering the school is in Miami.

I would imagine speaking a 2nd language would be a great benefit for ANY type of doctor. Futhermore, I'm sure a bilingual physician is much more marketable. That is a whole extra patient base one can treat without having to shell out $ to hire a translator or have the hassle of finding one. If I was going to practice or go to school in Southern Florida, I would definitely brush up on my spanish skills. Call me crazy but that sounds like an intelligent thing to do.
 
Feli said:
...If I ever move to a country where Spanish is the national language, then I'll make a point to learn it. If Spanish speaking people move to America, they can learn our national language. It'd be pretty rediculous for a Mexican, Cuban, etc citizen to move into France, Germany, Japan, etc and expect to get by speaking just Spanish and have their new neighboring citizens learn Spanish on their account. Why is the US any different?
Yea, most of us believe that people who come to the states need to learn english. However, one must face the facts and realize that will never be the case. What have you done at Barry Clinics when a spanish speaking patient comes to you? Say Adios? Get a translator? I'm sure there is a ton of spanish speakers considering the school is in Miami...
Yes, I simply go and and get a translator for the "no speak English" patients. I then document in the chart "patient does not speak or understand English; medical history obtained via translation by ______." (blank = family member, office staff, etc)

I've taken required years of Spanish and am actually fairly fluent between that and what I pick up from observing in south Florida. However, if someone wants to live in America and receive health care here, yet is not going to even try English, then I refuse to communicate in Spanish. I feel that reinforces bad habits. JMO

You will learn when you take physical diagnosis that using family members for translation of a patient's history interjects bias. Using office staff or the physician translating to their limited ability also creates bias. A neutral translator should be used, but the cost for professional translation is very high and it makes it impractical in most cases. Use of any translator, bias or no, is also a huge inefficiency, and the old cliche "lost in translation" exists for a reason. A translated medical history, discharge instructions, etc will never be as good as direct, trusted patient to practitioner communication.

The only exception I will make is in the ER, when extra time spent can be detrimental to the patient's health. In that case, I feel it's best to send for a Spanish/Creole/etc translator while I get started to the best of my ability. Even in those cases, I feel that patients who cannot speak or understand English are doing themself a disservice as well as hurting other patients by having translation consume the valuable time of the medical staff.

...I would imagine speaking a 2nd language would be a great benefit for ANY type of doctor. Futhermore, I'm sure a bilingual physician is much more marketable. That is a whole extra patient base one can treat without having to shell out $ to hire a translator or have the hassle of finding one. If I was going to practice or go to school in Southern Florida, I would definitely brush up on my spanish skills. Call me crazy but that sounds like an intelligent thing to do.
That is your opinion, and it's fine. You are probably correct that a bilingual physician is more marketable, but the majority of patients who cannot speak or understand English are minimally employable in America and not exactly wealthy. It also takes time and effort to learn another language, and I seriously doubt that time could be offset by financial gains.

As for speaking a 2nd language being a benefit, that's a matter of opinion. Personally, I don't know anyone who has a perfect grasp on the English language; I see a lot of lifelong English speakers misuse spelling and grammar everyday (I'm often guilty of these things myself). Likewise, I don't think any DPM would ever say he knows everything there is to know about the field of foot and ankle medicine and sugery. Personally, I don't see myself practicing abroad or ever publishing in any language aside from English, so maybe I'll just work on mastering my specialty and my own language? I guess it goes back to the old saying: "a jack of all trades is a master of none." I would advise English speaking pod students, regardless of where they are going to be in America, to spend more time studying anatomy, pathology, etc... not a foreign language.

When I am a practicing doc, I guess it's my choice how to approach patients who cannot understand and articulate themselves in English. If the patients who refuse English want to provide adequate translation by hiring a professional, I'd be happy to assist them. If not, I think they are probably better served elsewhere. I think that it would be neat to be able to read German since a lot of great literature comes from their, and other European, ortho journals, but the time investment for me to learn the language, especially at a medical level, would be considerable. Therefore, it's probably better that I just do the best I can with staying caught up on reading the American literature... and just hiring medical translation of foreign articles when it's needed.
 
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thinking points

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=568221

Included are some thoughts about Miami and the love I share with this wonderful area. Sorry...just got some throw up in my mouth...I knew I could not say that without throwing up.

Just wanted to add...I would study french instead of spanish if you are going to work here or in New Orleans. My experiences in the local hospitals have the great majority of people speaking creole...not spanish. Also, if u want to learn spanish or creole, it is best to live it. First determine which dialect you want to be thrust into (Puerto Rican spanish vs Cuban spanish vs Argentenian spanish vs Mexican spanish vs Columbian spanish vs etc etc....), then make your way to that part of town and hopefully live through the experience. Remember that guns speak in every language. As seen by members of the Jackson & Memorial Health Systems at a rate of three per hour.
 
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...if u want to learn spanish or creole, it is best to live it...
Well said.^

People always say Miami is so expensive, but there are parts of El Portal, Little Haiti, or Hialeah which are very affordable and sometimes even within a few miles from Barry. Don't mind the bars on the doors and windows; I think those are mostly just there to keep the stray cats out. Sure, I'm culturally insensitive and may tend to detour around those parts of town since I don't like being mugged, approached on street corners by beggars and prostitues, or getting flat bike tires from broken glass and drug needles on the sidewalks. Regardless, if you want to learn about other cultures, your best bet is to jump right in and embrace them. Just be careful unless there is an armed, non-corrupt policeman within shouting distance. 😎
 
Yes, I simply go and and get a translator for the "no speak English" patients. I then document in the chart "patient does not speak or understand English; medical history obtained via translation by ______." (blank = family member, office staff, etc)

I've taken required years of Spanish and am actually fairly fluent between that and what I pick up from observing in south Florida. However, if someone wants to live in America and receive health care here, yet is not going to even try English, then I refuse to communicate in Spanish. I feel that reinforces bad habits. JMO

You will learn when you take physical diagnosis that using family members for translation of a patient's history interjects bias. Using office staff or the physician translating to their limited ability also creates bias. A neutral translator should be used, but the cost for professional translation is very high and it makes it impractical in most cases. Use of any translator, bias or no, is also a huge inefficiency, and the old cliche "lost in translation" exists for a reason. A translated medical history, discharge instructions, etc will never be as good as direct, trusted patient to practitioner communication.

The only exception I will make is in the ER, when extra time spent can be detrimental to the patient's health. In that case, I feel it's best to send for a Spanish/Creole/etc translator while I get started to the best of my ability. Even in those cases, I feel that patients who cannot speak or understand English are doing themself a disservice as well as hurting other patients by having translation consume the valuable time of the medical staff.

That is your opinion, and it's fine. You are probably correct that a bilingual physician is more marketable, but the majority of patients who cannot speak or understand English are minimally employable in America and not exactly wealthy. It also takes time and effort to learn another language, and I seriously doubt that time could be offset by financial gains.

As for speaking a 2nd language being a benefit, that's a matter of opinion. Personally, I don't know anyone who has a perfect grasp on the English language; I see a lot of lifelong English speakers misuse spelling and grammar everyday (I'm often guilty of these things myself). Likewise, I don't think any DPM would ever say he knows everything there is to know about the field of foot and ankle medicine and sugery. Personally, I don't see myself practicing abroad or ever publishing in any language aside from English, so maybe I'll just work on mastering my specialty and my own language? I guess it goes back to the old saying: "a jack of all trades is a master of none." I would advise English speaking pod students, regardless of where they are going to be in America, to spend more time studying anatomy, pathology, etc... not a foreign language.
When I am a practicing doc, I guess it's my choice how to approach patients who cannot understand and articulate themselves in English. If the patients who refuse English want to provide adequate translation by hiring a professional, I'd be happy to assist them. If not, I think they are probably better served elsewhere. I think that it would be neat to be able to read German since a lot of great literature comes from their, and other European, ortho journals, but the time investment for me to learn the language, especially at a medical level, would be considerable. Therefore, it's probably better that I just do the best I can with staying caught up on reading the American literature... and just hiring medical translation of foreign articles when it's needed.

That's why I studied languages and lived abroad while in undergrad. Speaking 2 or 3 languages in this day and age is a great benefit. One would have to be crazy to think otherwise.
 
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Thanks for the comments guys... y yo hablo espanol


Es muy bueno a hablar espanol en la ciudad de miami...creo que voy alli con mis amigos y amigas cubanos para tener la Tierra por que me llamo Tony Montana y quiero estar en una pelicula que se llama "Scarface".
 
Es muy bueno a hablar espanol en la ciudad de miami...creo que voy alli con mis amigos y amigas cubanos para tener la Tierra por que me llamo Tony Montana y quiero estar en una pelicula que se llama "Scarface".

Don't speak spanish...thats bad for patients!
 
Feli said:
...As for speaking a 2nd language being a benefit, that's a matter of opinion. Personally, I don't know anyone who has a perfect grasp on the English language; I see a lot of lifelong English speakers misuse spelling and grammar everyday (I'm often guilty of these things myself). Likewise, I don't think any DPM would ever say he knows everything there is to know about the field of foot and ankle medicine and sugery. Personally, I don't see myself practicing abroad or ever publishing in any language aside from English, so maybe I'll just work on mastering my specialty and my own language? I guess it goes back to the old saying: "a jack of all trades is a master of none." I would advise English speaking pod students, regardless of where they are going to be in America, to spend more time studying anatomy, pathology, etc... not a foreign language...
That's why I studied languages and lived abroad while in undergrad. Speaking 2 or 3 languages in this day and age is a great benefit...
That's good... hopefully being multi-lingual will prove to be of benefit you.
 
...your discussion is making it very difficult for me right now as I freeze to death!
I dunno man, it dipped down into the 50s for a low during the end of October. You almost need a long sleeve shirt or a hoodie some days if you are out in the early morning or late evenings. Brrrr

I will be looking for underground heated tunnels if it gets much worse. 😎
 
I dunno man, it dipped down into the 50s for a low during the end of October. You almost need a long sleeve shirt or a hoodie some days if you are out in the early morning or late evenings. Brrrr

I will be looking for underground heated tunnels if it gets much worse. 😎

hah Feli makes me want to consider Barry 😍
 
How about hurricanes? Where do you go? How does the school manage/schedule around them?
 
How about hurricanes? Where do you go? How does the school manage/schedule around them?
The only bad hurricane Miami got hit with while I've been there was Rita (in 2005, a week after Katrina). Due to power outage, we got a week off school. Most other programs in the school just sped up the pace of lectures, exams, but since pod is a professional program, a lot of the professors didn't think they could do it in time. We ended up getting a week cut off our holiday break (so it was 2wk instead of 3wk) in order to make up lost lectures. Before Rita, I don't think there had been a major hurricane with widespread power outages, multi-day school cancellations, etc since Andrew (1992).

You will occasionally have a tropical storm or hurricane north/south of Miami where school is cancelled for just a day as a precaution. I think that happened once and cancellation was considered a couple other times, and you just stay inside for a few hours. The tropical storms are actually sorta neat if you've never seen one: torrential rainstorm with some lightning that starts fast and ends fast, but no real threat of major damage. The nice thing is that you see both the hurricanes or the tropical storms coming many days, maybe even a week or more, ahead of time.

Basically, hurricanes and tropical storms are really no different than blizzards and snow days if you go to the northern schools... except hurricanes are probably less common and over faster (usually just ~2-4hrs from start to finish with some continued rains following). Before sattelite and other weather prediction technology we have now, it must have been tougher, though.
 
The only bad hurricane Miami got hit with while I've been there was Rita (in 2005, a week after Katrina). Due to power outage, we got a week off school. Most other programs in the school just sped up the pace of lectures, exams, but since pod is a professional program, a lot of the professors didn't think they could do it in time. We ended up getting a week cut off our holiday break (so it was 2wk instead of 3wk) in order to make up lost lectures. Before Rita, I don't think there had been a major hurricane with widespread power outages, multi-day school cancellations, etc since Andrew (1992).

You will occasionally have a tropical storm or hurricane north/south of Miami where school is cancelled for just a day as a precaution. I think that happened once and cancellation was considered a couple other times, and you just stay inside for a few hours. The tropical storms are actually sorta neat if you've never seen one: torrential rainstorm with some lightning that starts fast and ends fast, but no real threat of major damage. The nice thing is that you see both the hurricanes or the tropical storms coming many days, maybe even a week or more, ahead of time.

Basically, hurricanes and tropical storms are really no different than blizzards and snow days if you go to the northern schools... except hurricanes are probably less common and over faster (usually just ~2-4hrs from start to finish with some continued rains following). Before sattelite and other weather prediction technology we have now, it must have been tougher, though.
Wilma 😉

Rita was the tropical storm/cat I where we got 1 day off of school.
 
Wilma 😉

Rita was the tropical storm/cat I where we got 1 day off of school.
See... I forget these things. I just remember that it got us a delay on the biochem exam.
You probably spent the whole week on Sunny Isles Beach 😎

...You're taking pt1 soon, right? PM me if you want to borrow any BRS books. I have the whole series and was about to put em on half.com
 
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