Will I have time to take care of a dog

This forum made possible through the generous support of SDN members, donors, and sponsors. Thank you.

champ lives

New Member
10+ Year Member
Joined
Apr 14, 2009
Messages
2
Reaction score
0
Points
0
  1. Veterinary Student
Hi everyone.

I'll make this short and sweet-
I will be starting vet school in the fall and I REALLY REALLY REALLY want a dog. I lost mine several months ago and really miss the companionship/furryness/etc. I've heard bad things about having a dog in school because of the time commitment so I've been doing everything I can to talk myself out of this. Unfortunately I am failing and have one pretty much picked out. I was just curious as to other people's experiences in this. Thanks a bunch.
 
Yes, you will have time. Many, many students in vet school have dogs. During your 4th year rotations is the only time you might not be able to go home to let it out on time, etc, but by then you will know other students willing to help you out or know a dog sitter.
It will be good for you to have an excuse to go for walks and not just study all the time. And you'll find many vet school activities are dog friendly, so it will be able to meet many new canine friends.
Get it now so you have lots of time to bond with it before you are in classes!
 
I don't know WHAT I would do without my dogs -- and taking care of them while in school is not that bad at all. I'm lucky that I live 5 blocks from school, so I can run home at lunch if I need to (I usually don't need to) let them out, and I can run home at the end of the day to walk them before I go back to the library. My SO lives with me so he does about half their care, which makes things a lot easier (but we also have 4 dogs, so even half the work is still quite a bit).

One of the best things about vet school is that almost everyone you know will love dogs almost as much as you do. 🙂 So if you need a hand with something (going out of town for the weekend, need to work late, whatever) it's pretty easy to find a friendly vet student neighbor who will dogsit or just stop by and let your dog out for you.

The daily routine is that we walk them briefly in the morning before work/school, then they're home all day while we're gone. One of us goes home around 6 to let them out to pee, then I either study in the library, study at home, or hang out at home with them for the rest of the evening. Before bed we take them for a longer walk (20-30 minutes). And they play together and get toys and rawhides and whatnot during the evening. Also, 2 or 3 times a week I try to take them all running (separately -- I'm not suicidal). I figure, I need exercise too, so why not accomplish both at once?

On weekends we try to take them either hiking, or for a long walk (at least an hour or two) to make up for their shorter walks during the week. And it seems to work out fine!

The only recommendations I would make are to try to live as close to school as you can, make sure there are dog-friendly apartments in areas where you'd like to live (it's a serious pain finding a landlord who will let even a vet student have 4 dogs), and don't get a puppy because they can't go long enough without a bathroom break for you to be gone all day.
 
I don't know what I'd do without mine either. She is my sanity through this mess. Just as a side note, I think 20 people in my class came to school without pets and now only 1-2 don't have them - and one of them just had a child (a different kind of pet as he described it).
 
I'm not sure how I would've handled the additional time-factor during first year... but I also got substantially sick (twice!) last year...

As for this year, I adopted a 2nd dog in November (other dog is home with husband) - and although the first few weeks were a little nutty, at this point, I cannot imagine not having him now. One of our first year instructors recently saw me and commented that I look "healthy" and alot less stressed than I did last year.

Maybe it's the dog... 😳
 
I think it depends on how well you can manage your time, and if you know you won't be out on a Friday night, and come home Saturday at 4pm hung over... 😉

Another thing to look into, which one of my friends did but with 2 kittens, was they fostered some kittens for the year. We have a program out here called SafePet, which is a network of foster homes for pets of abused women- basically the pets get fostered until the woman is back on her feet and can take them in again. If you're unsure of if you can balance it, maybe do a 'trial run' with a foster pet and see.

Either way best of luck 🙂
 
I agree, it is possible to have a dog. However, keep fourth year rotations in mind....you may end up doing many in different areas/states, and having to find short term living arrangements is harder with an animal (my current dilemma!). A support network for the crazy times and external rotations is also very helpful.

Overall though, in my three academic years, I have found that a dog (or animals in general) have helped incredibly with my stress level and general happiness.
 
This is SO comforting. I'm currently employed as the head dog trainer of an SPCA -- I've worked in rescue for years and years and am completely over the fall-in-love-with-every-animal syndrome -- so I find myself in a bind because I have fallen head-over-heels for one of my students. I was worried that if I adopted her I wouldn't have time for her once I got to vet school (I've got 2 years until I'm there, so we've got time to bond), but reading all of these responses just gave me so much hope! I'm going in to work today and filling out an application! Thanks SO much!
 
This is SO comforting. I'm currently employed as the head dog trainer of an SPCA -- I've worked in rescue for years and years and am completely over the fall-in-love-with-every-animal syndrome -- so I find myself in a bind because I have fallen head-over-heels for one of my students. I was worried that if I adopted her I wouldn't have time for her once I got to vet school (I've got 2 years until I'm there, so we've got time to bond), but reading all of these responses just gave me so much hope! I'm going in to work today and filling out an application! Thanks SO much!

Congratulations!! Show us pics when you get the girl. I couldn't imagine life without my boys and while i'm not starting vet school until the fall so i can't comment on what it's like, i can't imagine not having them and would be so lonely. I may have to sacrifice some things in order to make sure they are not being neglected in any way (i.e. living closer to campus, foregoing some social events, studying at home and not the library, etc), but it is totally worth it to me.
 
I have a German Shepherd puppy right now who will be about 8 months old when I start classes and I keep going back and forth about whether I should bring him with me (my parents are in love with him and have offered to take him while I'm in school). I would love to have him with me, but I'm worried that I won't be home or have enough free time when I am home to give him the attention he needs as a puppy.
 
My 2 year old shepherd is going with me, though her personality is about the same as she was at 6 months (goofy puppy attitude.)

One thing to consider is whether you can find housing with a larger dog. I thought about renting, but when I looked into it, Shepherds were on the 'dogs we don't allow' list of every apartment complex that the school, other vet students, and a local realtor recommended as safe, clean, relatively close to school, reasonable commute, etc. I even contacted some to discuss an exception (she is SAR II wilderness certified, has her CGC and TDI, and is accustomed to apartment living (NYC for the 1st year of her life.) Even had landlord referrals. I kept hearing 'we can't because if we let you....' I even offered to have her in her 'working dog' gear when on walks and such (harness without bell since bell = active search.) It amazed me...an untrained great dane was ok, but my professional shepherd wasn't.

We ended up buying (got a sweet deal, thank goodness) all so my shepherd could go with me (and I can continue to help out with SAR work.)
 
Sumstorm - it's insanely difficult finding an apartment that allows shepherds! Most only allow cats. Then there are those that allow dogs - under 40lbs. Then there are the ones that allow all dogs - except pits, shepherds, and rotts. I only found two places that would allow me to rent with my dog: one was a total slum and the other is rather pricey. I'm looking into buying, too. Ugh. I hate dog racism.
 
you forgot the dobermans and staffies! I occasionally see some less frequently listed breeds included (standard schnauzer, bouvier, various mastiffs, rhodesians, huskies, malamutes.)

Since I will be seeking housemates, I kind of understand. I am insisting on references for the pet along with a meeting before agreeing to other people's pets in the house. The last house we rented out was destroyed by 2 cats, 1 dog (siberian), and 3 ferrets. Well, actually, the 3 humans were the worst problem.

My rules for living with dogs in a joint home is that mine are confined to my room unless I am home, and then they stay with me. It frustrates me to hear people tell me 'oh, my dog/cat/bird can't be confined....it has to have free run of the ENTIRE house.' Even in our own home (no roommates till next month) our dogs aren't allowed in some rooms and mostly stay with us.
 
I know what you guys mean. I have a large shepherd/lab mix and it's been pretty tough finding places that would take him in the past. Even some of the vet students I talk to look at me like I have three heads when I mention moving with a larger dog.

I've *never* been able to find a nice complex that will rent to me with my dog in the Baltimore area. If you search enough, though, you can often find a private landlord to rent to you. Especially if you offer to pay a nonrefundable pet deposit, and pay pet rent each month, and to have the carpets professionally cleaned when you move out at your expense. Those things aren't always necessary, but offering to do them can help to sway some landlords.
 
I've *never* been able to find a nice complex that will rent to me with my dog in the Baltimore area. If you search enough, though, you can often find a private landlord to rent to you. Especially if you offer to pay a nonrefundable pet deposit, and pay pet rent each month, and to have the carpets professionally cleaned when you move out at your expense. Those things aren't always necessary, but offering to do them can help to sway some landlords.

I thought about all that, but then when I looked at the numbers that would be 125-400% of my new monthly mortgage (not including utilities and such at the rental or the owned house.) I am fortunate to be able to get a house right now....but we also bought one at 25k less than the current comp (declined market comp.) So hopefully, if we go through any market recovery in the next 4 years, and with the remodeling, it will help bring in a profit.
 
Sumstorm, are you worried about selling the house when you're done with school? I'd like to buy, but I don't want to live around campus forever, and the thought of being stuck with $200,000 in loans and the mortgage on a house I can't sell is kind of daunting.
 
Yes and no. This is a long answer explaining how/why we got the house we did and why I think selling won't be a problem.

I have a really good credit score, and I probably won't take out student loans (NCSU is relatively cheap for IS) or if I do, they will be limited and mostly to keep liquidity in our current assets.

I intentionally searched in very strict parameters: I wanted a house in a nice neighborhood near nice ammenities and close to employment and school options. The statements about location are very true. It was also important for me to live close enough to have less than a 15 minute vehicle commute during rush hour. So, my house is close to 3 post-secondary schools and near the research triangle (a major employer), and not far from several other schools and large employers.

If I applied the same parameters to rental houses and apartments. The cheapest I found was $650/mo in a not so safe area. The cheapest I would be willing to live in was $955/mo, and I would need to provide pet rent and there wasn't a suitable fence (I don't mind walking my dogs, but secure yard is a huge benefit if life gets too busy.) That didn't include utilities or renter's insurance. We have a great insurer (hubby is former military) so the different in renters and home-owners isn't much.

So, I took a look at homes in those parameters and found I could get a much larger house with a larger yard in a better location for a similar cost. So, 4 bedroom with 3 bath vs 2 bedroom 2 bath, with 0.5 acres vs 0.25 acres (or less.) Better location.

Once I did all that, I narrowed down where I would search (method mentioned in another post, but basicly used a map, put in paramter 'circles' and marked out unacceptable areas.) We then worked with a realtor. The objective was to look at houses in general, but with an eye towards short sales, REO, handman specials, as is, and motivated sellers. Our realtor pulled up comps for the neighborhoods we were most intersted in (so we had some basic idea whether the price was reasonable.) We also put additional emphasis on low-turnover neighborhoods (meaning that houses rarely come available and often have increased demand.)

We typically considered a house the day it came on market. We decided whether or not to see it, and arranged to do so within 7 days. We put bids on 3 houses and stuck to our guns on price (we negotiated but had a max price in mind with certain conditions.) We looked for 'ugly' houses with good bones. In other words horrible paint jobs, dated kitchens and bathrooms, etc.

We found a motivated seller whose house was reasonably listed on the day it listed, looked at it on day 3 on market and made an offer. The house is adorable structure wise with great bones. Split level ranch with great natural light on all levels, new-ish windows (3yo) and floors with a once nicely landscaped yard and an inground pool and a fence. The yard hasn't been maintained but can be recovered. The painting/wallpaper throughout the house is attrocious. Carribean colors, including electric pink in the kitchen and neon blue in one bedroom, candy wall paper in another, and torn wallpaper in several (torn in chunks then pasted to the wall.) So, just what we were looking for!

We offered a decent price (but not asking) and we covered all of closing costs. It was accepted immediatly...the only caveats that she wanted us to close earlier (which was fine.) Our final price was 2004 pricing in the area. Comps out at 25k more than we paid...will sell much better with paint and updating (all of which I can do over this summer and next...we have all the tools and skills.)

I think, with less than $500, I can do some major cosmetic fixes. Major ammenities (grocery, mall, fitness center, etc) are a 5 minute walk, but seperated from the house by a green belt. Our back fence is on the green belt with a gate to the paths. No HOA. Older neighborhood with wide roads, ample parking.

So, my answer comes down to this; if I can buy a house at or around the same total output over 3-4 years as I would have renting for 3-4 years (including potential reasonable rent increases) and I can find a good deal, it makes sense to buy, especially if the ammentities are better. If I can sell the house in 4 years at the comp price (or close to the comp price) I will break even at worst. I will more than likely make a profit (sell price -depreciation -repairs/improvements -closing costs.) If we can't sell, we will rent it out. Just in case, we did go with a fixed rate mortgage. I also plan on renting out rooms. My cost each month is about a hundred more than the lowest rent at an acceptable place. Normally, if I was in a seller's market and thought the market would keep cooking for 5 more years, I would have gone for a low interestest 5/25 mortgage (the ones that are getting a lot of people in trouble now) and be more motivated to sell in 4 years (or refinance.)

So, because we found a great deal in a great location, I honestly think we will be ok selling. We also have a back up plan. Rents in the area for smaller houses are higher than our mortgage. I really think the numbers need to make sense to justify the investment. Houses can be huge $ pits, especially if you have to hire out work. Also, the housing situation in the area is important. Major cities can be more problematic to buy in. Small cities can be harder to sell in (especially if a major employer leaves.) If my money (even loan money) has to go somewhere, I owuld like to have an invsetment. I also hope to find 1-3 housemates. The house is configured with a second master suite that is seperated from all the other bedrooms, which makes housemates more attractive. We did look at nicer houses that were more to our style and tastes but not as good for housemates and/or as good of deals. We really looked at this as an investement, not a home. Also, we will do some work to make the place even more attractive to future home owners (like making the back yard even more of a pool side oasis) which will hopefully attract housemates as well.

A lot of people in my class are buying condos near our school. I can't do the condo thing, but it can be a really good option for first time home buyers that don't want some of the headaches. In some areas they are going really cheap right now. Sorry for such a long response.
 
Sumstorm, are you worried about selling the house when you're done with school? I'd like to buy, but I don't want to live around campus forever, and the thought of being stuck with $200,000 in loans and the mortgage on a house I can't sell is kind of daunting.

We also purchased our home close to school to tide us over while Im in vet school. We have three dogs (well...two and a half haha) and it was time to find ourselves a place where all of us could be happy and not pay rent anymore (whoo hoo!). We chose a location in a nice neighborhood, close to school, so when I am finished we have the option of either leaving the house as a rental (which is hard to do in a condo because the mortgage plus homeowner's fees will cost you more than you can rent it out for), selling it, or staying here for a few years while I gain some experience. It's really up to you, but I think that if you buy smart and have a plan, its a really really good investment. Im so glad we did it!
 
I have a good credit score, but can't qualify for a home loan, even though the mortg. payment would be less than that of renting. I could get a really good deal on a house for $800 (including insurance, taxes), but the cheapest I can find to rent a house in a decent neighborhood is $1000 month. It's so frustrating.

I swore I'd never give my animals up to become a vet. But I am having a hard time finacially making this happen. Some home owners don't mind cats, but don't want my 45 and 50 lbs dogs. Some people don't mind renting to me with my dogs, but really think that my cats will be destructive.

I have been basically in tears about this for 3 weeks. I've made a trip every weekend to G'ville for what seems like an eternity, and I know the clock is ticking for the fall. Is anyone faced having to give up an animal for the sake of going to school? I am exhausted from the emotional anguish this is causing.
One of my dogs has been through hard times in the past with bouncing around and losing people and other animals she loves. I just can't do it to her. The guilt would consume me.
 
Is anyone faced having to give up an animal for the sake of going to school? I am exhausted from the emotional anguish this is causing.

I had to sell my horse once I found out I had been accepted. I just couldn't justify paying for him for four years while living on loans. I'm not sure it's exactly the same though, since horses don't live with you like dogs (I boarded him), and typically aren't as expressive about their attachments to humans. But from the emotional anguish/tears perspective, it was probably pretty similar. I was a wreck for awhile before and after.

I'm really surprised if you can't find something to rent near the vet school that would allow dogs. It seems like many landlords that I talked to were used to having vet students, and used to them having all kinds of pets. I've got my fingers crossed for you.

Good luck.
 
When does school start? Does the school have any suggestions? Or students who already live there?

I have allowed one dog to stay with an ex-bf. It won't happen again. He was a lovely English Bulldog rescued from a local high kill shelter. No skin issues, no problems except occasional (1x every few months) seizures (less than 2 minutes.) I made the ex (at the time bf who was suppose to relocated after I settled) promise to build a fence because I knew he wouldn't leash walk the dog. He let the dog out, it went wandering (no fence) and was missing for 6 hours. Died of a seizure (at least that is what ex-bf thought) later that day while ex-bf was at work. I feel horrible that I let him remain with ex-bf (who was a wonderful guy but not the most responsible fellow...which was a lot of the general culture in that area) and that he died frightened and alone (he was distressed when he sensed a seizure coming on.) Even now it wrings my heart with pain, and it happend 4 years ago. I also don't know if it was a seizure that would have occured anyways, or one brought on by stress (his biggest trigger) or if he got into something toxic while wandering.
 
I've made a trip every weekend to G'ville for what seems like an eternity, and I know the clock is ticking for the fall. Is anyone faced having to give up an animal for the sake of going to school?

What complexes have you looked at? I have a list of places that are pet friendly in Gainesville if you want to go the apartment route. There are also houses on University that are rented by property managers and have yards which is great for dogs. You can send me a PM if you like 🙂
 
Philo, I really hope you can find a place!

Here is UF's off campus housing listings... a search for August move in with dogs/cats allowed came up with 10-15 places with reasonable looking rent.

http://www.dso.ufl.edu/offcampushousing/index.php

You can also try Gainesville craigslist and do a search with both the cat and dog boxes checked. I know craiglist is a little shady but bigger rental companies / apartment complexes advertise on there as well.

I wish I knew ANYTHING about Florida; I love apartment searching and I wish I could help you out more!
 
I can relate with the guilt big time.

I had to sell all three of my horses when I started vet school. I swore I would never sell my honey bunny - the horse in the picture. Plus he was older. But I found him a good home so I felt better. Then he had a bad colic and the new owners didn't want to pay for it - AND THEY DIDN'T EVEN CALL ME!!! - before the check even cleared.

Yeah I felt guilty. Tremendously.

Good home my ass. Man I was wrong.
 
I tried that UF housing link- I have "too may" pets. I don't know what the heck I'm going to do.

4 cats
2 dogs (entirely outside)

no luck. I'm just hoping I don't have to choose. I would never forgive myself.

Infini- I am sooooo sorry.

Spat: 10 yr feline
Shi*ball: 6 yr feline
Wolfie: 8 yr feline, with chronic renal disease. he won't be here in 4 years anyway, but he is awesome
Sadie: 4 yr old FIV positive cat, doing extremely well

That interview question: "An owner comes in with a healthy animal and wants to euthanize..." I don't want to relate to that question personally anymore than I already do. I had a cat that I had rescued that was pregnant. Found home for her kittens and kept her. Although she wanted nothing to do with me, I had her for almost 8 years. She was so shy and nervous of everything, everyone, every animal, she would pee anywhere. I lost my carpet, my couch, etc. Then one night it was the bed she went on. We searched for a medical reason. There was none so I took her in and put her down. I had no extreme emotional attachement to her and cried for a whole week. How could I deal with the ones I am attached to and have had for years, simply because I can't find a rental that would allow them?
 
Last edited:
Philo - don't give up! Be persistent and make sure you really talk up the fact that you are a vet student. Even apartments that are 'no pets' often reconsider when you tell them you are a vet student, responsible, clean, etc. Knowing that you don't have puppies/kittens will help too (IMO). It is even better (in most cases, provided dogs aren't a nuisance) to have outdoor only dogs (can't chew on the carpet/doors/etc). Tell them you have neighbors who can vouch that the dogs aren't obnoxious.

I have one dog, two cats, and had two sugar gliders (currently have just one) and I have had a bit of a harder time finding a rental but it hasn't been impossible (and I've actually found some pretty sweet rentals!)

Be persistent and don't lose hope just yet. Good luck!
 
Actually, as a landlord (previously) I am more nervous about outside animals. Outside animals have a much greater chance of creating issues with neighbors, officials, and other people/animals.

That being said, if you credit score is good, why are you being turned down for mortgages if the buying market is cheaper than the rental market?
 
Sumstorm, I can see that. During my hunt for an apartment, I saw many, many ads that allowed pets - but only if they were outside pets. So...I imagine it depends on the landlord...

But if you can vouch for your pets (and your neighbors can) I would think you could find something... Good luck!
 
Consider posting advertisements seeking a place to rent. Be as specific as possible, including details about pets and offering references upon request.
 
to the OP, I have heard the same thing, but also, know a lot of students who have dogs while in vet school. This is what i seem to notice:
-the professors (for the most part) and family are telling me its not a good idea
-the vet students (or recently graduated vets) are the ones who have said it was great to hae around and wasn't bad at all (a little rough 4th year, but stil managable)

I'm going to get settled first, but am strongly considering getting one my first summer (i don't really want to get ont while in classes, and can't get one before vet school start this fall)... so we'll see, i'm pretty confident i'll manage and that there will be tons of support for those crazy days.
 
-the professors (for the most part) and family are telling me its not a good idea
-the vet students (or recently graduated vets) are the ones who have said it was great to hae around and wasn't bad at all (a little rough 4th year, but stil managable)

Out of curiosity, are the professors vet school or undergrad profs? are they vets?
 
Out of curiosity, are the professors vet school or undergrad profs? are they vets?


Mostly the professors at the vet school (some are undergrad). It came up in my interview (i forget how, but I remember talking about it at a couple). Most of the professors are vets, but a few were PhDs doing research at the school. The undergrad profs that have said this have seen a couple students go through vet school (or i guess, more they've seen them get into vet school and randomly update them)...
 
If you don't get a dog before vet school, you will probably end up getting one during vet school. A lot of us ended up with unexpected additions to our households, one way or another. Having a friendly face to come home to during vet school is always a good thing.

If you need someone to care for your pets if you are doing a rotation out-of-town, there would most likely be some other vet student who'd be willing to help.

As for the professors, some are DVMs and some are PhDs. At my alma mater most of the first- and second-year classes were taught by PhDs, and IMHO that was a bad idea. We spent hours in class learning things we would never need to know again (and in six years of practice, I've never used them), taught by people who may have been very good in their fields but who had zero idea of what veterinary medicine is all about. Hope it's better for you, but be prepared to learn a lot of cr@p that you will never need to know again.
 
Top Bottom