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Hey there guys,

Since I'm taking a short break from studying I was thinking of kid I seen in class the other day. It was in our bio class, our professor makes lectures for us and allows us to bring a flash drive in and copy the notes. So the professor stepped out and allowed a student to get the notes for himself. The projector was on and the student went into the professors folders and took pretty much the semesters exams (including midterm and final exam). I pretty much don't care because I need to know the stuff for the MCATs and all. He said he wants to do pharmacy so I guess it's cool.

How many people think it's right for what he did?

Does anybody think he should get a punishment?

Btw pretty much the whole class seen it since you can see everything what was going on.

Just curious and I will getting back to my studying in a few 😀
 
How many people think it's right for what he did?
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Who can argue that he did something right?
 
Mohammed1989 said:
How many people think it's right for what he did?

Does anybody think he should get a punishment?
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First, No I don't think it's right

Second, I think he should be locked awayyyy or endure some type of slow tortue:meanie: haha jk nah but yeah that was a pretty crazy thing for him to do... he better hope for his sake no one rats him out or else he'll be in deep ****
 
Considering that if he ends up a pharmacist, he could cheat on the very meds you're writing scripts for him to have dispensed, I'd say you should be fairly concerned for both your own pts and his own colleagues. Sounds like the prof made a bad move by leaving those exams out but someone with that low of moral and ethical standards shouldn't be in healthcare (period), IMO. (I'm not that naive to think it doesn't happen -- it obviously does -- but I have seen the the results of this kind of bx in healthcare and I do think that kind of a character flaw should be handled as soon as it raises its ugly head.)
 
Mohammed1989 said:
He said he wants to do pharmacy so I guess it's cool.
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Uhh, no? It's not cool under any circumstance. You don't steal exams, ever. It's dishonest and immoral.

No "people should think it's right for what he did," and yes, of course he should be punished.
 
apumic said:
Considering that if he ends up a pharmacist, he could cheat on the very meds you're writing scripts for him to have dispensed, I'd say you should be fairly concerned for both your own pts and his own colleagues. Sounds like the prof made a bad move by leaving those exams out but someone with that low of moral and ethical standards shouldn't be in healthcare (period), IMO. (I'm not that naive to think it doesn't happen -- it obviously does -- but I have seen the the results of this kind of bx in healthcare and I do think that kind of a character flaw should be handled as soon as it raises its ugly head.)
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I agree with your post, as soon as he told me he wanted to be a pharmacist I thought of future patients. Especially mine, chances are he might stay in this state and I'm pretty sure ill have a few patients here too. Part of me wants to write a letter to the professor without a name so he can change the test but the other part of me would like to see him get caught, since I did pull a all nighter for the exam.

What would you guys do?

Write a letter to the professor to change the exams.

Write a letter to the professor and dean to have him punished.

Ignore the whole thing and pretend it never happened.

I'm also sure if he can cheat in these classes he won't hesitate to cheat in future classes I.E. Pharmacy classes

Thanks for the interesting inputs
 
Ibn Rushd said:
Uhh, no? It's not cool under any circumstance. You don't steal exams, ever. It's dishonest and immoral.

No "people should think it's right for what he did," and yes, of course he should be punished.
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Ibn are you a night guy? I only see you post at nights lol 😉
 
Is this a test? Are all of our answers being recorded and held against us in future interviews?? 🙂

No but in all seriousness, this kid is crazy. I sure don't want him around prescription drugs one day. As far as writing a letter goes, I'm not sure that's the best approach, but I have never seen this kind of thing before. I would recommend speaking with your prof immediately during private office hours. You are never the bad guy in this situation because no one will tell him who ratted him out. Quite honestly I think you'd be doing the medical community a favor by getting this on his academic record. Plus, it'll provide for great material when you're faced with the inevitable ethics question in med school interviews.
 
the more I learn about people, the less I want to know. Does this kid have any shame? Where's his conscience? I really hope karma catches up to him.
 
Howdy back on another break lol, I take breaks when I'm done covering a chapter. Well I will speak with the professor after the exam tomorrow in private. Explain the situation to him, the problem is I am not sure what class he took the exams for but I guess we can figure it out tomorrow. He teaches bio 1,2 and histology. We'll be able to narrow it down, the thing is should I include the look out? Well ill just tell him the main guy who did the work, I'm sure he won't go down alone.
 
Well I talked to the professor and it turns out it was last semesters exams. He was still suprised and said he will talk to the student about the crime. I guess I can use this as a topic in my future interview about being honest 🙂
 
Mohammed1989 said:
Well I talked to the professor and it turns out it was last semesters exams. He was still suprised and said he will talk to the student about the crime. I guess I can use this as a topic in my future interview about being honest 🙂
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haha definitely👍
 
Mohammed1989 said:
Well I talked to the professor and it turns out it was last semesters exams. He was still suprised and said he will talk to the student about the crime. I guess I can use this as a topic in my future interview about being honest 🙂
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Props for your bravery. It's hard to be the tattle tale, as people might like to call you for your move. I've been there done that, for much less significant situations, but it always pays off. Keep investing in that class and I believe you'll have a strong LOR from that prof.
 
Mohammed1989 said:
Well I talked to the professor and it turns out it was last semesters exams. He was still suprised and said he will talk to the student about the crime. I guess I can use this as a topic in my future interview about being honest 🙂
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I'm glad you figured it out, but I'm not so sure I would bring that up on an interview. You don't want to be viewed as the "rat." Which, unfortunately, is human nature when we see someone who tells on someone else. Even if they understand where you are coming from, their perspective of you will most likely change. That's just my take though, so take it for what it's worth... All of about 2 cents. :shrug:
 
I am continually surprised by how immoral people can be. I have seen so many of my peers cheat or at least try to cheat. We had a similar to situation to occur at my college, OP. The professor actually found out about it and the student was punished. I TA a class and one of my duties is to proctor exams. I get a kick out of all the students trying to glimpse another student's answers, the students who try to write and tape equations to their calculators, and not mention the people who try to pull out their notes during the test.
 
It is not bravery to run to a professor and tell on a fellow classmate. That is just a tattletale/snitch, or call it what you want. A negative academic remark on one's transcripts can be career ending. People make mistakes.
Now I do not advocate cheating at all, but students should watch out for each other and learn from one another. Yes, it would make me mad if I studied 8 hours for a test and some jackass stole the exam, cheated, and aced it. But, confronting the student might have been a more viable option from my stand point.
Cheaters will eventually get caught, and if not, the MCAT, PCAT, USMLE, COMLEX, etc.., will weed them out as frauds.
Just my old school POV.
 
Unfortunately some of the smartest people cheat, so I am not sure that professional school exams will weed them out. I just personally find approaching a professor about something like that to be a much more effective way of dealing with the situation than approaching the student. A classmate is highly unlikely to listen to you and if you have to resort to threatening to tell a professor, it just causes more problems than just telling the prof. Call me harsh, but I just don't really care if someone experiences a career ending outcome after something like that. We are in COLLEGE. This is not high school anymore. By this age, I hope everyone, particularly those wanting to follow a path where they will continually be competing with others in some way or another, knows right from wrong in these basic situations. In this kids mind, he/she probably saw no harm in taking last year's exams. Some professors use the same questions from one semester to the next though. What else will this person justify in the future as no big deal? You gotta draw the line somewhere...at what point is it wrong enough to bother you?
 
Harry Bahgina said:
It is not bravery to run to a professor and tell on a fellow classmate. That is just a tattletale/snitch, or call it what you want. A negative academic remark on one's transcripts can be career ending. People make mistakes.
Now I do not advocate cheating at all, but students should watch out for each other and learn from one another. Yes, it would make me mad if I studied 8 hours for a test and some jackass stole the exam, cheated, and aced it. But, confronting the student might have been a more viable option from my stand point.
Cheaters will eventually get caught, and if not, the MCAT, PCAT, USMLE, COMLEX, etc.., will weed them out as frauds.
Just my old school POV.
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...And people should be punished for them, especially if they have a leg-up on exams/midterms because they STOLE them.

And to the statement, "cheaters will eventually get caught," No they won't if everyone applies your method of never "snitching" on someone just because they are a fellow student. Cheating is cheating, it doesn't matter if they are a friend, fellow student, or whatever.
If they don't have the moral strength to keep from cheating, how can one expect that individual to not steal narcotics from the pharmacy that they will hypothetically be working at?
 
Substance P said:
I'm glad you figured it out, but I'm not so sure I would bring that up on an interview. You don't want to be viewed as the "rat." Which, unfortunately, is human nature when we see someone who tells on someone else. Even if they understand where you are coming from, their perspective of you will most likely change. That's just my take though, so take it for what it's worth... All of about 2 cents. :shrug:
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Yeah that is true on the other hand. I guess my school is full of cheaters, since they were cheating pretty much on a chemistry quiz, naming the periodic table of elements, symbol-name. I seen about 65% percent of the class cheat. I was just like wow what kind of cc is this lol. I mean seeing that I just answered whatever I knew and was amazed like this school is just full of cheaters. When talking to my fellow classmates, they have high expectations of being doctors, pharmacists, and etc. It's just strange.

I guess when they don't get in I'll be there doing this+pity+
 
Harry Bahgina said:
It is not bravery to run to a professor and tell on a fellow classmate...
Just my old school POV.
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Maybe in a 90s gangsta rap song, but this mentality is very "new-school" in the real world, especially in academia. It has always been the case that there are some crimes (whether societal or academic) that rise to such a level that the society as a whole benefits from the perpetrator being caught and being the witness is not only the proper but expected thing to do (that's why there are still schools with "honor codes"). Many, including myself, consider silence in situations like this the act of a coward. The terminology of "snitch" and "rat" is merely an attempt at reinforcing that cowardice by threat.
 
i actually had a friend who cheated in college who just recently got busted in medical school for doing the same thing and now his entire future is jeopardized (the school has a no tolerance policty)...either cheaters get too comfortable, continue to think they can get away with it and will eventually get caught or it occurs sparingly and hopefully it doesnt happen again

but in terms of an interview question ive heard that it is a common question whether you would tell on someone you saw cheating in medical school...i know i didnt in college, but apparently others have told me during an interview a preferable answer is that you would since as brought up previously these people are going to be future doctors, pharmacists, etc., any thoughts? thanks!
 
kiwi09 said:
i actually had a friend who cheated in college who just recently got busted in medical school for doing the same thing and now his entire future is jeopardized (the school has a no tolerance policty)...either cheaters get too comfortable, continue to think they can get away with it and will eventually get caught or it occurs sparingly and hopefully it doesnt happen again

but in terms of an interview question ive heard that it is a common question whether you would tell on someone you saw cheating in medical school...i know i didnt in college, but apparently others have told me during an interview a preferable answer is that you would since as brought up previously these people are going to be future doctors, pharmacists, etc., any thoughts? thanks!
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Well acording to Substance P it's not a good idea. I honeslty think it would be useful to show honesty but that's me.

What do you guys think? Would it be wise to use this in a interview?

I am always honest with whatever I do blah blah blah like I seen a kid steal exams blah blah I told the professor blah blah and etc.

Would it be helpful in anyway or would I just mess up my chances?
 
OK, I might get hate from all sides, but here is the story that happened in my class, and what I did:

I was taking my last class before graduation: Human Phys
Ok, you need to know this prof. was teaching in Med school at YALE before.
So, the class number was 40 at the beginning, at the Midterms 20, when we finished the class it was only 12 of us who survived.

So, we had online quizzes with 50 questions, and had 3 tries to take it (highest count), and most of the questions changed at every tries.
I don't remember but the max number of questions in the database were 200
These quizzes were so random and difficult the smartest person, with 4.0 now in top med school averaged an 80-90. So, rest of us were killed pretty much.
We studied our ass of even for the quizzes.

So, there were 5 people who got together took the test a couple of times, and knew all the questions for their last tries, so they averaged 100 on it. Lot of people were soooo pissed at them, but refused to go to the prof.

Quizzes counted 20-25% of the final grade.

So, I knew about it, and as being a policeman's kid I went to the professor, and told him about the quizzes. Yes, I am a snitch.

I told them about the quizzes, but I did not tell them their names, I just told them people are cheating. I did not tell them their names, because I felt I do not want to be a part of their career to be over.
I asked the prof, if he want to rather give quizzes in class, and he said: no.
SO, I told the prof. they cheat, he told me if I don't tell their names, he can't do anything. I didn't.
He said he is not going to change the quizzes. (I felt he could do something else other than the online quiz, but he didn't).

Also, I felt KARMA will take care of the cheaters eventually.
Well, it didn't.
From the 5 students, 2 dropped, 3 did very well in class.
1 of them is in med school, other 1 got into dental school with a score of 13. It is like you get an 20 on MCAT and get into MD school. She was not a minority. She got lucky I guess!

I don't think there is any moral to the story, but I believe there is going to be 1 person in your class, who will go to the prof.

I am not regretting telling it, any part of it.
Cheating is cheating. It will come back to you one day.

But I believe: everybody should do the same work, have a same chance to get an A in a class.

I got a B by the way, and I was very happy about it.
 
Mohammed1989 said:
Well I talked to the professor and it turns out it was last semesters exams. He was still suprised and said he will talk to the student about the crime. I guess I can use this as a topic in my future interview about being honest 🙂
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I can't believe you snitched.....What if you make a mistake and your whole academic career is ruined because of one thing? Good luck getting in anywhere with a cheating infraction on your record.

Did you talk to the student first yourself?
 
It is amazing that so many people are okay with cheating!

That aside, I'd like to add another perspective. Instructors know that if a student is caught cheating it can seriously jeopardize their future careers. I had a student in class who was caught plagiarizing. He got a very serious warning from the instructor, but it did not go on his record. I didn't have anything to do with it either way, but consider the possibilities.

I could have gone to him without involving the instructor. And do what? Reprimand him as his peer? Or just say that I'm the face of the person who snitched if you don't come clean yourself?

The instructor actually has the authority to say that either this goes on your record or not, and have the student explain themselves.

Finally, students everywhere should know the possible repercussions. Every class I take has a warning in the syllabus about cheating and plagiarism, which typically says the you automatically fail if caught, and may have more severe discipline as well. If a person will risk it at that cost, they will likely risk it in medical school, graduate school, their job...
 
The grammar of the OP and thread title is killing me.

EDIT: snitches get stitches.
 
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Lokhtar said:
I can't believe you snitched.....What if you make a mistake and your whole academic career is ruined because of one thing? Good luck getting in anywhere with a cheating infraction on your record.

Did you talk to the student first yourself?
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I had his friend talk to him first and she also felt it was extremely wrong. He said he had better s**t to do and said the f word to her. So he was a jerk anyway, if I can work 60 hours a week and study, why wouldn't a student who works in school and has money? Besides I would never cheat in school because I rather take a failing grade.
 
Mohammed1989 said:
Hey there guys,

Since I'm taking a short break from studying I was thinking of kid I seen in class the other day.
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Ugh, I can't stand when people use past perfect tense without using helper verbs like "had" or "have." It's "I have seen," or "I saw," not "I seen" or "I have saw."
Nothing against you, it's just that I hear people misusing the word "seen" all the time and it drives me nuts.
 
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TheGoodGoodTime said:
The grammar of the OP and thread title is killing me.

EDIT: snitches get stitches.
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What if your walking down the street with your friend and a guy approaches both of you and shoots your friend. Let say you knew the guys name with the gun would you tell the police who he was? If so you my friend are considered a snitch and deserve stiches. If people lived by your philosophy there would be many murderers loose on the street.
 
wanderer100 said:
Ugh, I can't stand when people use past perfect tense without using helper verbs like "had" or "have." It's "I have seen," or "I saw," not "I seen" or "I have saw."
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Didn't know sdn was like english class
 
Mohammed1989 said:
What if your walking down the street with your friend and a guy approaches both of you and shoots your friend. Let say you knew the guys name with the gun would you tell the police who he was? If so you my friend are considered a snitch and deserve stiches. If people lived by your philosophy there would be many murderers loose on the street.
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:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:. Right because clearly your situation mirrors this one so closely.
 
TheGoodGoodTime said:
People type like they speak. So in your case its obvious you have no idea how to use the word "saw" as you instead use "seen" for everything.
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Normally I wouldn't post something like this, but give the guy a break. IT IS obvious that all of us don't have perfect grammar, or if you prefer you could use IT'S, but never its in this situation. Just lighten up on the guy. And to the OP, I wish that more people posting here had the integrity to do what is right. I have heard a full range of excuses for cheating. My favorite one being that many physicians have some sort of PDA they can use to help treat/diagnose patients, which I thought was a horrible excuse to cheat. Again, good job on doing the right thing.
 
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WOW... this thread has gone wayyyyyyyy off topic. From snitch or not to snitch (I say SNITCH ALL THE WAY b/c this kid is a cheater and deserves to be punished and NEVER get into a prof/grad school) to whether we should use "seen" or "saw" or whatever... wtf :wtf::wtf::wtf:
 
Lokhtar said:
I can't believe you snitched.....What if you make a mistake and your whole academic career is ruined because of one thing? Good luck getting in anywhere with a cheating infraction on your record.
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Right, because later on in life when you're a professional and you see a colleague snitch a few restricted drugs "to help a friend," or they bill for services never performed, you're not going to turn them in either because it would cost them their career. Except now their actions have greater consequences for more people, like if they have a family.

If you're that immature and insecure to cheat on a test, you should seriously consider your future plans.
 
c5212 said:
WOW... this thread has gone wayyyyyyyy off topic. From snitch or not to snitch (I say SNITCH ALL THE WAY b/c this kid is a cheater and deserves to be punished and NEVER get into a prof/grad school) to whether we should use "seen" or "saw" or whatever... wtf :wtf::wtf::wtf:
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Please enlighten me on a single scenario where it is appropriate to use improper English/grammar?
 
What the heck? Get his a** reported. The fact that everyone saw it and no one said a thing just shows what a messed up world this is.

edit: I just read the rest of this thread and it was last year's exams, lol.
 
TheGoodGoodTime said:
Please enlighten me on a single scenario where it is appropriate to use improper English/grammar?
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again, cut some slack. look a few post up at your use of "its", it was also not correct grammar(i already quoted it so you would hopefully get back on course and quite nitpicking at people). please, back to the topic. good job op, it is great to see people with integrity.
 
TheGoodGoodTime said:
Please enlighten me on a single scenario where it is appropriate to use improper English/grammar?
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Well, pretty much the entire internet, for starters.😀 Seriously, this isn't the place for this discussion. If you'd like to instruct the OP on his grammar, please take it to PM. No OT flame wars, please.

I agree with the general sentiment here- the OP did the right thing by reporting the guy. If you have a relationship with the cheater, you confront him, but if not, just tell the prof. Using his name is optional (in this situation it sounds a little unavoidable, since he knew who was on his computer when he left). There is more shame in enabling this guy and letting him screw you, your classmates, the professor and ultimately himself than there is in being a 'snitch'.

As for the people arguing that he "made one mistake"... BS. There are mistakes you can make that can be construed as plagiarism or cheating. There might be a moment of temptation where you glance at someone's test. But to steal a test from a professor's computer takes balls and a dedication to cheating. This guy was not making a mistake, he was trying to get ahead without doing work. As for sinking his career, he apparently had 'better things to do' with his time, so I guess missing out on Pharm school wouldn't be a big problem for him.😉
 
Okay, this is what you should do....Turn in the cheater. Suppose you just saw a nurse push Atropine instead of Ativan, then what???? Suppose...it was a seizure case and your butt is trying to get the seizure under control and now you have ridiculous tachycardia and you are looking around and saying...."what the @#!*% is going on here! This is the time to ask yourself if you wanted that CHEATER standing next to you.....Oh by the way, the CHEATER is also high on cocaine that you didn't know about too. The moral is that one lie becomes the 2nd, 3rd, and so on. No exceptions. Also, tell the judge when the video shows you running red lights and your license plate pops up, that it was the alien tooth fairy delivering a tooth, posing as your double from Area 51!!!

PA-C
 
JediZero said:
Well, pretty much the entire internet, for starters.😀 Seriously, this isn't the place for this discussion. If you'd like to instruct the OP on his grammar, please take it to PM. No OT flame wars, please.

I agree with the general sentiment here- the OP did the right thing by reporting the guy. If you have a relationship with the cheater, you confront him, but if not, just tell the prof. Using his name is optional (in this situation it sounds a little unavoidable, since he knew who was on his computer when he left). There is more shame in enabling this guy and letting him screw you, your classmates, the professor and ultimately himself than there is in being a 'snitch'.

As for the people arguing that he "made one mistake"... BS. There are mistakes you can make that can be construed as plagiarism or cheating. There might be a moment of temptation where you glance at someone's test. But to steal a test from a professor's computer takes balls and a dedication to cheating. This guy was not making a mistake, he was trying to get ahead without doing work. As for sinking his career, he apparently had 'better things to do' with his time, so I guess missing out on Pharm school wouldn't be a big problem for him.😉
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Let the guy or girl have his spot in the spotlight, I mean a med student has that much time to come on here and tell me about grammatical mistakes. Let him/her do it, apparently since they won't ever snitch means they cheat themselves.


I had his friend approach him and she was pretty much shown the finger. He said he was a jerk, trying to act big and what not. What else can you do? If I didn't tell, the other students were going to eventually.
 
Mohammed1989 said:
Well I talked to the professor and it turns out it was last semesters exams. He was still suprised and said he will talk to the student about the crime. I guess I can use this as a topic in my future interview about being honest 🙂
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I would recommend changing it from "I seen a kid steal" to "I saw a kid steal." Also, be sure you don't say that "everyone seen it." Poor english in an interview can't go over well.
 
vpersan said:
I would recommend changing it from "I seen a kid steal" to "I saw a kid steal." Also, be sure you don't say that "everyone seen it." Poor english in an interview can't go over well.
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:laugh: I guess I'm going to have to write proper on sdn from now on. I didn't know people were so uptight with grammar on here.
 
Mohammed1989 said:
:laugh: I guess I'm going to have to write proper on sdn from now on. I didn't know people were so uptight with grammar on here.
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In your defense, tell the typewriter-english-correcting-king that if they were so good with english, they should write a medical transcription program, make some money, then get off SDN. Wow, another idea would be for them to get a PhD and concentrate on english and teach people how to read and write who don't know how already to promote education....not bash those who just make mistakes here and there. I didn't know this was an "offical writing sample for the MCAT." LOL BIG TIME..HA...HA.. take a stool softener or get a hemoccult..:meanie::laugh::wow:
 
ERPAC said:
In your defense, tell the typewriter-english-correcting-king that if they were so good with english, they should write a medical transcription program, make some money, then get off SDN. Wow, another idea would be for them to get a PhD and concentrate on english and teach people how to read and write who don't know how already to promote education....not bash those who just make mistakes here and there. I didn't know this was an "offical writing sample for the MCAT." LOL BIG TIME..HA...HA.. take a stool softener or get a hemoccult..:meanie::laugh::wow:
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I recommend Senna-lax and if that's not strong enough biscodyl tab 5mg. That will surely help them out. 😀

Who cares, people with attitudes usually get treated bad or aren't respected. Let them be ignorant, best thing to do is have a smile on your face because these people can't do anything to you. Wow they wrote a nasty comment, big deal! Who cares?
 
Geez guys, lighten up. SDN is not for useless flame wars, so please keep the discussion on topic. If you have a personal beef with someone, then resolve it via PM, please.
 
I don't condone cheating, but I personally don't have time to care about what others do because it will come back to bite them in the bootay one way or the other. For example, a woman in my science classes always cheated on exams (Orgo, Chem, Biol, etc). Well apparently she scored a 20 on the MCAT and was only offered admission at Carib schools (Not the so call Big 4). I know everyone doesn't believe that cheaters will eventually get caught, but that is really a true statement. It may not happen when everyone wants it too, but best believe it does happen. I guess that makes me someone who doesn't snitch..I'll be that.
 
PunkmedGirl said:
I don't condone cheating, but I personally don't have time to care about what others do because it will come back to bite them in the bootay one way or the other. For example, a woman in my science classes always cheated on exams (Orgo, Chem, Biol, etc). Well apparently she scored a 20 on the MCAT and was only offered admission at Carib schools (Not the so call Big 4). I know everyone doesn't believe that cheaters will eventually get caught, but that is really a true statement. It may not happen when everyone wants it too, but best believe it does happen. I guess that makes me someone who doesn't snitch..I'll be that.
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Exactly the point I was trying to make. The MCAT, PCAT, or GRE will catch you first. If by chance you are smart enough to score high on those, next comes the USMLE, COMLEX, etc..
Rock on girl, bigger things to worry about than some shammer cheating. You sound like you would be a cool, down to earth classmate. One whose nose is not firmly planted at 60 degrees skyward.
 
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