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Hello, I am applying soon. What are the top handful of DO schools out there? (say top 5-7), any links or lists?
Thx
Thx
Hello, I am applying soon. What are the top handful of DO schools out there? (say top 5-7), any links or lists?
Thx
Use the search function.
I searched, just everyone always says there is no ranking and "the one you get into".
Not all DO schools are the same. Some have great connections to get better residencies and matching while others have horrible 3rd and 4th year rotations. Just wanted to make sure I didn't apply to one of the horrible ones (There are very poor DO schools, seems like people don't pay attention to the residency match data), maybe I just have to find that data again...
Residency match data has nothing to do with how poor a school is. Those match lists are based off of personal performance and career goals set by the individual student NOT because the school is horrible.
Thanks Bacchus!PCOM, NYCOM, CCOM, DMU, KCOM, TCOM (no order...except for that first one )
PCOM, NYCOM, CCOM, DMU, KCOM, TCOM (no order...except for that first one )
I would say that the best DO schools are the ones with the highest MCAT and GPA averages. Also, the selectivity of the specialties that their students match into for the residency match should matter. (dermatology, plastic surgery, radiology) Its hard to obtain, but perhaps you could find the average COMLEX scores of their students. The cheapest schools may be "best" as well.
CCOM, DMUCOM, MSUCOM, OUCOM, TCOM are schools with MCAT/GPA averages among the highest...
I searched, just everyone always says there is no ranking and "the one you get into".
Not all DO schools are the same. Some have great connections to get better residencies and matching while others have horrible 3rd and 4th year rotations. Just wanted to make sure I didn't apply to one of the horrible ones (There are very poor DO schools, seems like people don't pay attention to the residency match data), maybe I just have to find that data again...
Some of the newer schools have no connections with rotations, I've read up on this quite a bit. I just forgot which ones they were.
Thanks Bacchus!
All DO schools are required to have written agreements for clinical sites in order to maintain their provisional accreditation per COCA. Reading on SDN for information is not always accurate.
http://www.jaoa.org/cgi/content/full/108/3/121
3/4 year rotations are, in my opinion, the most important thing to look for in a DO school.
PCOM, NYCOM, CCOM, DMU, KCOM, TCOM (no order...except for that first one )
I Picked NSU-COM over three of these places (first 3). It all depends what you're looking for and what you want out of medical school.
nsucom is #1
I'd definitely add UMDNJ-SOM to that list
remove a few, especially KCOM.
That is like saying every team in the NCAA is required to play 5 basketball players to be in the tournament.
I.e. "Required" rarely leads to excellent.
Doesn't mean all the teams are the same quality.
Looks like there are a lot of NSU students on SDN.
NSU-COM getting lots of respect in these parts...
YES, you still have 100% control of your destiny wherever you go, but your chances improve slightly by being in a better connected program. I think everyone would agree, not saying you can't succeed at any school, just that some schools will facilitate the process a bit.
the only top school is the one you're going to excel at. don't get too caught up into stats. make sure it's a place 1. you're willing to go (location) 2. program that you think you learn best at (PBL, SBL, IDP..etc). then sort out the smaller stuff like rotation, cost, social stuff....etc. that'll help cut your list down. regardless of where you attend, and this is an across the board generalization; when you apply for residency, a high gpa and board scores will outweigh what anyone would consider is a "top school"
Its hard to make a list. Mine was more tongue in cheek. But I would say there is a definite pool of "better" schools. But every once in a while there is a shocker, for any DO school. UNE students matched in ACGME rad and radonc this year. WOW.
Sorry, but if you have 100% control, then there is no room for chance to play a factor. Not saying I disagree or agree, but I hate blatant contradictions.
very true...and it's a crapshoot. some rotations are fantastic, some not so. and that's definitely the lumps of a new school/rotations but that's in established places too. plus (some) docs get paid to have students, a title, and their CME's taken care of which is an incentive to keep the academic connection. with that being said i wouldn't choose a school specifically of it's attachment to clinical sites. most pre meds don't know what they want to do, only see "advertised names" and as a 3rd yr, you're just happy to get out of the books and start seeing patients. going to a residency training center as a 3rd yr is not all that its' cracked up to be. on rotations the venting/ rumor mill spins fast and hard. what people thought were "well established" rotations b/c their school sent them there turned out being a "I didn't get to do crap rotation but I learned a lot by watching" or "I was worked to death and didn't get a chance to study for boards"I'm talking about tangible measurable differences in quality of the schools program. Again, I will specifically refer to 3rd and 4th year rotations. I read some horror stories on SDN about some of the newer schools rotations being an absolute joke and completely unprofessional.
good advicevery true...and it's a crapshoot. some rotations are fantastic, some not so. and that's definitely the lumps of a new school/rotations but that's in established places too. plus (some) docs get paid to have students, a title, and their CME's taken care of which is an incentive to keep the academic connection. with that being said i wouldn't choose a school specifically of it's attachment to clinical sites. most pre meds don't know what they want to do, only see "advertised names" and as a 3rd yr, you're just happy to get out of the books and start seeing patients. going to a residency training center as a 3rd yr is not all that its' cracked up to be. on rotations the venting/ rumor mill spins fast and hard. what people thought were "well established" rotations b/c their school sent them there turned out being a "I didn't get to do crap rotation but I learned a lot by watching" or "I was worked to death and didn't get a chance to study for boards"
as a measurable diff between schools, find some students from that school and email them, ask them what they think about it. it's all subjective, you're rotation is what you make of it. you'll learn something from good and bad docs, either to emulate them or never act like them....and definitely don't use the match list as a factor!!
P.S: MSUCOM is the best DO school.
I didn't say anything about whether the rotations were quality or not but that all schools are required to have a clinical rotation sites which means they have connections to clinical sites. There are only a few schools that are new and haven't had students rotate yet and then maybe an additional two schools with sappy rotations. Touro-NY & Touro-CA are the main ones that I have heard to have problems with their clinical department.
That's good to hear! Guess a lot of people wanted it this year.So far PCOM has 5 Radiology matches this year. 4 of them are ACGME.
I also know of one neurosugery (ACGME?) and a couple ophtho. I
Hello, I am applying soon. What are the top handful of DO schools out there? (say top 5-7), any links or lists?
Thx
I always thought plastics was a fellowship.....People always forget about OSU. It is part of a major public university, has it's own hospital, and you can do all 4 years in the same place. We matched very well this year. 5 osteo ortho, 2 osteo ent, 1 osteo urology, 3 osteo anesthesia, 1 osteo neurosurgery, and 5 allopathic anesthesia. Had one guy going for acgme plastics. Haven't heard if he was successful yet.
Trying to rank these schools is a waste of time.
Hey bro, everyone that applies to DO schools wants to know and there is little information out there. When I was applying to schools I did about as much research as I possibly could. Following are some of the things I looked at which definately did not apply to everyone, but applied to me. If your in a similar situation, then use my list if you wish. I looked at the following in no particular order:
1) Average MCAT and GPA
2) Average COMLEX scores
3) % going into specialities vs. primary care (i thought i wanted to do anesthesia initially, but decided on psychiatry now so you never know...but it's good to pick a program that regularly puts people into specialities if that's what your interested in...even if people say "it's really up to the person not the school" --- actually this was a major deciding factor on where I finally chose to go.
4) Location
5) 3 & 4th year rotations
6) Research
My list:
1) TCOM - high primary care (b/c ppl actually want to go into it and can afford to go into it), low tuition rate instate, top COMLEX scores, highest NIH research dollars, great reputation, high mcat and gpa
2) UNDNJ - great match lists, high COMLEX scores, research funding only second to TCOM, reasonable tuition, their hospital is very very good and compared with other DO hospitals, I would say is the best (but that is arguable), high mcat and gpa
DROPS A LEVEL
3) PCOM - large % go into specialities, great match lists, good reputation, like the city
4) CCOM - similar to PCOM, i don't remember too much about it b/c it has been 3 years, but I remember being impressed with their school
5) KCUMB - large % go into specialities, great match lists, very good reputation, big downside is questionable clinical rotations, their curriculum is a huge plus, high MCAT & gpas
DROPS A LEVEL
6) NSU - phenomenal campus, i can't believe i actually talked myself out of not going here, great location, again was really impressed with the school three years ago, but don't remember too much now.
7) NYCOM - large % into specialities, great match lists, don't remember too much thou sorry
In the end, DO NOT listen to the people on SDN that tell you all schools are equal. All schools are not equal. This is MY LIST, and I came up with it with tons and tons of research. Do your research very carefully before you decide which school is right for you. This is the first time I answered a thread "how would rank DO schools" and I only responded because you seem to be an informed student.
Good luck to you.
Doc.
Residency match data has nothing to do with how poor a school is. Those match lists are based off of personal performance and career goals set by the individual student NOT because the school is horrible.