Is There A Preference For Males?

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I have been shadowing at a vet clinic for a few weeks now. The first day the vet said that being a male I will have an easier time finding employment after graduation because most graduates are female and I would stand out. She also said that in the admissions process that I would also stand out (not as much though).

So I started going into vets offices yesterday to look for real jobs, not just shadowing. I went into about a dozen or so and the last one on my stop was interesting. So I went in with my cover letter/resume and explained myself. A tech came up front and said "we have been looking for a guy and you came at the right time." Then another tech came up front and said, "we only have one guy and have desperately been looking for another." While I obviously was happy as they said they would call me back early next week for an interview, I was wondering if there is a preference for males in animal hospitals. As I said, I have shadowed at one other clinic and it appears that there are very few or no guys working there. I also have been reading alot of stats from vet schools and women applicants are definetly the overwelming majority of those that apply and are admitted. So is there any advantage to be a male in the admissions process and also when applying to clinics since most applicants are female?

Im not here to say it is right or wrong but after my experiences at these two clinics I thought I would ask all of you!

Thanks!
 
I don't think there will be much of a difference when applying to vet school, but I'm sure there will be a difference when we are applying for jobs after graduation. There has always been a difference, no matter what job. It's not really fair, is it?
 
The admit rate (admittances to applicants) is roughly the same for both sexes at most schools so that is a myth. Hard to say if the stats of males and females are equivalent but your "chances" are the same.
 

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Bernsters83 said:
When I was looking for a tech job I got two of them specifically because I was a male. Both head techs have said they wanted another guy. Some vets have said they prefer working with guys better.

What I have noticed is there are two types of girls. The girls who get the job done with no Bull and girly girls who you couldn't trust as far as you could throw them. Business isn't the place for feelings and passive aggressive games. It's about the patient not the caregiver and the girly girls will throw you under the bus at first chance.

Let's face it as guys we aren't going to go get pregnant or anything and never in my life would I foresee leaving work to go take care of personal problems like a few of the girls have done at the clinic.

I don't know about you but I'm going to exploit any preference I can get. Here's to being men. (That sounds pretty sexist and I'm sorry but this isn't a well thought out response lol)
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Prepare yourself.....haha
 
Bernsters83 said:
Let's face it as guys we aren't going to go get pregnant or anything and never in my life would I foresee leaving work to go take care of personal problems like a few of the girls have done at the clinic.
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As a girl who will not go off and get pregnant or leave work to "take care of personal problems" (what does that even mean??), you can stuff it. 🙂

Oh yeah, and I was looking at some statistics for tenure track faculty here at UCD, and actually more men took advantage of paternity leave over the past year than women who took advantage of maternity leave.
 
Vet schools value diversity. This means you are at an advantage if you are anything other than Caucasian, female, biology or animal science major, interested in SA general practice. This won't get you in if you are not qualified, but it may help you when adcoms are deciding between hundreds of qualified applicants. You have to stand out somehow and being male is one way to do that.

It is helpful to have some male support staff just because men are usually stronger for their size than women and being a tech or assistant relies a lot on strength.
 
Bernsters83 said:
When I was looking for a tech job I got two of them specifically because I was a male. Both head techs have said they wanted another guy. Some vets have said they prefer working with guys better.

What I have noticed is there are two types of girls. The girls who get the job done with no Bull and girly girls who you couldn't trust as far as you could throw them. Business isn't the place for feelings and passive aggressive games. It's about the patient not the caregiver and the girly girls will throw you under the bus at first chance.

Let's face it as guys we aren't going to go get pregnant or anything and never in my life would I foresee leaving work to go take care of personal problems like a few of the girls have done at the clinic.

I don't know about you but I'm going to exploit any preference I can get. Here's to being men. (That sounds pretty sexist and I'm sorry but this isn't a well thought out response lol)
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You miiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight wanna think about thinking out your responses more before you hit vet school, where you'll be outnumbered by girls.
 
Tiktaalik said:
You miiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight wanna think about thinking out your responses more before you hit vet school, where you'll be outnumbered by girls.
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VeganSoprano said:
Vet schools value diversity. This means you are at an advantage if you are anything other than Caucasian, female, biology or animal science major, interested in SA general practice. This won't get you in if you are not qualified, but it may help you when adcoms are deciding between hundreds of qualified applicants. You have to stand out somehow and being male is one way to do that.
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As StartingoverVet said above, that's a myth. If you look at the percentage of female applicants accepted and the percentage of male applicants accepted, they are roughly the same.
 
Tiktaalik said:
You miiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight wanna think about thinking out your responses more before you hit vet school, where you'll be outnumbered by girls.
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nyanko said:
Oh yeah, and I was looking at some statistics for tenure track faculty here at UCD, and actually more men took advantage of paternity leave over the past year than women who took advantage of maternity leave.
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Curious, is that total number or percentage? If it is percentage, I'd be shocked but pleasantly surprised

jjohnston said:
If you look at the percentage of female applicants accepted and the percentage of male applicants accepted, they are roughly the same.
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In what world?

Edit: Ok, think I missunderstood you - did you mean vs. the percentage which applied perhaps? ie. 30% male applied, ~30% male accepted? Even so, the numbers still don't quite add up - I was told there were 2-3 schools/classes over the last few years that had a 100% female class. Never was able to confirm that however.
 
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No Imagination said:
Curious, is that total number or percentage? If it is percentage, I'd be shocked but pleasantly surprised



In what world?

Edit: Ok, think I missunderstood you - did you mean vs. the percentage which applied perhaps? ie. 30% male applied, ~30% male accepted? Even so, the numbers still don't quite add up - I was told there were 2-3 schools/classes over the last few years that had a 100% female class. Never was able to confirm that however.
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2009
Enrollment data (u.s. schools): 625 male 2140 female
22.6% male 77.4% female
source vmcar page 220

Application data (vmcas data only) 1257 male 4715 female
21.04% male 78.95% female
source vmcar page 203

admittance rate: 625/1257 49.7% male
2140/4715 45.4% female.

Now before you all flame me, I know that admittance rate is garbage. It includes all enrolled students at us schools vs only 1 year's application data at vmcas schools so divide it by by 4 and it is still too high. Whatever. It works for rough comparison purposes. So dividing by 4 I get male vs female admit rate at somewhere less than 12.4% vs 11.4%.

Given that it is only 1 year's sample and the flaws in my data gathering, it is a pretty slight difference between male and female admittance rates. Not large enough for me to do anymore research.

I did this analysis before I started applying (for the previous year) and it was even more in-line.
 
Nahh, no flaming here. Data looks good concerning Applicant vs. Enrollment (and its nice to see they are ~even).

You did however completely loose me after that - but its Saturday, and I am about to pour myself a Bloody Mary, so I will not be re crunching any number. I trust ya 🙂
 
bernsters83 said:
eh oh well, fuel to the fire.

No need to get rude. I'm not saying every female is this way but medicine is a business and there is no place for, "my husband is going to shoot the guy i've been seeing on the side so i've got to go."
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Really????
 
Bernsters83 said:
Eh oh well, fuel to the fire.

No need to get rude. I'm not saying every female is this way but medicine is a business and there is no place for, "my husband is going to shoot the guy i've been seeing on the side so i've got to go." LOL going and getting pregnant is a good thing but it also limits what you can do and what you can expose yourself to. It's only fair to the child you are harboring. Also academia is not industry find better stats, regardless you've presented an interesting trend.

For the record I like working with women just not girly girls (or good ole boys for that matter), I thought at least that was clear.
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Are... are we really doing this? Really?

The kind of cracked-out **** you're mentioning has nothing to do with women at all, and everything to do with dysfunctional weirdos. Believe it or not, there are plenty of flaky men in this world, and attributing someone's behavior to their membership in an "emotional" gender is just. Plain. Whack.

"No need to get rude," I know, I know, but it's kind of hard to let that kind of sexist and incoherent thinking just slide.
 
Tiktaalik said:
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Are... are we really doing this? Really?

The kind of cracked-out **** you're mentioning has nothing to do with women at all, and everything to do with dysfunctional weirdos. Believe it or not, there are plenty of flaky men in this world, and attributing someone's behavior to their membership in an "emotional" gender is just. Plain. Whack.

"No need to get rude," I know, I know, but it's kind of hard to let that kind of sexist and incoherent thinking just slide.
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tiktaalik - you are one cool dude. hope we get to work together as professionals in the future - I'd be proud to have you as a colleague!
 
I also thought that admittance rates were fairly similar among males vs. females. There are only two reasons I can see a clinic wanting a male tech vs. a female tech:

1. Strength. Not saying women are not strong just that men tend to be stonger and therefore restraining is easier for them.

2. Fear of certain gender in dogs. We have some dogs who are fearful of men, but we also have dogs that are fearful of women. If there is a male tech around we can send him in to take care of those that are feraful of women.

Otherwise, I do not see any other reasons for preferring a male tech over a female tech.
 
as for you other more negative preachers - I hope ya'll end up at my vet school so I can kick your butt in attendance record, grades, and technical skill. bring it on. 🙂
 
DVMDream said:
Otherwise, I do not see any other reasons for preferring a male tech over a female tech.
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I'd add personal preference... like someone mentioned, some doctors do prefer a certain gender, & there is always the potential that a less qualified male might get a job over a female because of it (not saying that's right, & of course that one also works in the opposite direction, if doc has a preference for female employees)

And I definitely wouldn't discount the possibility of after-graduation advantage. There was an article about gender differences in clinician's brief awhile back, & in a lot of the comments doctors stated having preferences for males associates / colleagues for some of the above reasons (maternity leave, pregnancy & childcare complications, etc.) Although yes, it's a sexist view, it seemed to be very widespread, & there were plenty of women that agreed also (main reason I saw was something along the lines of "getting screwed b/c the women w/ children always seemed to get priority for holidays or not willing to work emergency or certain shifts; getting stuck covering shifts constantly, etc.)

While there may be plenty of women who would not behave as such, & expect preferential treatment, etc (my bf & I have already agreed that he'd be the stay-at-home dad while necessary if we have kids someday), the ones that do paint a bad picture in general. So although it's unfortunate, I do think, especially in certain practice types, there could be an advantage to being male.
 
heylodeb said:
tiktaalik - you are one cool dude. hope we get to work together as professionals in the future - I'd be proud to have you as a colleague!
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I was JUST thinking the same thing when I saw your post! Tiktaalik is pretty awesome... and also married, I believe. Sorry ladies! :laugh:
 
I actually didn't get a job one time because they "don't hire men because it brings too much drama." Apparently she thought I'd date another employee or something, so it was a big N-O. I personally think that my being male played a role in being accepted this year (that could also be because I have wicked self confidence issues...😳). Western CAN and DOES discriminate between males and females to maintain a diverse class, I was told that they were trying to put more men back into the profession.
 
Nephromaniac said:
I'd add personal preference... like someone mentioned, some doctors do prefer a certain gender, & there is always the potential that a less qualified male might get a job over a female because of it (not saying that's right, & of course that one also works in the opposite direction, if doc has a preference for female employees)

And I definitely wouldn't discount the possibility of after-graduation advantage. There was an article about gender differences in clinician's brief awhile back, & in a lot of the comments doctors stated having preferences for males associates / colleagues for some of the above reasons (maternity leave, pregnancy & childcare complications, etc.) Although yes, it's a sexist view, it seemed to be very widespread, & there were plenty of women that agreed also (main reason I saw was something along the lines of "getting screwed b/c the women w/ children always seemed to get priority for holidays or not willing to work emergency or certain shifts; getting stuck covering shifts constantly, etc.)

While there may be plenty of women who would not behave as such, & expect preferential treatment, etc (my bf & I have already agreed that he'd be the stay-at-home dad while necessary if we have kids someday), the ones that do paint a bad picture in general. So although it's unfortunate, I do think, especially in certain practice types, there could be an advantage to being male.
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I definitely agree about personal preference, too. Even if it is not always "fair", but it does happen. And really, what can you do about it? As someone applying for a job you have no clue if that person was really more/less qualified than you. I did not really look at post-graduation with DVM, but I could see why a practice would like to hire male veterinarians. There are reasons; some good and some sexist. While I do not agree with those "sexist" reasons it does happen and again there really is not much you can do about it. And yes I could see how annoying it would be if one vet is always taken the holidays/emergency shifts off simply because she has a family. Yes, I agree there are those who expect that special treatment and unfortunately I also do agree that their could be an advantage to being male simply because of those expecting that preferential treatment.
 
Nephromaniac said:
While there may be plenty of women who would not behave as such, & expect preferential treatment, etc (my bf & I have already agreed that he'd be the stay-at-home dad while necessary if we have kids someday), the ones that do paint a bad picture in general. So although it's unfortunate, I do think, especially in certain practice types, there could be an advantage to being male.
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There is that - sexist employers will be a factor in most, if not all, lines of work. However, I don't know if this factor is really a greater influence in vet med than it is in any other similar line of work (human med, pharmacy, academia).

I also don't really know if it's fair to say that women who "expect preferential treatment" are painting a bad picture in general. Rather, I'd argue that the problem is employers generalizing the poor behavior of individuals to an entire gender.
 
Tiktaalik said:
There is that - sexist employers will be a factor in most, if not all, lines of work. However, I don't know if this factor is really a greater influence in vet med than it is in any other similar line of work (human med, pharmacy, academia).

I also don't really know if it's fair to say that women who "expect preferential treatment" are painting a bad picture in general. Rather, I'd argue that the problem is employers generalizing the poor behavior of individuals to an entire gender.
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👍 Good point about the employers generalizing the problem. I very much agree with that statement.
 
Re: personal gender preference, I know of some male LA and equine vets whose spouses prefer that they have male techs to avoid any issues/ temptation involved with spending 10 hours a day riding around alone in a truck with a [frequently young and occasionally adoring] female tech. :shrug:
And guys, I'd like to point out that another factor that might cause employers to discriminate against male techs/ assistants is that some men have a problem taking instruction from women (not usually from female vets, but often more senior techs). Moral of the story: don't be that guy!!!
 
Tiktaalik said:
I also don't really know if it's fair to say that women who "expect preferential treatment" are painting a bad picture in general. Rather, I'd argue that the problem is employers generalizing the poor behavior of individuals to an entire gender.
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Good point! I'll compromise... I do agree that employers (or colleagues) shouldn't generalize a stereotype onto all (like with any stereotype!!!), & should evaluate people on their own merit, but I do still think the people who behave this way help promote it, & shouldn't.

It's like all those chihuahua's that try to eat your face off... Are there plenty of nice ones? Sure... but I'm not going to hold any up to my face for kisses until it's proved it's not gonna maul me (or well, pretty much ever, but you get my point). But most labs, sure, I'll crouch down & let them lick away. I know that's dif... just trying to demonstrate that sometimes it's hard not to generalize... And I realize that there are plenty of labs that might try to eat your face too, & it would be "best" not to do either (& let's not debate doggy kisses, I know how some feel about that, lol, 😛).

Don't get me wrong though... I think ultimately you're right, & people SHOULDN'T assume a perceived "quality" of a gender (or race, or appearance, etc.) applies the the population at large. It does seem better in the younger generations than some of the older, so let's hope that trend continues, & that down the road many of us here can & will help as well!

Edit: Also, Tik... I love that pic! Funny & gorgeous (I've been counting down the days until I'm done with school since before I started so I can get a house for Nephron, my someday-husky-to-be !)
 
No Imagination said:
Curious, is that total number or percentage? If it is percentage, I'd be shocked but pleasantly surprised
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It's total number. There are obviously more male tenure track faculty than female in the first place, but in 2008-2009 the men taking paternity leave actually doubled the women taking maternity leave.

Here is the article where the statistics were mentioned: http://www.dateline.ucdavis.edu/dl_detail.lasso?id=12593

No need to get rude. I'm not saying every female is this way but medicine is a business and there is no place for, "my husband is going to shoot the guy i've been seeing on the side so i've got to go." LOL going and getting pregnant is a good thing but it also limits what you can do and what you can expose yourself to. It's only fair to the child you are harboring. Also academia is not industry find better stats, regardless you've presented an interesting trend.
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Melodramatic people of both sexes exist. It sounds like you work with idiots and/or human trash. I have worked with idiots too. Some were male, some were female. It sucks. I bet the guy you're talking about left his job (if he has one) early to go try to shoot the offending "other guy" too, but we're not talking about him are we? 😉

I worked with a tech at one practice who constantly had to come in late or call in because her kid was sick and she was a single parent. This aggravated me to no end. In fact, I was forced to skip a hockey tournament that I had requested the weekend off for months in advance because of this irresponsible idiot. She and her baby daddy got really drunk for her 21st birthday and he got thrown in jail or something and so he couldn't watch the kid and she had to stay home as a result. So I really can sympathize. But I don't think it's quite accurate to generalize an entire class of people due to this.
 
nyanko said:
I worked with a tech at one practice who constantly had to come in late or call in because her kid was sick and she was a single parent. This aggravated me to no end. In fact, I was forced to skip a hockey tournament that I had requested the weekend off for months in advance because of this irresponsible idiot. She and her baby daddy got really drunk for her 21st birthday and he got thrown in jail or something and so he couldn't watch the kid and she had to stay home as a result. So I really can sympathize. But I don't think it's quite accurate to generalize an entire class of people due to this.
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Thank you. PEOPLE cause problems, not genders. 👍
 
I will honestly say I've worked with just as many flaky men as I have women. I occasionally gripe about my coworkers because they have to take off to take care of their kids...but really, what would I expect? I don't trust a stranger to take care of my dogs, and they live out in the yard all day while I'm at work. As someone else pointed out - its PEOPLE that are the problem, not women. More women tend to be attracted to veterinary medicine, making it appear to be an unbalanced problem. But I promise, its just as bad in guys as it is in gals.

And while I'm at it - Bernster you're coming off as an idiot. That's right, I'm going to just come outright and say it. The whole reason affirmative action was created was the mindset you JUST exemplified in two posts. WTG. You are the white, male, majority. And if you tell me to chill out, I'm going to ask you to hand over your man card.
 
I don't think there's an overt preference for males, but they're certainly going to remember each individual male they interviewed better than the individual women, just based on numbers alone and that we're outliers, so there may be some inherent advantage in that.

And for the most part the only thing I can do better than most of the girls I've worked with is reach stuff off the top shelf without needing a stool. Some of those women are stronger than I lol.
 
nyanko said:
As a girl who will not go off and get pregnant or leave work to "take care of personal problems" (what does that even mean??), you can stuff it. 🙂

Oh yeah, and I was looking at some statistics for tenure track faculty here at UCD, and actually more men took advantage of paternity leave over the past year than women who took advantage of maternity leave.
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Amen. Not all of us are baby-hungry housewives (not saying it's a bad thing if you are, either!). There's a time and a place for everything.
 
heylodeb said:
tiktaalik - you are one cool dude. hope we get to work together as professionals in the future - I'd be proud to have you as a colleague!
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I know, I'm sad I'm not going to vet school with tikt now, but at least we're in the same profession. 👍
 
Tobysgirl81 said:
You are the white, male, majority.
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in vet med? i certainly don't feel like the majority. or were you talking about in general? I don't support this dude's comments at all btw! lol in my experience, the I've only worked with 4 guys in clinics (all vets). but with the majority of women that I've worked with, when someone leaves the room, you can rest assured that something is going to be said about that person :laugh:. But a lot of these women are stronger than me, and are more confident when it comes to a 150 lb behemoth with the words CAUTION written on the file. I just always get the "Can you go grab Mrs. Smith's dog out of her car? He can't walk" Come to find out, Mrs. Smith owns a St. Bernard/Newfie mix that just played in some mud.
 
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Anecdotes don't equal data, I know, but I'll throw another experience into the mix. At the 6-vet clinic that I shadowed at, the vets were split 50/50 male and female. The technicians were overwhelming female. There were about 8 technicians, one was a male. And when I was doing my vet assistant course, the entire class of 16 or so was female.

At the clinic, the guy was the worst gossip of all. He was stuck up, catty, and just unpleasant. The women were all happy, cheerful people, lovely to work with. So like someone else said: People suck. Genders don't.

And a brief note about "going off and getting pregnant" or having family issues to deal with: The majority of women I've known who have had kids don't take much maternity leave while pregnant. And men can take parental leave too, at least in Canada. They just don't take it as often as women. Same with other family care issues like aging parents or sick days for kids. It's overwhelmingly women that take these days. Men COULD, but it's not seen by society as "man's work", so they don't. Things are slowly changing, mind you, but we're a long way off equality. *gets off her soapbox and goes home*
 
Bernsters83 said:
What I have noticed is there are two types of girls. The girls who get the job done with no Bull and girly girls who you couldn't trust as far as you could throw them. Business isn't the place for feelings and passive aggressive games. It's about the patient not the caregiver and the girly girls will throw you under the bus at first chance.

Let's face it as guys we aren't going to go get pregnant or anything and never in my life would I foresee leaving work to go take care of personal problems like a few of the girls have done at the clinic.
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Hmmmm I'm sorry but I really take offense to this.
Maybe you've had just a lot of bad experiences with female coworkers and maybe I've just had a lot of bad experiences with male coworkers, but these statements are bull.

Those qualities have nothing to do with being female...at all. I've worked with guys that were passive aggressive (and a guy that would call his girlfriend’s mom to complain about her). At my current workplace I've had two males quit without 2 weeks notice and one fired for sexual harassment/ never working his shifts. Oh and that same guy, the reason he never worked his shifts was because his girlfriend just had a baby, or at least that was his excuse (more likely he wanted to get out of work so he could practice with his rock band 🙄). I'd say 90% of the girls I've worked with have been responsible and no-nonsense (then again I've worked with a disproportionately high number of lesbians:shrug: )
In summary: you need a reality check.
 
Men are better.. no women are better.
no, men are better.. no, women are better.

tastes great.. less filling...
tastes great ... less filling... (for those of you old enough to remember the miller lite commercials during football games).

Basically this "discussion" has degenerated to the..
"are to... am not" argument of kindergarden.

Congrats (some of you) on making the pre-allo crowd look mature.
 
StartingoverVet said:
Men are better.. no women are better.
no, men are better.. no, women are better.

tastes great.. less filling...
tastes great ... less filling... (for those of you old enough to remember the miller lite commercials during football games).

Basically this "discussion" has degenerated to the..
"are to... am not" argument of kindergarden.

Congrats (some of you) on making the pre-allo crowd look mature.
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I don't believe that's what's happening here at all. You and a few other people basically put the "are men privileged in vet school admissions?" question to rest, so people are working on the other question - "are men unusually privileged in hiring?" In the process of this, someone said something rather offensive, and people were, unsurprisingly, offended. What followed was a combination of continued discussion on privilege and several rebuttals to the offending statement. Nobody is arguing that women are better than men - rather, the argument is that gender does not have any bearing on the quality of a person's character.

I saw nothing in here that threatened or denigrated men in any way, as would occur in a kindergarten argument.
 
Nephromaniac said:
Good point! I'll compromise... I do agree that employers (or colleagues) shouldn't generalize a stereotype onto all (like with any stereotype!!!), & should evaluate people on their own merit, but I do still think the people who behave this way help promote it, & shouldn't.

It's like all those chihuahua's that try to eat your face off... Are there plenty of nice ones? Sure... but I'm not going to hold any up to my face for kisses until it's proved it's not gonna maul me (or well, pretty much ever, but you get my point). But most labs, sure, I'll crouch down & let them lick away. I know that's dif... just trying to demonstrate that sometimes it's hard not to generalize... And I realize that there are plenty of labs that might try to eat your face too, & it would be "best" not to do either (& let's not debate doggy kisses, I know how some feel about that, lol, 😛).

Don't get me wrong though... I think ultimately you're right, & people SHOULDN'T assume a perceived "quality" of a gender (or race, or appearance, etc.) applies the the population at large. It does seem better in the younger generations than some of the older, so let's hope that trend continues, & that down the road many of us here can & will help as well!

Edit: Also, Tik... I love that pic! Funny & gorgeous (I've been counting down the days until I'm done with school since before I started so I can get a house for Nephron, my someday-husky-to-be !)
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I agree, it's difficult. In a perfect world, hegemony would not force people to police themselves as though they were representatives of their group, because they would not be seen as such. In our imperfect world, things are more complicated. I just wanted to point out that, in the end, the only reason the actions of individuals affect their group's representation is because the group in power is basing their judgement of an individual's group on their observations of the individual.

As for the pic, I saw it online a few days back, and I was just dying to pull it out - that expression is priceless. :laugh:


Edit: Oh, and guys, there's nothing intrinsically wrong with being part of the "white straight male majority" - it's not something one can help or has to apologize for. The responsibility of those in the majority is to acknowledge that inherited, unearned advantages for the majority exist, and then work to minimize and eventually eliminate these advantages, so that one day everyone will start on a level playing field. There's no need for "male guilt" or "white guilt" or "straight guilt", and discussion of privilege should be seen as an opportunity to be part of the solution, not an attack.
 
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I got quite a response, haha. Its just that when I went in and they realized I was applying for a job they could not stop talking about how they need to hire a man and just really made it clear they were not interested in women. It actually made me feel a little uncomfortable in a way.
 
Maybe they need a male for diversity or some such. Was it government run or anything (IE a university's clinic)?
 
StartingoverVet said:
Men are better.. no women are better.
no, men are better.. no, women are better.

tastes great.. less filling...
tastes great ... less filling... (for those of you old enough to remember the miller lite commercials during football games).

Basically this "discussion" has degenerated to the..
"are to... am not" argument of kindergarden.

Congrats (some of you) on making the pre-allo crowd look mature.
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Agreed (and I'm definitely old enough to remember those miller commercials). The 'at my clinic it's the guys that are idiots' stories have nothing to do with the original question. I've wanted to give some input during this thread but after watching how it's turned out there's no way I'm stepping into this minefield.
 
HopefulAg said:
Maybe they need a male for diversity or some such. Was it government run or anything (IE a university's clinic)?
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Nope it was a regular private practice.
 
Tiktaalik said:
I don't believe that's what's happening here at all. You and a few other people basically put the "are men privileged in vet school admissions?" question to rest, so people are working on the other question - "are men unusually privileged in hiring?" In the process of this, someone said something rather offensive, and people were, unsurprisingly, offended. What followed was a combination of continued discussion on privilege and several rebuttals to the offending statement. Nobody is arguing that women are better than men - rather, the argument is that gender does not have any bearing on the quality of a person's character.

I saw nothing in here that threatened or denigrated men in any way, as would occur in a kindergarten argument.
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Tiktaalik said:
I don't believe that's what's happening here at all. You and a few other people basically put the "are men privileged in vet school admissions?" question to rest, so people are working on the other question - "are men unusually privileged in hiring?" In the process of this, someone said something rather offensive, and people were, unsurprisingly, offended. What followed was a combination of continued discussion on privilege and several rebuttals to the offending statement. Nobody is arguing that women are better than men - rather, the argument is that gender does not have any bearing on the quality of a person's character.

I saw nothing in here that threatened or denigrated men in any way, as would occur in a kindergarten argument.
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