Chad's rule for Acidic

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Chad says CARDIO - Charge, Atoms, Resonance, Dipole Induction and Orbitals

I compared following compounds using above rule and I got it wrong. Chad did mention of few exceptions to the rule. Is this one of the exception? or I have understood the rule wrong?

Organic Chemistry Odyssey, Ch 2, Q#1, P.23

Which compound has the smalles pKa? (i.e. strongest acid, weaker conj. base or more stable conj base..blah..blah..)

1. CH2SO3H
2. Cyclopentanethiol, -SH group attached to Cyclic pentane.
3. 1,3-dioxo-cyclohexane - 2 ketone attached to cyclohexane at B-position to each other
4. 2-pentanone
5. H3PO4

First I compared Charge.
1. O-
2. S-
3. C-
4. C-
5. O-

All compound has 1 negative charge. So I moved to second which is comparing charge on Atom.

As per the rule negative charge on S is more stable or less basic (going down the VI-A column). Similar to going down at halo group.

So I stopped here and picked 2. Cyclopentanethiol as my answer. But the correct answer is 1. CH3SO3H.

I understand -SO3H has more resonance but as per the rule you don't even get to resonance cause you can simply compare the charge on atom here. Have I understood the rule incorrectly? Am I missing anything? or I have made mistake in getting conj base charge? If someone can explain to me in detail, please.
 
Chad says CARDIO - Charge, Atoms, Resonance, Dipole Induction and Orbitals

I compared following compounds using above rule and I got it wrong. Chad did mention of few exceptions to the rule. Is this one of the exception? or I have understood the rule wrong?

Organic Chemistry Odyssey, Ch 2, Q#1, P.23

Which compound has the smalles pKa? (i.e. strongest acid, weaker conj. base or more stable conj base..blah..blah..)

1. CH2SO3H
2. Cyclopentanethiol, -SH group attached to Cyclic pentane.
3. 1,3-dioxo-cyclohexane - 2 ketone attached to cyclohexane at B-position to each other
4. 2-pentanone
5. H3PO4

First I compared Charge.
1. O-
2. S-
3. C-
4. C-
5. O-

All compound has 1 negative charge. So I moved to second which is comparing charge on Atom.

As per the rule negative charge on S is more stable or less basic (going down the VI-A column). Similar to going down at halo group.

So I stopped here and picked 2. Cyclopentanethiol as my answer. But the correct answer is 1. CH3SO3H.

I understand -SO3H has more resonance but as per the rule you don't even get to resonance cause you can simply compare the charge on atom here. Have I understood the rule incorrectly? Am I missing anything? or I have made mistake in getting conj base charge? If someone can explain to me in detail, please.

This is one of the exceptions. Other notable exceptions to these rules include that strong acids like HCl and carboxylic acids are stronger than ammonium ions (RNH3+) even though ammonium ions have a plus charge. And terminal alkynes are more acidic than ammonia even though carbon is less electronegative. No set of rules is full-proof but this is as a good a set as is out there.
 
Thanks for the FYI on exceptions. It's too bad that many rules have exceptions. I guess nothing is perfect in the world!!! Chad did the great job on generalization many things.
 
would you tell me what is the Chad`s online address!? How can I access to that?...Thanks
 
Hey, could you please explain how you are using this rule?

Acidity basicity seems to have so many exceptions, and if this rule is a general rule that usually works, then I would like to learn how to use it..

Can anyone please give a detailed explanation on how this rule works?

Thank you.
 
This is one of the exceptions. Other notable exceptions to these rules include that strong acids like HCl and carboxylic acids are stronger than ammonium ions (RNH3+) even though ammonium ions have a plus charge. And terminal alkynes are more acidic than ammonia even though carbon is less electronegative. No set of rules is full-proof but this is as a good a set as is out there.

i dont remember that being an exception...and i just watched the video? Your right about the ammonium ion etc. but as far as what the OP posted about his problem I dont remember that being an exception unless Im missing something...
 
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