- Joined
- May 12, 2009
- Messages
- 220
- Reaction score
- 0
- Points
- 1
Chad says CARDIO - Charge, Atoms, Resonance, Dipole Induction and Orbitals
I compared following compounds using above rule and I got it wrong. Chad did mention of few exceptions to the rule. Is this one of the exception? or I have understood the rule wrong?
Organic Chemistry Odyssey, Ch 2, Q#1, P.23
Which compound has the smalles pKa? (i.e. strongest acid, weaker conj. base or more stable conj base..blah..blah..)
1. CH2SO3H
2. Cyclopentanethiol, -SH group attached to Cyclic pentane.
3. 1,3-dioxo-cyclohexane - 2 ketone attached to cyclohexane at B-position to each other
4. 2-pentanone
5. H3PO4
First I compared Charge.
1. O-
2. S-
3. C-
4. C-
5. O-
All compound has 1 negative charge. So I moved to second which is comparing charge on Atom.
As per the rule negative charge on S is more stable or less basic (going down the VI-A column). Similar to going down at halo group.
So I stopped here and picked 2. Cyclopentanethiol as my answer. But the correct answer is 1. CH3SO3H.
I understand -SO3H has more resonance but as per the rule you don't even get to resonance cause you can simply compare the charge on atom here. Have I understood the rule incorrectly? Am I missing anything? or I have made mistake in getting conj base charge? If someone can explain to me in detail, please.
I compared following compounds using above rule and I got it wrong. Chad did mention of few exceptions to the rule. Is this one of the exception? or I have understood the rule wrong?
Organic Chemistry Odyssey, Ch 2, Q#1, P.23
Which compound has the smalles pKa? (i.e. strongest acid, weaker conj. base or more stable conj base..blah..blah..)
1. CH2SO3H
2. Cyclopentanethiol, -SH group attached to Cyclic pentane.
3. 1,3-dioxo-cyclohexane - 2 ketone attached to cyclohexane at B-position to each other
4. 2-pentanone
5. H3PO4
First I compared Charge.
1. O-
2. S-
3. C-
4. C-
5. O-
All compound has 1 negative charge. So I moved to second which is comparing charge on Atom.
As per the rule negative charge on S is more stable or less basic (going down the VI-A column). Similar to going down at halo group.
So I stopped here and picked 2. Cyclopentanethiol as my answer. But the correct answer is 1. CH3SO3H.
I understand -SO3H has more resonance but as per the rule you don't even get to resonance cause you can simply compare the charge on atom here. Have I understood the rule incorrectly? Am I missing anything? or I have made mistake in getting conj base charge? If someone can explain to me in detail, please.