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Hey guys,
I am just curious on why some of you chose (or are going to choose) to become ER doctors? I know it is a very stressful job and you get a variety of patients and are required to make immediate decisions.
thanks
 
It definitely was a tough decision. I was very close being an OR doctor.
 
Tonem (or anyone who may have had a similar experience), can i ask why you decided to persue the ER instead of the OR?
Im currently trying to hurry up and decide between the two. I hear people talk about how they have wanted to do emergency medicine since they were born or other people say how much they love being in the OR. I sort of don't have a huge leaning one way or the other and am wondering how you came to your decison.
And I know its kindof a faux pas to bring this up, but how do you think your financial future will be different because of your decision. (do er docs get raises or does an er attending pretty much maintain the same salary throughout his or her career)
thanks
 
For me it was knowing I wanted to see patients of all ages and to work with my hands a lot. IMHO only surgery does more with their hands (anesthesiology may do as much, and maybe OB/GYN). I also like being the first to work up patients. And it's just fun.

Casey
Penn State MSIV
 
I'm one of those guys who knew for a very long time that I wanted to do EM. I was originally introduced to EM and EMS while serving as a copsman in the Navy. It was one of those defining experiences where I knew without a doubt that EM was what I wanted to do with my life. While in medical school, I kept my options open but ultimately decided that EM was in fact the right field for me.

The benefits to EM are many. Two of the biggest are predictable working hours and a variety of pts. I really like the fact that you know when you go to work and when you go home. I think it helps you live a balanced life because you can keep your work life and personal time well seperated.

I really like the variety of pts seen in the ED. Most people think of EM as being bullet wounds and heart attacks. There is definitely that element to EM but there is so much more that I find just as interesting. While much of what we see in the ED isn't necessarily emergent, quite alot of it is urgent. I enjoy evaluating and treating people with multiple medical problems who may be experiencing an exacerbation or decompensation of their condition. I think it is mentally challenging to consider all of the possible dx and then work to rule them in or out. Many of these are things that you wouldn't necessarily think you would find interesting, but once you learn them and get good at them, they become fun. Of course you see your share of routine medical complaints that you would find in most FM and IM type practices and you have to expect that and accept that in order to be happy in EM. The nice thing, in my opinion, is that you don't have the responisbility of routine management and health maintenance that tends to make the clinical practice of FM and IM a drag. For people like me with short attention spans and who hate ruminating over small details of long term managment, EM is a good fit.

EM docs tend to do pretty well financially too. Especially considering compensation vs time spent at work. Docs in the big cities on the coasts tend to make a little less than those in the more rural areas or in middle america. I think $200K would be a nice salary on the coasts. In the South and Midwest $250-300K is closer to the norm. Of course there are exceptions to this but in general I think this holds true.
 
Ditto (as usual) what edinOH says...

I HATE rounding on patients.

I don't like seeing a patient past Hospital Day #3 actually.

I like my time off.

I like procedures.

I like variety.

Did I mention I hate rounding?

Q, DO
 
Unlike edinOH, I didn't know I wanted to do EM until the end of my third year of medical school. Honestly, I remember telling anyone interested in EM that they were crazy and headed for a lifetime of stress. But, during third year, I found myself hanging out in the ED on Medicine call nights because the floor was boring and the docs in the ED had more personality. The longer I spent there, the more it grew on me. Then I did a month of trauma surgery as part of my surgery clerkship, and absolutely loved the idea of not knowing what was coming through the door--and being prepared for anything. I love the opportunity for procedures, and most importantly I love the variety. Truthfully, I have no room for continuity of care in my life. I don't want to know my patients that well. I know it may seem harsh, but when I go home, I love knowing that there are no strings attached, that I've given my 100% during my shift, and that the rest of my life is dedicated to my family, friends and myself.
 
BUT more than that, I HATE being ON CALL...If I never see another oncall night, it will be all to soon...damn, but i still have 4th year to go and I DREAD my rotations that I will have to be on call in!

dito to the above posts..varitety, schedule, the fact you can have A LIFE!!

Pegasus
 
Unfortunately, I have 3 out of my 4 "call" months in a row... CCU this month, Gen Ward next month, then Trauma Surgery... they're all q4... only 4 more nights of House Officer left!!!!!!!!!!!!

I actually don't mind HO as long as the house calls are for something real. I can handle someone desating down to 60%, but I will NOT answer the question "Are you covering for Mr. edinOH?" (When in fact I only cover nurse calls for the teaching service patients). Not fun at 3 AM.

But there is something very cool about being the only doctor walking to the nursing station at 4 AM (while its really chilly in the hosiptal and very peaceful). Its almost empowering. Until I realize that i left my "On Call" book in the call room.

Q, DO
 
Uhhummm....it's DOCTOR edinOH.

I am going to be an on-call fool for most of this year. I have one month of anesth and two of EM where I won't have at least q4 call this year. Ortho and Surg are vacation months so we only rotate with them for 3 weeks. But we still have to take at least 8 calls that month. Makes for a busy month. But I'm not complaining really. The services seem to be pretty laid back and benign. Plus I might actually learn something!

Here I am, begining my intern year, and I can essentially already tell you how many more times I will be on call during the rest of my medical career.

That is reason #138 that I chose EM.

And Quinn,

Did I mention that I hate rounding as well?
 
Question 1: what does rounding mean?

question 2: so based on these descriptions, does this mean ER docs are never on call?! when you guys go home, you can't be bothered?
 
Originally posted by unregistered
Question 1: what does rounding mean?

question 2: so based on these descriptions, does this mean ER docs are never on call?! when you guys go home, you can't be bothered?

1. "Rounding" is seeing/discussing each patient consecutively, often in the morning, and very often at bedside. It entails (for the junior members) collating various amounts of data, and presenting it cogently; it is often very boring, if there has been little change in the patient, and can be very malignant, if the senior has such a personality, or there is someone else "tagging along" to ensure the quality.

2. Never. The only call you might take is "sick call" (just like any other, if a provider calls in, unable to make their shift), or "disaster call" (ie, a plane crash). There also will be a "general call" for available providers if the ED is completely overrun. However, you work the day shift, short of the aforementioned plane crash, you're done until the next shift. The patients will always be there, so you go home when you can.
 
I wholeheartedly agree with the fact that I hate call even more than rounding! It's so depressing to take an admit from one of my classmates in the ED continue on with my day on the medicine wards, watch them sign out while I take another patient and still be in the ED admitting more patients and trying to finish up the scut so I can finally go home and they've been home in bed and are now back for day #2. That was not the driving reason behind my decision for EM, but now it's a huge reason I'm happy with my decision. I am so glad that I only have one more night of general medicine cross-cover. I hate when the nurse calls "on mr. xyz in bed 705-B...." as if I actually remember him from the other 75 patients that were signed out to me and gets all mad when I insist that she tell me whose pt. it is. But I still hate rounding.

To answer the OP's question, for me it was between EM, or surg/critical care. Then I realized that I didn't LOVE being in the OR. I Loved taking care of very sick pts, I love doing procedures, but I thrive in an environment when I always have a million things going on...6 hours in the OR isn't what I love. And you have to LOVE it or else the lifestyle just isn't worth it. Granted in EM there are the people who should've gone somewhere else for their non-emergency, but as one attending told me "we have to take care of the 90% who aren't real emergencies to have the privledge of taking care of the 10% that are." 90% is an extreme over-exaggeration and it is exciting to be the one to fix someone's "emergency" even if I wouldn't have gone to the ER with teh same complaint.
 
Originally posted by edinOH
Uhhummm....it's DOCTOR edinOH.

I am going to be an on-call fool for most of this year. I have one month of anesth and two of EM where I won't have at least q4 call this year.....

Wow, that sucks. I only have two months of q4 call my intern year--CCU and ICU, and I think I have only one month of call my PGY-2 year--Ortho. We spend seven months in the ED (2 of those in Peds ED) and then a month of orientation, Anes, L&D, and vacation. Its been wonderful thus far, and am excited to finally be doing what we waited so long for--working and learning in the ED.
 
Originally posted by sweetfynesse
Wow, that sucks. I only have two months of q4 call my intern year--CCU and ICU, and I think I have only one month of call my PGY-2 year--Ortho. We spend seven months in the ED (2 of those in Peds ED) and then a month of orientation, Anes, L&D, and vacation. Its been wonderful thus far, and am excited to finally be doing what we waited so long for--working and learning in the ED.

Yeah yeah, rub it in! We have four months of call (CCU and MICU, both of which are Houes Officer/Code calls, and Gen Ward (admissions) and Trauma Surgery). Next year only two CCU/MICU, and third year only one I think (TS). I am so glad to be done with CCU. Even though I enjoy the workup of chest pain, I just cannot handle being HO anymore!

I need to get back to the ED to make me feel like I'm actually accomplishing stuff.

Q, DO
 
ER=shift work+$$

'nuff said.
 
Originally posted by QuinnNSU
Yeah yeah, rub it in! We have four months of call (CCU and MICU, both of which are Houes Officer/Code calls, and Gen Ward (admissions) and Trauma Surgery). Next year only two CCU/MICU, and third year only one I think (TS). I am so glad to be done with CCU. Even though I enjoy the workup of chest pain, I just cannot handle being HO anymore!

I need to get back to the ED to make me feel like I'm actually accomplishing stuff.

Q, DO


sorry about that. i really didn't mean to rub it in. i think i was just in shock at how my curriculum compared to others. call sucks, but i guess you'll get a better understanding of being the person on the other end of ED admissions. best of luck...
 
Originally posted by QuinnNSU
Yeah yeah, rub it in! We have four months of call (CCU and MICU, both of which are Houes Officer/Code calls, and Gen Ward (admissions) and Trauma Surgery). Next year only two CCU/MICU, and third year only one I think (TS).

Q, DO

Cry me a river! Of course it was my own fault for doing a 2-4 program but internship=44 weeks of call Q3-4 or night float, 2 weeks ED, 2 weeks elective, 4 weeks vacation. 2-4=4.5 months of call Q2-4 (Medicine wards-2 weeks, MICU-2months, SICU-1month, Ortho-1 month)
 
Originally posted by ERMudPhud
Cry me a river! Of course it was my own fault for doing a 2-4 program but internship=44 weeks of call Q3-4 or night float, 2 weeks ED, 2 weeks elective, 4 weeks vacation. 2-4=4.5 months of call Q2-4 (Medicine wards-2 weeks, MICU-2months, SICU-1month, Ortho-1 month)

Yeah, but you are getting lots of letters after your name 😀

- H
 
I could NEVER last in a predictable job situation. I need the ER as much as I need anything. I can't wait for the traumas and I know...there's a lot more to the ER than traumas like the drunks and such, but you know what?...bring it! 😀

Katee
 
Even though I won't start med school until august lately I have become very interested in EM. Mostly for all the reasons everyone else has said, which is really quite a change because initially I was sure I wanted to be a surgeon. My only worry about EM is whether or not there is a high burnout rate. As a younger person the EM lifestyle might be very appealing but what happens when you turn 50 and still want to work? Can you keep up? Does anyone here have any stories or experiences, anything would be great as I know nothing, haha.
 
I second merc44's comments and concerns.
 
Search it baby or check the FAQ. General consensus is that burnout was more of an issue before most docs were EM residency trained - people pick EM now because they like it, not because they couldn't hack something else. We all know lots of docs 50+ that are still picking up the overnights and are very gung-ho about EM.

C
 
Hey I was wondering what the increase in the number of residency slots/programs will do to the number of available jobs/compensation in 8-10 years (when I would be theoretically done with everything 😀 )?
 
Katee80 said:
...but you know what?...bring it! 😀

That's right! Bring those Emergency Fecal Decompactions On! 😉 😀 :laugh:

But seriously, the procedures are pretty cool.

I have once seen an emergency Thoracotomy with two EM Docs each starting on either side with Trauma sheers, both meeting somewhere in the middle. There was an audience of about 20nurses, rts, social workers and x-ray techs standing around in Awe. And one ER volunteer crapping his pants (me; figuratively speaking).

Talk about cool. The first time I've ever had the chance to touch a lung while the mechanical respirator inflates and deflates them. Pretty cool. 👍 😀
 
........Talk about cool. The first time I've ever had the chance to touch a lung while the mechanical respirator inflates and deflates them. Pretty cool. 👍 😀[/QUOTE]



I'm jealous. 😀

BTW....I'm never gonna get this posting partial posts. WTH did I do now?
 
Katee80 said:
........Talk about cool. The first time I've ever had the chance to touch a lung while the mechanical respirator inflates and deflates them. Pretty cool. 👍 😀


I'm jealous. 😀

BTW....I'm never gonna get this posting partial posts. WTH did I do now?


Hit "quote", then click your cursor anywhere after the quote, and don't delete anything. Preview the post, too, so you can see what it will look like.
 
Apollyon said:
Preview the post, too, so you can see what it will look like.
I'm just going to quote that, to bring some added emphasis to a valuable tip for everyone, everywhere, all the time online...

Oh, heck, I know some HTML (not that I need it, with those cool formatting buttons up there), so I'll say it like this: Please, PREVIEW YOUR POSTS (it's the button right next to 'Submit Reply') and everything will be good. Measure twice, cut once, etc.

we now return you to the substance of the thread topic. thank you.
 
What is the best EM residency program in the south?
 
Oh, definitely Wake Forest 😉
 
Febrifuge said:
I'm just going to quote that, to bring some added emphasis to a valuable tip for everyone, everywhere, all the time online...

Oh, heck, I know some HTML (not that I need it, with those cool formatting buttons up there), so I'll say it like this: Please, PREVIEW YOUR POSTS (it's the button right next to 'Submit Reply') and everything will be good. Measure twice, cut once, etc.

we now return you to the substance of the thread topic. thank you.

Ok ok! 😳
 
tonem said:
It definitely was a tough decision. I was very close being an OR doctor.
Mine was even closer; I lost my position as in IR doctor, and ended up taking on a part time job as an ER doctor.
 
My daughter is 13, graduating from 8th grade and is currently doing an exit essay on what she wants to be when she grows up. She's always wanted to be an ER Doc so of course that's what she's writing about. She'd like to interview an actual doctor but they are all so busy.

Any suggestions or comments about this career choice would be appreciated.

She has a 3.7 GPA and is starting High School in Sept.

Please help

Vanessa
 
superk0725 said:
Hey guys,
I am just curious on why some of you chose (or are going to choose) to become ER doctors? I know it is a very stressful job and you get a variety of patients and are required to make immediate decisions.
thanks

I chose EM for various reasons. One reason is because there aren't many specialties where I could wear pajamas to work. A second is because I wanted to know how to handle a variety of situations. I don't feel like I need to know everything about one particular area, but would like a little knowledge of many different areas. Another is because, to me, medicine is only a job. My motto for the past several years is ¨I have a life, I just need a job.¨ So the aspects of EM (i.e., no call, set working hours, and the ability to have a life outside the hospital) are attractive. Sure there are other specialties with a nice life, but I found those a little boring. My dad used to tell me that I would be bored even with a roman candle stuck up my ass. Well, I am never bored in the ED! Plus, I really like to travel. EM seems a good career to be able to travel and work.

Oh yeah, as others have said, rounding sucks as well. So does patient follow-up.
 
vljimenez said:
My daughter is 13, graduating from 8th grade and is currently doing an exit essay on what she wants to be when she grows up. She's always wanted to be an ER Doc so of course that's what she's writing about. She'd like to interview an actual doctor but they are all so busy.

Any suggestions or comments about this career choice would be appreciated.

She has a 3.7 GPA and is starting High School in Sept.

Please help

Vanessa

Tell her to volunteer at an ED. Then she can really see if she wants to work in that kind of environment. She may be able to ask a few questions of the attendings as well.

And watch every episode of E.R. and Trauma, Life in the E.R. These are critical for any EP's education 😀
 
Have her enjoy high school, do things outside the normal 'track' of medicine. Get good grades and do some volunteering. but other interestes are crucial, not just ot make her stand out, but to maintain life-long sanity.
 
MErc44 said:
Even though I won't start med school until august lately I have become very interested in EM. Mostly for all the reasons everyone else has said, which is really quite a change because initially I was sure I wanted to be a surgeon. My only worry about EM is whether or not there is a high burnout rate. As a younger person the EM lifestyle might be very appealing but what happens when you turn 50 and still want to work? Can you keep up? Does anyone here have any stories or experiences, anything would be great as I know nothing, haha.

I'm 47 years old, just starting an EM residency. I had a business as project engineers for ship repairs, commercial diving, and structural steel projects. Like those jobs, emergency medicine is an adrenaline rush. There's always something else going wrong as you're trying to attend to the scheduled stuff. There's always a fire to put out while doing the routine things that are difficult in their own right.

For me, as an old guy, it's like keeping in shape. The physicality of being light on one's feet throughout a 12 hour shift is a challenge. Thinking about how to manage an emerging myocardial infarction while starting a central line on another patient, while getting the young patient with pneumonia started on antibiotics and out the door in the least possible time by actively prodding the nurse to get the blood drawn and sent quickly without being a jerk and alienating her, while explaining to the mother of a patient that her child is not really sick because I've spent the time to become clinically proficient at knowing and have the ability to put her at ease while firmly getting rid of her for the next patient, etc., etc., etc. For me it's the active juggling, the continued rush without feeling rushed because you're confident and you train, train, train to be so good at this it looks effortless to others.

I work out and am driven to be not just good, but to be excellent at what I do. Not for others, but for me. And when the day ends I'm done. No one calling at 2am about something non-emergent. No long term baby sitting with a patient that is non-compliant with their meds. If I have to bang my head against the wall, it's only for 12 hour periods at a time. I can go home, read, box, play golf, whatever and know I worked my ass off and will do it again either tomorrow or 3 days from now.

I personally have been doing this kind of charged up work for 27 years. Burn out comes when you quit thinking you can do it a little better the next day. Burn out comes when you've allowed those in positions above you wear you down because you haven't created enough value for yourself by being great at your work. No one gives **** to those who make their superiors look good, or make them money, or create prestige for their program with good feed back from the community.
 
When people ask me why I chose EM I often say that it was because ever since 1st grade I've looked forward to not having to do homework when I grew up. There's a lot of truth to that, but the honest answer is that I chose EM because it's where I had the most fun, it was staffed by the docs & nurses I got along with best, and because there was something very ethically appealing to me about seeing everyone who came to me regardless of their ability to pay. The reasons mentioned above all served to reinforce my decision after I made it. Oh yeah, chicks dig it too.

As advice for the zealous parent of an EM hopeful I'd suggest that you made sure your child knows that her happieness is your main concern. If she ends up in medicine, great, but if she is pressured into a life she wouldn't choose for herself you will be doing her a great disservice (supportive guidance is something different than pressure). There is almost no specific advice that I feel is important at 13 (obviously she should do her best in school, but a) who shouldn't? and b) I was a total screw-up until about 17, so 13 is far from crunch time). Roja's advice of cultivating outside interests is in my opinion the most important and germane to EM, as being well-rounded goes a long way in EM.
 
Do EM docs get to pick a set shift usually, or are they forced to work swing shifts like days for a month, then evenings for a month, then nights for a month?
 
supa said:
Do EM docs get to pick a set shift usually, or are they forced to work swing shifts like days for a month, then evenings for a month, then nights for a month?

What its never late for EM (24 hours remember)! Usually you are working days/evenings/nights most of the career. I think if you really WANTED to do nights, some groups might let you do more of those. Also, from my medical student knowledge base, it seems like some groups will let you do less nights the longer/older you stay with that particular group. And I've seen 8 hour shifts, 10 hour shifts, 12 hour shifts, and even 24 hour shifts in small/rural hospitals.
 
I would rather have a salt-encrusted red-hot poker pounded into my rectum than either round or take over-night call. Unfortunately I am repeating intern year next year so I have bought a big tube of anu-sol.

I should be OK.
 
why are you repeating internship?
 
vljimenez said:
My daughter is 13, graduating from 8th grade and is currently doing an exit essay on what she wants to be when she grows up. She's always wanted to be an ER Doc so of course that's what she's writing about. She'd like to interview an actual doctor but they are all so busy.

Any suggestions or comments about this career choice would be appreciated.

She has a 3.7 GPA and is starting High School in Sept.

Please help

Vanessa

Make sure she starts cramming for her organic chemistry. Most people start when they're 10 or 11 years old, so she'll need to work overtime for the remaining 7 years to prepare for the MCAT.
 
leviathan said:
Make sure she starts cramming for her organic chemistry. Most people start when they're 10 or 11 years old, so she'll need to work overtime for the remaining 7 years to prepare for the MCAT.

Hey, gentle, it was an honest request. I did an extensive interview with the child for her class project. I can personally certify "troll-free".

- H
 
In EM, is it more like one day you'll do 8 - 5 then the next day 3 - 3 then the next day 9 - 9? Ie schedule varies by day?

Or is it more like, this week I'm doing 8-5, next week night shift, etc?

Also, as you "move up" in seniority, is it more dayshift hours?

Just curious! =)
 
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