In a survey of 6 doctors of my area, all of them said it was not worth it.

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I just went and asked 6 doctors if they would do it all over again. All 6 said yes.
 
Lol these posts are so annoying.


If medicine is something youre interested in and something you think will be interesting for you to do as a career then it doesnt matter how hard its going to be.


Im sure there are a lot of artists out there who live like homeless people because it is hard for them to make a living, but a lot of them would say that they wouldnt have it any other way.


Difficulty is a matter of perspective, a matter of you weighing your subjective cons against your subjective pros.



If someone goes in to medicine for a stupid reason then yea, I highly doubt they will be very chipper about the ridiculous education commitment and time commitment later down the road.
 
Lunasly said:
Hey guys,

I just want to start by saying this isn't a thread about second guessing myself or trying to persuade anyone from getting out of medicine. I am just starting the discussion on what you guys think the reasons for why many doctors feel that the journey and profession is not worth it.

I know we all want to become doctors, but what turns your off about the profession?

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Throughout the past few months, I have asked a total of 6 doctors in various specialities such as surgery, primary care, emergency medicine, paediatrics, and FM of what they thought of the career and all 6 of them said that they would not do it again.

What are your views on this? Is it just the speciality that they are in? 5/6 of them said they enjoyed the pay, but they felt that the schooling was to long and that they had to work long and random hours.

Discuss.
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Why do people feel the need to "tell" everyone else to "Discuss"?!

Now let's "Discuss" that.

Also, OP, I see you are trying to cut back on your competition. :laugh:
Not likely to work. Sorry. 😉
 
apumic said:
Why do people feel the need to "tell" everyone else to "Discuss"?!

Now let's "Discuss" that.

Also, OP, I see you are trying to cut back on your competition. :laugh:
Not likely to work. Sorry. 😉
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Haha I am not sure why I added 'discuss' in there. Now that I think about it, it's pretty stupid. 😛 And it would be an idea to cut back on competition, but I am not from the US so I guess it doesn't matter for me. 😛
 
Lunasly said:
Haha I am not sure why I added 'discuss' in there. Now that I think about it, it's pretty stupid. 😛 And it would be an idea to cut back on competition, but I am not from the US so I guess it doesn't matter for me. 😛
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...are the people you "surveyed" from the US?
 
OP is the reason statistics will be on the new MCAT.
 
Do doctors not like surveys?

...I only read the title of this thread.
 
WeAreNotRobots said:
Do doctors not like surveys?

...I only read the title of this thread.
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👍👍👍

But in all seriousness, I have met way too many people that think doctors work 3 days a week and make $500,000 for going to medical school and completing a residency that lasts a "couple" years that you get paid to do anyway.

...talk about head desk.
 
ohshxtsaty said:
👍👍👍

But in all seriousness, I have met way too many people that think doctors work 3 days a week and make $500,000 for going to medical school and completing a residency that lasts a "couple" years that you get paid to do anyway.

...talk about head desk.
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What year do the trophy spouses get handed out??????????////
 
kcin said:
What year do the trophy spouses get handed out??????????////
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MS4 just after Match Day contingent upon not having children until finishing residency but no later than 35 years of age duh, didn't you know?
 
ohshxtsaty said:
MS4 just after Match Day contingent upon not having children until finishing residency but no later than 35 years of age duh, didn't you know?
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DARN! That long?! I was looking forward to getting mine at the conclusion of the white coat ceremony.... Man...that extra two years waiting for my trophy wife is going to be almost unbearable!
 
WeAreNotRobots said:
Do doctors not like surveys?

...I only read the title of this thread.
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I actually tldr'ed the title. I didn't make it past "doctors of my area." Out of context it seemed like "my area" was a euphemism for the OP's crotch.

kcin said:
What year do the trophy spouses get handed out??????????////
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Dude, play your cards right and you can receive yours as an advance.
 
WeAreNotRobots said:
Do doctors not like surveys?

...I only read the title of this thread.
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OP can you provide more info on why they didn't like it? There's just too little data (quantitative and descriptive) to generate any meaningful discussion. I think the idea is worth exploring though
 
I've been told by two doctors, both multimillionaire workaholics, that medicine is dead and the only reason to go into it is to sign off on clinical trials because actual practitioners will be "paid minimum wage".

I guess I'm just a masochist. 🙄
 
A very important question that anyone looking to go to med school needs to look at is . do you enjoy medicine? if you don't, please leave it because you will not only be hurting yourself but patients as well. if every doctor i know says its not worth it, yet i love it then who cares. I'm doing it anyways because i enjoy it. money comes with every job, so the question is which job is best for me? it can be in business, art, medicine, finance, etc. at the end, you need to decide which one is for you. you say that you aren't thinking about changing .. but if you don't then why did you ask? it crossed your mind didn't it.. I would prob say you need to rethink your future and be sure this is what you want.
 
medzealot said:
Dude, play your cards right and you can receive yours as an advance.
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Unfortunately, due to the undersupply of the subsidized trophy spouses, any trophy spouse advance must be paid alimony of 6.8% APY. Income based repayment and primary care forgiveness programs are available.
 
DoctwoB said:
Unfortunately, due to the undersupply of the subsidized trophy spouses, any trophy spouse advance must be paid alimony of 6.8% APY. Income based repayment and primary care forgiveness programs are available.
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:laugh::laugh::laugh:
 
If I tell a physician my plans, overall they are positive and encourage me to go. If I don't tell them, overall they are negative and tell me they wouldn't do it again. not sure what to make of this, but I'm not doing this for other people.
 
DoctwoB said:
Unfortunately, due to the undersupply of the subsidized trophy spouses, any trophy spouse advance must be paid alimony of 6.8% APY. Income based repayment and primary care forgiveness programs are available.
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If I can't defer, I guess I'll take IBR while I wait for the apocalypse to erase my obligations.
 
Obligatory chicks, money, power, and chicks?
 
What's with all these statistics Nazis roaming this thread. How about addressing the issue at hand, practicing physicians not feeling fulfilled by their profession, instead of rambling on about whether or not the op was statistically valid.
 
Nothing to do with medicine, but to the guys who argue that n is small:

If you flip a coin 6 times and they're all tails, what's the chance that the coin is rigged? 🙂
 
serenade said:
Statistically negligible.... Beta is low. 🙄
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kcin said:
OP is the reason statistics will be on the new MCAT.
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Chops369 said:
herp derp n=6
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bucks2010 said:
+3 :laugh:
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Glucagon said:
👍
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StudyShy said:
What are you talking about? That's a great size for a study. 😉
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GreenRabbit said:
Nothing to do with medicine, but to the guys who argue that n is small:

If you flip a coin 6 times and they're all tails, what's the chance that the coin is rigged? 🙂
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In a survey of 8 SNDers in this thread, all of them said your logic needs work
 
Negrodamus said:
What's with all these statistics Nazis roaming this thread. How about addressing the issue at hand, practicing physicians not feeling fulfilled by their profession, instead of rambling on about whether or not the op was statistically valid.
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Because there are people who dislike their profession in every field. Because the complainers are always loader than the people who are happy and basically spend their day smiling like a coked up southern belle. Because their opinion is more than likely without statistical evidence to back it up, not representative of the population of interest. Furthermore.. they might just have had a bad day or something and would have frankly preferred to stay in bed and not look at your face, etc. etc.
 
Its a common issue. There are lots of actual studies on physician career satisfaction and its about as expected. As I recall most studies have it running in the 80%ish for satisfied+very satisfied, 40%ish for very satisfied. Which really isn't bad.

However, a lot of physicians do regret their chose or realize they could have made a different choice but its too late. Some will tell you, some won't. When I'm asked about it I kind of judge how to answer based on how well I know the person and their personality.

From another thread when someone asked me about a comment I made:

I think its just one of those things where the idea is better than the reality. And no matter how much clinical experience and shadowing you have, its hard to understand how medicine truly is.

I love my job and can't wait to start residency. But med school changes your life, it affects your personality, affects your perspective on the world and strains your relationships. I just realized that I am not really career driven enough to have 'needed' medicine. I could have been just as happy doing a lot of other things that wouldn't have completely consumed my life like medicine does.

As far as how to know its the right path for you - theres no way to know the answer that question. But in general, when I talk to friends I tell them unless you really think you absolutely COULD NOT LIVE without an MD...consider other options. Autonomy is great but limited even for a physician, and the cost is high (both financially and abstractly).

So if you're someone who cares more about having a family and is looking for a secure, decent paying job that you enjoy - I would say an MD path isn't necessarily the way to go. There are plenty of other science related jobs where you get to help people and the cost is less.
 
maybe all 6 were gunners in med school, and they want to dissuade every pre-meds from applying so their own kids have better chances

gunner mentality never dies
 
Negrodamus said:
How about addressing the issue at hand, practicing physicians not feeling fulfilled by their profession, instead of rambling on about whether or not the op was statistically valid.
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Generally, neonatologists feel fairly good about what they do.


patel2 said:
maybe all 6 were gunners in med school, and they want to dissuade every pre-meds from applying so their own kids have better chances
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Dang. Now you tell me. Please switch my vote to "Medicine is awful don't do it" so my kids can get in.:smack:
 
kcin said:
What year do the trophy spouses get handed out??????????////
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Best to get a trophy wife beforehand. You can do this by being super ripped, having a high income potential and basically by having all-around mad skills.

Now me, I went out and acquired a bread-winner sugar mama trophy wife pre-med school. Those are the best type, in my opinion. Duties of the sugar mama trophy wife include putting you through med school and bearing you children, which is essential to evolutionary success.
 
Lunasly said:
Hey guys,

Throughout the past few months, I have asked a total of 6 doctors in various specialities such as surgery, primary care, emergency medicine, paediatrics, and FM of what they thought of the career and all 6 of them said that they would not do it again.



Discuss.
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Did you remember to use a random sample?
 
Lets get a new viewpoint, if no one went into medicine, then we'd screwed! If you like the profession, but don't like how it's run, get in and do something about it.
 
Allow me to be the first in this thread to introduce data with a decent sample size.

I have a book called "In their own words". The authors surveyed 320,000 physicians and reported their results (n = 11,950 [~9000 primary care]). Some of the stats I found most concerning:

1 question asked the primary care folks what they would do if they had their career to do over again, out of these 4 options:
- choose a surgical/diagnostic specialty
- choose primary care
- choose not to be a physicians
- choose a non-clinical path within medicine.

Only 27% said they would pick primary care again. Another 27% said they wouldn't be a physician.

Another question:

"Based on what you know today, would you recommend medicine as a career to your children or to other young people?"

60% said no. Keep in mind that 75% of respondents were in primary care. But still, out of 12,000 physicians, over 8,000 said they wouldn't recommend medicine to their kids. Something to think about.
 
patel2 said:
maybe all 6 were gunners in med school, and they want to dissuade every pre-meds from applying so their own kids have better chances

gunner mentality never dies
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a gunner is never forgotten, they just fade away
 
GreenRabbit said:
Nothing to do with medicine, but to the guys who argue that n is small:

If you flip a coin 6 times and they're all tails, what's the chance that the coin is rigged? 🙂
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But in a series of 100 coin flips, you shouldn't be surprised to see a string of six in a row. try it.
 
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