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Hi Guys,

I am a current Radiology Resident, and I have completed one year of SURGICAL internship. I have done years of academic reseach in radiology, and I thought it is what i want to do. However, it is not. I don't want to just reading out CT scans all day, and never meet my "patients". Reading films dont excited me at all, and I dont have any fun at work. The only thing I like is the "hours".
I missed my days as a surgeon; I want to be involved in patient care. My life was way more satisfyied than now. I think Anesthiology has a good mix of medicine and procedures and a much better life style than a surgeon. It is fun and exciting.
I have great Step 1 and 2 (~ 260), and good clinical grades, and great LOR from the surgeons. Most importantly, my PD will support my decision .
Do I have any chance to switch into Anesthiology. I would like to transfer now, so I will not waste a year of my time.
Otherwise, I am ok to transfer next year.
Advice please?
 
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Have you considered contacting a dozen or so PDs in your immediate region to ask if this is something they might have an opening to address? A few via email, and a few via phone. Test the waters. If via email, I would quadruple check grammar and keep it succinct - no longer than your post. At most. Grammar is important though, keep that in mind. And good luck!
D712
 
Thank you guys....I didnt read my post after typing it. I think i made a hugh mistake for picking my current program. It was my first choice for the wrong reason...I am totally alone, away from my family, and the program is completely opposite of what am I looking for.
It is all my fault, I should not have ranked this program...it is probably contribute to my dislike in radiology. Everyday is like living in hell
 
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Call program directors. You sound genuine and obviously are a great candidate. Make sure you "try out" some anesthesia before jumping in. Best of luck.
 
Why not a different radiology residency?

Closer to home?

More like what you want?

You have done "years of academic research in radiology" so you have some idea of the ultimate prize/ lifestyle there.

What do you know of anesthesiology?

Stick with rads. Go interventional so that you get some patient contact.

Arch Guillotti said:
The grass isn't always greener on the other side.

qft

- pod
 
Have you considered contacting a dozen or so PDs in your immediate region to ask if this is something they might have an opening to address? A few via email, and a few via phone. Test the waters. If via email, I would quadruple check grammar and keep it succinct - no longer than your post. At most. Grammar is important though, keep that in mind. And good luck!
D712

Not to be an ass, but why do you think that you can offer any advice on things that you've never done or have yet to encounter? Rather presumtuous of you to advise about switching residencies when you have yet to enter medical school.
 
Not to be an ass, but why do you think that you can offer any advice on things that you've never done or have yet to encounter? Rather presumtuous of you to advise about switching residencies when you have yet to enter medical school.


was wondering the same thing.

I switched out of surg. I had some contact with the anesthesia department at my program. I worked with them and got 2 letters. I interviewed for a mix of in the match and out-of-the-match spots. I got a spot in the match, had to take a year off because it was an advanced spot. CA-1 spots aren't advertised very often, i found out about most of them after applying to programs through ERAS. I'm sure there are quite a few others. good luck!
 
Where do you want to go? I know UTSW and UTMB have multiple spots that they keep out of the match to save for great applicants switching out of other fields directly into CA1. I'd imagine they are taking applications now for CA1s to start July 2012.
 
Arent people having trouble getting jobs in radiology? Fellowship is now required from what Ive heard. Kind of sucks how many attendings here hate their anesthesia jobs though, I guess it's too late for me now
 
Not to be an ass, but why do you think that you can offer any advice on things that you've never done or have yet to encounter? Rather presumtuous of you to advise about switching residencies when you have yet to enter medical school.

why do people find it so important to bring something up like this IF my advice wasn't far off - AT ALL - from what a fellow attending of yours (sevo85288) suggested after I posted? But let's shine some light considering you've "called me out," on an anonymous forum.

Why do I think I can help if I haven't encountered the match and residency yet? First off, I'm not a typical premed, I'm 38. I've been around the block. Life's block. A lot of life's problems can be handled with common sense, yes? In that case, I applied some. That's the simple answer. I'm not sure you'll be happy with that though, so, not to be an ass, but let's continue on with this exercise in complete and total mental masturbation.

My post really should end here. But it doesn't.

There are only a few "obvious" ways to go here...a) stay put in Rads, like Periop said, and remain in crappy program, or switch into other Gen Rads program, and, though I was going to post it I forgot, b) go Intvl so you can do some procedures and touch a body part now and then. For example, as an Intvl Radiologist, he would put in a port now an then, yes? How, IN THE WORLD could I possibly know something so "unknowable" if I'm not a friggin' Intvl Radiologist Fellow, and encountered putting in a port, myself? Is the world really that black and white to you? c) get out of dodge, being Rads. Each require an obvious pathway.

One of my best friends on this planet, is the PD of an anesthesia program. I sit in his office, and work, and talk, a lot. I see residents come and go and they ask him hundreds of questions. Residency Life questions. Work questions. Help me questions. What to do questions. As a matter of fact, gasp, because, I assume, I'm in scrubs and have some gray hair (damn genetics), certainly not because I sit there with swagger, they'll sometimes - gasp again, turn to me, thinking I know SOMETHING and ask my opinion about something, in their resident life!!! Yikers!!!! And - oh my gosh, Attendings do the same. I think they s hit and pee too. Granted, Residents don't really talk to him about OPs concerns because, you know, that's really personal and it's the PD after all, and I'm there. So, where do I get the balls to answer the OPs' question? Read on.

Other brilliant resident life examples that are clearly specific only to resident life (sarcasm)... I know that if you are a resident and need off, for a conference say, you may need to call a fellow resident, or the Chief, to see if you can get your "shift covered." WOAHHHH. Now, whether you are a resident or not, is this much different than calling someone to take your waitering shift at Fridays? Your mail shift at the PO? Your bartending shift at Hooters? The call, not the work mind you. Common sense. Once you know that's the process, come on now, Doctor.

More secret resident life stuff that I cannot comment upon but I will (sarcasm)...Post overnight call, you get out of work and would like, "desperately, to be left alone and go to sleep." Again, not a resident here, so I hope I'm not overstepping my bounds, but Common Sense. I guess I have been exposed to this technically, in that I called my resident friend, "Wanna goto the beach?" "No, I'm post call..." But then again, you made an assumption that I have never been exposed to any of this, right? I'm a premed student. You're the Attending. And YOU'RE the one making assumptions here????????

I regularly work with residents. Daily, for months at times. 1 on 1, all day. Believe it or not, as part of this project I did, guess who taught me how to do what I needed to do? A resident! Why? One matched and was leaving. My job? To fill his (NON CLINICAL) shoes. Free Research! So, I'm exposed to research and writing at a resident's level. Guess what, and this is going to BLOW YOUR MIND, you know what happens when the resident can't find the CT for Patient XYZ on the system, THEY ASK ME. Holy COW batman! I'm helping a resident with said resident's research job!!! You know what happens when I'm calculating a STS score and I'm not sure, reviewing the chart, if the patient is NYHA Class II or IV, I ASK THE RESIDENT!!! Ergo, Exposure. This is what med schools want from us pre-meds. Mine experience happens to be very resident heavy because of my ability to write. Something, frankly, some docs are amazing at, some, not so much. 🙂 So I'm a valuable commodity. And I use that to my advantage to get exposure to all facets of the career I will spend the rest of my life practicing.

My other closest friend, matched here. We spent 2 years together working on a project. Day in and day out. Breakfast. Morning meetings. Grand rounds on Tuesdays (yes, the mentors expect you there when they are speaking because, the clinical trial team is the clinical trial team). Lunch. All afternoon at library, cath lab, etc. 2 years. Nothing but listening to his life story coming from India and ultimately matching where we work. I could probably talk a little bit about J-1 visas as well, however, again, I'M A US CITIZEN.

You know what residents talk about when you and they are searching for papers on pubmed side by side in the med school library, for hours at a time? RESIDENT LIFE AND MATCHING. You know what they talk about when you are driving them to buy their first car because "they don't know how to buy a car, even though it will be with a personal check - HA..." RESIDENT LIFE AND SWITCHING RESIDENCIES. You know what they talk about when they are from India and have NO CLUE what Freida.org (i think that's the address) is, and don't know the difference between Mount Sinai in NY or Cedars Sinai in LA? RESIDENT LIFE AND THE JOB MARKET. And when you are sharing the experience of getting your first papers published together, as co-authors, walking around campus to get our three other authors' signatures on a piece of paper, you know what they talk about RESIDENT LIFE AND PRESENTING POSTERS.

Mostly, though, it's just common sense. Not to be an ass. The process of RANK ORDER LISTS > MATCHING > HATING YOUR CURRENT JOB ain't exactly brain surgery - just yet. And, as far as the OP's post, I think my opinion was spot on. Albeit, incomplete. In fact, as for changing career areas (I've switched the areas of television I write for more than once), majorly or tangentially, I have a LOT of exposure to that. Common sense.

You know there are TWO KINDS OF DOCTORS I expect to encounter when I enter med school and residency a) the types that are happy I am grabbing the blade with my non-dominant hand, putting the patient in sniff pos, aiming that part of the handle at THAT WALL/CEILING corner over THERE without them having to tell me to do so. And then I'm going to encounter type b) your type. The ones who are deeply offended that I read ahead and want to piss on my parade and QUESTION why I would read ahead because I love what I'm doing. Your type will call me out and make a joke in front of the other residents, EVEN THOUGH I did the right thing. Like you did above. Your type, I never wanna be, especially with impressionable new students. But your type is out there, ad infinitum, and frankly, I would NEVER speak to you like this in person in a hospital. Ever. So, thank you for giving me the opportunity to express myself in a manner I won't use, when dealing with YOUR TYPE, throughout the remainder of my medical career. I appreciate it.

Common sense. Remember it. Gets you through a lot of life's problems that you haven't been exposed to just yet.
Please don't put people into their little square-pegged "pre-med" places here. Bugs me. Rather presumptuous of you to presume about my life. Ay?

Have I addressed your post and ameliorated your concerns?

Namaste.

D712
 
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tkim is unable to answer at the moment, too busy inserting foot into mouth.

very nice post.

CJ
 
why do people find it so important to bring something up like this IF my advice wasn't far off - AT ALL - from what a fellow attending of yours (sevo85288) suggested after I posted? But let's shine some light considering you've "called me out," on an anonymous forum.

Why do I think I can help if I haven't encountered the match and residency yet? First off, I'm not a typical premed, I'm 38. I've been around the block. Life's block. A lot of life's problems can be handled with common sense, yes? In that case, I applied some. That's the simple answer. I'm not sure you'll be happy with that though, so, not to be an ass, but let's continue on with this exercise in complete and total mental masturbation.

My post really should end here. But it doesn't.

There are only a few "obvious" ways to go here...a) stay put in Rads, like Periop said, and remain in crappy program, or switch into other Gen Rads program, and, though I was going to post it I forgot, b) go Intvl so you can do some procedures and touch a body part now and then. For example, as an Intvl Radiologist, he would put in a port now an then, yes? How, IN THE WORLD could I possibly know something so "unknowable" if I'm not a friggin' Intvl Radiologist Fellow, and encountered putting in a port, myself? Is the world really that black and white to you? c) get out of dodge, being Rads. Each require an obvious pathway.

One of my best friends on this planet, is the PD of an anesthesia program. I sit in his office, and work, and talk, a lot. I see residents come and go and ask him hundreds of questions. Residency Life questions. Work questions. Help me questions. What to do questions. As a matter of fact, gasp, because, I assume, I'm in scrubs and have some gray hair (damn genetics), certainly not because I sit there with swagger, they'll sometimes - gasp again, turn to me, thinking I know SOMETHING and ask my opinion about something, in there resident life!!! Yikers!!!! And - oh my gosh, Attendings do the same. I think they s hit and pee too. Granted, Residents don't really talk to him about OPs concerns because, you know, that's really personal and it's the PD after all, and I'm there. So, where do I get the balls to answer the OPs' question? Read on.

Other brilliant resident life examples that are clearly specific only to resident life (sarcasm)... I know that if you are a resident and need off, for a conference say, you may need to call a fellow resident, or the Chief, to see if you can get your "shift covered." WOAHHHH. Now, whether you are a resident or not, is this much different than calling someone to take your waitering shift at Fridays? Your mail shift at the PO? Your bartending shift at Hooters? The call, not the work mind you. Common sense. Once you know that's the process, come on now, Doctor.

More secret resident life stuff that I cannot comment upon but I will (sarcasm)...Post overnight call, you get out of work and would like, "desperately, to be left alone and go to sleep." Again, not a resident here, so I hope I'm not overstepping my bounds, but Common Sense. I guess I have been exposed to this technically, in that I called my resident friend, "Wanna goto the beach?" "No, I'm post call..." But then again, you made an assumption that I have never been exposed to any of this, right? I'm a premed student. You're the Attending. And YOU'RE the one making assumptions here????????

I regularly work with residents. Daily, for months at times. 1 on 1, all day. Believe it or not, as part of this project I did, guess who taught me how to do what I needed to do? A resident! Why? One matched and was leaving. My job? To fill his (NON CLINICAL) shoes. Free Research! So, I'm exposed to research and writing at a resident's level. Guess what, and this is going to BLOW YOUR MIND, you know what happens when the resident can't find the CT for Patient XYZ on the system, THEY ASK ME. Holy COW batman! I'm helping a resident with said resident's research job!!! You know what happens when I'm calculating a STS score and I'm not sure, reviewing the chart, if the patient is NYHA Class II or IV, I ASK THE RESIDENT!!! Ergo, Exposure. This is what med schools want from us pre-meds. Mine experience happens to be very resident heavy because of my ability to write. Something, frankly, some docs are amazing at, some, not so much. 🙂 So I'm a valuable commodity. And I use that to my advantage to get exposure to all facets of the career I will spend the rest of my life practicing.

My other closest friend, matched here. We spent 2 years together working on a project. Day in and day out. Breakfast. Morning meetings. Grand rounds on Tuesdays (yes, the mentors expect you there when they are speaking because, the clinical trial team is the clinical trial team). Lunch. All afternoon at library, cath lab, etc. 2 years. Nothing but listening to his life story coming from India and ultimately matching where we work. I could probably talk a little bit about J-1 visas as well, however, again, I'M A US CITIZEN.

You know what residents talk about when you and they are searching for papers on pubmed side by side in the med school library, for hours at a time? RESIDENT LIFE AND MATCHING. You know what they talk about when you are driving them to buy their first car because "they don't know how to buy a car, even though it will be with a personal check - HA..." RESIDENT LIFE AND SWITCHING RESIDENCIES. You know what they talk about when they are from India and have NO CLUE what Freida.org (i think that's the address) is, and don't know the difference between Mount Sinai in NY or Cedars Sinai in LA? RESIDENT LIFE AND THE JOB MARKET. And when you are sharing the experience of getting your first papers published together, as co-authors, walking around campus to get our three other authors' signatures on a piece of paper, you know what they talk about RESIDENT LIFE AND PRESENTING POSTERS.

Mostly, though, it's just common sense. Not to be an ass. The process of RANK ORDER LISTS > MATCHING > HATING YOUR CURRENT JOB ain't exactly brain surgery - just yet. And, as far as the OP's post, I think my opinion was spot on. Albeit, incomplete. In fact, as for changing career areas (I've switched the areas of television I write for more than once), majorly or tangentially, I have a LOT of exposure to that. Common sense.

You know there are TWO KINDS OF DOCTORS I expect to encounter when I enter med school and residency a) the types that are happy I am grabbing the blade with my non-dominant hand, putting the patient in sniff pos, aiming that part of the handle at THAT WALL/CEILING corner over THERE without them having to tell me to do so. And then I'm going to encounter type b) your type. The one's who are deeply offended that I read ahead and want to piss on my parade and QUESTION why I would read ahead because I love what I'm doing. Your type will call me out and make a joke in front of the other residents, EVEN THOUGH I did the right thing. Like you did above. Your type, I never wanna be, especially with impressionable new students. But your type is out there, ad infinitum, and frankly, I would NEVER speak to you like this in person in a hospital. Ever. So, thank you for giving me the opportunity to express myself in a manner I won't use, when dealing with YOUR TYPE, throughout the remainder of my medical career. I appreciate it.

Common sense. Remember it. Gets you through a lot of life's problems that you haven't been exposed to just yet.
Please don't put people into their little square-pegged "pre-med" places here. Bugs me. Rather presumptuous of you to presume about my life. Ay?

Have I addressed your post and ameliorated your concerns?

Namaste.

D712

And that my friends took D712 oh, I dunno,

four minutes to write.:laugh:
 
you da man jpp!!! and that was me restrained... 🙂 appreciate it, crazyjake.

I just like posting stuff now so I can look at my new animated signature...!!!! 🙂

D712
 
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So, you haven't gone through med school or the match, but you've been around a lot of residents, and your BFF is an anesthesia PD. That qualifies you to give advice.

Hubris.

This is the dark side of non-trads who think thier years in some other career is easily translatable to medicine. Some of it is, some isn't. This is the non-trad equivalent of the college premed who has a parent or family member in medicine who prefaces their comments with 'my daddy says', and with an air of authority not supported by their years or experience.

Hubris.

Hopefully you will have felt vindicated putting me in my place since I had no idea you had reams of inside knowledge about residency life and switching residencies.

Of course, simply stating your experiences might have accomplished the same thing, without the indignant tone and verbal diarrhea. But if you want to feel as if you schooled 'my type' of doctor, go you.

why do people find it so important to bring something up like this IF my advice wasn't far off - AT ALL - from what a fellow attending of yours (sevo85288) suggested after I posted? But let's shine some light considering you've "called me out," on an anonymous forum.

Why do I think I can help if I haven't encountered the match and residency yet? First off, I'm not a typical premed, I'm 38. I've been around the block. Life's block. A lot of life's problems can be handled with common sense, yes? In that case, I applied some. That's the simple answer. I'm not sure you'll be happy with that though, so, not to be an ass, but let's continue on with this exercise in complete and total mental masturbation.

My post really should end here. But it doesn't.

There are only a few "obvious" ways to go here...a) stay put in Rads, like Periop said, and remain in crappy program, or switch into other Gen Rads program, and, though I was going to post it I forgot, b) go Intvl so you can do some procedures and touch a body part now and then. For example, as an Intvl Radiologist, he would put in a port now an then, yes? How, IN THE WORLD could I possibly know something so "unknowable" if I'm not a friggin' Intvl Radiologist Fellow, and encountered putting in a port, myself? Is the world really that black and white to you? c) get out of dodge, being Rads. Each require an obvious pathway.

One of my best friends on this planet, is the PD of an anesthesia program. I sit in his office, and work, and talk, a lot. I see residents come and go and they ask him hundreds of questions. Residency Life questions. Work questions. Help me questions. What to do questions. As a matter of fact, gasp, because, I assume, I'm in scrubs and have some gray hair (damn genetics), certainly not because I sit there with swagger, they'll sometimes - gasp again, turn to me, thinking I know SOMETHING and ask my opinion about something, in their resident life!!! Yikers!!!! And - oh my gosh, Attendings do the same. I think they s hit and pee too. Granted, Residents don't really talk to him about OPs concerns because, you know, that's really personal and it's the PD after all, and I'm there. So, where do I get the balls to answer the OPs' question? Read on.

Other brilliant resident life examples that are clearly specific only to resident life (sarcasm)... I know that if you are a resident and need off, for a conference say, you may need to call a fellow resident, or the Chief, to see if you can get your "shift covered." WOAHHHH. Now, whether you are a resident or not, is this much different than calling someone to take your waitering shift at Fridays? Your mail shift at the PO? Your bartending shift at Hooters? The call, not the work mind you. Common sense. Once you know that's the process, come on now, Doctor.

More secret resident life stuff that I cannot comment upon but I will (sarcasm)...Post overnight call, you get out of work and would like, "desperately, to be left alone and go to sleep." Again, not a resident here, so I hope I'm not overstepping my bounds, but Common Sense. I guess I have been exposed to this technically, in that I called my resident friend, "Wanna goto the beach?" "No, I'm post call..." But then again, you made an assumption that I have never been exposed to any of this, right? I'm a premed student. You're the Attending. And YOU'RE the one making assumptions here????????

I regularly work with residents. Daily, for months at times. 1 on 1, all day. Believe it or not, as part of this project I did, guess who taught me how to do what I needed to do? A resident! Why? One matched and was leaving. My job? To fill his (NON CLINICAL) shoes. Free Research! So, I'm exposed to research and writing at a resident's level. Guess what, and this is going to BLOW YOUR MIND, you know what happens when the resident can't find the CT for Patient XYZ on the system, THEY ASK ME. Holy COW batman! I'm helping a resident with said resident's research job!!! You know what happens when I'm calculating a STS score and I'm not sure, reviewing the chart, if the patient is NYHA Class II or IV, I ASK THE RESIDENT!!! Ergo, Exposure. This is what med schools want from us pre-meds. Mine experience happens to be very resident heavy because of my ability to write. Something, frankly, some docs are amazing at, some, not so much. 🙂 So I'm a valuable commodity. And I use that to my advantage to get exposure to all facets of the career I will spend the rest of my life practicing.

My other closest friend, matched here. We spent 2 years together working on a project. Day in and day out. Breakfast. Morning meetings. Grand rounds on Tuesdays (yes, the mentors expect you there when they are speaking because, the clinical trial team is the clinical trial team). Lunch. All afternoon at library, cath lab, etc. 2 years. Nothing but listening to his life story coming from India and ultimately matching where we work. I could probably talk a little bit about J-1 visas as well, however, again, I'M A US CITIZEN.

You know what residents talk about when you and they are searching for papers on pubmed side by side in the med school library, for hours at a time? RESIDENT LIFE AND MATCHING. You know what they talk about when you are driving them to buy their first car because "they don't know how to buy a car, even though it will be with a personal check - HA..." RESIDENT LIFE AND SWITCHING RESIDENCIES. You know what they talk about when they are from India and have NO CLUE what Freida.org (i think that's the address) is, and don't know the difference between Mount Sinai in NY or Cedars Sinai in LA? RESIDENT LIFE AND THE JOB MARKET. And when you are sharing the experience of getting your first papers published together, as co-authors, walking around campus to get our three other authors' signatures on a piece of paper, you know what they talk about RESIDENT LIFE AND PRESENTING POSTERS.

Mostly, though, it's just common sense. Not to be an ass. The process of RANK ORDER LISTS > MATCHING > HATING YOUR CURRENT JOB ain't exactly brain surgery - just yet. And, as far as the OP's post, I think my opinion was spot on. Albeit, incomplete. In fact, as for changing career areas (I've switched the areas of television I write for more than once), majorly or tangentially, I have a LOT of exposure to that. Common sense.

You know there are TWO KINDS OF DOCTORS I expect to encounter when I enter med school and residency a) the types that are happy I am grabbing the blade with my non-dominant hand, putting the patient in sniff pos, aiming that part of the handle at THAT WALL/CEILING corner over THERE without them having to tell me to do so. And then I'm going to encounter type b) your type. The ones who are deeply offended that I read ahead and want to piss on my parade and QUESTION why I would read ahead because I love what I'm doing. Your type will call me out and make a joke in front of the other residents, EVEN THOUGH I did the right thing. Like you did above. Your type, I never wanna be, especially with impressionable new students. But your type is out there, ad infinitum, and frankly, I would NEVER speak to you like this in person in a hospital. Ever. So, thank you for giving me the opportunity to express myself in a manner I won't use, when dealing with YOUR TYPE, throughout the remainder of my medical career. I appreciate it.

Common sense. Remember it. Gets you through a lot of life's problems that you haven't been exposed to just yet.
Please don't put people into their little square-pegged "pre-med" places here. Bugs me. Rather presumptuous of you to presume about my life. Ay?

Have I addressed your post and ameliorated your concerns?

Namaste.

D712
 
So... you've been around a lot of residents...and your BFF is an anesthesia PD. That qualifies you to give advice.

No. The entire picture qualifies me. In this scenario. I cannot believe I have to go over this again.
Think empirically. You wanted to know what qualified me, I answered you. According to your "logic", if you HAVEN'T lived it, you aren't qualified. Sometimes yes, HERE, NO. How many times have I called a non-writer and ASKED THEIR OPINION about taking a JOB. I've called JET for help from time to time with my old writing career.
You gotta - REALLLLLLLLLLLLLY - be kidding me with your state of mind. Take some spackle and fill in that chip on your shoulder. It's not my fault non-trad pre-meds talk out of their AS SES 1/2 the time. I don't. It irks you, because you've been through so much, hardest accomplishment of your life, and NOW YOU'RE THERE, and I shouldn't tread with a TIDBIT of advice. PLEASE. Get over yourself. Open your eyes.

This is the dark side of non-trads who think thier years in some other career is easily translatable to medicine. Some of it is, some isn't.

The advice I gave, falls under the "Some of it is..." category. From my POV. You're arrogant thinking you know me... You know MEDICINE and whatever else YOUR PATH has
afforded you. That's what you know.
The rest of life is, to me, how long you've lived. Wisdom comes with age, not youth. How old are you? You know more about hockey and stocks and sea shells and lollipops and unicorns than me too? Oh right. Because
you're a doctor. Ok, lemme do this, next time one of my younger resident friends asks me for some advice about cars or whether to buy or rent, or if he should n ail the ER nurse, I'll send em you're way. You're qualified to answer.

Of course, simply stating your experiences might have accomplished the same thing, without the indignant tone and verbal diarrhea....

It's annoying when someone is indignant, right? Riiiiight. :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:😀
This can also be stated as, "You started" "Takes one to know one" or "Right back atcha." or "Pot calling kettle black?" Your pick.
Here's a thought, next time you don't want indignant reply, don't start off with "Not to be an ass..." and end on, "presumptuous."
Sort of begs for the kind of reply I gave you.

But if you want to feel as if you schooled 'my type' of doctor, go you
Who mentioned anything about schooled? 😎 Oh, you did. Feel schooled? Good.

Listen, I think it just irks you that non-trad pre-meds think they know-it-all. I get that. It must be annoying. But yet again, you're trying to paint black and white. Some non-trads "get it". If I feel I fit in with the 20 anesthesiologists that I work with, goto hockey games with, have holidays with, write with, work with, research with, eat dinner with, HELP, bla bla bla, call me conceded or delusional. Whatevs. I put my pre-med time in, soon I'll put my med time in, the resident time in. When exactly am I allowed to have an opinion about something NON-CLINICAL????? You see me giving advice about dosages? Again, get over yourself. This was a simple question, the OP was terribly stressed, and I tried to give sensible advice. What are you, the ADVICE POLICE?????

I SO want to move on from this convo.

What you've done YET AGAIN, is dig your feet in when you KNOW you got your answer, and it was correct. Yet again, you've seen me grab the blade with my non-dominant hand, and YOU ARE STILL QUESTIONING ME!!!! Humbling, ain't it. Here's what you could've replied, "Oh, I guess you have some experience and know a thing or two, my bad." That's character. You, have zilch.

D712
 
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No. The entire picture qualifies me.

And we are supposed to deduce from what - your premed status - your mdapps file? Your extensive writing career?

Get a grip.

If, as a premed, you give advice about switching residencies, be prepared to have your information questioned. Simple.

This reminds me of a guy - funny enough, was a 38 y/o writer who wanted to do ... muffler repairs.

So he hung around the muffler repair shop, since his BFF was the owner of the shop. He talked to the muffler repair guys. Sometimes, because he wore coveralls like the rest of muffler repair guys - shop rules, and had gray hair, some of the muffler repair guys and customers though he was a muffler repair guy, too.

This caused him a secret pride but great internal disquiet, since he rilly rilly wanted to be a muffler repair guy, but he hadn't gone to muffler repair school yet. But he also wanted people to know that he Knew Things.

One day, a brake repair guy came into the shop and talked about switching jobs - perhaps muffler repair.

The writer gave some advice about what to do to get a muffler repair job, but when a tow truck driver asked if he had ever worked in a muffler repair shop, repaired a muffler, or gone to muffler repair school, he answered 'How dare you question me? I've hung out with muffler repair guys for a long time, and my best friend is the owner of this muffler repair shop, so my advice is just as good as actual muffler repair guys. Besides, my years of experience as a writer, which has nothing to do with muffler repair, school, or working in a muffler shop, is still valid in this scenario.'

The tow truck guy muttered "Hubris" and "Poseur" and left in his truck to get chili fries.
 
That was a compelling muffler story, Doctor. You have proven that you are the king of the false-muffler logic. I think I'm a Doctor? I hold myself that way at work? Or, maybe, I'm fun and passionate and people ask me to help write papers about their mufflers that have been languishing on their muffler repair desks? And when I prove myself, they bring me more muffler papers. It's an accomplishment Im proud of!!! I don't fix mufflers - yet- I write about them. In the midst of writing about them, as the chair of clinical affairs at the muffler shop told me on day one 2 years ago, "you'll learn a little bit about mufflers along the way to muffler school."

Period. Get over it.

I am glad you questioned me. Absolutely. I should expect that. Here's what I don't expect: phrasing the question like a jockstrap. On this board, I reply in kind. In the hospital, I hold doctors with the highest respect and reverence. Hands down. But it you wanna call out a writer, this one is going to reply in kind. Just be thankful that I feel like replying with restraint and not like I did two winters ago with another LOUD poster. I don't wanna get banned during my app cycle.

Frankly, you ask how someone should be expected know about my experiences? So your default position is treat people like ***** until proven otherwise?

Noted,
D712
 
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That was a compelling muffler story, Doctor. You have proven that you are the king of the false-muffler logic. I think I'm a Doctor? I hold myself that way at work? Or, maybe, I'm fun and passionate and people ask me to help write papers about their mufflers that have been languishing on their muffler repair desks? And when I prove myself, they bring me more muffler papers. It's an accomplishment Im proud of!!! I don't fix mufflers - yet- I write about them. In the midst of writing about them, as the chair of clinical affairs at the muffler shop told me on day one 2 years ago, "you'll learn a little bit about mufflers along the way to muffler school."

Period. Get over it.

I am glad you questioned me. Absolutely. I should expect that. Here's what I don't expect: phrasing the question like a jockstrap. On this board, I reply in kind. In the hospital, I hold doctors with the highest respect and reverence. Hands down. But it you wanna call out a writer, this one is going to reply in kind. Just be thankful that I feel like replying with restraint and not like I did two winters ago with another LOUD poster. I don't wanna get banned during my app cycle.

Frankly, you ask how someone should be expected know about my experiences? So your default position is treat people like ***** until proven otherwise?

Noted,
D712

Not to be an ass, but why do you think that you can offer any advice on things that you've never done or have yet to encounter? Rather presumtuous of you to advise about switching residencies when you have yet to enter medical school.

Perfectly reasonable question, your response was incendiary.
 
And with that, TKIM and I thank you for watching our little show. We're here all week. Try the veal, and tip your waiters...

D712
 
this is the best thread i've read on sdn in a looong time. :corny:i'm on tkim's side.
 
doctor712, I think you're overreacting here a bit. It wasn't unreasonable for tkim to question the qualifications of someone with 'pre-med' status giving a resident advice on an internet forum. And it's not like he was being obnoxious about it.


Something else to consider -

My impression, and this is just my opinion of course, is that nontraditionals typically do well not because their abundance of "life experience" has intrinsic value in medicine, but because they're old enough to have had their hopes and dreams crushed once or twice by a cruel world, and they bring humility, open eyes, and a monster work ethic to their 2nd or 3rd stab at life.

You've had quite a bit more exposure to medicine than the average pre-med, but take my word for it (or not), the day you show up for your MS1 histology class, all that time hanging out with residents will count for precisely **** and you're going to need to prove yourself starting at zero like everyone else.
 
doctor712, I think you're overreacting here a bit. It wasn't unreasonable for tkim to question the qualifications of someone with 'pre-med' status giving a resident advice on an internet forum. And it's not like he was being obnoxious about it.


Something else to consider -

My impression, and this is just my opinion of course, is that nontraditionals typically do well not because their abundance of "life experience" has intrinsic value in medicine, but because they're old enough to have had their hopes and dreams crushed once or twice by a cruel world, and they bring humility, open eyes, and a monster work ethic to their 2nd or 3rd stab at life.

You've had quite a bit more exposure to medicine than the average pre-med, but take my word for it (or not), the day you show up for your MS1 histology class, all that time hanging out with residents will count for precisely **** and you're going to need to prove yourself starting at zero like everyone else.

Pgg,

I respect you and like your posts a lot. I think you know that.

You, and TKIM actually, with the calming down of this thread, preempted me, in that I was going to tell TKIM that I am exactly the kind of pre-med that he would want around work/med school etc. I am gung-ho at 38 years old. GUNG. HO. Does anyone know what it takes to be GUNG HO about a new career at 3 frigging 8, ESPECIALLY when you are not leaving an old one because of dreams crushed, but when you are having more success than ever?? That's a huge leap. A risky leap. And I feel strongly about it. So, in that, I have a tremendous amount of experience to advise those with career dilemmas. I respectfully disagree.

Histology, and proving myself, and my studying ethic and all, that has never been brought up here. That's an entirely different thread, and I really do not want to make a leap here, which you implied: because I have quite a bit more exposure to medicine, that I think I can breeze through Pathology. Please afford me the benefit, that, after spending two years on this board, that is NOT me, PGG. Your point in that I start at the bottom of the totem pole, is heard loud and clear, but my eyes have been open to that for a while now. Please accept my thought, that I am WELL aware I'm not going to get favors, why would I want them? I will continue to have to work my butt off. Having said that, it starts over at every level of medicine. Low man as an M1, then PGY1, then maybe Fellow in a two year program, then as lowest partner, it never ends. What can I do. It is what it is. As for being humble and having a monster work ethic...there is NO WAY I could be getting treated so amazingly, and have been welcome into certain responsibilities, by those around me, at work, without possessing those two qualities. At work, and I say this as a reply only, take it for what it's worth, I am oft complimented about work ethic both directly, to my face, and to my superiors. And then after work, docs offer to have me and my family over for dinner, holidays, and vice versa. Same as in the Hollywood club. You treat people well, be they a doctor or a painter. All I can say is, I feel blessed to be given the CHANCE to work hard where I am. It was a stroke of luck. I mention this as an example only. On this board, it gets away from me at times (and frankly, we all have our moments...) because I dislike presumptions and chips, and shoulders. And frankly, it's an internet board full of lots of piss and vinegar. I think the fact that I am outspoken -- all the while a pre-med in a non-pre-med-board - makes some hypersensitive. I understand that. I'm outspoken. JPP is outspoken and I love his posts. But he's an ATTENDING and can say whatever he likes on this board, even if it pisses some people off or rubs some the wrong way. He's got the CREDS. I dabble where I am allowed to dabble. I'm outspoken and always will be. It rubs some people the wrong way. I like honest opinions. I saw TKIM being rude, I replied. Done.

I do think that life experiences, and the intrinsic value therein, the wisdom (which comes from those dreams being reached and missed and what not) is precisely what makes certain non-trads successful with his peers, even in medicine...(note i didn't say med SCHOOL yet). I can meet with the Chairman and not make a fool out of myself, an M1 maybe yes and maybe no. Truly. That's experience from other meetings of importance in my life, no? Separate issue: STUDYING. It's Med SCHOOL after all. Do I still need to buckle down like an OTHER M1, he ll yes. Do my days writing for tv affect that willingness to buckle down, if you wanna get ahead... But this was never even questioned by my stance above. All I was using to defend were credentials to give some advice. Credentials to study Histology and Pathology? Bupkis. Got none. Two rather diverging aspects to being a pre-med advice giving...IMHO.

I disagree also PGG, that TKIM was being obnoxious. And continued on thereafter. But I thought I had put that in the past with a lighthearted comment in previous post, so I don't wanna harp on that.

Some docs have agreed with me above, some not so much. I know there's a bit of resentment with me floating around and asking certain clinical questions, using medical terms, wearing scrubs (because I need to grab data off the IVUS and need to be near ORs to talk and work with you dudes for the most part, and it's always an early choice...) writing papers and all that garbage. I think I posted in a thread once about VLBMST and a paper I co-wrote, and I got slack, like who is this guy? THIS GUY is the one who wants to live this stuff, who is passionate about it, reads, keeps eyes and ears open 24/7, and is trusted by a lot of my future colleagues. Who wants to learn and practice. Period. THAT'S THE DUDE I want around me when I'm an attending, and I stand by that. And, in the hospital, I hold myself such that I always have respect, that one day I know a 27 y o punk will talk down to me, and that I am fun, and funny, to work with.

I also stand by treating others as you would like them to treat you. And that initial "query" would absolutely NOT have been quelched with a reply, "Well, I have some more resident and clinical exposure experience than the avg premed." I'd have been shredded. So, I elaborated and now take slack for replying in kind.

I stand by my reply, and hear PGG's advice as well. I think PGG, big picture, what you're saying is, look, ok, you've got a couple accomplishments beyond the normal pre-med and you may very well have steaks with your future attendings, don't let it goto your head as the next many years are really going to be trying, and if you think you know it all you don't. Roger that and thank you.

D712
 
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doctor712, I think you're overreacting here a bit. It wasn't unreasonable for tkim to question the qualifications of someone with 'pre-med' status giving a resident advice on an internet forum. And it's not like he was being obnoxious about it.


Something else to consider -

My impression, and this is just my opinion of course, is that nontraditionals typically do well not because their abundance of "life experience" has intrinsic value in medicine, but because they're old enough to have had their hopes and dreams crushed once or twice by a cruel world, and they bring humility, open eyes, and a monster work ethic to their 2nd or 3rd stab at life.

You've had quite a bit more exposure to medicine than the average pre-med, but take my word for it (or not), the day you show up for your MS1 histology class, all that time hanging out with residents will count for precisely **** and you're going to need to prove yourself starting at zero like everyone else.

Post #5 is from an attending, sevo85288. His advice was to contact Program Directors, except he didn't provide as much detail as D712 did. Looks like D712 was

RIGHT ON THE MONEY, AY??

(gavel hits The Bench twice, echoing through the crowded courtroom)

Case closed.

"ALL RIIIIISE."😀
 
Post #5 is from an attending, sevo85288. His advice was to contact Program Directors, except he didn't provide as much detail as D712 did. Looks like D712 was

RIGHT ON THE MONEY, AY??

Kid pumping gas outside the brake shop: "Hey mister, you need new calipers and rotors."

Do you drop a grand on his say so?

Or do you wait for the brake guy to say it.

C'mon Jet. Do you take flying advice from the guy contemplating going to flight school?
 
TKIM,

Was I offering medical advice? Please, please, PLEASE say yes...

I really want you to expand your definition of MEDICAL. ADVICE. in front of your peers.


Again, false logic, Muffler Airplane Pilot dude. What I did was, if you really wanna get down to it, the following: I heard a radio transmission, from JET, "Hi World. This is JPP. It's bumpy up here at FL350, really bumpy..." I then replied, "Dude, land here in MY HOMETOWN, don't continue to Atlanta, I wanna grab lunch with you!!!" And he lands and we grab some series Lobster tails. End of analogy. Was I teaching him how to fly and LAND? Seriously, how old are you?!!! And why the caliper and rotor and muffler analogies? Haahahaha.

Either make the argument mean something, or just STOP. AND, AS JET SO PROFOUNDLY SAID... I GAVE THE EXACT SAME ADVICE AS ONE OF YOUR ATTENDING
COLLEAGUES, ERGO, IBIS, DEFACTO TANTO HERPETICO, I JUST QUALIFIED MYSELF TO GIVE SAID (NON-MEDICAL) ADVICE...

D712
 
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Post #5 is from an attending, sevo85288. His advice was to contact Program Directors, except he didn't provide as much detail as D712 did. Looks like D712 was

RIGHT ON THE MONEY, AY??

(gavel hits The Bench twice, echoing through the crowded courtroom)

Case closed.

"ALL RIIIIISE."😀

👍👍👍
 
how is "doctor"712 dressed in scrubs proffering advice to a resident different from "doctor" nurse in his long white coat proffering an anesthetic to a patient?

both advice and anesthetic were articulately and eloquently delivered. and the foundation of experience for both clearly there. it is the lacking depth of understanding and unearned disguise of title that makes both inappropriate.

and it was the muffler story - that is one choice post.
 
I am gung-ho at 38 years old. GUNG. HO. Does anyone know what it takes to be GUNG HO ???

D712

I'm calling Bull****. Gung-Ho, great movie; Micheal Keaton in his prime at his absolute best. Funny softball scene. Funny prework exercise scene. Good exchanges between Jap and American auto workers (We're lazy, they aren't). Filmed mid 80's making you 13 years old. Maybe Daddy let you on the set to meet the guys and write a line or 2, but to take credit for the entire movie and say, I AM GUNG HO!!! Nope, not buying it!!!!!

Try something where the timeline makes sense, like, DO YOU REALIZE WHO I AM???? I WROTE HANGOVER!!!!! I AM HANGOVER!!!!!!!!!! HANG... OVER... !!!!!!!!!!
 
Post #5 is from an attending, sevo85288. His advice was to contact Program Directors, except he didn't provide as much detail as D712 did. Looks like D712 was

RIGHT ON THE MONEY, AY??

(gavel hits The Bench twice, echoing through the crowded courtroom)

Case closed.

"ALL RIIIIISE."😀

how is "doctor"712 dressed in scrubs proffering advice to a resident different from "doctor" nurse in his long white coat proffering an anesthetic to a patient?

both advice and anesthetic were articulately and eloquently delivered. and the foundation of experience for both clearly there. it is the lacking depth of understanding and unearned disguise of title that makes both inappropriate.

and it was the muffler story - that is one choice post.

it's not medical advice. that's how. it's career advice and i've had a successful career. as a matter of fact, let's go there, MAYBE my career has been more successful than TKim's? Relatively. Maybe I have 1000 accolades on my wall, and he is just learning to use a Parking Pass. You want my GENERAL CAREER ADVICE, or TKIMS?
In ANY FIELD.

As an example, you want to get CAREER ADVICE from someone 12 seconds out of residency, who hasn't even HAD a private practice career, for example, or you want it from JET? Who has been at it for 15 years? Both MDs. One just happens to bring more KNOWLEDGE and EXPERIENCE to the CAREER situation. Period.

Slavin, I could be dressed in a bunny suit, the DUDE was asking about how to handle a stressful WORK situation. I offered advice. The only logical answer to this situation is, you don't like that I offered some advice about something that was so minutely medical field related, as compared to giving an ANESTHETIC, seriously, that it perturbs you. Nothing else makes sense. It's a ridiculous argument.

Oh, I gave the same advice as an attending. Crazy. Isn't it. So, it's not the ADVICE that was bad 😀 😀 😀 😀 it was, OUTSIDE A CLINICAL SCENARIO, medical field related CAREER advice that a pre-med gave that irks you. Ok. I don't see the logic. Especially after explaining a little background. If this happened in person, you wouldn't blink an eye. I think there are some bored peeps here...

D712
 
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doctor712 - I think you'll succeed and do great, I really do. It's good to have you here and I wasn't suggesting that you're unwelcome.

Medicine wasn't my only stab at life either. My older brother is a 43-year-old PGY3.

I still think your post #11 was over the top, given tkim's question in #7. If you had simply replied that you spend a lot of time working with residents and an anesthesia program director, and know some specialty refugees who've switched to anesthesia, that could've been the end of it.


Jet - What's wacky and surreal about this thread is not the correctness of the advice, or even its pre-med source, but how a simple question spurred 3000+ words of passionately indignant and unnecessary defense.



OP is probably :whoa:'ing her way slowly away from the forum as we keep piling trains onto these busted tracks.
 
I'm calling Bull****. Gung-Ho, great movie; Micheal Keaton in his prime at his absolute best. Funny softball scene. Funny prework exercise scene. Good exchanges between Jap and American auto workers (We're lazy, they aren't). Filmed mid 80's making you 13 years old. Maybe Daddy let you on the set to meet the guys and write a line or 2, but to take credit for the entire movie and say, I AM GUNG HO!!! Nope, not buying it!!!!!

Try something where the timeline makes sense, like, DO YOU REALIZE WHO I AM???? I WROTE HANGOVER!!!!! I AM HANGOVER!!!!!!!!!! HANG... OVER... !!!!!!!!!!

Wait. You're kidding right? I have never seen GUNG HO.

But,

I think

You are kidding.

Hangover 1. Amazing. Hangover 2, Brutal.
 
how is "doctor"712 dressed in scrubs proffering advice to a resident different from "doctor" nurse in his long white coat proffering an anesthetic to a patient?

both advice and anesthetic were articulately and eloquently delivered. and the foundation of experience for both clearly there. it is the lacking depth of understanding and unearned disguise of title that makes both inappropriate.

Very well put.

I had a half-typed comment about CRNAs who think their years of experience "managing" ICU patients makes them anesthesiologist equivalents, but couldn't find the words as you did.
 
doctor712...If you had simply replied that you spend a lot of time working with residents and an anesthesia program director, and know some specialty refugees who've switched to anesthesia, that could've been the end of it.

Yeah, but that sort of reply doesn't get RATINGS!!!!!!!!!

😀😀😀😀

Otherwise, thanks for the kind words! Didn't know your bro was a NON TRAD!!!! 👍👍👍👍👍👍
 
Very well put.

I had a half-typed comment about CRNAs who think their years of experience "managing" ICU patients makes them anesthesiologist equivalents, but couldn't find the words as you did.

Yes, but when my reply makes it seem that I am offering medical advice only a well-trained anesthesiologist (rightfully so) can give, I'll concede. And this was SO far from it. When you go clinical advice, the argument falls apart IMHO
 
Wait. You're kidding right? I have never seen GUNG HO.

You never saw Gung Ho???? WTF kinda fake wannabe Tinsel Town guy are you??????? 🙂

It's a friggin classic!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
TKIM,

Was I offering medical advice? Please, please, PLEASE say yes...

I really want you to expand your definition of MEDICAL. ADVICE. in front of your peers.


Again, false logic, Muffler Airplane Pilot dude. What I did was, if you really wanna get down to it, the following: I heard a radio transmission, from JET, "Hi World. This is JPP. It's bumpy up here at FL350, really bumpy..." I then replied, "Dude, land here in MY HOMETOWN, don't continue to Atlanta, I wanna grab lunch with you!!!" And he lands and we grab some series Lobster tails. End of analogy. Was I teaching him how to fly and LAND? Seriously, how old are you?!!! And why the caliper and rotor and muffler analogies? Haahahaha.

Either make the argument mean something, or just STOP. AND, AS JET SO PROFOUNDLY SAID... I GAVE THE EXACT SAME ADVICE AS ONE OF YOUR ATTENDING
COLLEAGUES, ERGO, IBIS, DEFACTO TANTO HERPETICO, I JUST QUALIFIED MYSELF TO GIVE SAID (NON-MEDICAL) ADVICE...

D712

Writing like Jet and invoking Jet's name doesn't make you Jet. Or an MD.

Giving the same advice as an attending two posts later makes you look like a parrot.
 
Jet - What's wacky and surreal about this thread is not the correctness of the advice, or even its pre-med source, but how a simple question spurred 3000+ words of passionately indignant and unnecessary defense.

it's really relative. as a writer, i bang these things out in no time flat. Jet knows this. me seeing you intubate a patient seems insurmountable to me, but you can do it in 4 seconds, yes? 😎

granted, i am wacky and surreal sometimes.

D712
 
I still think your post #11 was over the top, given tkim's question in #7. If you had simply replied that you spend a lot of time working with residents and an anesthesia program director, and know some specialty refugees who've switched to anesthesia, that could've been the end of it.

Yup.
 
Yeah, but that sort of reply doesn't get RATINGS!!!!!!!!!

😀😀😀😀

Otherwise, thanks for the kind words! Didn't know your bro was a NON TRAD!!!! 👍👍👍👍👍👍

He is the ultimate nontraditional.

When I was in gradeschool, he grew marijuana plants in my bedroom because he figured our parents would never think to look in an 8-year-old's room. (He figured wrong.) Then he moved the garden to the neighbor's yard because they were old and never went into their back yard.

I could write 1000s of words about the things he pulled and did. He was quite the juvenile delinquent. High school dropout. Never made it to jail but did some probation for one teenage scam or another. 😀

Then he went to EMT school, shortly after that became a paramedic. About 10 years later decided he was sick of EM docs bossing him around, so he went to med school. And now he's an EM resident.

I'm more impressed with his path than my own, mostly straight one, to be honest.
 
Writing like Jet and invoking Jet's name doesn't make you Jet. Or an MD.

Giving the same advice as an attending two posts later makes you look like a parrot.


Wait, but I wrote the advice, FIRST. How does that make me look like a parrot? :idea::idea:

Really, I bold my words and now I'm Jet MD. Ooooooook.

When I write scripts I cannot bold, and you rarely underline. Never italicize.
CAPS as needed. anyhoo...

D712
 
Wait, but I wrote the advice, FIRST. How does that make me look like a parrot? :idea::idea:

Really, I bold my words and now I'm Jet MD. Ooooooook.

When I write scripts I cannot bold, and you rarely underline. Never italicize.
CAPS as needed. anyhoo...

D712

My bad, you posted first.
 
You never saw Gung Ho???? WTF kinda fake wannabe Tinsel Town guy are you??????? 🙂

It's a friggin classic!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Back from the days when the Japanese bought Pebble Beach and we were terrified of them.

Now we're terrified of the Chinese.


Deja vu, man!
 
He is the ultimate nontraditional.

When I was in gradeschool, he grew marijuana plants in my bedroom because he figured our parents would never think to look in an 8-year-old's room. (He figured wrong.) Then he moved the garden to the neighbor's yard because they were old and never went into their back yard.

I could write 1000s of words about the things he pulled and did. He was quite the juvenile delinquent. High school dropout. Never made it to jail but did some probation for one teenage scam or another. 😀

Then he went to EMT school, shortly after that became a paramedic. About 10 years later decided he was sick of EM docs bossing him around, so he went to med school. And now he's an EM resident.

I'm more impressed with his path than my own, mostly straight one, to be honest.

GREAT ABOUT YOUR BRO! Gives me hope that I will get in somewhere as we all have blemishes, as non-trads especially, and this one is neurotic about his (mine). Awkward phrasing! And while I have everyone's attention?
ADCOM members? Bueller? Bueller? Imagine TKIM was an ADCOM member...my luck. He probably is.

REJECTED.

PGG, I am genuinely curious, would love to know where your BRO went to med school! Would you feel comfy PMing me? GREAT STORY.

D712
 
My bad, you posted first.

Excellent, excellent we're making progress. Excellent.

Here, I'll take a turn. My reply might have been, a little....

SPOT ON.

No, kidding, a little...intense.

D712
 
Then he went to EMT school, shortly after that became a paramedic. About 10 years later decided he was sick of EM docs bossing him around, so he went to med school. And now he's an EM resident.

Dropped out of college to be a paramedic. Fourteen years later, went back to school, med school, EM residency, attending, arguing with anesthesia-wannabe writers on the internet.

Your brother's story and mine are pretty similar. Except for the - uh, marijuana. Yeah.
 
Dropped out of college to be a paramedic. Fourteen years later, went back to school, med school, EM residency, attending, arguing with anesthesia-wannabe writers on the internet.

Your brother's story and mine are pretty similar. Except for the - uh, marijuana. Yeah.

My brother's teenage years could be summed up thusly - throws a cherry bomb in the girls' bathroom, turns around to run, knocks the vice principal into some thorny shrubbery. He just could not catch a break ...

His little brother was kind of a brat, too.
 
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