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I'm trying to be as neutral as possible, i just want some things to come out that "they" forget to tell you about the school.

So i'm a second year and here is my review so far

Anatomy: amazing. They are very thorough and you will learn.

Bio-chem: i did fine, probably b/c i found it easy. But the department isn't stellar in any sense

Phys: They suck, is all i can say

Pharm: they are worse then phys. No sense of teaching, they probably wiki each class and list it out for you.

Path: they are straight to the point and don't BS around

OMM: there is a lot BSing around, but honestly i still love this class, b/c they love to teach and the subject itself is interesting. Also this school puts a great emphasis on OMT as well.

MSK: Dr. Habusta is awesome, even though he mumbles. I felt like i learned it well

Neuro anatomy: well done subject, anatomy department in general is awesome

Clinical neuro: will make you cry. Dr. Esper probably gets horrible reviews every year and yet is still there, probably b/c the school is to cheap to recruit someone better

Cardio: well done as well

H & P: well done (not stellar)

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School policies: quite lame in my opinion.
1. Dress up all the time (okay that's fine, most of us already know about that)
2. no internet in class (honestly?)
3. Exam can only be viewed ONE time after taken
can't write anything down while viewing your exam- b/c they recycle and so you have to store it in your memory to challenge it

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Steps: basically they will not let you take it if they don't think you will do well. This goes for the first two step's or comlex (I and PE)

You will loose your elective rotations if you can't pass your step 1

they will make you repeat your third year, if you don't pass two shelf exams in third year

This is how they "maintain" their "high" pass rates

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Rotation sites: they don't pay their hospitals at ALL. Their is no communication of any sort when it comes to rotations, it works only if YOU make it work. YOU have to do all the research

Rotation sites can be dropped and you won't find out until it's to late and then up in the middle of somewhere. Hopefully this happens to no one, but unfortunately this happens to at least 30 people every year.

<3.0 GPAs are limited to certain sites. They don't want to send you to the good hospitals, b/c you will ruin the schools name pretty much

<2.5 limited to certain group numbers and sites

<2.5 have to take summer prep course for the boards

<3.0 have to pass all shelf exams to be able to take the boards

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Again i'm not trying to bad mouth the school, that is in no way my intention. I just wanted to point out things i wish i would have known when i came in. You can still do well and get your competitive residencies, that's up to you and not up to the school.

If you are a rock star you will love it here, b/c they will give you all the privileges possible to promote the school.

Be forewarned that if you suck, there is no network of support of any sort (except your friends). The school will make sure to hide you in a dark corner so you can't make the school look bad.

DO NOT just look at how many people matched into certain specialties. When you have a class of 250 students (which is ridiculous). You are bound to match 10 in competitive residency, b/c at least 10 of them are really smart (this has nothing to do with the school providing you any help).

Good luck to all in pursuing your dreams. Med school sucks and i hate it everyday, hopefully rotations will be better (from what i heard they really are) and i still look forward to being a physician.
 
Thank you very much for the insight! It is greatly appreciated!
 
Agreed, great post. Very informative, honest, and unbiased. Thanks!

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lonewolf1513 said:
I'm trying to be as neutral as possible, i just want some things to come out that "they" forget to tell you about the school.

So i'm a second year and here is my review so far

Anatomy: amazing. They are very thorough and you will learn.

Bio-chem: i did fine, probably b/c i found it easy. But the department isn't stellar in any sense

Phys: They suck, is all i can say

Pharm: they are worse then phys. No sense of teaching, they probably wiki each class and list it out for you.

Path: they are straight to the point and don't BS around

OMM: there is a lot BSing around, but honestly i still love this class, b/c they love to teach and the subject itself is interesting. Also this school puts a great emphasis on OMT as well.

MSK: Dr. Habusta is awesome, even though he mumbles. I felt like i learned it well

Neuro anatomy: well done subject, anatomy department in general is awesome
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Anatomy and micro are the two best departments for sure

Clinical neuro: will make you cry. Dr. Esper probably gets horrible reviews every year and yet is still there, probably b/c the school is to cheap to recruit someone better
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Dr. Esper is actually a really good teacher and you will learn a lot if you pay attention and study hard. I liked him and I know other people who did as well

Cardio: well done as well

H & P: well done (not stellar)
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H&P is a good class for introduction to things but you learn most of it on rotations or at least get better at it on rotations

School policies: quite lame in my opinion.
1. Dress up all the time (okay that's fine, most of us already know about that)
2. no internet in class (honestly?)
3. Exam can only be viewed ONE time after taken
can't write anything down while viewing your exam- b/c they recycle and so you have to store it in your memory to challenge it
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No internet in class? Wasn't like that last year. Maybe they changed things for your class. You just can't get on certain sites (fb)

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Steps: basically they will not let you take it if they don't think you will do well. This goes for the first two step's or comlex (I and PE)

You will loose your elective rotations if you can't pass your step 1

they will make you repeat your third year, if you don't pass two shelf exams in third year

This is how they "maintain" their "high" pass rates
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Where are you getting your information from? You seem grossly misinformed on this. If you have a GPA less than a 2.5 you are put into a group that gives you the first month off rotations to study and take review classes. You still take the exam. If you fail, you are pulled off rotations to study and retake it. As far as the shelf exam part, if you fail 3 shelf exams you have to use the CCD month to study with faculty and take a practice exam. You do have to pass all the shelf exams before you can take Level 2 but that seems to be common sense why they do that.

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Rotation sites: they don't pay their hospitals at ALL. Their is no communication of any sort when it comes to rotations, it works only if YOU make it work. YOU have to do all the research

Rotation sites can be dropped and you won't find out until it's to late and then up in the middle of somewhere. Hopefully this happens to no one, but unfortunately this happens to at least 30 people every year.
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Rotations get dropped whenever. I know people who had rotations dropped before we even started rotations. They were given time to select a new one. If you had one dropped in third year, LECOM gave the students the opportunity to do it with a non-affiliate. So I guess some people could have ended up in the middle of nowhere if they chose that. Otherwise they could've gone just about anywhere.


<3.0 GPAs are limited to certain sites. They don't want to send you to the good hospitals, b/c you will ruin the schools name pretty much

<2.5 limited to certain group numbers and sites

<2.5 have to take summer prep course for the boards

<3.0 have to pass all shelf exams to be able to take the boards
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Please post your references for this. I have never heard the part about rotations being limited if you have <3.0. I know people who had <3.0 and they weren't told they couldn't rotate in certain hospitals. Again, EVERYONE has to pass the shelf exams to take Level 2. This is not unique to LECOM. Many MD schools make their students take shelf exams as well.
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Again i'm not trying to bad mouth the school, that is in no way my intention. I just wanted to point out things i wish i would have known when i came in.
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Sounds exactly like you are trying to badmouth the school. It seems you have no credible evidence for posting the "facts" you did other than you are probably just stressed out from second year.

You can still do well and get your competitive residencies, that's up to you and not up to the school.
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This is a true statement but it applies to every medical student in the entire US. Schools are not going to babysit and hold our hands and tell us things will be ok. They aren't gonna give you a ribbon for participation. You have to put forth the effort to get where you want.

If you are a rock star you will love it here, b/c they will give you all the privileges possible to promote the school.
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Are you referring to Dr. Mr. USA?

Be forewarned that if you suck, there is no network of support of any sort (except your friends). The school will make sure to hide you in a dark corner so you can't make the school look bad.

DO NOT just look at how many people matched into certain specialties. When you have a class of 250 students (which is ridiculous). You are bound to match 10 in competitive residency, b/c at least 10 of them are really smart (this has nothing to do with the school providing you any help).

Good luck to all in pursuing your dreams. Med school sucks and i hate it everyday, hopefully rotations will be better (from what i heard they really are) and i still look forward to being a physician.
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I wouldn't listen to the ranting and raving of a second year student when it comes to how rotations and board exams take place at LECOM unless they have personally done both. Talk to the third and fourth year students on here if you want better answers. LECOM is strict but we do well and in the end that's all that matters
 
LECOM (like most medical schools) provide the means to succeed, and it's up to the student to take what they're given and run with it. They don't coddle you, and it's true that if your performance is sub-par they mandate reviews/retakes, but the other side of that coin is dropping you like a bad habit and never looking back. Would you rather a school look at your 2.0 and give up on you, let you fail, and say "aw, to hell with em", or would you rather they do everything in their power to get you to the next level. Sure... some of that is motivated by a better pass-rate, but let's be honest, some schools take your semester tuition and let you fail. I'd rather the former.

Med school is what you make of it. I get what the OP is trying to offer up, and a fresh take is nice, but you need to look at the big picture. You pay $xxxxxx to become a doctor. This is an organization that, while full of quirks (as all schools are, I assure you), will bend over backward to get you to graduate (whether their reasons are benevolent or not).

Med school is hard. Suck it up, put your head down, and keep your legs movin'.

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first of all i'm not a stressed out 2nd year (we just started and i'm doing perfectly fine). Also i did fine last year as well, so i don't fall into either category. The issues i pointed out about the GPA are FACTS. That is happening right now. We were told about the <3.0 thing yesterday and our forms are due this friday (seems pretty ****ty to me). A lot my friends are now scrambling around to choose other sites, which if they had known earlier would have been okay. I"m okay w/ the <2.5 rule of choosing certain rotation group (b/c in the end you want to do well on your boards). All GPA things i pointed out are true, i don't really know how to reference it; but honestly why would i even lie about that? As for your POV on Dr. Esper, i would have to grossly disagree. We got screwed last year on that, maybe it was the horrible schedule of three tests a week (not all neuro) + 8 hours lecture + practicals outside of class, but that class blew, showing the poorest avg overall. Also yeah the internet policy is new. The third and fourth year rotation point comes from plenty of my friends who are in the same boat. Again i don't know how to reference that and i personally don't have the time to do a stat study on it. Again like i said i didn't mean to bad mouth the school, but the admin could use some serious improvement and transparency would be greatly appreciated. I just believe incoming students should know about these things before they apply.
 
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first of all i'm not a stressed out 2nd year (we just started and i'm doing perfectly fine). Also i did fine last year as well, so i don't fall into either category. The issues i pointed out about the GPA are FACTS. That is happening right now. We were told about the <3.0 thing yesterday and our forms are due this friday (seems pretty ****ty to me). A lot my friends are now scrambling around to choose other sites, which if they had known earlier would have been okay. I"m okay w/ the <2.5 rule of choosing certain rotation group (b/c in the end you want to do well on your boards). All GPA things i pointed out are true, i don't really know how to reference it; but honestly why would i even lie about that?
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Well if that's the case then I retract what I said and I agree it's crappy to limit people based off GPA. I can understand they don't want to lose rotation sites because of bad experiences from students but I think that's more due to personality conflicts rather than GPA. Just because a person has a high GPA doesn't mean they get along well with others.

As for your POV on Dr. Esper, i would have to grossly disagree. We got screwed last year on that, maybe it was the horrible schedule of three tests a week (not all neuro) + 8 hours lecture + practicals outside of class, but that class blew, showing the poorest avg overall.
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I'm not saying your view on Dr. Esper was wrong. I was just saying I thought he was a good teacher. As far as the exams and 8+ hours of lecture, well we had that too so you aren't gonna get sympathy from me on that. Actually, during cardio and GI we had a week in both where we had a systems test on Monday and Friday of the same week. I know your schedule is better.

Also yeah the internet policy is new.
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Well I'm not really surprised the internet policy changed but it sucks regardless. I never paid attention in class and always was playing games on the internet. I know people who watched movies in class. Without having internet, that makes for a very long day. I wouldn't be surprised if more people started skipping.

The third and fourth year rotation point comes from plenty of my friends who are in the same boat. Again i don't know how to reference that and i personally don't have the time to do a stat study on it.
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I'm telling you how shelf exams worked for my class and the class ahead of me. In fact if you look in the clinical rotations handbook, it says the same. I also am referencing emails I got from Clin Ed and from admin. Things change year to year so it may be different for your class. For my class, if you had a rotation dropped you can choose from non-affiliated sites.

I apologize for saying you are wrong about the GPA and rotations stuff since it wasn't like that for my class. It sucks your class is the guinea pig for it. I wonder if they are doing it also since the SH students are picking too. It was a big pain in the butt to deal with them when it came to picking sites.

The best way to ensure you get a good rotation site is to do a 13. Then you don't have to worry about sites being dropped.

Again like i said i didn't mean to bad mouth the school, but the admin could use some serious improvement and transparency would be greatly appreciated. I just believe incoming students should know about these things before they apply.
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At first it seemed like you were badmouthing the school but now I retract that statement. I don't understand the admin at LECOM and the things they do/say. I just have this philosophy of laying low, flying under the radar and if the higher ups don't know my name or who I am then I did a good job.
 
thats crazy about GPA requirements for rotations. GPA is a poor correlation for projected student performance on rotations. Plenty of people are good guessers on tests, and some people with below a GPA of x.x may be able to really apply what they know in a clinical situation.
 
Another fun fact. <3.0 means you can't choose any 13s. Also that's my philosophy as well, stay under the radar and get out of here. It just sucks b/c GPA doesn't mean anything, especially in multiple choice settings. Also we are supposedly being dropped by Hamot and St. Vincet, which the clinical ed department knows and don't want to tell us. The only way we found out was through people who work directly at the hospital. Also the reason we are being dropped is because the hospitals need money and LECOM does not pay. I'm just wondering what does the third and fourth year tuition go towards.... oh yeah a new dental school 😛
 
GREAT NEWS !!! They are allowing 13s to everyone... Thanks to Dr. Shabloski... to bad i chose Erie as my first choice to begin with 🙂 Regardless it's good news for a lot of people and i'm happy about that.
 
We have these hospitals which are designated as 13s. Basically you do all your rotations with them. Can be great b/c you don't have to move. Could be bad because does not allow flexibility and they choose your schedule.
 
lonewolf1513 said:
Another fun fact. <3.0 means you can't choose any 13s. Also that's my philosophy as well, stay under the radar and get out of here. It just sucks b/c GPA doesn't mean anything, especially in multiple choice settings. Also we are supposedly being dropped by Hamot and St. Vincet, which the clinical ed department knows and don't want to tell us. The only way we found out was through people who work directly at the hospital. Also the reason we are being dropped is because the hospitals need money and LECOM does not pay. I'm just wondering what does the third and fourth year tuition go towards.... oh yeah a new dental school 😛
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Yea I heard about Hamot being dropped since we don't pay for rotations. Again not surprised. Also, our money goes to things like a shiny new Wellness Center, Dental school, Coffee Culture, etc. Makes me glad I am in the Army so I don't have to worry about loans.
 
bleeker10 said:
Yea I heard about Hamot being dropped since we don't pay for rotations. Again not surprised. Also, our money goes to things like a shiny new Wellness Center, Dental school, Coffee Culture, etc. Makes me glad I am in the Army so I don't have to worry about loans.
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haaaaaaaate you :biglove:

We've all been fortunate with the '13's' so far. I haven't heard a single negative about any of them. UH, Wilson Memorial, Harrisburg, York, all VERY good 👍
 
I have an interview scheduled at LECOM - Erie...

Does anyone else have any thoughts on LECOM and living in Erie?
 
Another question while I'm at it...what do they do with you if you have to move to another city for say 4 weeks only? Do they put you up at a place to live? It seems like they'd have to because obviously you couldn't find housing for that short of time. Just wondering cause my wife is from Pittsburgh and we'd like to be there as much as possible 3rd and 4th year. I guess if I had to leave for a couple of rotations but could come back that wouldn't be to bad. I don't really get how this works.
 
Housing is hospital dependent. Some hospitals have dorm style housing. Others have a house which all students share. LECOM isn't gonna help you find housing. You just have to contact the hospital to find out if they have housing.

For 13s there weren't any in Pittsburgh in my class. The closest was Indiana, PA which is over an hour away. The other sites were York, Harrisburg, UH-13, Scranton, and Binghamton, NY.
 
SavoirFaire said:
I have an interview scheduled at LECOM - Erie...

Does anyone else have any thoughts on LECOM and living in Erie?
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I'm biased, but if you do PBL, LOVE it here. Couldn't imagine better schooling. Erie isnt a bad living situation either... beautiful bay area on lake erie, and cheap living. If you spend more than 10$ on a sat night, you over paid
 
The only thing that really concerns me is the hospitals dropping rotations. I feel that it is a slap in the face to the students, and they really should be protected from this and be assured that they'll get a good medical education.
 
Dubaifan490 said:
The only thing that really concerns me is the hospitals dropping rotations. I feel that it is a slap in the face to the students, and they really should be protected from this and be assured that they'll get a good medical education.
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Hey guys/gals

I interviewed at Bradenton and the rotation sites are chosen and arranged 100% by the student. This is actually why the school was my top choice, but I was waitlisted... I am wondering how many rotations at Erie or SH can be 'outside' the standard list? I'd really prefer to do as many as possible NOT in the area...

Also, any tips for my upcoming interview at Erie? They won't tell me why I was waitlisted at Bradenton, so I don't know if it is academic or personal...
 
SBB2016 said:
Hey guys/gals

I interviewed at Bradenton and the rotation sites are chosen and arranged 100% by the student. This is actually why the school was my top choice, but I was waitlisted... I am wondering how many rotations at Erie or SH can be 'outside' the standard list? I'd really prefer to do as many as possible NOT in the area...

Also, any tips for my upcoming interview at Erie? They won't tell me why I was waitlisted at Bradenton, so I don't know if it is academic or personal...
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Not any more. you have to stay in the lecom network(?) for your 3rd year rotations. But 4th year is up to you.
 
irJanus said:
LECOM (like most medical schools) provide the means to succeed, and it's up to the student to take what they're given and run with it. They don't coddle you, and it's true that if your performance is sub-par they mandate reviews/retakes, but the other side of that coin is dropping you like a bad habit and never looking back. Would you rather a school look at your 2.0 and give up on you, let you fail, and say "aw, to hell with em", or would you rather they do everything in their power to get you to the next level. Sure... some of that is motivated by a better pass-rate, but let's be honest, some schools take your semester tuition and let you fail. I'd rather the former.
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I'm not a MS student yet, but I really like this line of reasoning. Many, many graduate programs will fail you out in a heartbeat. It's nice to know that LECOM is reasonable.
 
gatorfann14 said:
Not any more. you have to stay in the lecom network(?) for your 3rd year rotations. But 4th year is up to you.
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They told us in the interview we could go wherever we wanted, it was just going to be up to us to get them lined up. Not sure if they were stretching, but that's what they said.
 
SBB2016 said:
They told us in the interview we could go wherever we wanted, it was just going to be up to us to get them lined up. Not sure if they were stretching, but that's what they said.
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The clinical dean told us in orientation that the 2nd yrs this year are the first class that won't have 3rd year open like in the past. A lot of my class was quite pissed when they told us. It personally doesn't change my so far amazing view of the school, but if being able to go wherever you want 3rd year is a huge deal to someone they should know.
 
Pittsburgh rotations are pretty much a lottery, since everyone wants to go there. There are no 13s there as mentioned. There are a lot of students at LECOM, so you are not always going to get into the "popular" places. PBL is awesome, if i had to choose again i would defintly do PBL. It's better because the school is not involved as heavily into your study habits and it's pretty much student oriented. LDP is tedious, i think i made a bad choice there. Oh well one more year and we are all the same field again. Erie is cheap and i like it over the summer, but man do i hate the winters... mostly due to the huge amount of snow. I personally don't like the admin, they are not transparent at all. Recently there was a mess up on my grade from test 2 and we are already done with test four. I was stupid to not save my previous e-mails. Not to say the mess up was malicious, but i have no proof of my grade from before. They apparently don't keep the old test question, i have no copy and etc, etc, etc... So learn from me and keep your test e-mails until the class is over. If you guys have any more questions, please feel free to e-mail me and again good luck.
 
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The clinical dean told us in orientation that the 2nd yrs this year are the first class that won't have 3rd year open like in the past. A lot of my class was quite pissed when they told us. It personally doesn't change my so far amazing view of the school, but if being able to go wherever you want 3rd year is a huge deal to someone they should know.
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I always thought students can either choose their vacation month OR the areas where they want to rotate?

Is that what has changed? Will a student who wants to be around Pennsylvania or New Jersey have to go to Indiana or Ohio instead, if that's what is decided?
 
there still are 13s, i just meant not in Pittsburgh.
 
Dubaifan490 said:
I always thought students can either choose their vacation month OR the areas where they want to rotate?

Is that what has changed? Will a student who wants to be around Pennsylvania or New Jersey have to go to Indiana or Ohio instead, if that's what is decided?
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I'm at bradenton so I'm not sure if this effects erie as well, but it was my understanding that you could schedule your 3rd year rotations pretty much wherever you wanted as long as you did the work, but now that not the case. You have to go to one of the affiliates.
 
How it's worked for my class is you can go somewhere but you have to get a memorandum of affiliation set up between the hospital and LECOM. The hospital has to be willing to take other LECOM students for rotations, not just you. It is a very tedious process which is why it doesn't happen often. If you want this to be an option, you should start working on it by the end of your first year and into the summer.

Caveat: This is how it worked in my class. I will defer to lonewolf to correct this if things have changed.

How rotation selection starts off is you rank either a location or a schedule/group number 1. If you rank a location, you then rank schedules/groups afterwards. You have to be willing to get any of your top 3 groups. It's up to the class president to figure out how to place people into groups. After you are put into the group (there are 13 different groups), you meet within your group to pick hospitals.

The main issue that occurred last year with people that picked a location was they didn't get to do all their rotations in that location. LECOM has a number of mandatories, which are hospitals that must be filled before people can select other hospitals. They include places like MCH, Clarion, Meadville, etc. I know people who selected Pittsburgh as their location but are doing most of their rotations elsewhere. The mandatories are supposed to be spread out evenly within the group. I think most people ended up having 3 mandatory spots. Also, if there are a number of people in your group that have the same location you have to work with them to figure out your spots. As you can see, it can be hard to get the spots you want. This is why 13's are so great.

Lastly, most medical students think that the bigger the hospital the better or if it is affiliated with UPMC or UH then they will get great clinical training. This isn't always the case. I know plenty of people that went to smaller hospitals and learned a ton and had a great experience. Just remember that if you go to a big hospital with a lot of residents and fellows, you will get less hands on work because most of the procedures or cool cases are taken by the residents. One team may have 3 or 4 residents and interns and 3-4 students. It will be hard to get that one on one experience you may need. I went to a smaller (relatively speaking) hospital and I was the only student my first two months of IM working with 3-4 residents. I got to pick and choose which patients I followed and I got a lot of one on one teaching.
 
Dubaifan490 said:
I always thought students can either choose their vacation month OR the areas where they want to rotate?

Is that what has changed? Will a student who wants to be around Pennsylvania or New Jersey have to go to Indiana or Ohio instead, if that's what is decided?
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If you wanna be around PA then you should have no problem. You just may travel a lot around the state. I don't know if we have any affiliates in NJ. Most of the OH spots are in the very eastern part of the state. I know someone who started in Cleveland then went to Clarion and then to WV in a span of 3 months. If you want to drive a lot and travel then it's a good option for you.
 
bleeker10 is completely right and it's exactly the same this year as well. Again though LECOMs i'm not gonna pay policy bites students in the ass. This year being Hamot and St. Vincent. Do any of guys know how to attach a file to the post, i would like to share our current rotation sites and schedule with everyone.
 
lonewolf1513 said:
bleeker10 is completely right and it's exactly the same this year as well. Again though LECOMs i'm not gonna pay policy bites students in the ass. This year being Hamot and St. Vincent. Do any of guys know how to attach a file to the post, i would like to share our current rotation sites and schedule with everyone.
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Scroll down to Additional Options when making a reply, and click "Manage Attachments", then find the file and attach it.
 
bleeker10 said:
Rotations get dropped whenever. I know people who had rotations dropped before we even started rotations. They were given time to select a new one. If you had one dropped in third year, LECOM gave the students the opportunity to do it with a non-affiliate. So I guess some people could have ended up in the middle of nowhere if they chose that. Otherwise they could've gone just about anywhere.
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So you're saying that if a rotation gets dropped, then students will always be able to find another one and do that?
 
JESSFALLING said:
I'm not a MS student yet, but I really like this line of reasoning. Many, many graduate programs will fail you out in a heartbeat. It's nice to know that LECOM is reasonable.
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just gonna point out, there are almost no medical schools that will fail you out unless you completely burn every bridge out there (or you want to). Because of the nature of how hard it is to increase medical training (yes even at the med school level) by even a few people, they do not let students they've invested time in fail out.

This is only true for american medical schools though. Offshores vary on this.
 
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So you're saying that if a rotation gets dropped, then students will always be able to find another one and do that?
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Yea you aren't gonna lose a month of rotations. At first, LECOM will give you a list of sites available to fill your spot. If that doesn't work, they were giving students the opportunity to find their own spots
 
about LECOM's "don't pay" policy....how long has this been the case? sounds fishy to me.....
 
as long as I know: but I take it as a testament of how well LECOM students perform on rotations... sure, some get dropped for one reason or another, but students must be pretty good for the hospital to keep a rotation relationship without getting money for it.
 
Futureofyourtv said:
about LECOM's "don't pay" policy....how long has this been the case? sounds fishy to me.....
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US medical schools generally don't pay for rotations AFAIK. I recall an article last December about NY medical school deans who were about to revolt against Caribbean medical schools paying NYC hospitals to rotate their students.

It was apparent that the NY med schools weren't paying for the rotations.
 
Dubaifan490 said:
US medical schools generally don't pay for rotations AFAIK. I recall an article last December about NY medical school deans who were about to revolt against Caribbean medical schools paying NYC hospitals to rotate their students.

It was apparent that the NY med schools weren't paying for the rotations.
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That is correct. Most U.S. medical schools pay little or nothing. SGU pays NY hospitals $23 million according to the article:
http://chronicle.com/article/Students-From-Caribbean-Med/125681/
http://www.buffalo.edu/news/pdf/July08/NewsdayNielsenClinicalRotations.pdf
 
Dubaifan490 said:
US medical schools generally don't pay for rotations AFAIK. I recall an article last December about NY medical school deans who were about to revolt against Caribbean medical schools paying NYC hospitals to rotate their students.

It was apparent that the NY med schools weren't paying for the rotations.
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Pretty much all schools pay their clinical sites. That includes the ny ones. The issue is that the education money is significantly smaller (but usually there is some) and is tied up in various ways between direct physician payments, teaching positions and direct payment to the hospital. All f these (especially the direct hospital payments) have strings attached as to how it may be spent and is dependant on jumping through paperwork hoops that are occasionally not wrth the effort.

The offshore schools did a few things different. The money was 5-10 times more per student than ny schools offered, it was carte Blanche money for any use the hospital wanted and it was (to a certain extent) assured regardless of how many students actually trained at each facility, as long as all the students were trained somewhere in the system.

There are other issues of monopoly, stealing spots, ethics, and favoritism but they aren't related dirctly to how much is paid and how. (what this convo is about)
 
Does anyone know how PBL works at LECOM? Do PBL students take anatomy with LDP and ISP students or are they separate?
 
The "Class" portion of anatomy exams are the same for all pathways. It's up to the PBL kids if they want to show up for the lectures, i wouldn't recommend it personally. PBL does not take "lab", they have their own pic "lab" where they look at images on the CD. Embryo and histology is taken together by all pathways as well. Then we all go our separate ways.
 
lonewolf1513 said:
The "Class" portion of anatomy exams are the same for all pathways. It's up to the PBL kids if they want to show up for the lectures, i wouldn't recommend it personally. PBL does not take "lab", they have their own pic "lab" where they look at images on the CD. Embryo and histology is taken together by all pathways as well. Then we all go our separate ways.
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Thanks for the info. How do the PBL students study for anatomy if they aren't obligated to go to lecture? Do they study anatomy in their PBL groups?
 
Pictures on a CD? Really?
Is this for gross anatomy lab too?
 
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