To apply on Sept 15 with borderline Step 1 (pass on 2nd attempt) or wait?

This forum made possible through the generous support of SDN members, donors, and sponsors. Thank you.

dbg3214

Full Member
10+ Year Member
Joined
Aug 14, 2012
Messages
15
Reaction score
0
Points
0
  1. MD/PhD Student
Advertisement - Members don't see this ad
Hey everyone. Simply wondering if its a good idea to send out apps on Sep 15 despite a borderline pass at 188 on 2nd attempt? or Better to wait for CK score to come in early october and then apply. CS Pass.
Applying for Family/IM/Peds.
Also, - couples matching
Will appreciate your input and guidance.

Thanks
 
Hey everyone. Simply wondering if its a good idea to send out apps on Sep 15 despite a borderline pass at 188 on 2nd attempt? or Better to wait for CK score to come in early october and then apply. CS Pass.
Applying for Family/IM/Peds.
Also, - couples matching
Will appreciate your input and guidance.

Thanks

How does the rest of your app look? Strong LOR? Clinical Grades?

I would say it totally depends on how all that looks.
 
P.S.: Also not sure about the rules of couples matching...does that only have to do with the NRMP or is ERAS involved in that somehow?
 
Thx for ur reply. HIgh Honours for mostly all clinicals so far and excellent LORs except 1 maybe. I think couples match has to do with NRMP. Also - I will be a caribbean grad though (Img)
 
I would appreciate if someone else can also chime in and guide.
 
I don't think there's an easy answer. This has been asked before.

Some programs will reject you because of your fail / barely passing Step 1 regardless of your step 2. For programs like this, the outcome is the same whether you apply early or late.

Some programs will filter applications until both Step 1 and Step 2 scores are available. IN that case, it also doesn't matter what you do. Your application won't be reviewed until you have a Step 2 score, and so whether you apply now or later is the same.

Some programs may review applications as they come in. They would look at your app including your STep 1, and your pending Step 2 score. [Note: it's not clear that programs will know you have a pending score. This year you don't get to self report your Step exam schedule dates, they come automatically from your USMLE transcript. Not clear whether that includes upcoming scores]. Plus, they would review the rest of your application. Then, they could A) reject you, B) interview you, or C) wait for your Step 2.

In options B and C, there's again no difference applying before or after Step 2.

So, the only option where this matters at all are programs that review applications on a rolling basis, review IMG apps with only a step 1 score, will reject you because of that score, and would consider interviewing you if you get a much better Step 2 score. No one can tell you how many programs like this there are.

So, in the end, you'll just need to choose what to do. Or, you can split the difference and apply to half of your programs early, and half after Step 2. If you do that, randomize and see if SDN will publish your results!
 
I appreciate that. 50now/50later sounds reasonable with my given situation. Thx again.
 
On the same topic of applying early or late,

I am an IMG who has completed all my steps and requirements for the ECFMG, but the only thing which I need to wait for is my degree (which will come in mid september) - before I can begin the process to obtain ECFMG certification.

I was wondering if I should apply to programs on Sept 15th (without ECFMG certification), or around October 5-10th (with ECFMG certification). Which option will be better?
 
On the same topic of applying early or late,

I am an IMG who has completed all my steps and requirements for the ECFMG, but the only thing which I need to wait for is my degree (which will come in mid september) - before I can begin the process to obtain ECFMG certification.

I was wondering if I should apply to programs on Sept 15th (without ECFMG certification), or around October 5-10th (with ECFMG certification). Which option will be better?
Apply early. Programs will see that the only thing you're missing is your degree, and your dates of attendance will be on your CV. Once you get your ECFMG cert, you can update your application (it's part of your profile which you can change at any time)
 
I did notice that there are some program's which state on their website "ECFMG Certification Required". For these programs, any harm to apply early as well?

When you face an application which is incomplete, what happens to it?
 
Advertisement - Members don't see this ad
If a program decides that ECFMG certification is absolutely necessary, then they will create a filter that says "show me all IMG's that are ECFMG certified". If you're not ECFMG certified, then your application simply won't appear. It will sit there, doing nothing, until you become ECFMG certified. Once that happens, and the program downloads that information, then your application will show up to be reviewed.
 
If a program decides that ECFMG certification is absolutely necessary, then they will create a filter that says "show me all IMG's that are ECFMG certified". If you're not ECFMG certified, then your application simply won't appear. It will sit there, doing nothing, until you become ECFMG certified. Once that happens, and the program downloads that information, then your application will show up to be reviewed.
Sort of unfair for the IMG who hasn't graduated yet no?

Shux. I thought what they really meant was "ECFMG VERIFIED" as in Step 1/2/CS finished, and will becoming CERTIFIED before July 1st (or before start of residency).
 
Sort of unfair for the IMG who hasn't graduated yet no?

Shux. I thought what they really meant was "ECFMG VERIFIED" as in Step 1/2/CS finished, and will becoming CERTIFIED before July 1st (or before start of residency).

Most programs who say they require "ECFMG Certified" actually mean "Eligible" which is basically "all but diploma."

Programs that actually require ECFMG Certification are doing so to weed out the Carib kids.
 
Top Bottom